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Trump's Remarks about Judge Examined; Interview with Man Who Attacked Daughter's Killer in Courtroom; Police Officer Honored for Bravery; Interview with Comedian Quincy Jones. Aired 3:30-4p ET

Aired June 03, 2016 - 15:30   ET

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[15:31:29] BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN HOST: We're back at the bottom of the hour, you're watching CNN. And I'm Brooke Baldwin. Just one day, one day after endorsing Donald Trump for president, House Speaker Paul Ryan is already saying Trump was wrong for criticizing the federal judge overseeing the lawsuit against the now defunct Trump University. Speaker Ryan's endorsement has not been without the chair critics including one of our next guests, Christian Schneider says that speaker Ryan fell for Trump's con job as he put it. Christian is a columnist with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Also with me, he is back, he is Kevin Sheridan, the former senior adviser for Romney's presidential campaign, former spokesman for the Republican National Committee. Good to see both of you. And Kevin, just out of the game for you, I mean you've worked with then Congressman Ryan. I mean, one day. One day after this endorsement, you know, he's having to talk about and call out essentially these controversial comments that Mr. Trump made. He's saying that they were wrong. It seems to me like this might be a problem going forward, no?

CHRISTIAN SCHNEIDER, MILWAUKEE JOURNAL SENTINEL COLUMNIST: Well, I think he said that in his decision yesterday to say that he's going to vote for Donald Trump and not oppose him as our nominee. That's who the Republican voters selected as our nominee. I don't think he was Paul Ryan's first choice. I think he would admit that. But look, he's going to focus on areas of common ground and I think rather than differences between the two. And Paul Ryan's got a very serious domestic policy agenda that he's put forward today, a better way. And he's going to focus on that. Poverty...

BALDWIN: OK, OK but hang on. But every time, any time Mr. Trump says anything that can be perceived as controversial and Speaker Ryan has asked about it, is this what the next couple of months might look like?

SCHNEIDER: Well, maybe. And he left himself open to point out differences when he has them. I think he's going to consistently have issues with tone if Donald Trump continues to campaign this way. So I wouldn't be surprised if he continues to point those things out where they differ. But Paul Ryan is not going to stop being Paul Ryan. He's going to still say what he believes in and, you know, so you may hear him criticize him from time to time. But overall, I think he wants to support him.

BALDWIN: Christian, you say you are disappointed. Tell me why.

SCHNEIDER: Well, I've -- let me be clear. The Republican Party has nothing better going for it right now than Paul Ryan and it has been for years. That's why they keep giving him jobs that he doesn't want. But that's what makes this so much more disappointing, the fact that you know, Donald Trump doesn't stand for any of the things that Paul Ryan stands for, whether it's you know, social security or taxes or immigration or any of that stuff. And so, as you just said before, the thing that comes up today where Ryan is talking about, you know, Trump calling the judge Mexican. I mean, once you buy Trump, you'd buy the whole thing. It's not like you can say, well, I endorse him except for this, this and this. You've kind of taken it on -- take it on a whole hog I think.

BALDWIN: What about just even, Kevin, the way in which speaker Ryan endorsed him? I mean, I know you weren't in on the inner workings of how this would go down, but the fact that it was the Janesville Gazette, his hometown you know, smaller paper, right of course as Secretary Clinton is giving her big national security speech in San Diego. Why do you think he did it that way?

KEVIN SHERIDAN, FORMER SPOKESPERSON FOR REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE: I will leave that to others to make the judgment.

BALDWIN: OK

SHERIDAN: But I think it's pretty clear that Paul Ryan, this is not his first choice for the nominee of the Republican Party. But look, the Republican voters have spoken. It's important that we listen to them. The Republican Party has changed in a lot of ways. It's critical that we hear that segment of the party that is saying that. That said, Paul Ryan's going to continue to put out his agenda, positive as optimistic, conservative agenda. And he's going to fight for it and his members are going to run their own races and Donald Trump is going to run his.

[15:35:15] BALDWIN: OK. Final question to you, Christian. As a newspaper columnist, you know, we're reading in the San Diego Tribune saying that they're essentially asking voters next Tuesday for the primary there to write in Ronald Reagan. Do you see that?

SCHNEIDER: I did not see that but yeah, it makes sense.

BALDWIN: Makes sense, he says.

SCHNEIDER: Yeas I mean, no.

BALDWIN: Go ahead. Go ahead.

SCHNEIDER: OK. You know, I think the best thing that could happen for the party right now would be there, for there to be a solid conservative Republican out there that at least gets people out to the poles. Because I think a lot of the people are just going to stay home if Trump's the nominee. I mean, we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg with regard to, you know, all the stuff that he's going to throw out there the next few months. And so, I just don't want people to stay home and I think it'll help Paul Ryan's caucus and I think it will help the senate for other people to show that's to run on it.

BALDWIN: Christian Schneider and Kevin Sheridan, thank you both very much. And coming up, we're going to talk to this father here, a tremendous video of this father just lunging toward his daughter's killer in this courtroom. He will join me live to talk to me about what exactly happened moments before this, what led him to do this. His reaction also to the punishment handed down by the judge.

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[15:40:56] BALDWIN: My goodness, I wanted to share this with you today. This father, sitting in the courtroom, his daughter's killer sitting just across from him and for weeks as this trial is unfolding, the father holds his composure until something unthinkable happens, the killer smirks, a moment too unbearable for this grieving man.

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BALDWIN: In case you missed it, I just want to replay a portion of the video just to show you that the killer continues to smile. This man is sentenced to death for killing three people. Here it was. A father who simply could not take it any longer as Van Terry, he joins me now. Mr. Terry, I am so sorry for the loss of your daughter but I really appreciate the time today. Thank you, sir.

VAN TERRY: Thank you. I appreciate you, as well.

BALDWIN: My goodness. Watching that video, I've seen it probably six times today. Why did you do that?

TERRY: I don't recall doing it. It was an instance of grieving and I just snapped as I was talking.

BALDWIN: So you were talking because you were up there speaking? You were giving what, what they call a victim impact statement? And so, how far from him were you?

TERRY: I must say, anywhere from 10, maybe 15 feet.

BALDWIN: Did you look him in the eye?

TERRY: Well that's what I was trying to do because I wanted to get some -- see the person who hurt my daughter. When I turned around and look at him, he put that grin, I lost my mind.

BALDWIN: He grinned at you?

TERRY: Yes, he did.

BALDWIN: And so, the man who murdered your daughter dares to grin at you and then you -- you snapped. You leapt. What did you hope to do?

TERRY: Actually I wanted to break his jaw. Get that grin off his face. If it were being honest.

BALDWIN: We are being honest. We are being honest. I know that a lot of people talk about forgiveness when they sit up there in cases like this. Where are you? Right, how are you feeling?

TERRY: Well, forgiveness is not for the person. Forgiveness is for you. Because you're forced to forgive that person so they don't occupy so much time in your heart, time and your mind. So you forgive that person and then you move on with your life. But right now, it's still too hard for me. It's been three years. It's still too hard for me to do that.

BADLWIN: I know that he was sentenced to death. How do you feel about that? Is that what you were wanting?

TERRY: Well, in Ohio, it's going to take a while for him to die. If he was dying today, yeah, I would want that. But it's going to take a while for him to die. He has the right to appeal it. He can go through all the paper work and the process and this is going to take a while. So we got to wait for all that to go around, what, 10 years? That takes too long. We got to pay for that. Well, that's not right.

BALDWIN: There was a talk of potentially you even facing charges for wanting, I'm sure as a lot fathers in your shoes would have wanted to do, break his jaw, do you know if that's on the table or no?

TERRY: I wasn't totally thinking about the charges. They took my name down, off my ID but they didn't say anything about charges. And if charges are be -- are come out of it, I'll face it when I face it. I'm not going to question or stress about it.

BALDWIN: Can we, can we end this conversation, not talking about the man sitting across from you, but talking about your daughter? Can you tell me about her?

[15:45:01] TERRY: Shirellda was my angel. While everybody called her Shirellda, I called her heaven.

BALDWIN: Why is that?

TERRY: I call my kids according to how they act. And that's my heaven. So to me, he took mine. She's a praise dancer. She's a holy person. She's heading into the churches. She's my reader, my bookworm.

BALDWIN: She was 18. You say every day, you feel tough, three years later. What do you miss most about her?

TERRY: Her hugs. Most common -- most folks know her as, call her hugzilla. Because every time she sees, she want to hug you. She stayed on my arm so, that's what I miss about her.

BADLWIN: Van Terry, thank you for the time. No. Forgive me for cutting you off. Go ahead.

TERRY: Well no. I would at work, I would have to pull her off of my shoulder just so I can work. And when she come by to my shop, she's holding on to me the whole time. Oh God, I miss that.

BALDWIN: So sweet. That is so sweet. I think a lot of parents are watching and thinking they would have done that exact same thing had they been in your shoes in that courtroom. Thank you. And again, I am so sorry.

TERRY: I thank you. No problem. You have a blessed one.

BALDWIN: You, too, sir. We'll be right back.

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[15:50:22] BALDWIN: An officer faces an impossible situation. A little girl held at knifepoint. The hostage taker refusing to budge. The officer's quick thinking and bravery now earning him the medal of valor presented by President Obama.

ZOE: He's my super hero.

DAVID HUFF, POLICE OFFICER: Aw, thank you sweetheart. That is so sweet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why do you say that?

ZOE: Because he saved me and he saved the day.

HUFF: Wow.

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: David Huff hasn't seen Zoe kidding in three years.

HUFF: Thank you. Thank you so much.

LAVANDERA: The day they met was captured by surveillance cameras in this Oklahoma grocery store. A man named Sammy Wallace had snatched 2-year-old Zoe from her mom's shopping cart.

ZOE'S MOTHER: I started screaming, somebody please help. This man has my baby.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is 911. How can I help you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We need police here immediately.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's someone with a knife holding a little girl hostage.

LAVANDERA: Within minutes, Midwest City police officers, David Huff and Darryl Miller calmly walked in to this frantic scene.

HUFF: He was in this manic state where he was basically just blurting out statements.

LAVANDERA: Huff and Miller were trained hostage negotiators. The next 34 minutes and saving Zoe would be the ultimate test.

HUFF: I said, Sammy, look. That's why she's not scared of you. She's not even crying.

LAVANDERA: Then Wallace threatens to kill Zoe and starts counting down from 60.

HUFF: And the only way I know that Zoe is not going to be in danger, when the shots fired, is if the barrel of my gun is touching his head. He got down to five, then I took -- In that moment, I had to take one large step and had to do it.

LAVANDERA: Wallace collapses but watch Huff's reaction.

HUFF: I was angry that he made me do it and at that point, I thought that Zoe had already been cut or stabbed and that I waited too long. But yeah, finally my team having said, she don't have a scratch on her, you know. That was the best part.

ZOE: He's my superhero.

HUFF: You are the sweetest thing.

LAVANDERA: David Huff is proof, not every superhero wears as cape. This is Ed Lavandera, CNN, Oklahoma City.

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[15:55:27] BALDWIN: I've been waiting all week to talk to this guy. I wanted to end the week with a little inspiration. Quincy Jones -- no, not that Quincy Jones, not the legendary music producer but a young comedian. He was diagnosed with stage 4 terminal cancer late last year and his doctor gave him about a year to live. But Quincy is facing the news with courage and definitely have to do this with humor. Instead of just giving up in Seattle, he have decided to live, pursue his dream, an HBO comedy special two months ago, got his wish.

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QUINCY JONES, COMEDIAN: I believe that if you put good out there with no expectations, it's going to come back. You just can't expect it to. It doesn't cost you anything to be a decent human being. It doesn't take any skin off your back, whether it's in traffic, let the person (inaudible) gang whatever. It doesn't matter. We're still in traffic.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stand by.

JONES: And what cancer does, it changes your perspective of things.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ladies and gentlemen, it's my honor, it's my pleasure to bring to the stage, Quincy Jones!

JONES: I thought that cancer was cool, now it gets me two cards. I could play them like the race card and the cancer card. And that's blackjack.

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BALDWIN: That was special they serve last night and here is with me live, Quincy Jones. Thank you so much for being here. And I know I'm sure your special was awesome last night. And you've said comedy saved your life. How do you mean?

JONES: True. I mean, I feel like it was my ability to like, I love performing. I love the whole process of comedy from the idea to taking the idea on to the stage and then crafting it through repetition and then it becomes funny 90% of the time. I love that. That's my favorite thing. And so for me to be able to like make people laugh and spread joy, I think that helped the -- I think that's helping in my diagnosis with cancer.

BALDWIN: So a doctor says to you, what was this, 2015, that you have essentially a year? How do you, for so many people out there and especially watching with cancer, how do you laugh about that?

JONES: Because you -- only you know your body better than anybody else. All doctors are people who have more student loan debt and they read more books than you. You know, so what you have to do is make a mental determination. That's what I did. I heard what the doctor said and I was like you know what, if this is a crap shoot, I think I can win the crap shoot. So I don't think I'm going to die on August 6th, 2016. So, we're going to do whatever we need to do. I know it was a doctor determination and that was maybe be like, OK, if I'm going to do chemo, I'm going to juice. I got to do yoga. I got to do whatever it takes for me to live longer and that's what I did.

BALDWIN: What does "burning the light," the show's title, the HBO show Burning the Light. What does that mean?

JONES: Burning the Light is a comedic reference to when you're on stage, you get a certain amount of time. You know, the host gets ten minutes, the feature gets 15 to 30 minutes, the headliner gets 45 to an hour and then you get a light and the light means to wrap it up. So when the doctor said I had a year to live last year, that was like me getting a light. And so burning the light is me going longer than I have. I'm going to live longer than a year and so. That's what burning the light means. That's why we chose that title.

BALDWIN: So in my-- I love it. And I'm going to get the light about 60, 60 seconds, the literal light. So in my 60 seconds what else, what's on your bucket list? How do you, how do you figure out how you want to live?

JONES: You determine your life. You dictate and take control of your life. So for me, I've done an HBO special, I'd love to do another HBO special. I'm working on one material right now.

BALDWIN: HBO, if you're listening.

JONES: Yes, shout out to HBO. You know, I'd like to do another special maybe in about a year. I'd like to tour, maybe travel, you know, eat more good food, drink good drinks. Hang out with you one day. I don't know. I got options.

BALWIN: Bring it on. I'm right here in New York City. I just was so inspired by that piece in "L.A. times," I had to have you on. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

JONES: I'll be there. I'll be in New York. I'll be in New York at the end of this month.

BALDWIN: Boom. Then we'll make it happen. Again, HBO, "Burning the Light," we will see one another. Thank you so much. I really appreciate your story and laughter is everything. Quincy Jones, thank you and thank you all for watching me. Have a wonderful weekend. We'll keep it right here big, big interviews. Coming up next on the lead, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump with Jake Tapper, The Lead starts right now.