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Clinton Has Delegates to Secure Nomination; Sanders Critical of Delegate Count; Republicans Upset with Trump's Attacks on Judge; WHO Reassessing Zika Risks for Olympics; France Prepared for Terror Attacks on Euro 2016; John Oliver Buys, Forgives $15 Million Medical Debt. Aired 1-2a ET

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ISHA SESAY, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): This is CNN NEWSROOM live from Los Angeles.

JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Ahead this hour, history in American presidential politics. Hillary Clinton is set to become the first female nominee of a major political party.

SESAY (voice-over): Plus police swarm a terror suspect who they say plotted to attack the Euro 2016 football championship.

VAUSE (voice-over): And Zika fears gripping the Brazil Olympics. The World Health Organization now taking a second look at the risks facing competitors and fans.

SESAY (voice-over): Hello and thank you for joining us. I'm Isha Sesay.

VAUSE: Thanks for being with us. I'm John Vause. Another hour of NEWSROOM L.A. starts now.

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VAUSE: Hillary Clinton now has enough delegates to clinch the U.S. Democratic presidential nomination.

SESAY: Clinton has 2,384, one delegate over the number she needed. She'd be the first woman to capture a major party's nomination. And sources tell CNN President Barack Obama is ready to give Clinton his endorsement.

VAUSE: There are still some big primary contests on Tuesday. In a rally just a few hours ago here in Southern California, Clinton encouraged her supporters to turn out and vote.

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HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: According to the news, we are on the brink of a historic, historic, unprecedented moment.

But we still have work to do, don't we?

We have six elections tomorrow. And we're going to fight hard for every single vote, especially right here in California.

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VAUSE (voice-over): Her rival, Bernie Sanders, is refusing to get out of the race.

SESAY (voice-over): He's slamming the delegate count as a, quote, "rush to judgment" and promises to take his campaign all the way to the convention in July.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I), VT., PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And if we can win here in California, win in South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana, New Mexico, do well in New Jersey, we're going to go into that convention with enormous momentum.

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VAUSE: Joining us now here in Los Angeles is conservative analyst and talk show host on the radio -- the Salem Radio Network, Larry Elder and in Sacramento, California, Democratic strategist Kevin Chavous.

Kevin, first to you. We've got this historic moment. It's never happened before. A woman will have the nomination of a major political party here in the United States. Yet everyone seems to be talking about delegates and super delegates.

Is this legitimate?

Is it not?

Why isn't Bernie getting out of the race?

What's going on?

KEVIN CHAVOUS, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well, first of all, I'm proud of our country. I mean, this is the land of the free and land of opportunity and anyone can aspire to any office and I think that Hillary Clinton's run demonstrates that.

I think that Bernie Sanders understands that he's walking a tightrope, that he has a lot of rabid, enthusiastic supporters. He has to make sure that he gets them the respect that they deserve.

And he wants to make sure that Secretary Clinton and the Democratic leadership does that. This issue of super delegates, as I've said time and time again, when you have these young, enthusiastic Democratic voters under the age of 40 or 45, when they hear "super delegates," they think of the politics of the old. And that old school politics just ain't working today. 2016 is a reawakening, a reordering of American politics and I think that what Secretary Clinton has to do is figure out the best way to embrace Bernie Sanders and give him the opportunity to sell to his supporters that he's gotten something for their support.

And I think, frankly, the phone call that the president had with Senator Sanders was the beginning of that process. You'll see other people begin to talk to Senator Sanders. And I think the Democratic Party, in short order, is going to move toward unifying against Donald Trump.

SESAY: And Larry, let's bring you in here. As Kevin just made clear, the Democratic Party has some divisions it needs to heal. That's something you know quite well.

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CHAVOUS: Even Larry knows that.

LARRY ELDER, REPUBLICAN TALK SHOW HOST: Well, it does. These Bernie supporters are angry and they're angry, in my opinion, largely for the same reason that Trump supporters are angry.

This economic recovery has been lousy. It's been sub 2 percent; 1 percent translates to a million votes, to a million workers. If this had just been a normal recovery, we'd have 7 million more jobs. If it had been a Ronald Reagan type recovery we'd be talking about 14 million more jobs.

So there is real anger and the anger is over the Obama administration's policies. Two-thirds of the American people believe we're on the wrong track and Hillary's real problem is that she's running for a third term of Obama.

How's she going to tell the Bernie Sanders supporters, get behind me when --

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ELDER: -- when they're angry about the economic policies that haven't worked in the last eight years?

VAUSE: Well, it's going to be hard for the Bernie Sanders supporters to get behind anybody because Bernie Sanders isn't going anywhere. He didn't even talk about Hillary Clinton getting the nomination tonight. In fact, he continued to go after her and her ties to Wall Street.

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SANDERS: And one of the differences between Secretary Clinton and our campaign is we don't have a super PAC, we don't want a super PAC. Our job is to take on Wall Street, not take Wall Street's money.

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VAUSE: Yes, Larry, when you hear that as a Republican, you must be thrilled.

ELDER: Well, he's pretty rabid. He hasn't had time to have a haircut.

VAUSE: He always looked like that, to be fair.

ELDER: He sincerely believes that he's been ripped off. The super delegates have had the fix in for Hillary. And he has a thin chance of wooing some of these super delegates and getting them to switch over to him because the polls are showing him doing better than her head-to-head against Donald Trump.

SESAY: Kevin, to you, with him saying he's not going anywhere, are you losing sleep about a contested convention?

CHAVOUS: No, no, not at all. And look, there's a practical aspect to the reason why Bernie Sanders is still pounding the table. I mean, let's face it. He still has six races tomorrow. And his hand is totally strengthened if he does well in these states, particularly if he wins California.

So he has to act like that he's going all the way in. But I think, after this week, especially if he does well, he will start to have some of those back room negotiations that everyone talks about to make sure that he can get some of his stuff on the platform and that way pay respect and homage to his supporters.

VAUSE: OK. This is a statement -- oh, sorry, you had something on that?

ELDER: No. He's right. And the supporters want him to go all the way.

However, Bernie Sanders has to talk about his own future.

Does he want to just go down swinging like this?

Does he want to be perceived as a spoiler?

VAUSE: Exactly.

So this is a statement the Sanders campaign put out.

"It is unfortunate that the media, in a rush to judgment, are ignoring the Democratic National Committee's clear statement that it is wrong to count the votes of super delegates before they actually vote at the convention this summer."

Kevin, this just seems to me completely misleading because no one votes before the convention this summer. And that's why Hillary Clinton is being called the presumptive nominee.

Doesn't Bernie Sanders at least owe it to his supporters to be honest to some degree?

CHAVOUS: Well, yes. But look, the media's a great bogeyman. I mean, and I think --

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tell me about it.

CHAVOUS: Part of what they like to be able to do, Bernie Sanders -- and Donald Trump has done this masterfully -- is say that look at what they're doing to you out there. They're trying to limit your voice. And I know your voice means something.

So this is all part of the grand plan.

But I tell you, I want to comment on something Larry said. Larry's right about this idea of the sluggish economy and people were feeling a little frustrated about.

But more than that they just don't like the political speak that they get from those traditional politicians.

So I think as we go into this fall election, I think the thing that Secretary Clinton has to run away from is talking about experience to the nth degree as if it's going to move those independent voters she needs.

And a lot of those independent voters have looked closely at Sanders and Trump for that very reason. That political speak, that same-old, same-old, I hear it all the time out there.

I know, Larry, you must hear it on your radio show.

People want something fresh and genuine and authentic.

ELDER: I think he's right about that.

But the problem is, once Hillary starts criticizing Obama, which is really what you're saying, if you don't believe that we're on the right track, you've got to criticize the guy that's been presiding over this wrong track for the last seven years.

Once she starts doing that, she can take off her most loyal constituency and these are blacks.

SESAY: (INAUDIBLE) to all of that, your point about people wanting something different, is that people, given the choice between Bernie Sanders and his vision of a completely different political system, and Hillary Clinton -- and she won 3 million more votes in real terms.

So I hear what you're saying but that was put to the people and the majority chose Hillary Clinton.

And I guess you could say her old school politics, Kevin.

CHAVOUS: Yes, but she also needs those people who voted for Sanders in 20 states -- and possibly counting if he wins more tomorrow. So she's got to unify the party. So she has to, again, walk that proverbial tightrope to make that happen. And I think she's got to show more than just lip service at the

convention and even with some of the policies.

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VAUSE: -- headed over to the other side of the politics now.

SESAY: Yes, absolutely.

On the Republican side, Donald Trump is facing backlash over his comments about a judge's Mexican heritage.

VAUSE: Even some Republicans who support Trump say this time, this time he has gone too far. CNN chief political correspondent Dana Bash has more.

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DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This judge is of Mexican heritage. I'm building a wall. OK?

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TRUMP: I'm building a wall.

DANA BASH, CNN SR. U.S. CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A federal judge of Mexican descent, whom Donald Trump wants removed from one of the fraud cases against Trump University.

JAKE TAPPER, CNN CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: If you are saying he can't do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism?

TRUMP: I don't think so at all.

BASH (voice-over): Yet virtually every other Republican is suggesting that's exactly what it is, even staunch Trump supporters.

NEWT GINGRICH, FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER: If a liberal were to attack Justice Clarence Thomas on the grounds that he's black, we would all go crazy. Every conservative would say it was wrong and it was racism.

BASH (voice-over): The trouble for Trump: this is just the latest in a string of incendiary comments, going back to 2011, when he infamously questioned whether Barack Obama was really born in the U.S.

TRUMP: He doesn't have a birth certificate.

BASH (voice-over): And more recently, reluctance to denounce a former KKK leader.

TRUMP: Honestly, I don't know David Duke. I don't believe I've ever met him. I'm pretty sure I didn't meet him.

BASH (voice-over): Trump later made clear he would disavow David Duke.

Then, late last week, Trump referred to a black supporter in the crowd this way.

TRUMP: Look at my African American over here. Look at him.

Are you the greatest?

BASH (voice-over): That supporter, congressional candidate Gregory Cheadle, told CNN he wasn't offended but acknowledged others were.

Then there was Trump's controversial call to temporarily ban all Muslims from entering America.

TRUMP: Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.

BASH (voice-over): That drew support from GOP primary voters but was condemned by many GOP leaders.

REP. PAUL RYAN (R), HOUSE SPEAKER: This is not conservatism.

BASH (voice-over): As for Trump's inflammatory remarks regarding the federal judge...

TRUMP: He's a hater. His name is Gonzalo Curiel, the judge who happens to be, we believe, Mexican, which is great. I think that's fine.

BASH (voice-over): Republicans may think it's morally wrong but they also worry it's politically destructive for the GOP, since Hispanics are such a growing force in the U.S. population, 55 million nationally as of 2014 compared to just 9.6 million some 40 years ago, according to the Pew Research Center.

And it's not only states with traditionally large Hispanic populations.

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BASH (voice-over): In fact, the state with the biggest Hispanic growth in the last census was reliably red Alabama.

Alienating voters with racial intolerance is what several former Trump GOP opponents warned about.

SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), S.C.: I think embracing Donald Trump is embracing demographic death.

BASH (voice-over): Going for votes in a rather narrow Republican primary electorate, Trump prevailed. But now Trump is the leader of the party of Abraham Lincoln, with a country becoming less and less white, which makes his comments more and more alarming to many Republicans.

GINGRICH: He's got to move his game up to the level of being a potential leader.

BASH: But based on a conference call Trump had with supporters, urging them to push back rather than give in or recalibrate on this issue, it doesn't sound like he's prepared to listen to the tough love he's getting, even and especially from those who support his campaign -- Dana Bash, CNN, Washington.

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VAUSE: Larry Elder and Kevin Chavous back with us now.

OK. So there is a lot of anger out there right now at Donald Trump because of this argument he's having with the judge presiding over his case.

And also there is this Democratic congressman in Texas. He wrote an open letter to Donald Trump, saying, in part, this, "Mr. Trump, you're a racist. You can take your border wall and shove it up..."

You can work out the rest.

And that congressman actually explained why he used such explicit language. Listen to this.

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REP. FILEMON VELA (D), TEXAS: Well, I would have liked to have spoken to him in a much more diplomatic fashion but I felt like I had to speak to Donald Trump in language that he understands.

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VAUSE: OK, Larry, to you. Mitt Romney got 27 percent of the Latino vote in 2012 and lost. Right now, Donald Trump is polling around 20 percent, 21 percent.

If he keeps doing this kind of stuff, going after a judge born in Indiana and calling him Mexican, it's not going to get much better, is it?

ELDER: No, it won't. But I also want to say something about the way the media's been coverage this.

When Debbie Wasserman Schultz said that the Democratic -- the Republican Party wants to drag us back to Jim Crow, when Charlie Rangel sat up there and said they don't say S word or N word anymore; they just say let's cut taxes.

When Claire McCaskill from Missouri said George W. Bush let people die on rooftops in New Orleans because they were poor and they were black, the same people who are going hyperventilating over what Donald Trump said didn't say a word.

The race baiting and the use of racial terms by the Democrats is unreal. Joe Biden, giving a speech before a predominantly black audience, was talking about the lack of regulation Republicans wanted. He said they're going to put y'all back in chains. Hillary Clinton

said of the Republican GOP, they're running this place like a plantation.

And you know what I'm talking about. They do it time and time again. And I want to see the same outrage when the Left does it as when Donald Trump says it.

VAUSE: Kevin.

Pick it up.

ELDER: All right, Kevin.

CHAVOUS: This is -- yes, this is what I think.

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CHAVOUS: I think that we're at a point in time -- this is a vulnerable point in time in American politics. And it comes down to whether or not we're going to engage in the politics of fear and divisiveness or the politics of hope.

And I think that, at the end of the day, if I were advising Donald Trump, I would say, look, this politics of fear thing, you have to back away because you have to inspire people and to want to aspire to be better and to do better.

And I think that when you start to pick apart Americans by ethnicity or race or gender, it's a real problem.

And I think, yes, it happens on both sides. But I tell you, the American public, particularly this younger generation, this younger generation, we need to give them credit.

People talk about young kids don't care and all that. They're the most giving generation in human history. And they want people to inspire them to do better and be better. That's why they run to Bernie Sanders.

And that's why I think that, when it comes to the politics of fear and divisiveness, whoever is putting that out there, it's not a winning strategy, not going forward for America.

VAUSE: So OK. One of the other controversies surrounding Donald Trump is when he referred to "my African American." That man is Gregory Cheadle. He's a Republican running for Congress. He says he wasn't offended. Listen to this.

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GREGORY CHEADLE, REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE: My initial reaction was nothing more than a jovial surprise. I'm still blown away why so many people have made this an issue. It was just a fun thing that happened. Everybody there was happy. It was a jovial event. I don't know. I

was just -- I was pleasantly surprised. It was funny more than anything else.

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SESAY: So Larry, I'm going to ask you for your reaction to it.

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ELDER: It's not like Donald Trump turned to him the way Larry Wilmore did during the White House Correspondents Dinner and said "my N word (sic)".

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SESAY: But Larry Wilmore's not running to be President of the United States.

ELDER: I mean, come on. It is just such a minor, minor thing. We ought to be talking about -- Donald Trump ought to be talking about giving a point-by-point rebuttal to Hillary's foreign policy speech.

Instead we're talking about Donald Trump calling the judge Mexican, self-inflicted. And the other one is not self-inflicted. It's just minor.

SESAY: But the thing about him calling the judge Mexican, he is also attacking this country's judicial impartiality. That is a big --

ELDER: I couldn't -- I couldn't agree with you more, which is why Donald Trump, in my opinion, ought to apologize for that. I don't defend the remark. Nobody has defended it. Not a single Republican has stepped up and said, yes, that was perfectly OK. He ought to apologize but then go ahead and make the argument that I want to be treated fairly by a judge.

That's fine. But don't call the judge a Mexican. He's from Indiana. He's a Hoosier.

VAUSE: Very quickly, Kevin, last word to you.

If Mr. Cheadle is not offended by what Mr. Trump said, why should anyone else be offended?

CHAVOUS: Well, because it speaks to someone being presidential.

I remember years ago I heard that when the president catches a cold, it affects Wall Street. So it shows the weight, the sheer weight and magnitude of the person holding that office.

And I think that that's what Mr. Trump should look at in terms of his words and his deeds, that it has huge impact. What he says, what he does could affect the economy. It could start a war. It could start a riot.

So I think that when you have that level of responsibility, you need to exercise it judiciously.

VAUSE: OK.

Kevin and Larry, again, thank you so much --

SESAY: Thank you so much, gentlemen.

VAUSE: -- for being with us.

SESAY: Great conversation.

VAUSE: It's a long way to go.

SESAY: Yes. You'll be back many a night.

CHAVOUS: Even Larry understands that.

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SESAY: Even Larry knows that.

Again, thank you.

CHAVOUS: Thank you, Larry.

SESAY: It's time for a quick break now.

Authorities in Ukraine say they thwarted a terror plot on the Euro 2016 football championship in France. More on the suspects and the stash of weapons they say he had.

VAUSE: Plus: just 16 days remain until Britons decide whether to stay in the European Union or get out.

Why is it getting more and more heated in the U.K.?

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SESAY: Last month in an open letter more than 150 public health experts called for the Rio Olympic Games to be postponed or moved due to concerns about Zika.

At the time, the World Health Organization rejected that call and, in a statement, said there is no public health justification for postponing or canceling the games.

Then just last Friday, a WHO spokeswoman said the World Health Organization would now be reassessing the dangers of hosting the games in Rio.

Well, I'm pleased to say joining us now from the WHO is Dr. Bruce Aylward. He's the organization's Executive Director of Outbreaks and Health Emergencies. He joins us now from Washington, D.C.

Welcome to the program, Dr. Aylward. It's good to have you with us.

DR. BRUCE AYLWARD, WHO: Thank you.

SESAY: So let me ask you this, what brought about the change in the World Health Organization's position?

AYLWARD: Well, first of all, Isha, I want to be clear, there actually was no change. In fact, under the rules that govern this sort of an issue, WHO convenes what's called an emergency committee on any public health emergency of international concern, like Zika, and then we are obliged under an international treaty to reconvene that committee every three months.

And in fact, what's happening this month is the reconvening of this committee since it last met on the 8th of March. So this is part of the ongoing assessment of the whole emergency around Zika and the international spread of that disease.

SESAY: I think the word that a lot of people were struck by is that you were reassessing the dangers posed by Zika, which, up until this point it had seemed as if the WHO was very much set in its position that you were aware of the dangers, you were comfortable with the dangers and the games were to go on.

AYLWARD: Yes. And indeed, as I just mentioned, we reassess the situation every three months. We have to do that automatically under the international treaty that governs this kind of emergency.

But as time goes by, of course, this is a relatively new disease and we're gaining new information all the time. So you want to keep any situation like this under constant reassessment.

But so far what we're seeing is just an accumulation --

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AYLWARD: -- of evidence to suggest that our understanding of the disease, while it's limited, is it's basically more and more of the evidence is reaffirming what we already know, who's really at risk, how does the disease spread, et cetera.

And, in fact, there's been no major change in that risk assessment. What we're doing is the regular reassessment of the situation, though.

SESAY: Dr. Aylward, Amir Attaran, the professor from Ottawa, Canada, who's one of the leading authors of that open letter, has been very vocal in his criticism of the WHO and says, amongst a number of things, that the organization is being reckless in refusing to acknowledge what he considers to be a situation that could give birth to a global health crisis. What do you say to that assessment by the likes of Dr. Attaran and

more than 150 other public health experts?

AYLWARD: Well, I think we're already dealing with a public health emergency of international concern and we have been for months now. So I think I would take issue with the fact that the organization's being reckless.

In fact, we've been extremely concerned with this situation and have a huge program of work with many, many international partners to advance our understanding of Zika as rapidly as possible, do everything possible to limit the spread of the disease, limit the consequences of the disease and then also to ensure that the general public, public health experts are well educated to the degree possible and taking all appropriate measures.

And in fact, while 150 people have signed that letter, we have engaged hundreds, literally hundreds of people over the last six months, experts on infectious disease, on vectors like mosquitoes, on their control, et cetera, to enhance and advance our understanding of this disease and how to best manage any possible consequences.

SESAY: Professor Attaran has been also extremely critical of the relationship between the IOC and the World Health Organization. He has said that there is a conflict of interest.

Is there a conflict of interest?

Are you too close to the IOC?

AYLWARD: Isha, again, that's really unfortunate. Our relationship with the IOC is very public. There is a MOU we've had with the -- and, in fact, that was only in place with the International Olympic Committee between 2010 and 2015.

And the purpose of that MOU was to work together to promote healthy lifestyles. And that is exactly healthy living, healthy lifestyles, good health. And that is the extent of our engagement with the IOC.

SESAY: One Olympic historian I spoke to said these games would never be moved purely because of money, at the end of the day, that it all comes down to dollars and cents.

Is that true?

Would the WHO withhold advice to say these games should be postponed or moved for fear of offending, upsetting sponsors and the amount of money that's being poured into this?

AYLWARD: Definitely not. Definitely not. Always your concern is going to be for the health of people, for individuals, for populations. That's the first thing you always look at.

And we've looked very, very carefully at those things. And clearly any risks to health can be managed, as we've already discussed. But there has certainly been no pressure put on WHO, certainly none that I'm aware of, to suggest that no consideration should be given to reconsidering the convening of an event because of financial or other reasons.

We work in the interests of global public health. Everything we do is completely public. We try to make it public. So, again, I don't think that's a fair or valid criticism. It's a valid concern, of course but there's nothing underpinning that.

SESAY: Dr. Bruce Aylward, thank you so much for joining us. We very much appreciate your time.

AYLWARD: You're welcome.

VAUSE: And we'll take a short break.

When we come back, authorities in Ukraine say they've thwarted a terror plot on the Euro 2016 football championship in France. We'll have more on the suspect and the stash of weapons they say he had.

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[01:32:48] SESAY: You're watching CNN NEWSROOM, live from Los Angeles. I'm Isha Sesay.

VAUSE: And I'm John Vause. Let's check the headlines this hour.

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VAUSE: Ukraine says it has detained a Frenchman who planned at least a dozen attacks on French targets during the Euro 2016 football championship. Authorities released this dramatic video of the takedown which happened late last month on the Polish border with Ukraine.

SESAY: Ukraine's security services say the suspect reached out to armed groups in eastern Ukraine and built up an arsenal of weapons and explosives including rocket launchers and assault rifles.

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UNIDENTIFIED HEAD OF UKRAINE'S SECURITY SERVICES (through translation): The targets of the attack were, although it sounds strange, it is true and it was documented, a Muslim mosque, a Jewish synagogue, a French tax office, highway patrol points, and many other places. As I said, 15 terrorist attacks were planned.

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VAUSE: France will hold a security exercise Tuesday to prepare for potential terror threats at Euro 2016, which kicks off on Friday. ISIS has said it intends to attack the tournament.

SESAY: France will deploy nearly 100,000 security forces to guard the event at match venues and fan zones. French President Francois Hollande says zero risk is impossible to guarantee.

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FRANCOIS HOLLANDE, FRENCH PRESIDENT (through translation): Even if we are very vigilant, we must take these precautions throughout the competition. We have invested all the means to succeed and we must not allow ourselves to be pressured by the threat. It exists, this threat.

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VAUSE: CNN's law enforcement contributor, Steve Moore, is with us now. He's also a former FBI agent.

SESAY: And CNN intelligence and security analyst, Bob Baer, joins us from Telluride, Colorado.

Gentlemen, welcome.

Steve, to you first.

Security for this tournament is effectively a co-production involving numerous departments, private security companies and European forces. Is that reassuring to you or cause for concern, the fact there's so much different parties in play?

[01:35:12] STEVE MOORE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT CONTRIBUTOR: Yeah, when there's a lot of moving pieces, there are more scenes. The more pieces you have, the more scenes you have. But the fact that they've got 100,000 people on this makes the scenes pretty small. So it is encouraging to me.

VAUSE: OK. Let's go to Bob Baer.

Bob, how good is the intelligence that ISIS wants to carry out some kind of terror attack? Is ISIS the only group that should be of concern here?

BOB BAER, CNN INTELLIGENCE & SECURITY ANALYST: Well, John, they've said they're going to attack the Euro 2016. Some of the people they caught from the Paris and Brussels attacks said that was on the planning boards. That group has mostly been rolled up. I think they've got most of the explosives and weapons.

The question is does the Islamic State have another group out there or even somebody like al Qaeda in Yemen, are they going to attack France? This is a big target. As the French president said, you just simply cannot guarantee 100 percent security. French security services are very good. It's just that they don't know where exactly it's coming from and the availability of weapons in Europe is particularly disturbing for the police and the security services.

SESAY: As Bob just said, they don't know where it's coming from. And whether it's ISIS or it's another group, the fact of the matter is all of France is a target, not just these venues, correct? Because to get a successful attack anywhere in France for them would be a coup.

MOORE: Exactly. You don't have to hit the area, the city where the events are going to be. All you have to hit is somewhere nearby and it's going to grab the attention of the media. And as Bob said, there's infrastructure there. There's weapons transfer. There are explosives. You cannot take for granted that you've gotten them all. So there is a high level of risk.

VAUSE: Steve, from a practical point of view, if you've got all this security in place at stadiums, metal detectors, bag searches, people being stopped, all this kind of stuff, that then creates a bubble outside of the stadiums, which then means there's a large group of people there, that's a potential attack as well. How do you secure this from a practical point of view? Especially 90,000 people around the Eiffel Tower, a fan zone. This would seem to be, despite having 100,000 extra security on the job, next to impossible.

MOORE: It is next to impossible because no matter where you draw the line and say we secure from here on out, all you're doing is moving the perimeter out. You are not eliminating the perimeter. And every time you move it out guess what you do. You make it larger and you thin out the security that you can provide. It is just a terrible catch 22.

SESAY: Bob, is there a specific type of attack authorities will be looking for or worried about? One would automatically they've an explosive device. It really could be anything.

BAER: It could be anything, Isha. But I think what really scares the French and scares everybody are these suicide vests. This is clear after Paris. They've learned how to make these things and preserve the explosives. And for instance, as Steve was saying, all you have to do is walk down on a metro absolutely packed with people, and you've got metal in this thing and you're going to get a lot of casualties. And there's no way for the French police to protect the metro.

VAUSE: And, Bob, what about these reports coming from the police union saying that essentially the police are exhausted, they've been dealing with this state of emergency there for an extended period of time, they've already had to deal with two very big terror attacks in Paris in the last year or so. And essentially, they're not really up for the job.

BAER: They are exhausted. This group that came down from Brussels and attacked Paris, besieged the city, and they were given the authority to go after all of these targets, but there are so many of them and they've learned how to stay off e-mail and use burner phones and the rest of it, that they are running 99.9 percent false leads. And I don't -- this is totally understandable because this group, so amorphous, with an ability to strike with surprise and speed, that they are discouraged.

SESAY: Steve, all those attending Euro 2016, seeing all those forces on the streets is going to be reassuring but this is going to be about the intelligence, right? It's going to be about the security you can't see?

MOORE: Yeah, you're not going to see 90 percent of what's going on there. But Bob makes a great point. One of the things we thought when we were working al Qaeda in the early 2000s was just fatigue. And it's not just physical fatigue. It's the mental fatigue of realizing that 99 percent of your leads, 99 percent of your investigation is going to come up negative, and you get to be jaded, almost like the TSA guys who never see a gun come through. So they have to keep the attention, they have to keep the focus, and after a while, it becomes mentally taxing.

[01:40:19] VAUSE: Which is why they already had a bit of a security run-through last month at one particular football match and a whole bunch of fireworks managed to get into the stadium.

SESAY: Yeah, the French finals.

VAUSE: Exactly. It was a huge failure of security.

MOORE: It's difficult. There's no two ways around it. But that's why having the exercises to boost the morale and boost the attention.

VAUSE: Steve Moore, thank you.

SESAY: Bob Baer.

SESAY: And Bob Baer, in Telluride.

Thanks for being with us, guys.

Thanks.

MOORE:

VAUSE: Short break. When we come back, nasty accusations flying in the U.K. over the Brexit vote. Why the Leave the E.U. campaign is saying the other side is trying to scare the voters.

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VAUSE: Welcome back. A Japanese boy who was lost for nearly a week in the woods has just been released from hospital. He told reporters, "I'm OK." Police in Hokkaido say they will not pursue criminal charges against the boy's parents. But a police spokesman says they want to follow up on suspicions of emotional abuse.

SESAY: The boy's father says he left him on the roadside as punishment for misbehaving during a family trip. The boy spent six nights in an empty military building before he was found Friday.

VAUSE: Well, U.K. Independence Party leader, Nigel Farage, and British Prime Minister David Cameron will take questions from a live studio audience later in the so-called Brexit vote. Mr. Cameron is warning that Britain leaving the E.U. will put the economy at risk.

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DAVID CAMERON, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: Add those things together, the shock impact, the uncertainty impact, the trade impact, and you put a bomb under our economy. And the worst thing is we will have lit the fuse ourselves.

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[01:45:11] SESAY: The former London mayor, Boris Johnson, said Mr. Cameron is just trying to scare the voters.

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BORIS JOHNSON, FORMER MAYOR OF LONDON: So I think they can see that on the Democratic side of the argument they are losing. But what they say, what they say is that that sacrifice of democracy is worth it for the economic gain. And what I want to say to you today is that that argument is morally and practically completely wrong.

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SESAY: Joining us now is Sandro Monetti, the managing editor of the "L.A. Business Journal."

Looking super smart. Sandro Monetti in a suit.

VAUSE: Nice to have you here.

SANDRO MONETTI, MANAGING EDITOR, L.A. BUSINESS JOURNAL: You're look great, too, both of you.

VAUSE: Thank you very much.

SESAY: Thank you.

VAUSE: Let's talk Brexit. This is going to be a very, very important decision for British voters. And right now all the polls have the numbers surging toward leaving the E.U. This has been a bit of a turnaround. So what's driving those numbers? What has actually -- has something happened in the last few weeks?

MONETTI: The vote has been talked about for many months. Now it's almost upon us, June 23. So people have put it to the back of their minds and now they're really starting to pay attention to it. And there is a lot of uncertainty in the financial markets caused by the fact that the polls have changed. Suddenly, it's gone by about 3 percent to 4 percent in favor of leave. And, yes, it seems to me that the more David Cameron makes the stay argument, the more the polls go in the wrong direction.

VAUSE: There's not one thing you can point to. It's just that people are seriously contemplating.

MONETTI: It's a matter of timing. This debate about Europe is taking place in British politics for many years, but at the last election, David Cameron made a pledge there would be a public referendum to stay or to go. And now the vote is almost upon us and people are seriously thinking about their vote.

SESAY: The prime minister has accused the "leave camp" of pulling as he says an economic con trick on the public. Let me ask you this. As a Brit, does the British public fully understand the issues at play here? How well is the media doing at explaining all of this as you kind of followed it from afar?

MONETTI: Yes, it hasn't been explained well at all. There's been lots of spin on both sides. And it's been a tricky one for the media to sort out the truth from the spinning that is going on here. And now everyone is sort of making their own decisions. And it's incredibly close. And because of this uncertainty, as I was referring to, the pound is at a three-week low against the dollar. And those who are making the argument, like David Cameron, that this is going to put an economic time bomb under Britain if we leave are, you know, starting to see some sense in that argument. But Boris Johnson, who you saw there, who is very much in favor of leave, is taking the argument, short-term pain for long-term gain, don't worry because this will be so fantastic the pound will be stronger than ever if we go on our own.

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VAUSE: Trust me, he says.

MONETTI: Trust me, he says. And this, to me, is pretty much a personality battle now. It has become Cameron against Johnson, the two most prominent figures in the Conservative Party.

SESAY: Old school friends, right?

MONETTI: Old school friends turned enemies. When this is all over in a few months' time, we'll see who's in 10 Downing Street.

SESAY: Yeah, absolutely.

MONETTI: Because if Cameron loses this, he might be losing his future at Number 10.

VAUSE: The chair of the U.S. Federal Reserve, Janet Yellen, she put in a toe and just waded a little bit into the Brexit debate, issuing this morning.

MONETTI: Yeah.

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JANET YELLEN, CHAIRWOMAN, U.S. FEDERAL RESERVE: One development that could shift investors' sentiment is the upcoming referendum in the United Kingdom. The U.K. vote to exit the European Union could have significant economic repercussions.

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VAUSE: OK. So when she talks about significant economic repercussions, this is what people want to get sort of pinned down, nailed down, what specifically are they talking about.

MONETTI: Exactly. Well, investors were looking to Ms. Yellen to really clarify this position. She didn't. She took a very cautious approach, which you can understand because there is so much uncertainty in the markets. I mean, the Federal Reserve will meet next week. There is an opportunity there to raise interest rates. It has been rumored that they would raise this month in the United States. But it's more likely that if there is going to be any raise they'll wait till the July meeting, which will take place after the June 23rd vote, so they can see what the impact of the Brexit vote has had on international markets. And all international financial markets are linked. That's why this decision will have ramifications far beyond Britain.

SESAY: So final question. OK. So obviously, there are the economic implications here but there are also political implications here. Are Brits really ready for Germany to dominate not just economically but politically also in Europe?

MONETTI: You see, that is such a slanted question.

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That is not actually the wording of the question on the vote.

VAUSE: Maybe they should put it that way.

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SESAY: Well, I'm talking about historical context here. And again, this comes to, do people understand --

[01:50:10] MONETTI: People -- look, there are so many details to this because basically the E.U. is made up of 28 countries and they rule so many little things, including cell phone prices, you know, across Europe. People are making their own decisions, how it affects them. And that's what a lot of people vote from. And it's going to be a fascinating vote to watch.

SESAY: It is.

VAUSE: You're our Brexit expert. Please come back.

MONETTI: Well, I'm half English, half Italian. I've got a foot in both camps.

VAUSE: Perfect.

Stay with us.

SESAY: Sandro Monetti, thank you.

VAUSE: Thank you.

SESAY: Time fire quick break. The comedian, John Oliver did something on air that is no joke. How he lifted a huge burden off the shoulders of thousands of people.

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SESAY: Welcome back, everyone. There is nothing funny about piling up doctor and hospital bills in America, and it can be a crushing experience.

VAUSE: The comedian and television host, John Oliver, has exposed this cold tough reality and he's actually done something about it. Take a listen.

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[01:54:54] JOHN OLIVER, HBO HOST, LAST WEEK TONIGHT: Debt buying is a grimy business and badly needs more oversight because, as it stands, any idiot can get into it. And I can prove that to you because I'm an idiot and we started a debt-buying company.

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We were soon offered a portfolio of nearly $15 million of out-of- statute medical debt from Texas at a cost of less than half a cent on the dollar, which is less than 60 grand. If I wanted to, I could legally have carp take possession of that list and have employees start calling people, turning their lives upside down over medical debt they no longer had to pay.

We actually decided to go another way. Because we thought instead of collecting on the money why not forgive it? Because on one hand, it's obviously the right thing to do, but much more importantly, we'd be staging the largest one-time giveaway in television show history.

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Because as best we can tell, the most anyone has ever given away on a TV show at one time to date was this:

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OPRAH WINFREY, FORMER HOST, OPRAH WINFREY SHOW: You get a car! You get a car! You get a car!

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OLIVER: You are about to watch me give away $15 million. (EXPLETIVE DELETED) you, Oprah!

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OLIVER: It's done! It is done! I am the new queen of daytime talk!

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VAUSE: Your debts are forgiven and your debts are forgiven and your debt. It was great. He is brilliant.

SESAY: He is.

And you are watching NEWSROOM, L.A. I'm Isha Sesay.

VAUSE: I'm John Vause.

Let's do it again for another hour. Back in a moment.

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