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Clinton Secures Delegates Needed For Nomination; Sources: Obama Ready To Endorse Clinton; Six States Vote In Super Tuesday Primaries; Last Day For Voters To Register In E.U. Referendum; Car Bombing Kills 11 In Istanbul; U.S. Carrier On Round-The-Clock ISIS Bombing Mission; Japanese Boy Left In Woods Goes Home; Republicans Upset with Trump's Attacks on Judge; The Economic Side of Brexit; Rape Victim Pens Letter to Attacker; On Rio's Beaches with Ordering App. Aired 3:30-4p ET

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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Hala Gorani. We're live at CNN London. Thanks for being with us. This is THE WORLD


It is set to be a historic day in U.S. politics. Hillary Clinton has the number of delegates needed to become the Democratic presidential nominee.

That makes her the first woman ever to do so.

But she's not basking in the moment, certainly not yet. Clinton has racked up enough delegates and super delegates to secure her place in history, but

she says she does not want voters staying home in Super Tuesday states like California where rival Bernie Sanders has been campaigning very hard. With

the wrap-up, here's Chris Frates.


HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: According to the news, we are on the brink of an historic, historic unprecedented moment.

CHRIS FRATES, CNN INVESTIGATIONS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Overnight Hillary Clinton clinched enough delegates to become the presumptive

Democratic presidential nominee.

CLINTON: We're going to fight hard for every single vote especially right here in California.

FRATES: But she is not claiming that historic milestone just yet. Instead, focusing on getting her supporters to the polls in the final six

states holding contests today.

BERNIE SANDERS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: In case you haven't noticed, there are a lot of people here tonight. Thank you.

FRATES: Clinton's rival, Bernie Sanders, is insisting that the primary contests aren't over yet. His campaign releasing a statement arguing that

superdelegates can change their minds before the July convention.

Saying, quote, "It is wrong to count the votes of superdelegates before they actually vote at the convention this summer." The senator not

acknowledging Clinton's triumph at a rally in San Francisco but softening his rhetoric when asked about the possibility of endorsing her.

SANDERS: Let's assess where we are after tomorrow before we make statements based on speculation.

FRATES: Clinton is hoping to bring Democrats together quickly after this long and bruising primary season.

CLINTON: I'm going to do everything I can to unify the Democratic Party and I certainly am going to be reaching out to Senator Sanders and hope he

will join me in that because we've got to be unified going into the convention and coming out of the convention.

FRATES: Clinton is poised to get a major boost from President Obama who sources say could endorse her as early as tomorrow and is itching to take

on Donald Trump.


GORANI: Well, as the Democrats still fight for every last vote, let's go live to one of the battleground states. Stephanie Elam is at a polling

station in Los Angeles.

So Stephanie, what are voters telling you about the fact that essentially it appears as though based on some superdelegate pledges that Hillary

Clinton might have already clinched the nomination? Is this changing anything in their behavior, their voting behavior?

STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, normally, Hala, by this point in the primary process California doesn't really matter as much because it is

already said and done. It's different this time because Bernie Sanders had said he's going to go all the way to the convention.

So therefore, there's been a big push by both candidates to get their folks out to vote. People are lining up here. It is about noon here in

California. People are coming in here, lining up. We got a very diverse crowd that's coming through this polling place.

It is one of about 4,500 in Los Angeles County. Overall in the state, there are about 17.9 million people who are registered voters. That's

about 72 percent of the eligible population.

So a lot of people are coming out here to vote because they want to make sure that they have the best person in office and for a lot of Democrats in

this area where we are right now, Hala, a lot of them want to get out to vote for the person that they think will be the best one to beat Donald

Trump. That's what I've heard a few times today.

GORANI: What do Bernie supporters say about Hillary Clinton potentially having reached that number, and also Clinton supporters?

[15:05:05]Do they tell you they think Bernie Sanders at this stage shouldn't hurt the party's chances and should perhaps step aside? What are

they saying?

ELAM: At this point, you see people are saying, listen, this is who I'm going to vote for to be the candidate and this is who I'm going to put my

vote behind. But by the time it gets closer to the convention, they're saying this will all be sorted out.

But a lot of people feel like this is their chance to be heard and no matter what happens and who becomes the final nominee for the party, they

just want to actually have their choices heard at this point.

That's what you are hearing for a lot of the Bernie Sanders people that they believe there is a groundswell of momentum here and it is worth

staying in the fight as long as they can.

And for the Hillary Clinton supporters, a lot of them have been supporters for a long time and they want to come out and really make it clear that she

is the one who will be the nominee for the Democratic Party by the time we get to the convention.

GORANI: All right, Stephanie Elam in Los Angeles at a polling station today, as the final Super Tuesday, one of the states voting today and the

delegate-rich state as well which is so important to the race.

So she has hit the big number, but why was this history making moment anti- climactic? It came out really in the middle of the night, it was an AP report based on a reporter's take, some superdelegate pledges.

Adam Goldberg is a Hillary Clinton supporter. He's also worked in the press office of the previous Clinton administration. Thanks, Mr. Goldberg,

for being with us.

First off all, let me ask you a little bit about whether or not there is -- there has to be some concern as a Hillary Clinton supporter that the party

is still quite divided.

You have Bernie Sanders supporters who say, look, superdelegates are not a reflection of the popular vote, it doesn't happen officially until it

happens at the convention, we're going to keep fighting. How much of a concern is that?

ADAM GOLDBERG, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: I'm not concerned. If you remember eight years ago, Hillary Clinton supporters were very virulently opposed to

Barack Obama. They made a lot of noise about not supporting him. Then Hillary won in California, still withdrew a few days later and everybody

rallied to support Barack Obama. I think the same is going to happen here from Bernie Sanders supporters.

GORANI: I was going to say, Bernie Sanders supporters though are -- perhaps they're kind of operating and acting outside even of the directives

that Bernie Sanders might give them. They're saying there is absolutely no way I will vote for Hillary Clinton. I do not trust her as a candidate.

And I'm not going to cast my vote in favor of Hillary Clinton. Is that not as well an issue there, do you believe?

GOLDBERG: No, because again, I remember Hillary supporters saying the same thing, until she came out and really put her arms around Barack Obama.

Bernie Sanders is going to do the same whether it's tonight, tomorrow, or a month or two months from now. He'll put his arm around. He knows that the

real opponent here is Donald Trump and he'll rally his supporters to prevent Donald Trump from being elected.

GORANI: So the big question is going to be how does Hillary Clinton woo these Bernie Sanders supporters? Because he's brought up some issues that

are important to a very large segment. We've seen it over the last several months of the Democratic electorate. What does she need to do?

GOLDBERG: She needs to appeal to the young voters that he's motivated and the progressive side of the party and she's certainly been doing a good job

of that I think so far. One thing very notable in the Democratic primary opposed to the Republican primary, how close, how similar the policies are

of Bernie and Hillary.

They are really aren't that far apart and I think they'll come along once Bernie Sanders supports -- start supporting Hillary and directing his fire

at Donald Trump.

GORANI: Will it be reflected and should it be reflected in a vice presidential running mate pick?

GOLDBERG: I mean, that's the great divide. Does she choose a liberal progressive like Sherrod Brown from Ohio or does she choose a more

moderate, more closer to the Republicans like Tim Cain (ph) from Virginia. I think she'll go for the latter. I think she'll go for more independent

views. I think Bernie will do a great job with helping to rally the progressives so will Senator Elizabeth Warren from Massachusetts.

GORANI: So you're banking on -- well, Elizabeth Warren might be certainly -- might be expected, but you are banking on Bernie Sanders not just sort

of quietly going away but also actively supporting and campaigning for Hillary Clinton?

GOLDBERG: Absolutely. He has said that he will do everything in his power to make sure that Donald Trump does not get elected president. I believe

him. That means actively supporting Hillary and rallying his supporters.

GORANI: But what would he get in return? What is the -- what would the campaign of Hillary Clinton promise Bernie Sanders at this stage, do you


GOLDBERG: You know, that will be really interesting how it affects the Democratic platform, what kind of issues does she move further left on

minimum wage and issues that really matter to the progressive base.

I think what's far more terrifying to Bernie is the possibility that Donald Trump could be there. The Republicans can maintain their hold in the

Senate and you could have another Republican appointing Supreme Court justices.

So I think he and his supporters will be sufficiently motivated just by the difference between Hillary and Trump.

GORANI: And if you look at national polls pitting Hillary Clinton against Donald Trump, about a week old, so it was before the comments he made about

Judge Curiel, but still, they are neck and neck.

[15:10:07]I mean, there is not a lot of daylight between these two candidates. So what should the strategy be there?

GOLDBERG: Well, I think there is, you know, a good amount of daylight but it's been early. Donald Trump has been beating up on Hillary, you know,

pretty much had a free shot for the last month or so.

She's had to worry about -- Bernie was only -- you know, you mentioned her foreign policy speech last week that was really a great turning point in

time. It had a really bad effect on him and his campaign over the last several days and I think we'll see that continue.

So she has to keep on doing what she did in her foreign policy speech, really drawing differences and really taking him to task.

GORANI: All right, we'll see if that's reflected in the polling. We haven't had any new figures to look at in the last several days. Thanks

very much, Adam Goldberg, who is joining us from Washington, D.C. He supports Hillary Clinton.

GOLDBERG: Thank you.

GORANI: Thank you very much.

Now in the next hour, the British prime minister, David Cameron -- we're so excited about this referendum, we just launched the music a little bit


In the next hour, British Prime Minister David Cameron will make his case for why he believes been should stay firmly inside the European Union. He

will be in a live television event with Ukip's Nigel Farage that's the anti-immigration party.

Although they won't face each other, they'll just take questions separately from the audience. Earlier Cameron held an unannounced news conference on

the vote. Here's what he said when he was asked if he was worried that the "leave" campaign is gaining momentum.


DAVID CAMERON, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: Not at all. What I'm worried about, what I'm concerned about is that people are being told things that

aren't correct, and I don't flow of any better mechanism than to call a press conference and simply make those points.

There's a passionate debate taking place in our country and we should be proud of the fact this is enormous exercise in democracy and enormous

exercise in sovereignty, but we must make this decision on the basis of facts and arguments. And the facts that were put in front of people

yesterday and the day before simply aren't the case.


GORANI: Let's get more on this. I'm joined by our senior diplomatic editor, Nic Robertson. So David Cameron is coming out. Clearly he wants

to make a point. We're -- how many days away now? We are 15 days or so away. Is he concerned?

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: He certainly sounds it. He's recognized what everyone else has seen, that the "leave" campaign

has got some momentum off their statements on immigration last week. And that seems to be a worry and that seems to have prompted him to come out


Obviously, this is sort of going to be a centrist conversation that he'll have with the audience tonight to try to win them back over. There is a

sense that David Cameron early on out got his out his big arguments, which was money and it's been dubbed "project fear."

And every time he talks about this issue, it comes -- there is a negative consequence to it. That it may be right. We don't know. He can't prove

it this dubbed "project fear."

GORANI: This television event tonight pits him, not directly, but with the same audience against Nigel Farage, who is a very controversial anti-

immigration political leader. What does that tell us about this debate in Britain today?

ROBERTSON: It is tight. It is close, but it is kind of interesting. David Cameron before he was prime minister, before he led the conservative

party was communications director. He knows to do how these things. He's good in front of an audience.

Nigel Farage is quite charismatic. He is good in these sorts of situations, no doubt, that he's going to get tough questions from this


But the way this has been constructed -- I think we can understand here that David Cameron and his team has had a say in how it is constructed --

he gets to go second so he gets to put down, if you will, everything that Nigel Farage says and important for him will be to paint --

GORANI: How do they decide who goes first and who goes second because there is clearly an advantage --

ROBERTSON: These things are discussed and debated and they seemed to be coming out on the prime minister's terms. What he's going to want to do is

paint Nigel Farage as sort of the main character, the character he was mean type little Briton and he'll try to paint the rest of the Brexit campaign

in that light.

GORANI: Now there is a statistic that could play in -- or could be interpreted as going in the direction of those who want to remain in

Europe. Voter registration has surged just in the last few days as the deadline approaches. Take a look at the numbers of young voters signing

up, 73,000 under the age of 25. More than 74,000 between 25 and 34. That is significant, why?

ROBERTSON: It could be significant. Let's put it that way. Yesterday, 6th of June, 226,000 people registered. Two-thirds of them were young

people below the age of 34. Young people below the age of 34 are generally predisposed to voting to remain in Britain.

GORANI: (Inaudible) nothing else?

[15:15:05]ROBERTSON: That's got to be good, right? You will think that, but guess what, they are also about the worst category of people in Britain

to actually get out and vote. So while they might have registered --

GORANI: But they've registered. That already sort of implies --

ROBERTSON: It does, doesn't it, but registering is a whole lot easier than getting out your frontdoor and going to the polling station and doing

something you may not have done before. Statistically here they may be engaged, may be motivated, may want to talk about it when it comes to it,

but they may not actually vote. So while it looks positive, that's good.

GORANI: All right, well, we'll see how that all develops. You've registered to vote, I take it.

ROBERTSON: Indeed, I have.

GORANI: OK, I can't. I'm not a U.K. citizen so I'm not allowed to vote --

ROBERTSON: Don't try to sway me.

GORANI: No, but -- by the way, we will be speaking with a top Citi economist who is pro-Brexit. It will be interesting to hear her take.

Thanks very much, Nic Robertson.

A lot more to come this evening and much more as I mentioned on that Brexit debate. I'll be speaking to that top economist who supports Britain

leaving the E.U. Why is that? How does she justify her position? We'll look at that.

But first, another horrific scene in Istanbul after the fourth bombing there this year. We'll have the latest on the investigation when we come



GORANI: Well, Turkey's president is vowing to fight terrorists until the end, he says, after yet another deadly attack in Istanbul. It was a car

bombing this time and it targeted a police bus near the heart of the city's historic district today. Lots of tourists are usually there. University

students as well.

Seven police officers, four civilians were killed. Now a state media says that some suspects are being questioned and nobody's been identified.

CNN's Ian Lee has more.


IAN LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A car bomb targeting a police bus in the heart of Istanbul Beyazit, Vezneciler District during the morning

rush hour. This amateur video shows the damage in a nearby hotel and the wreckage of the police bus targeted. (Inaudible) was in the area when the

explosion happened.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): We heard the sound of an explosion. They exploded the bomb when the police bus was passing by. It

was a car laden with bombs. The car was waiting right there. They detonated it while the police bus was driving past. Ambulances arrived at

the site immediately. The police were already here.

LEE: The blast hit in an area near the main tourist district, a major university and the mayor's office.

VASIP SAHIN, GOVERNOR, ISTANBUL PROVINCE (through translator): At 8:40 a.m. local time in the Vezneciler District, a car bomb was made against

vehicles carrying our rapid response police, may God have mercy upon their souls.

LEE: Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says the attack was unforgivable and was clear his fight against terrorism will continue.

[15:20:07]RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN, TURKISH PRESIDENT (through translator): Let me tell you this very clearly that the terrorist organization

distinguishing between the police and civilians or between soldiers and civilians does not make any difference for us.

After all, they are all humans. What they have done is against humans. What is the duty of our police, army and village guards? To protect the

safety of the whole nation and security of our people and their lives and property.

These steps, the terror actions, are being taken against these people. So there is nothing forgivable about what they have done.

LEE: Another blow for a country that has suffered multiple terror attacks this year. Ian Lee, CNN.


GORANI: Well, there's also a country that's worried about terrorist attacks in France. In fact, some security drills have been taking place.

One is happening right now just three days ahead of the Euro 2016 football championships. Now security, as you can imagine, is tight ahead of that

big tournament, 100,000 forces are deployed to try to make sure the country is safe from attacks.

Britain's foreign office has released new guidance ahead of Euro 2016 warning of potential attacks, specifically associated with ISIS. Now the

foreign office says during euro 2016, stadiums, fan zones, venues broadcasting the tournament, transport hubs and links represent potential

targets for terrorist attacks. We should be vigilant at all times. This is coming from official government sources here in the United Kingdom.

And the fierce battle to drive ISIS out of Syria and Iraq is gaining ground. Syrian forces are pushing into Raqqa province. Not the city

itself but around it. Iraqi forces have stormed Southern Fallujah. Our Fred Pleitgen reports from a U.S. carrier that is playing a key role in

that mission.


FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Even in the night, the "USS Harry Truman's" operations never stop. A

relentless round-the-clock bombing campaign against ISIS, now in a critical stage. Many missions means lots of bombs need to be ready all the time.

Aviation ordinance man, Ronald Kennedy, from Baltimore, Maryland, shows me some of the most common munitions like this 500-pound guided bomb.

RONALD KENNEDY, AVIATION ORDINANCE MAN, USS HARRY TRUMAN: This is a (inaudible), most common, we drop these on regular. We also hold some air-

to-air missiles, but air-to-ground right now bombs are a favorite.

PLEITGEN: Ordinance men and women constantly haul bombs and missiles into elevators headed to the carrier's flight deck where they are mounted to the


KENNEDY: We (inaudible). We had to build the bomb and stuff like that and first (inaudible) then we have to actually assemble the tail piece. Then

we actually is put it all together, assemble it.

PLEITGEN: This carrier has targeted ISIS more than any other ship in America's fleet. First from the Persian Gulf, and now closer to Syria in

the Mediterranean.

(on camera): The crew the "USS Harry Truman" has dropped more than 1.5 million pounds of ammunition on ISIS targets over the last couple of months

and now that the ship is here in the Mediterranean, the bombing runs are continuing at a high pace.

(voice-over): That's helped push ISIS back both in Iraq and Syria where allied forces seem close to liberating several of the group's strongholds.

But the fast pace of operations also means working overtime for maintenance and logistics crews preparing aircrafts and moving them in and out of the

hangar bay.

Now in the seventh month of the "Truman's" deployment, commanders say they try to make clear to all those on board that they are making a difference

as ISIS continues to lose ground.

CAPTAIN RYAN B. SCHOLL, COMMANDING OFFICER, USS HARRY TRUMAN: We try to explain to each sailor knows as they get their different job with, they

know that -- I think the initial numbers were 25 percent. Now we are up to ISIS losing 45 percent of the ground that they had in Iraq. So those

numbers are tangible to them.

PLEITGEN: The "Truman's" crew will remain here for several more weeks, continuing their intense aerial campaign against ISIS no matter what time

of day. Fred Pleitgen, CNN, aboard the "USS Harry Truman" in the Mediterranean Sea.


GORANI: In Japan, a happy homecoming despite the many questions that remain. It is a story we've been following since last week when a 7-year-

old boy disappeared in the woods for six days. On Tuesday, he finally went home from the hospital. But as Alexandra Field reports, the investigation

into what happened exactly and his parents' role in it is not over.


ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's finally time to go home for Yamato Tanooka (ph), the 7-year-old boy lost in the woods for six

days. Leaving Japan's (inaudible) city hospital, he bravely says he's OK.

Doctors treated him for signs of dehydration and malnutrition, but they say he's in good condition for someone who survived for so long without food.

[15:25:05]Tanooka found shelter and water but nothing to eat in an empty Japanese military base. Two hundred rescue workers and Japanese self-

defense forces searched for him after his father left him on the side of a road.

Punishment for being naughty on a family trip says the man who tells police his son was throwing rocks at other cars and people. The boy had

disappeared by the time he returned. His father has apologized for what he says was meant to be a lesson.

TAKAYUKI TANOOKA, FATHER (through translator): I never thought the situation would end like this. I deeply regret my actions which were too


FIELD: Police are not pursuing criminal charges against Takayuki Tanooka. He bowed deeply to doctors before taking his 7-year-old home. But social

services will still investigate whether there was psychological abuse against a boy who says he's just eager to get back to school. Alexandra

Field, CNN.


GORANI: Just ahead, he's disgusted by Donald Trump's attack on a judge calling it the textbook definition of a racist remark. And yet, U.S. House

Speaker Paul Ryan says the candidate he endorsed is still preferable to Hillary Clinton.

Plus, it is impossible to overstate the anger inspired by an American rape case. We will have the details and what is next for the rapist and

possibly the judge in the case. We'll be right back.


GORANI: Welcome back. A look at our top stories. Hillary Clinton is, for now at least, downplaying a historic achievement. But that could change

within hours after the polls close on this final Super Tuesday of the U.S. presidential primary season.

CNN's delegate count shows she has passed the threshold to secure the Democratic nomination. She's the first woman ever to claim that feat for

either major American political party.

No one has claimed has responsibility for a deadly bombing in Istanbul today. But Turkish state media report that authorities now have four

suspects in custody. The blast targeted a police bus during morning rush hour killing seven officers, as well as four civilians.

Also among the top stories here in the program -- word from Italy that former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi is hospitalized right now in Milan.

He was taken there because of some heart related problems. The 79-year-old has had ongoing heart issues and uses a pacemaker.



GORANI (voice-over): Back now to the race for the White House.

Donald Trump does not have to worry about the vote count from Super Tuesday contests. He's already the presumptive Republican nominee, of course. But

he is facing a deepening backlash from his own party over comments he refuses to rescind.

A short time ago, Senate Republican leader, Mitch McConnell, called on Trump to stop attacking minority groups. Many Republicans are upset that

Trump is accusing a judge of bias because he is of Mexican heritage.

Today the House Speaker, Paul Ryan, had this to say.


REP. PAUL RYAN (R-WI), HOUSE SPEAKER: I disavow these comments. I regret those comments that he made. I don't think that claiming a person can't do

the job because of their race is sort of like the textbook definition of a racist comment.


GORANI: Well, strong words there. Yet, Ryan says the man he endorsed for president is still his preference against Hillary Clinton.

Let's bring in CNN political commentator and Republican strategist, Doug Heye. He's the former communications director for the Republican National


Doug, thanks for being with us once again.


GORANI: Is this -- finally Teflon Donald Trump, we can call him that, right?

Because he's said some outrageous things in the past. It's never hurt him in the polls. In fact, in the primary process, maybe it even helped him.

But in this particular case, will this hurt his campaign, do you think?

HEYE: It sure appears that it has done so, not just today but over the past few days. And there are a few reasons for that.

One, I would go back to Friday's jobs report, which is something that Donald Trump could have taken aim at the administration at, taken aim at

Hillary Clinton at and united Republicans on a message of growing jobs and the economy. He failed to do so.

Two, we've had reports of this conference call, where Trump has doubled down on this and said go after the journalists who ask you questions about

this, that people who are not supportive of Trump on the issue of a Mexican judge -- which is obviously a crazy issue that doesn't affect voters -- is

something that they should use to go after their opponents.

And that shows that Donald Trump isn't off message here. He's on message. This is what he wants to talk about. It's every other campaign that's --

every other Republican campaign --


GORANI: Well, we know, Doug, that in the primary process, this helped him to a degree, right?

Because he was the guy who just spoke without a filter; he was kind of refreshing to some voters because he wasn't that standard kind of made-in-

Washington politician.

Is it possible that in this case, as well, some of his supporters will continue to think that this un-PC (sic) candidate is what the Republican

Party needs?

HEYE: No doubt if you are a Trump supporter, you've responded to this message so far. His supporters and surrogates are being instructed to

continue to push this. So they'll be there.

But when you look at things like what Paul Ryan said today at an event where he was unveiling an anti-poverty agenda to give House Republicans

something positive to campaign about, these comments are unwelcome.

If you look at what Mitch McConnell says, other Republican members of the Senate or of the House have said, they've got problems with it. And

frankly, Trump surrogates are having a real problem --


GORANI: They're supporting him --

HEYE: -- defending this with --

GORANI: -- I mean, this is the issue, though. Paul Ryan can say these things but, in the end, he has thrown his support behind Donald Trump. And

he is the highest ranking Republican in Washington.

This is really a contradictory message, is it not?

HEYE: Well, I think it demonstrates the absolute problem that Republicans find themselves in. There are no good solutions here if you're Paul Ryan

or Mitch McConnell. You want to be focused on jobs and the economy.

Paul Ryan, again, today unveiled an agenda that's an anti-poverty agenda. But we're not talking about that. We are talking about the latest outrage

du jour that Donald Trump has created and that he's proactively created.

Again, this is what he wants to be talking about for whatever reason.

But there are no voters out there who are identifying this as something that moves the country forward. And as you're Hillary Clinton tonight and

you're going to try and bring your party together, this is exactly where you want things to be. Hillary Clinton talking about bringing Democrats

together, bringing in the Bernie voters, while Donald Trump is fighting with his own party over racism.

GORANI: Well, Lindsey Graham in "The New York Times" said essentially, paraphrasing him, if anyone was looking for an off-ramp, this is probably

the off-ramp, essentially saying, if any top-level Republicans want an out that doesn't make them look like they're reversing course, this could be


HEYE: Yes, absolutely. Look, I took my off-ramp back in January, where I realized I couldn't support Trump. And you are seeing more Republicans say

that they don't know if they're going to support him in November.

I think we will see more as these kinds of behaviors continue from Trump. And that's ultimately the problem. He's not unifying the party. Need a

month's head start to unify the party. Hillary Clinton's just getting to the point where she can do that tonight and she's already ahead of the game

of Trump.

GORANI: Should he apologize, do you think?

HEYE: Yes, absolutely. But of course he won't do that. Look, we know that Donald Trump, if he does anything, he doubles down on what he

perceives as his strengths. He doubles down on any kind of attack that he has. He'll never apologize for this. And if he does, I think it would

shock his supporters.

But there's also the political reality of this is not just hurting Republicans in November for the presidential ballot. You have senators who

are vulnerable senators --


HEYE: -- Republican senators running for re-election, vulnerable members of the House of Representatives. This is the last thing that they want to

be talking about but it's also the only thing that they get asked about.

GORANI: All right.

But do you think then that it was a mistake that these top-level Republicans threw their support behind Donald Trump?

I mean, do you think strategically this wasn't the right thing to do then?

HEYE: Well, I think it was a strategic admission of the reality that Republicans are in. It's a terrible situation. Nobody would say that this

is ideal for them. They obviously want to support the Republican nominee, want to defeat Hillary Clinton. The Supreme Court is a big reason why.

But the comments that we've seen from Trump over the past three or four days, again, this is what he wants to talk about. He is on message,

bizarrely, right now, is what gives so many of them pause.

GORANI: But it's their own doing, isn't it?

The Republican elites, they are the ones who can field the candidate who could make it past very important primary votes, including Jeb Bush, who

was probably the favorite going into this.

HEYE: Right. And look, Jeb Bush is somebody who's said he won't vote for Trump in November. Lindsey Graham has said that he probably won't do so

now. There are a lot of Republicans who are troubled by this, wherever they fall on the spectrum of will they support Trump or not support Trump.

But what we know is Republicans are more and more saying they've got real problems with this. And even some of the Trump supporters that you see

defending Trump on air can't do so on things like this with any credibility. It makes that case even harder for them.

GORANI: All right. We'll wait for the next poll. They're not always accurate but we haven't had one since that -- the comments he made about

that judge.

Doug Heye, always a pleasure, thanks very much, the former communications director for the RNC.

And you can watch the results roll in on this final Super Tuesday of primary voting in the U.S., all night coverage, right here on CNN, starts

at midnight in London, 1:00 am Central European time.


GORANI: You know when you hear that big symphonic arrangement that we're going to talk Brexit.

Hundreds of thousands of people in the U.K. are registering to vote ahead of that referendum on E.U. membership, which happens on June 23rd.

Voters in the U.K. have until the end of Tuesday to make sure they are on the electoral register. The U.K.'s electoral commission says 226,000

people submitted applications on Monday, up from 34,000 one week ago.

Younger people are making up the bulk of those registering. Two-thirds of Monday's registrations were from people under the age of 35. And that

could be significant as polls suggest younger people are more likely to vote to remain in the E.U. than older people.

Let's get more on the economic side of this debate. I'm joined by Ruth Lea, an economic advisor with Arbuthnot (ph) Banking Group and a supporter

of Britain leaving the U.K. and a top economist here in London.

Thanks so much for joining us.

Why are you for a Brexit?

RUTH LEA, ECONOMIST: It's democracy. I want to live in a self-governed democracy like most of the countries in the world. After all, when you're

in the E.U., you're in a quasi-federal institution, with when E.U. law has primacy over British law and the supreme court in this land is actually

European Court of Justice.

I would like to live in an independent country basically.

GORANI: What are your -- you're a top economist, what are the economic arguments for Brexit?

LEA: I think once we are out, we can decide we can actually do something about the regulations. We could repeal or amend some of the most irksome



GORANI: Such as?

LEA: Like the working time directive or some of the environmental regulations, perhaps ease some of the financial regulations. There are an

awful lot of it that it could be considered. And of course it would be up to the government in the late day to do that.

GORANI: Are these fundamental things, though, considering how much money E.U. migrants bring to the U.K. economy?

There is a net benefit.

LEA: Well, like I say, when it comes to migrants, it's very dubious whether actually it helps the indigenous population. It would help

migrants, there's no doubt about that.

But whether it actually helps the people who already live here is very, very questionable. And of course if we leave, we probably won't continue

with freedom of movement of labor. But under those circumstances, you could actually have a nondiscriminatory immigration policy which doesn't

discriminate between E.U. and non-E.U. nationals, which it does for moment.

GORANI: Why is it debatable that E.U. migrants don't provide a net benefit to the economy?

I mean, every single study I've seen indicates that, on some level or other, through the taxes they pay, through the goods and services they

consume here in the U.K., there is a net benefit to the economy.

But you're disputing that?

LEA: I am disputing it because I do not believe there is enough allowance made for the burden on the social services or the costs of having schools

and hospitals which are used of course by migrants. Of course those used by migrants. No -- but --

GORANI: But they're used by anyone who --

LEA: -- of course they do. But what I'm saying is a lot of those studies don't allow properly for those costs. Hence, they're very, very

questionable studies.

The second thing of course is that you say, oh, yes, goods and services, et cetera, et cetera. But you think, well, this gain, it might just do with

our GDP but does it actually stimulate GDP per capita, which is actually a better measure of living standards?


GORANI: OK. But you do concede, though, that most of the migrants who come here come here to work; they come here and pay taxes. And nobody

really is going to come to the U.K. and sit here and be a benefit recipient for no other reason than because benefits here are so --


LEA: -- but I would like to have a nondiscriminatory immigration policy and that's what we could have if we left. And then of course there are a

couple of other things economically which are beneficial if we leave.

One is that we'd have our own trade deals, which we cannot have at the moment. We can't have them with Australia or New Zealand or India or

China, Japan or, indeed, the United States of America.

And the second thing is, of course, we do pay (INAUDIBLE) into the E.U. budget and we would not have to do that if we left.

So there are four reasons, four good economic reasons, I believe, why, in the longer term, Britain would be better off out.

GORANI: You're not at all concerned that, even if just to make a point, if the U.K. exited or brexited (sic) that other E.U. countries -- namely

Germany, France, the powerful E.U. members -- would not give the U.K. preferential treatment on trade deals simply because, well, you decided to

leave and just, you know, go to the back of the queue and we'll deal with you later?

LEA: Enough of this back of the queue thing because as far as America's concerned, it's an (INAUDIBLE) trade deal in the queue and that's TTIP.

But never mind. We'll leave it on one side.

But I think if they did that, then it's not in their commercial interests. So they wouldn't be behaving in a commercially rational way.

Because after all, the Britain has a very large trade deficit with the European Union. It's about 90 billion in terms of goods last year, which

is very considerable, 30 billion alone with Germany. Think about it. That's 1.5 percent of U.K. GDP is actually the trade deficit with Germany.

Now are you telling me that the German exporters, of whether BMWs or Audis or Porsches or whatever would say, oh, we don't like this idea that Britain

is leaving the E.U.?

GORANI: The carmakers -- but the government might say, look, we have a couple of years, we're not going to give you the exact deal that you want

because you just chose to leave.

LEA: I think it's true to say that Berlin is pretty sensitive to its exporters.

GORANI: All right. Well, Ruth Lea, thank you very much. We really appreciate this. And we hope to have you on again because this is --

LEA: When we've -- when we've won.

GORANI: When your side has won or lost. We'll see.

And by the way, I was going to say just one more thing, you saw the latest voter registrations, that most of those who've registered are in that age

group that certainly leans heavily toward Remain, not Brexit.

LEA: Well, possibly, if they vote. We will see.


LEA: Speaking as an older person, I'm going to vote.

GORANI: I'm sure you are. Thank you very much, Ruth Lea. We really appreciate you visiting us in the studio.

And check out our Facebook page, There we will post our interviews from tonight's program, as well as other interesting

reports that we've aired in this show.

All right. We're going to take a quick break. And when we come back, he's guilty of sexual assault. And his father calls his sentence a steep price

for 20 minutes of action. The worldwide outrage at the Stanford rape case. We'll have that when we come back.





GORANI: Well, anger is an understatement; if you spend any time online, you've likely seen the caustic reaction to an American rape case.

Every aspect, from the graphic details revealed by the victim to the lenient sentence handed down, to the strange statement by the convict's

father, every detail, it seems, is infuriating the public. Isha Sesay has the story.


ISHA SESAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A terrible crime compounded by its aftermath: outrage over a sentence some feel is too lenient. The case

highlighting questions of liability, punishment and American society's attitude towards sexual assault.

On Thursday, former Stanford student Brock Turner was sentenced to six months imprisonment after being convicted on three felony assault charges.

The prosecution had sought a sentence of six years.

The woman was unconscious at the time she was assaulted on the university campus. The incident occurred after a party during which both had consumed

excessive amounts of alcohol.

Turner will also be placed on the sex offender's register for life. His victim spoke out in a statement read at sentencing. Earlier, CNN's

Ashleigh Banfield read part of the statement on the "LEGAL VIEW."

ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, CNN HOST: "One day, I was at work, scrolling through the news on my phone and I came across an article. In it, I read and

learned for the first time about how I was found unconscious, with my hair disheveled, long necklace wrapped around my neck, bra pulled out of my

dress, dress pulled off over my shoulders and pulled up above my waist, that I was butt naked all the way down to my boots, legs spread apart and

had been penetrated by a foreign object by someone I did not recognize.

"I learned what happened to me the same time everyone else in the world learned what happened to me."

SESAY (voice-over): Brock Turner's father has further fueled anger surrounding the case, penning a letter to the judge, in which he states,

"His life will never be the one he dreamed about and worked so hard to achieve.

"That is a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action out of his 20-plus years of life."

Social media reaction has been vitriolic, with many questioning why Turner's father would depict his son as a victim of the incident and the

prosecution has also condemned the apparent leniency of the sentence.

District Attorney Jeff Rosen said, "The sentence does not factor in the true seriousness of the sexual assault or the victim's ongoing trauma.

Campus rape is no different than off-campus rape. Rape is rape."

While Brock Turner denies he committed rape, his victim only became aware of the assault when she woke up in the hospital and was asked to sign

papers marked "rape victim" before being allowed to shower. Stanford University has expressed regret over what happened. But in a statement,

claimed it had done everything in its power to ensure justice in the case.

"This was a horrible incident and we understand the anger and deep emotion it has generated. There is still much work to be done, not just here, but

everywhere to create a culture that does not tolerate sexual violence in any form and a judicial system that deals appropriately with sexual assault

cases." Isha Sesay, CNN, Los Angeles.


GORANI: Well, Sara Sidner has been following this story. And she joins us from our Los Angeles bureau.

So, Sara, when I read that victim impact statement a few days ago, I had no idea that it become this worldwide viral story and so many people

expressing anger.

But I think the anger really escalated when people were made aware of the letter the father wrote to the judge and then the relatively lenient


Now the judge is also becoming a target here, right?

SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's correct. It's not just at the perpetrator of the crime or at his father for some of the words he used,

like "20 minutes of action."

But it is now directed at the judge and not just directed at the judge with angry tweets and anger on social media but there are people who -- more

than 300,000 who have signed an online petition to try to get the judge recalled.

And now there is a Stanford law professor, who has started her own recall page. And obviously, you have to have those voters involved who can

actually make the recall become a reality. And so she has pushed forward her own recall page.

And so far there is about $8,000 in donations that's gone towards that. So the judge has certainly become a lightning rod in this case because of that

six-month sentence and also because the prosecution had asked for six years and the total amount that --


SIDNER: -- the highest maximum he could have gotten was 14.

So we are talking about six months as opposed to either six or 14. A lot of folks really upset about that. And they are claiming privilege. And

here's why.

They are looking at the judge and looking at his prior history. He was a Stanford grad. That's where he went to undergraduate school. He was also

an athlete, according to the "Stanford Daily," which is the school newspaper.

He was the captain of a lacrosse team for a year at Stanford. This person who he has sentenced to this short sentence for six months was also a

Stanford athlete. And so people are looking at his history.

But I also want to read you something that he put out there, Hala, in 2002, when he was running for the judgeship. He was, at the time, a prosecutor

himself, he was a deputy district attorney. And here's what Aaron Persky (ph) wrote. As part of his bio to get people to vote for him, he talks

about sexual assault.

He says, "I became a criminal prosecutor for the Santa Clara County district attorney's office, where I now prosecute sex crimes and hate

crimes. I focus on the prosecution of sexually violent predators, working to keep the most dangerous sex offenders in custody in mental hospitals."

So clearly he was running in his first attempt at becoming a judge, which he did become a judge, on this idea that sexual predators need to be


And people are looking at that and going, how does that weigh with the fact that, now, as a judge, and looking at the person that was the defendant,

how did he give him just six months if he is tough on sexual violence?

So there's a lot of questions out there and a lot of folks are really angry, want him recalled -- Hala.

GORANI: And we'll see how -- where that goes.

But the convicted offender himself is going to appeal, I understand?

SIDNER: So his defense, his attorney has said that he is going to appeal. We also know that his attorney made some statements, that the victim

herself had said, well, this person should not rot in jail, that he indeed shouldn't spend any jail time.

That the victim balked at in her statement. She says, I absolutely did say that he shouldn't rot in jail but I certainly did not say that he shouldn't

spend any time in jail.

And she herself feels like this is an absolutely ridiculous sentence, that he should spent some time, not in jail but in prison, which requires at

least a two-year sentence.

So there is a lot of consternation and a lot of words kind of going back and forth but the only person that can do anything further criminally is

the defense. And they can appeal this case, which, indeed, the defense attorney said he was going to do -- Hala.

GORANI: All right, Sara Sidner, covering that story, which has become a worldwide story, thanks very much from L.A.

We'll be right back.



GORANI: To go or not to go to the Olympics. That's the question many athletes and spectators are asking as they weigh the risks of the Zika


Brazilian health officials Tuesday called a news conference. They are trying, just a few weeks away from the Olympics, trying to put those fears

to rest.

Zika has been linked to birth defects. The World Health Organization is advising pregnant women to avoid areas where the virus is active. That

would include Rio de Janeiro. But Brazil's chief medical officer now says the risk of the average visitor getting Zika is low to none.

Now for those planning to catch a little sun between Olympic events, a Brazilian entrepreneur says she has just the thing --


GORANI: -- a new app that enables beachgoers to order anything they want, pretty much, all from the comfort of a beach chair. Here is a fun,

positive story ahead of the Olympics with our Shasta Darlington.


SHASTA DARLINGTON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Out here on Rio's beaches, you can find almost anything under the sun, chilled drums

of iced tea, a brand new bikini or rent a beach chair that comes with wi- fi.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm just on vacation here and I came here just because they have wi-fi.

DARLINGTON (voice-over): Now there's a new app that puts it all at your fingertips, Napraya (ph) or On the Beach. Order what you need and vendors

bring the items to you.

It's the Uber of Rio's white sands, according to founder Carol Machis (ph).

"Everybody wants to adapt to this new tendency," she says, improving sales and service based on user feedback. Beach vendors get a free phone, a 4G

plan and intensive training on how to take advantage of all the new data.

"It's not hard," he says. "I think in a day or even an hour you can figure it out."

Beachgoers can sign up with a credit card. No more lost coins, also making it safer for both buyers and sellers after a rash of beach robberies; 400

vendors are lining up to join, just in time for the 2016 Olympic Games.

"Everything's available in English and Spanish," she says.

"And by the Olympics, we hope to have French and Italian and, if everything works out, even Mandarin."

Of course, we figure we have to try it out.

How about an umbrella, beach chair and coconut water?

That was easy. Just a few clicks and now look what I get to do for the rest of the day. And it's tasty -- Shasta Darlington, CNN, Rio de Janeiro.


GORANI: Tough assignment. I wish I had that app here.

Now trapped and oddly fascinating. Take a look at this fish, stuck, helpless, inside a jellyfish. An ocean photographer captured this

unbelievable image off the coast of Australia.

Now what's unbelievable about it is that the jellyfish just swallowed this fish whole and he was still alive inside of it when the jellyfish was

moving. Scientists say they've never seen anything like it. Ultimately the photographer said instead of saving poor little Nemo, aww, he just let

nature take its course.

I'm Hala Gorani. QUEST MEANS BUSINESS is next.