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Aired June 07, 2016 - 10:00   ET

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[10:00:05] CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: And good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thank you so much for joining me.

Allow me to take you out to Washington, D.C., to Anacostia. The Republicans are kicking off a series of policy rollouts and they're starting right here at drug treatment and rehab center for those struggling with alcohol and drug addiction. This is in a predominantly African-American neighborhood and the Republicans are rolling out how they'll fight poverty. The House Speaker Paul Ryan spearheading this effort, you see him standing there behind the speaker right now.

We expect Paul Ryan to take to the podium and the microphone and reporters will start asking him questions, and you can bet some of those questions will have to do with one Donald Trump. When Paul Ryan gets behind that microphone, we'll take you back live out to Anacostia.

But first this morning, the general election showdown between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is now set. CNN has confirmed that Clinton has secured enough superdelegates to win the Democratic nomination next month. Still, the presumptive nominee is being cautious as six states head to the polls today and the final Super Tuesday of the primary calendar.

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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: According to the news, we are on the brink of a historic, historic, unprecedented moment.

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COSTELLO: Mrs. Clinton now facing the big task of bringing Democrats together as Bernie Sanders' teams slam what it calls the media's rush to judgment. The fractures the Democratic Party mirroring the move for Republicans who are scrambling as outrage grows from Donald Trump's attacks on a federal judge.

CNN is tracking all aspects of these stories. We begin with senior Washington correspondent Jim Acosta. He's at Trump Tower here in New York.

Good morning, Jim.

JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Carol. That's right. Concerns inside the Republican Party are building, no doubt about it. We can tell from talking to a GOP source earlier this morning that RNC chair Reince Priebus has had a conversation with the presumptive GOP nominee about his remarks, about U.S. federal judge Gonzalo Curiel, all about that Trump University case.

Of course, Trump in recent days has questioned Judge Curiel's capacity to fairly adjudicate that case because of his Mexican American heritage. And Reince Priebus' conversation with Trump follows just a very long list of prominent Republicans who have come out and basically slammed their own presumptive nominee for what he has had to say about Judge Curiel.

Now as you mentioned, Carol, House Speaker Paul Ryan is about to deliver remarks there in Washington about his poverty plan. It is a plan, according to his aides, that will try to attack poverty, they say, at its roots, but there are certain proposals in there that will I think grab people's attention. He wants to attach new work requirements to certain welfare programs and so on. And so this is really right out of Paul Ryan's policy playbook.

He wants to try to make the Republican Party, as he calls it, a proposition party, not the opposition party, and this is another example of that. He wants the Republican Party to be about policy proposals that might appeal to minority communities, but at the same time, Carol, he is having to deal with the 800-pound gorilla in the room, and that is Donald Trump. Donald Trump is sucking up all the oxygen right now making it difficult for people like Paul Ryan to get their policy proposals out there, and from what I understand talking to people on his staff, the speaker is expected to come out and take questions and I think you can guarantee, Carol, those questions by and large will be about Donald Trump -- Carol.

COSTELLO: All right. Jim Acosta reporting live from Trump Tower this morning.

With me now to talk about all this, Ana Navarro, CNN political commentator, and Jeffrey Lord, a Trump supporter.

Welcome to you both.

JEFFREY LORD, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Good morning, Carol.

COSTELLO: Good morning. So, Jeffrey, I will start with you. So here's Paul Ryan trying to sell his policies to fight poverty in an African-American community, and now he has to answer questions about Donald Trump questioning the ethnicity of a federal judge. Your thoughts?

LORD: Yes. It's come to my attention this morning -- I mean, the judge should be out of this case. What Donald Trump is doing is calling out the identity politics here that are involved in the American judiciary and, frankly, in the larger society, and it's come to my attention here that the judge belongs to the Hispanic National Bar Association and on July 2nd, 2015 that group issued a --

COSTELLO: Jeffrey. Jeffrey, I know you want to go down this road but tell me one case, one case that you know of --

LORD: Wait, wait, Carol --

COSTELLO: -- in which Judge Curiel ruled in the favor of someone of Mexican heritage.

LORD: Carol, I want to say this. The judge belongs to a group that called for a boycott of all Trump properties in July of 2015. He should not be, you know, participating in any case that has to do with Donald Trump. He is self-evident --

COSTELLO: Then why isn't Trump's lawyers filing a motion so this judge is recused?

[10:05:01] LORD: You would have to -- you would have to ask them, but this goes to the larger issue that there's no place for race in the American judiciary. None, none. As President Kennedy said there is no place in American life or law for race. That is right. That is correct. The Constitution is color blind as Robert Kennedy also said. That's what this is about.

COSTELLO: I would have to absolutely agree with you there.

Ana, do you want to respond?

ANA NAVARRO, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: No, but I guess I must. Look, you know, this is really just a ridiculous going around in circles, and I get why Jeffrey, you know, a white man, might not understand why somebody might belong to a bar association, to a medical association that is, you know, a nationality driven one. I can tell you that people like Samuel Alito, people like Antonin Scalia, received awards, are very supportive of organizations like the National Italian-American Foundation.

A lot of times these foundations, these bar associations, are about networking, are about giving scholarships to similarly situated people like you were once, and are about making sure that there are fair hires in large law firms, at government levels. There are many, many reasons why these organizations exist, and if this is what Donald Trump's issue is with the judge, that he belonged to a Latino organization, then he should say that as opposed to saying he is a Mexican, and I am building a wall, or saying a Muslim may not be able to be fair either, or saying, hey, look at my African-American over there.

It's been a long time since indentured servitude has been illegal in the United States and it is time after time that we hear Donald Trump using racially insensitive language. It is he who is injecting this divisive language into this debate, into this campaign. I'm not hearing from anybody else, and believe you me, Jeffrey, I'd rather be on here talking just about any other subject, jobs, national security, health care.

LORD: Me too. Me too.

NAVARRO: But it is Donald Trump who refuses to talk about policy and what he does is he's delving deeper and deeper into this racial division.

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NAVARRO: You know what, I am in pain for Paul Ryan who really wants to move a constructive agenda and is now burdened by having to justify the venom spewed by Donald Trump.

COSTELLO: And, Jeffrey, I'm just going to give you --

LORD: You have to have a national conversation --

COSTELLO: Let's talk in practical matters. I want to talk in practical matters for just a second. Because John King broke down the numbers on Hispanic support for Donald Trump who keeps saying that he will make Hispanics love him but the numbers certainly don't bear that out.

And I want us to put up this graphic that we have that John King uncovered. This is according to a "Washington Post" -- I'm sorry, an NBC-"Wall Street Journal" poll. There is a 48-point gap between Democrats and Republicans when it comes to Hispanic support. Donald Trump garners only 20 percent support among Hispanic voters.

The last time a Republican won the presidency was in 2004. Back then Hispanic support for the Republican candidate was 44 percent. This is important because Hispanics represent 12 percent of the national electorate. So wasn't this a dreadful mistake on Donald Trump's part? Because this is not making Hispanics happy.

LORD: The very first thing that everybody in America of all races should want is a color blind country. We are not white. We are not Hispanic. We are not black. We are Americans. America is built on ideas. That's what this is about.

COSTELLO: No, it's not.

LORD: And Donald Trump -- we should be going -- what do you mean it's not? Of course he's --

COSTELLO: How is that about? By saying a judge cannot make a fair decision because he's Mexican, how is that about --

LORD: Carol. Carol -- Carol, let us recall that Justice Sotomayor said she would make a better justice because she was a, quote-unquote, "wise Latino."

COSTELLO: We're not talking about Judge Sotomayor.

LORD: This is about racializing the court. This is what -- it's not just the court. It's all of society. We're all supposed to, you know, choose up sides based on color and it's morally wrong, Carol. We left the slavery and segregation days behind and they want to keep going with this. I say it's wrong --

COSTELLO: So why -- how is Donald Trump not choosing up sides on color by his remarks about Judge Curiel? NAVARRO: He is calling out the judge because the judge has chosen up

sides. The judge has -- he belongs to this group.

COSTELLO: Not because he's Mexican.

LORD: He's boycotting Trump properties. I mean, there's that --

COSTELLO: We have new information on that Trump properties and I have to get it right because I have to concentrate on what my EP is telling me in my ears.

LORD: OK.

COSTELLO: So, Ana, could you please respond to Jeffrey while I get the factual elements of this argument?

NAVARRO: I just think that this idea that the law should be color blind is absolutely correct, and I think that whether you are the child of Italian immigrants like Antonin Scalia was, or you are the child of Mexican immigrants, or you were born in Nicaragua like I am and have a law degree, you are capable of being color blind.

[10:10:10] It does not affect your qualifications and your ability to adhere to the Constitution, to adhere to your responsibilities as an officer of the court, and that is what Donald Trump is saying.

COSTELLO: OK. I'm going to have to --

NAVARRO: And what he's doing here is just very visible.

COSTELLO: I'm going to have stop this discussion right now.

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NAVARRO: The scam he was running with Trump University.

COSTELLO: We're going to continue this right after we listen to Paul Ryan. Let's listen.

REP. PAUL RYAN (R), HOUSE SPEAKER: I think that should be absolutely disavowed. It's absolutely unacceptable, but do I believe that Hillary Clinton is the answer? No, I do not. Do I believe that Hillary Clinton is going to be the answer to solving these problems? I do not. I believe that we have more common ground on the policy issues of the day and we have more likelihood of getting our policies enacted with him than we do with her, but I do absolutely disavow his comments. I think they're wrong. I don't think they're right-headed, and the thinking behind it is something I don't even personally relate to, but at the end of the day this is about ideas. This is about moving our agenda forward and that's why we're moving the way we're moving. Manu?

MANU RAJU, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Speaker Ryan, how concerned are you that -- you spent a lot of time on this agenda, that he makes comments like these, it's going to undercut what your party is trying to sell here? RYAN: I do think these kinds of comments undercut these things and

I'm not even going to pretend to defend them. I'm going to defend our ideas. I'm going to defend our agenda. What matters to us most is our principles and the policy that come from those principles and our ability to give the people of this country a better way forward. A better way is what we're up to here. And we believe we have a better likelihood of passing that than we would have with a President Clinton.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you were in Columbia, South Carolina, you were talking about poverty, Donald Trump --

RYAN: In public.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In public. And Donald Trump is not one of the Republican presidential candidates who showed up. At that time, you said you hoped that he would -- if he was the nominee, that he would go to some urban centers and talk about poverty in a way that Mitt Romney did not do. Two-part question. First, I'm wondering if he is on board with these specific policies that you've laid out today? Second, have you talked specifically about going to some of these cities while he campaigns for president?

RYAN: I haven't talked to him about where he should campaign. I have discussed with him the tone of his campaign, the ideas, and we have had an exhaustive discussion about these policies. Not just our teams but ourselves personally. We have talked about welfare to work, we have talked about this agenda and the policies contained in this agenda, and that is why I believe that we are far better off advancing these policies, getting them in law with his candidacy than we clearly are with Hillary Clinton's candidacy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you make of Donald Trump doubling down on those remarks about the judge and essentially saying let's go out there and fight it?

RYAN: I just fundamentally disagree with that. I think it's wrong. The way I look at this is if you say something that' wrong, I think the mature and responsible thing to do is to acknowledge it was wrong.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does his campaign need help? Does he need better people around him?

RYAN: I'm not going to comment on that. We've got have enough work to do here in the House than to comment about people running their campaigns?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Speaker, you just said that Mr. Trump's comments were the textbook definition of racism. So how can you continue to support a candidate --

RYAN: I don't know what's in his heart but I think that comment itself is defined that way. So I am not going to defend these kinds of comments because they're indefensible. I'm going to defend our ideas. I'm going to defend our majority. And I think our likelihood of getting these ideas into law are far more likely if we are unified as a party. And so I see it as my job as speaker of the House to help keep our party unified.

I think if we go into the fall as a divided party, we are doomed to lose, and that is why I'm going to be focusing on these ideas, these solutions, and not attempt to try and defend the indefensible.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Speaker, actually I have a policy question for you.

RYAN: Thank you so much. I told Shirley, I'm like 10 to one they're going to be asking these political questions.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here in the District of Columbia today, the local D.C. council is expected to vote for a $15 minimum wage by 2020. They see people who are working in the city but aren't able to make ends meet are still in poverty. What do you think of that move and other jurisdictions who are doing that and does a better way possibly included an increase in the federal minimum wage.

RYAN: No, I think it's -- I that will actually do more harm than good in so many instances because what it does is it prices entry level jobs away from people. Look, I started working at McDonald's -- in the quarter grill at McDonald's in minimum wage, and it was a great way to learn skills. The problem is, when you price jobs out of place from people who are starting, they're not going to get a start. There are far better ways of helping economic growth. There are so many things contained in this reform plan that shows a better way to get people up and on their feet.

Look, remember, this is one of six things we're going to be rolling out. The rest of our agenda is going to be dealing with getting a faster growing economy, having more upward mobility, having more take- home way. And there are better ways of achieving economic growth and upward mobility than a reform that the CBO says could cost millions of jobs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Last question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But you do have a -- you do have a lot of families who are earning minimum wage, $7 an hour give or take. That isn't enough to survive in the city --

[10:15:01] RYAN: That's exactly right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How is restricting or keeping a cap on the minimum wage able to help people lift out of poverty?

RYAN: We're not keeping a cap on the minimum wage. The whole point is having an economy that bids up wages. The whole purpose of our agenda is not capping wages, it's unleashing wages and it's having the kind of economy and economic growth and the kind of skills training, the kind of education, the kind of welfare to work programs that help get people better jobs in a better economy that has more promising future for them. That's what this is all about.

Thank you very much. Appreciate it. COSTELLO: All right. House Speaker -- House Speaker Paul Ryan

finishing up his news conference in Anacostia. And you heard him asked many questions -- he was asked many questions about Donald Trump and he made no bones about it.

I want to bring back in my panel, Ana Navarro and Jeffrey Lord.

You know, Jeffrey, Paul Ryan made no bones about it. He said what Donald Trump said was the textbook definition of racism. His comments are indefensible.

LORD: Let me make no bones about it. Speaker Ryan is wrong and Speaker Ryan has apparently switched positions and is now supporting identity politics which is racist. I mean, I am astonished. Astonished. I like Paul Ryan a lot.

COSTELLO: So you're accusing Paul Ryan -- you're accusing Paul Ryan of racism?

LORD: I am accusing anybody, anybody who believes in identity politics, which he apparently now does, of playing the race card. The Republican establishment is playing this. Senator McConnell is playing this. These people have, you know, run and hid and borrowed the Democratic agenda of playing the race card. It is wrong.

COSTELLO: Do you know how ironic that is that you're calling all of those particular Republicans racist?

LORD: I am saying -- I am saying it is identity politics which is racist. And they should reject it out of hand. I thought Speaker Ryan did. To be perfectly candid. Just a couple of weeks ago he said he believed in the party of Lincoln, Reagan, and Kemp. Well, so do I. Like Speaker Ryan I worked for Jack Kemp. Jack Kemp would never play the race card. Speaker Ryan is playing the race card. It's got to stop.

COSTELLO: OK. I want to replay Paul Ryan's comments right at the top of his news conference for our viewers who are just tuning in. This is what Paul Ryan had to say moments ago about Donald Trump's comments about Judge Curiel. Let's listen.

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RYAN: I disavow these comments. I regret those comments that he made. I don't think -- claiming a person can't do their job because of their race is sort of like the textbook definition of a racist comment. I think that should be absolutely disavowed. It's absolutely unacceptable. But do I believe that Hillary Clinton is the answer? No, I do not. Do I belie that Hillary Clinton is going to be the answer to solving these problems? I do not.

I believe that we have more common ground on the policy issues of the day and we have more likelihood of getting our policies enacted with him than we do with her, but I do absolutely disavow his comments. I think they're wrong. I don't think they're right-headed and the thinking behind it is something I don't even personally relate to, but at the end of the day this is about ideas. This is about moving our agenda forward and that's why we're moving the way we're moving.

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COSTELLO: Ana, I just wanted to get your reaction to Paul Ryan's comments.

NAVARRO: You know, I think -- I think Paul is in a very hard, hard spot. He is the chair of the Republican National Convention. He is the speaker of the House. But I also think Paul is a man of principle who has spent his entire life, his entire career building a more inclusive Republican Party.

LORD: Yes.

NAVARRO: And Paul Ryan needs to look at himself in the mirror. He needs to live with his conscience, and that's why I commend him for going out today, not trying to twist himself into pretzel shapes in front of the American public, trying to not say that racism is -- you know, is not racism, that what Donald Trump said is not racism. He went out there. He didn't mince words. He didn't have nuanced answers. He confronted the spewing of venom by Donald Trump frontally and directly, and I commend him for that.

Agree with him or not, but at least we have somebody who stands for what he believes, who is standing on principle, and who is showing the American people --

COSTELLO: But here's --

NAVARRO: -- that not all Republicans believe as Donald Trump does.

COSTELLO: But here's the thing. Here's the thing, Ana Navarro. I mean, you think Donald Trump's comments were unbelievably terrible and racist. Paul Ryan said he thinks they're racist, too, but he's still going to vote for Donald Trump who I would say Paul Ryan thinks is racist since he says these things.

NAVARRO: Well, I would tell you, I would tell you it's a very difficult position, and I suspect knowing Paul Ryan as I do that it is an excruciating decision for him. He's got other duties that go beyond what I as a normal Republican do, and, you know, and I think that he's got to worry about things like the down ballot of his ticket.

Now I will tell you, there's five months left to go. If Donald Trump continues down this path of racism, of divisiveness, of ugly negative rhetoric, of pitting one group of Americans against another, give Paul Ryan time because I know Paul Ryan. He's not going to be able to live with this, and I think you're going to see different levels of support for Donald Trump. Will you see Paul Ryan actively campaigning for him if this is the Donald Trump we continue to see? I doubt it.

[10:20:03] I think that, you know, you have got to live with the reality and reconcile yourself with the reality that he is the Republican nominee. He was obviously not Paul Ryan's first choice. He was probably not his 15th choice. But here he is as the Republican nominee.

Now at the same time he's got to reconcile that with his principles, with his conscience, with his heart, with his career, with his life, with his wife, with his children, with the family he leads and, you know, he knows that is what Donald Trump is saying is not representative of the Republican values he has fought for his entire life.

COSTELLO: And, Jeffrey, I want you to respond to what Ana just said, but I also want to point something out. I see Ronald Reagan over your shoulder, right?

LORD: Yes.

COSTELLO: I see that picture. It's in every picture we --

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LORD: Who was accused of being a supporter of the Ku Klux Klan, by the way.

COSTELLO: OK. Well, right. I'm going to -- I'm just going to lay something by you. Michael Reagan, Ronald Reagan's son.

LORD: Yes.

COSTELLO: Says he will not vote for Donald Trump.

LORD: Right. Right. I love --

COSTELLO: Because of what he said about Judge Curiel.

LORD: Look, I love Michael Reagan. I think he's terrific. One of the things I try never to do in life with Ronald Reagan or anybody else who has passed away is try and put them into a current situation. Their records are what their records are. They're no longer here.

NAVARRO: You do it daily, my friend.

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LORD: Well, no, I talk about what Ronald Reagan did. I don't talk about what he would say now. There's a difference. There's a difference.

COSTELLO: But, Jeffrey, Michael Reagan was probably much closer to his father than you were --

LORD: Oh, sure, of course.

COSTELLO: And he's saying my father would never vote for Donald Trump.

LORD: Absolutely.

COSTELLO: And I'm not going to support the presumptive GOP nominee either.

LORD: Right. Look. I love Michael Reagan. I know him a bit. I want him to do what he wants to do. I am simply saying the position of the Republican Party should be that the Constitution is color blind. Judges should not be involved in groups that believe in judging people by skin color and race. That is wrong. Speaker Ryan seems to be switching his position on this. That is wrong.

The Republican establishment seems to be going out of its way to indicate that they now believe this. That is wrong. That's what I'm saying. That is not the party of Reagan, Lincoln, Kemp, most particularly Abraham Lincoln for heaven's sake. We're the party that ended slavery.

COSTELLO: I want to interrupt our discussion for just a minute because I want to go back to Anacostia and Washington, D.C., and check in with Manu Raju. He was covering this extraordinary news conference today, and I just want to get his thoughts about how Paul Ryan's comments went down.

Hi, Manu.

RAJU: Good morning, Carol. It was really -- it was a surreal news conference in a lot of ways. In no small part because Paul Ryan has really struggled with this endorsement. Of course, only coming less than a week after he did make that endorsement and really what undergirds this concern from Paul Ryan is the fear that Trump will continue to say things like this and will really undermine what his party is trying to do, what Republicans are trying to do to maintain control of Congress and take back the White House.

Now after Paul Ryan made those comments calling Trump's Judge Curiel comments the textbook definition of a racist comment, I asked him do you think that this would undercut -- these kinds of comments undercut the Republican agenda, that Paul Ryan and House Republicans are trying to present, he said he is concerned about that. He said he worries that it does undercut what Republicans are trying to do and he says that the party needs to unite going forward and if they're at war like this for the next several months, then they can essentially hand the White House to Hillary Clinton.

A real message to Donald Trump to be a lot more disciplined on the campaign trail and realize that he's leading the top of the ticket, and what he says has consequences down ticket.

Now one other thing, Paul Ryan sort of views his role as speaking out from time to time, not all the time about Donald Trump. Several months ago when Trump was gaining steam in the primary, I asked him, don't you think it's time to step up and raise a lot of concerns about Donald Trump the way a lot of your other colleagues are like Mitt Romney, for instance, was, and he said that he did not view that as his role. He said his role was to stand up when he believes, in his words, conservatism is being disfigured.

So Paul Ryan certainly doing this in this instance, believing that this does not represent the party, but it just shows how big of a distraction it is for Republicans on Capitol Hill as they try to actually show what they may do if they control Congress next year and also control the White House -- Carol.

COSTELLO: All right. Manu Raju reporting live. Thanks so much.

And my thanks to Ana Navarro and Jeffrey Lord.

Still to come in the NEWSROOM. Hillary Clinton moves one step closer to taking on Donald Trump while Bernie Sanders refuses to duck out.

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[10:28:15] COSTELLO: Hillary Clinton gets a big boost of support today after scooping up enough superdelegates to clinch her party's nomination. House minority leader Nancy Pelosi now throwing her support behind Clinton who overnight became the country's first female presumptive presidential nominee from a main political party.

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CLINTON: According to the news, we are on the brink of a historic, historic, unprecedented moment, but we still have work to do, don't we? We have six elections tomorrow, and we're going to fight hard for every single vote, especially right here in California.

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COSTELLO: But Clinton isn't claiming victory yet, that's because the superdelegate count put her over the top. CNN counts shows Clinton garnering the support of 2,384 delegates, that's one more than she needs to get the nomination. But of course, as you heard Hillary Clinton say voters in six states still have to cast their ballots today. So we're covering this like only CNN can with our team of political reporters.

Let's begin with CNN's Chris Frates. He's in Los Angeles.

Good morning, Chris.

CHRIS FRATES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning, Carol. You're exactly right. Hillary Clinton is not popping the champagne just yet on the news that she's now the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, and that's largely because she wants her supporters to get out to vote. There's voting in six states today. As you can see behind me here, voting just started in California a few minutes ago and there's 475 pledged delegates at stake here, so this game is far from over.

Now Bernie Sanders also downplaying the news here, not surprisingly. Arguing that because they are superdelegates they could change their mind. He put out a statement, I want to read it to you here. He said, quote, "It is wrong to count the votes of superdelegates before they actually vote at the convention."

Now Bernie Sanders has said for the last few days he's going to take his campaign all the way to the --