Return to Transcripts main page
Hala Gorani Tonight
U.S. President Endorses Clinton After Sanders Meeting; Israeli Announces Key Arrest After Terror Attack; Pakistani Teen Strangled, Set On Fire; Modi Selling India's Economic, Tech Boom; CNN Sits Down With India's Biggest Names; Obama Endorses Clinton For President; Immigration Hotly Contested In Brexit Debate; Will Rio Be Ready?; Fans Pay Respects To Muhammad Ali; Lennox Lewis Speaks To CNN About Muhammad Ali. Harry Potter Fans Spellbound By Stage Play. Aired 3-4p ET
Aired June 09, 2016 - 15:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(HEADLINES)
HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Hala Gorani. We are coming to you live from CNN London on this Thursday evening. Thanks
for being with us. This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
We begin the show this evening with a crucial endorsement. The first African-American president throwing his support behind the woman who could
become the first female president. It would be historic.
Barack Obama finally breaking his silence on the Democratic race, backing Hillary Clinton in a video released on her campaign website. Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Look, I know how hard this job can be. That's why I know Hillary will be so good at it. In
fact, I don't think there's ever been someone so qualified to hold this office. She's got the courage, the compassion and the heart to get the job
done.
And I say that as somebody who had to debate her more than 20 times. Even after our own hard fought campaign in a testament to her character, she
agreed to serve our country as secretary of state.
The decisions we made from the situation room to get Bin Laden to the diplomacy she exhibits in other capitals of the world, I've seen her
commitment and values up close. I've seen her determination to give every American a fair shot at opportunity no matter how tough the fight was.
That's what has always driven her, and it still does. So I want those of you who have been with me from the beginning of this incredible journey to
be the first to know that I'm with her.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: All right, Barack Obama there, as you can see, a produced piece of video there with pictures of Hillary Clinton throughout her career as
secretary of state, older pictures as well of her as a younger woman.
Obama's endorsement just an hour after he met with Clinton rival Bernie Sanders at the White House. Let's bring in our guest, Josh Rogin is a CNN
political commentator. He is live in Washington this hour.
Marc Lamont Hill is a political commentator and host of "BET News." He joins us live from New York. Thanks to both of you.
I'm going to start with you, Josh Rogin. Let's talk a little bit about this Bernie Sanders visit to the White House. He has not dropped out, of
course. He is saying he is going to fight on.
But clearly the president and Bernie Sanders -- and this was confirmed by Josh Earnest, the press secretary, are discussing the future. Do you
believe that the president is discussing important potential roles for Bernie Sanders going forward?
JOSH ROGIN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, yes, I think Bernie Sanders is asking the president and the Clinton campaign, the Democratic Party at
large for concessions, for things that he wants to keep his movement and his supporters in a position of influence not just going into this election
but even after this election.
These concessions could be a number of things. It could be influence over the party platform, influence over the convention, who speaks at the
convention or it could be longer term things. They want changes in the rules about how Democratic elections and Democratic primaries are organized
in the future and hope their movement might have a better chance in future cycles.
You know, Bernie Sanders has some leverage here because the enthusiasm not only that the data and e-mail lists and the organization that he's built up
could benefit not only Hillary Clinton but Senate democrats who are racing Republicans down the line. But that leverage is limited.
Now that the primary's officially over, at least according to President Obama, the Sanders campaign would be wise to get what concessions they can
and then step aside.
[15:05:09]GORANI: All right, I just want our viewers to listen to what Bernie Sanders said after his meeting with President Obama just a few hours
ago in Washington. Then we'll get back to you.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BERNIE SANDERS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Donald Trump would clearly, to my mind, and I think the majority of Americans, be a disaster as president
of the United States. It is unbelievable to me -- and I say this in all sincerity -- that the Republican Party would have a candidate for president
who in the year 2016 makes bigotry and discrimination the cornerstone of his campaign.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: All right, Marc Lamont Hill, what impact will the President Obama endorsement have, do you think, on the campaign? This is now a general
election.
MARC LAMONT HILL, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, it signals the official end of primary season for people, although the official end will be
obviously after D.C. primary. The president issue is his endorsement based on the historical precedent and the president's own actions this cycle
suggests that it is time to think about the general election and for voters in many respects to be pragmatic.
Now there will be people from the Bernie Sanders camp who will say we'll fight on, we don't want Hillary Clinton. There will be people on the right
who will say we don't want Donald Trump. That obviously will happen.
But at the core this signals a kind of galvanizing of the party. Bernie Sanders' remarks today combine with what will happen very soon, which I
think is a more formal role for Bernie Sanders will signal for many voters it is time to move on.
GORANI: And what about Donald Trump in all of this? Because after his comments on the judge, he's now had members of the Republican Party very
high-profile ones -- though they are not withdrawing their support -- certainly condemned what he said. How has that changed things? Because
people have predicted the demise of Donald Trump time and time again. Is this different, Josh?
ROGIN: Yes. I think what we can see is a clear difference between only a few weeks ago when the Republican side seemed to have wrapped up their
primary first and seemed to be in the better position and the Democrats were still fighting it out.
Now the Democrats seemed more unified and Donald Trump has spent an entire week just defending or trying to avoid talking about some really
impractical steps that he took, some really bad remarks that he took.
He's just tried to keep the Republican Party together. That's before he even starts fundraising, before he starts organizing. It seems like he's
way behind and it seems like he's on his heels. But as you noted, he's been counted out a few times before.
GORANI: And Marc, by the way, I'm sure you all saw that Donald Trump after the Obama endorsement tweeted, "He wants four more years of Obama but
nobody else does." Then Clinton's camp shot back -- "delete your account," which was kind of amusing.
Although I think what Hillary Clinton -- it is pretty funny. I think what Hillary Clinton herself tweets she signs "h." Maybe this was a campaign
staffer.
What do you make of that? Because I mean, Donald Trump is the one that's been campaigning so much on Twitter. Now you have this kind of -- funny
has to be said comeback by the Hillary camp.
HILL: Well, it means that she's not going to concede any ground to him, not on the campaign trail, not in the Twitter verse, nowhere. I think it
is important for her to meet him as his level without stooping to his level.
In other words, if he's on the campaign trail, she needs to be out there more. If he's giving press conferences, she probably needs to do that as
well as she did last week with her foreign policy talk.
And if he's on the internet, she needs to be there. Obviously she will do it in a more responsible and professional way in her estimation, but it is
important to meet Trump where he is and not concede any ground to him. She will give him all the fight that he wants this summer. It is going to be a
long, wild summer.
GORANI: And in terms of President Obama, Marc, accompanying Hillary or showing up at campaign events, for instance Wisconsin is a state that he
won both times he campaigned for president why is that important? Do they believe there is a real weakness in some states that the president can help
her with?
HILL: It is not just a state that they won. It is a state that Trump lost. I think it is important for -- it is a marker. It is a signifier to
be sure, but it is also a place they want to expand the vision. Remember Hillary has some vulnerabilities in Wisconsin.
There are some labor issues there that a Bernie candidacy may have been able to speak to more. But it is important now in a post-primary world for
them to be there for President Obama to be present there to show that he has solidarity with Hillary and union workers in particular should have
solidarity with Hillary.
I think that's one of the spot. You'll see Ohio, Pennsylvania, certainly you'll see Florida as places where the president will probably follow
Hillary as well to give her all the encouragement that she wants. If she's wise, she'll also have Bernie Sanders there with her.
GORANI: All right, and now of course the big challenge is finding a vice presidential, a running mate for Hillary Clinton at this stage. Thanks
very much, Marc Lamont Hill and Josh Rogin to both of you for joining us on CNN. We appreciate it.
[15:10:04]To the Middle East now, Israeli security raids have led to a key arrest after those deadly terror attacks in Tel Aviv. Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu made the announcement a short time ago when he visited the scene of the shooting in Tel Aviv.
Now police are saying that two Palestinians from the West Bank opened fire at an open air market killing four people. Prime Minister Netanyahu says a
collaborator of the two is now in custody.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER (through translator): Today I convened the meeting with security cabinet. We canceled -- we arrested the
person who was cooperating with the terrorists whereas many (inaudible) surroundings.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Well, loved ones gathered today to bury one of the shooting victims. He was dining with his wife and children when the gunman opened
fire. We now know that 13 people in all were shot, and several of them remain in critical condition in the hospital.
Israel promised a harsh response after this attack. They didn't wait long to carry out door to door searches in the West Bank, as well as restricting
movement of tens of thousands of Palestinians. Fred Pleitgen has details on the security crackdown.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Israeli forces reinforced by two battalions wasted no time conducting early
morning raids in the West Bank village of Yatah looking for a connection to the two accused terrorists, cousins, both in their early 20s.
The Israeli government announced a travel freeze or 83,000 Palestinians blocking them from entering Israel, including to the most holy Al Aqsa
Mosque during the Muslim observance of Ramadan.
This was the scene of the terror attack in downtown Tel Aviv hours earlier seen on surveillance video. Two gunmen opened fire inside the restaurant
shooting as diners tried to flee. Then the gunmen take the shooting outside, a horrifying scene in an open air market in the heart of Tel Aviv.
Meital Sassi (ph) posted this video to Facebook in the moments after the attack. You can see the ambulance lights in the background. She was in
the market for her 2-year-old son's birthday. She return in the morning to come to terms with what she had seen.
MEITAL SASSI, EYEWITNESS: It was a few minutes that I never forget. It was a shock.
PLEITGEN: By the morning, evidence of the attack already gone, replaced with regular customers. The Tel Aviv mayor said terrorism would not defeat
this city. He urged everyone to believe in peace, something that is now much harder for Meital Sassi.
SASSI: It is very hard because you see the problem. It is like everywhere. It's your home. Like I don't know how do I take my kids to
the -- to this restaurant?
PLEITGEN: There have been concerns about security at the Sarona Market for months, is it too open, too accessible, too easy to target.
AMIR OHANA, ISRAELI PARLIAMENT MEMBER: When a person decides based on incitement that he is getting a weapon and goes to kill as many Israelis as
he can, we cannot have the alert for that. We cannot know that in advance.
PLEITGEN: Now additional security guards patrol the market trying to restore a sense of safety that was gone Wednesday night.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
GORANI: Fred Pleitken joins me now with more from Tel Aviv. What do we know about these two individuals in custody that police say conducted or
carried out this mass shooting?
PLEITGEN: Well, very little except the fact that the two are cousins and come from that village, Yatah, there in the West Bank near Hebron. Very
little aside from that.
The other thing we know, Hala, is that apparently a third person has already been arrested who the prime minister, when he was here at the scene
where all this happened, said was apparently someone who they believe might have supported all of this.
But there is really very little that's known about these two individual. There is a lot known about how they went about all of this. Apparently,
they came into this restaurant dressed in suits, and then all of a sudden started opening fire or just before the waiter there believed that they
were going to place an order.
Now the investigation into all of this obviously continues. We've seen that the village that they apparently come from has been under lockdown,
that some of the relatives that had permits to go into Israel have been revoked as well.
Therefore we can see that this is still very much an ongoing investigation and also very much ongoing security operation here so shortly after this
took place -- Hala.
GORANI: But when this was unfolding live, many people assumed this was quite a sophisticated attack, that perhaps automatic weapons had been used.
But when you look at this CCTV footage, Fred, it appeared really as though at least one of them was fumbling and they perhaps even had not rifles but
handguns.
[15:15:08]Not quite sure exactly what kind of weapon. So what does that tell us then about what kind of operation this was?
PLEITGEN: Well, you know what, there are several things to all this. It is a really a very interesting question, Hala. The big question is who
might be behind all of this. Could there be a bigger force behind all of this?
We saw shortly after this attack took place that Hamas all but seemed to endorse what these two men had done. Hamas called this an operation, said
that further operations would follow in the month of Ramadan, that Israel should expect future attacks to happen as well.
So the big question is was this part of a larger plot or were these two essentially lone wolves, doing this on their own. At this point in time,
it is absolutely unclear, but it certainly appears to be a lot less professional planned and organized than many people had thought in the
beginning -- Hala.
GORANI: All right, Fred Pleitgen, thanks very much with the very latest on that terror attack in Tel Aviv.
A lot more to come this evening. A Pakistani teenager's life cut tragically short. Her own mother under arrest. Ahead, details on what
police say happened, and why.
And, in the middle of (inaudible) global charm offensive, we'll take a closer look at the creative economic and technological powerhouse that's
India and its future. Fareed Zakaria joins us after the break. Stay with us.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GORANI: A young Pakistani woman who police say was brutally murdered by her own mother and brother was buried this morning. Authorities say Zeenat
Rafique was strangled, doused with gasoline, and then set on fire. All because she secretly eloped. Her mother is under arrest but her brother is
still on the run. CNN's Clarissa Ward reports.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
CLARISSA WARD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The 18-year-old Zeenat Rafique burned to death by her mother and brother, simply for marrying a
man against her family's wishes. It's the latest horrific example of a so- called honor killing in Pakistan.
Hassan Khan, the victim's 19-year-old husband, buried his bride early Thursday after her own family refused to claim the body. Khan says they
had dated secretly for five years but the girl feared her family would kill her if they knew.
So a little less than two weeks ago the couple eloped and moved away. Then this week she returned to her family home in Lahore. Khan tells CNN his
wife was led to believe the family wanted a reconciliation and that she was promised no harm to would come to her.
HASSAN KHAN, VICTIM'S HUSBAND (through translator): Her cousin gave the guarantee that nothing would happen to her. We were not sending her
otherwise.
[15:20:00] WARD: But there was no homecoming. Instead, police say Rafique's mother and brother tied her down, poured gasoline over her, and
set her on fire. According to CNN affiliate Geonews, an autopsy showed Rafique had been strangled but was still alive when she was set ablaze.
Afterwards witnesses say the victim's mother ran into the street shouting that she had killed her daughter. She is now in police custody.
Authorities say she has expressed no remorse.
KHAN (through translator): She was supposed to come home today. They killed her a day before. We went to her house and her burnt body was lying
on the stairs.
WARD: Khan and his family say they were devastated. His mother tells CNN Rafique was like a daughter to her.
SHAHIDA KHAN, MOTHER-IN-LAW OF VICTIM (through translator): There should be justice. How could they be so heartless and kill this girl. She was
our child now. She had married our son.
WARD: Sadly, this is only the latest in a long list of honor murders. More than 1,000 women were killed by family members in Pakistan last year
alone according to the country's independent Human Rights Commission. Activists say, while progress has been made, a lot more still needs to
change.
NAZISH BROHI, SOCIAL RESEARCHER AND ANALYST: The problem is that prosecutions across the country is a mess. That's true of honor killings
as it is of cases of terrorism.
WARD: Pakistan's prime minister has condemned these brutal crimes in the past, but so far his government has taken no new actions to stop the
killing. Clarissa Ward, CNN, London.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
GORANI: Well, CNN has been reaching out to the Pakistani government asking for reaction to this murder. We've not received any reaction or any
response yet. We'll bring it to you though if and when we do.
Staying in that part of the world, broadly speaking, the Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi scored a diplomatic win on his trip to Mexico. Modi
arrived in the capital late Wednesday looking for Mexican support for India's bid to join the nuclear nonproliferation group.
That's just what he got from the Mexican president, Enrique Pena Nieto. Modi's Mexico visit came a day after his address before the U.S. Congress.
Since Modi was elected in 2014, he has been on a global charm offensive aiming to promote India outside of its own borders not just politically but
culturally as well and economically.
CNN's Fareed Zakaria has spoken to some of India's key figures about the country's boom including Bollywood superstar, Shah Rukh Khan. Take a
listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
FAREED ZAKARIA, CNN HOST, "FAREED ZAKARIA GPS": You have a movie fan where you play a fan of yourself, but that fan --
SHAH RUKH KHAN, BOLLYWOOD STAR: It sounds very narcissistic.
ZAKARIA: But that fan is 25 years younger than you, and that has been achieved with makeup, Benjamin Button (ph) style, you have got the same guy
but also computers. Explain.
KHAN: I think the way forward for Indian cinema is going to be technology. I'm not saying just make animated super hero films. I think cinema is
going to move forward as long as we have technology in the country and we do have it. We've been doing the back end work for a lot of international
filmmakers and the time has come that we start actually using it creatively for our films.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: All right, if you want to take the cultural pulse of the country, of course, you speak to Bollywood stars. Fareed Zakaria joins me now live
from New York with more on his documentary, which is set to air this weekend. What is it about, Fareed?
ZAKARIA: It's called "India's Moment." I think you saw that in that clip. Indian society is ready to make its debut on the world. They are making
world class movies using world class technology, creating world class companies.
Indian society is bursting to become the next China, the next great thing that happens on the global stage. In fact, more so because they are very
comfortable with the modern globalized world.
The Indian state remains very old-fashioned, remains very inward looking, remains stuck in some cold world paradigms. This tension between a society
that is bursting at it seams and ready to be a partner with the west and a state that remains sluggish and slow is at the heart of the documentary.
GORANI: And of course, the big aspect of India is its economy and its GDP growth and it has been remarkable over the last several years, even
decades. You had an opportunity not just Bollywood stars but India's richest man, for instance, to ask him important questions of what India
will be like in the future. What did he tell you?
ZAKARIA: The most interesting thing about what Mukesh Ambani talked to me about was his big new bet. So Mukesh Ambani is the richest man in India,
runs the world's largest refinery. About 2 percent of all of the oil, petrol, that's refined in the entire world is refined out of his refinery.
But he is making another big bet, which is the digitization of India. At this point, maybe 200 million, 300 million Indians have real internet
access. His bet is with the rollout of 4g, the cellular network, in about four years all of India -- 1 billion people will have high-quality internet
access on their cell phones.
He's going -- he's already spent I think $10 billion on this. His belief is that creates the greatest new economic opportunity in the world because
you have a new ecosystem of commerce with a billion people.
It's not just commerce, of course, these are people who now have access to information, to college courses, high school programs, to literacy courses.
The world is going to come to every Indian peasant, farmer and poor person in a slum in Bombay or Delhi. And how that will change the world is in
some ways the great unknowable for us going forward.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MUKESH AMBANI, CHAIRMAN, RELIANCE INDUSTRIES LIMITED: Eighty percent of India's population will have high-speed mobile broadband internet. So 80
percent of the 1.3 billion Indians will have high-speed mobile internet. And the top hundred cities will have what we call fiber to the home
services. And by 2017 end, we will cover 90 percent. By 2018, all of India will be covered by this digital infrastructure.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ZAKARIA: It's an extraordinary story, Hala, because it is about technology, but it is about society, fusing together, and creating this new
burst of opportunity.
GORANI: All right, Fareed Zakaria, thanks very much for joining us from New York. Fareed's documentary, "India's Big Chance," Saturday, 2:30 p.m.
if you are watching in London, 9:30 p.m. in Hong Kong and throughout the weekend as well. Thanks very much.
A lot more ahead on the program. Obama endorses Clinton for president. But with such a divided electorate in the U.S., will it be a boost to her
campaign or added ammunition for the Republicans?
And, he calls Muhammad Ali his inspiration and one of the greatest people ever. We'll speak to the last undisputed boxing champion of the world,
Lennox Lewis. We'll be right back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GORANI: A look at your top stories this hour. Hillary Clinton just got her biggest endorsement yet from the president, Barack Obama. He came out in
support of his former secretary of state in a swiftly produced campaign video. Obama calls Clinton the best qualified presidential candidate ever.
Also among our top stories, the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, says security forces have arrested an accomplice of the gunman behind the
Tel Aviv terror attack. Mr. Netanyahu visited the scene of the mass shooting today. Police say two Palestinians from the West Bank opened fire
at an open air market killing four people.
And in less than 24 hours now, the Euro 2016 football championship kicks off. But the build-up has been overshadowed by security concerns and also
some crippling strikes across France.
French workers have been protesting for several days over proposed labor reforms. It appears increasingly likely that strikes will in fact not end
before the euro championship kicks off.
Even larger problems looming threat of another terrorist attack. Paris was hit twice last year. Thousands of soldiers and police officers have been
deployed to guard stadiums and official fan zones.
All right, back now to our top story. The endorsement that Hillary Clinton has been waiting for. U.S. President Barack Obama says he's, quote, "fired
up" and can't wait to get out and campaign for the presumptive Democratic nominee.
The White House released the video message shortly after Mr. Obama hosted Clinton's Democratic rival at the White House. That is Bernie Sanders.
Now Bernie Sanders came out of that meeting and said he will fight on, at least through final primary next week in Washington, D.C.
Let's get more now from Stephen Collinson. He is the senior reporter for CNN Politics. All right, so what should we make of Bernie Sanders'
statement? He is going to fight on, but clearly he can see the writing on the wall. This is over for him.
Has he been -- I mean, are they -- is the Democratic Party promising him anything in order to make this landing a bit softer for him?
STEPHEN COLLINSON, CNN POLITICS SENIOR REPORTER: Well, I think part of the purpose behind Bernie Sanders' visit to the White House today was to get
the respect that his campaign deserves. He was photographed with the president walking along the carronade in the White House.
He's been up on Capitol Hill meeting all the big Democrats, but as you say, he said he would fight on at the Washington, D.C. primary and fight on for
his cause in the Democratic Party.
But I think reading between the lines of that statement he's basically admitting that his campaign is over. He said he will join Hillary Clinton
in a joint effort to beat Donald Trump in November, Hala.
So he's clearly signaling the end of his campaign, and I think what we saw today was quite a ruthless coordinated operation between the White House
and the Hillary Clinton campaign to bring this endorsement, which basically puts a full stop on Bernie Sanders' political revolution.
Any thoughts he might have had that he could he take from this convention next month have been sort of swept away in front of his eyes.
GORANI: Right, but he's still gotten a lot of votes in the primary process, 12 million or 13 million of the popular vote. He's won many
important primaries. So the Hillary camp needs to woo and seduce those voters, some of whom have said we will not vote for Hillary Clinton. What
is her strategy?
COLLINSON: That's right. I think one guy that could actually seduce those voters and convince them to vote for Hillary Clinton is Bernie Sanders
himself. So they have to show Bernie Sanders respect. I think Bernie Sanders will have a great deal of input into the Democratic Party platform.
The set of policies the party will run on. He's clearly sort of pulled the party to the left on issues like education and economics. Hillary Clinton
had to adopt some of Bernie Sanders' policies. He will continue to be a force in the Democratic Party.
I would expect in maybe two, three weeks we will see Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton appearing at a rally somewhere together. We've already
learned today that the president and Hillary Clinton will campaign together next week.
So I think this is a process that will gradually ratchet up towards the Democratic Party convention in Philadelphia next month. It's very
interesting that this is a very professional process of uniting the party.
It is a real contrast to what's happening on the Republican side. After all, some senior Republicans have spent the last week being asked whether
their candidate is a racist. So there is a real contrast here between the Republicans and the Democrats. I think we may see how that plays out in
how the vote turns out in November.
GORANI: Right. They've had to deal with that. They've had to condemn the statements by Donald Trump, but continuing to support him so there is a bit
of a contradiction there as well that potentially could hurt the Republican candidate and the party as a whole.
[15:35:03]But back to Hillary Clinton, she has to focus now on picking a running mate. Right? Who are the top contenders here?
COLLINSON: There is a lot of buzz gathering around Elizabeth Warren, who is a senator from Massachusetts, who is beloved on the left wing of the
Democratic Party. In fact, there are a lot of people wanted her to run instead of Bernie Sanders to represent the more progressive wing of the
Democratic Party.
If, for example, Hillary Clinton chose Elizabeth Warren, it would be a doubly historic ticket with two women running to be president and vice
president. Some people are thinking maybe Hillary Clinton needs to get someone on her ticket that can deliver a state.
Some people are talking about Virginia. Senator Tim Cain in Virginia is a very important swing state. There are other sort of candidates she can
choose. Perhaps she would choose a Hispanic candidate, sort of consolidate her support among that vital demographic.
So I think the Clinton campaign has been thinking about this for a long time. I would expect we would see that choice unveiled in the weeks ahead
possibly --
GORANI: Why not Bernie Sanders? Why not Bernie Sanders?
COLLINSON: You know, Hillary Clinton would be 69 when she became president if she wins the election. Bernie Sanders will be 75. One of the jobs of a
vice president is to be there just in case something happens to the president. You know, having a ticket has that kind of combined age might
be something that mitigates the choice of Bernie Sanders.
But I think it's very likely that Sanders will have some input into who Clinton chooses if she chooses someone from the left of the party like
Elizabeth Warren as way of validating his campaign for progressive causes he fought for -- Hala.
GORANI: All right, thanks very much. Stephen, do you watch the Euro championships?
COLLINSON: Yes. I'll be watching.
GORANI: Have you abandoned soccer or football?
COLLINSON: Well, I've watched England for many years. I've abandoned hope. I haven't abandoned soccer.
GORANI: OK. Stephen Collinson, thanks very much. Nice talking to you.
Even the campaigners are still making up their minds. What does that mean for the general electorate? A Tory member of parliament, Sarah Wolison
(ph) has changed her mind on Brexit.
She now says the U.K. should stay in the European Union and accused the "leave" campaign of making false claims. Right now Scotland's foreign
minister, Nicola Sturgeon, and the former London mayor, Boris Johnson, are facing off in a television debate.
Some critics say a Brexit could jeopardize unity in the U.K. Here's how the former prime minister's caution against leaving the E.U.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JOHN MAJOR, FORMER BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: It would be an historic mistake to do anything that has any risk of destabilizing the complicated and
multi-layer constitutional settlement that underpins the present stability in Northern Ireland. But that is what a British exit from the European
Union would do.
TONY BLAIR, FORMER BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: Here we stand as two former prime ministers and we say through the "leave" campaign very directly, you
have fundamental questions to answer about Northern Ireland, about the common travel area, about the effect of leaving the E.U. on the future
make-up of the United Kingdom.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: All right, John Major, Tony Blair, both there advocating in favor of the "leave" camp. Now both the "leave" and "remain" camps are making
arguments that spark some fear in the electorate. For the Brexiters, it's all about immigration. Our Kelly Morgan digs into that issue.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
KELLY MORGAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A bombardment of headlines, an invasion, they claim. Migrants are coming on small boats. The English
Channel could become a mortuary, says leading Brexit campaigner, Nigel Farage (ph).
All this after two boats of Albanian nationals attempted to enter the United Kingdom, but enough to stoke fears over a key issue for British
voters, immigration.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you look at the map, you think that's easy, we can do that in about ten hours.
MORGAN: Mac McLaughlin is a seasoned skipper and nurse who has navigated these waters for 40 years. He's alarmed by the headlines.
MAC MCLAUGHLIN, SUSSEX SEA CHARTERS: The English Channel is notoriously a dangerous place. The cold water, even in the height of summer, you're not
going to last long in these water temperatures here. It's about not being faced with the prospect of having discovering young bodies floating face-
down in the water.
MORGAN: But are those fears even legitimate? Thomas Raines, a researcher who specializes on Britain's relationship with the European Union says no.
THOMAS RAINES, RESEARCHER FELLOW, CHATHAM HOUSE: In some parts of the press we have a hysterical and dysfunctional debate about immigration,
particularly E.U. immigration. And those terms are very loaded and emotional and divisive are really counterproductive. We have a debate
that's become very separated from the facts.
[15:40:06]MORGAN: These are the images being used in the debate on whether or not Britain should leave or remain in the E.U. Images of migrants
camped in France desperate to get to the U.K. But these scenes are not relevant to the debate says Raines.
RAINES: The E.U. debate is really about free movement which is the right of citizens from other E.U. countries to come and live and work in the
U.K., which is entirely separate to the issue of controlling illegal immigration.
MORGAN: These beaches and small harbors have long been targeted by smugglers. They're now being targeted by a "leave" campaign trying to
capitalize on one of Europe's most divisive issues. Keen to plunder as many votes as they can before June 23rd. Kelly Morgan, CNN, London.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
GORANI: All right, this just in -- Senator Elizabeth Warren -- we were just discussing her with Stephen Collinson as one of the names that have
been floated as a potential running mate for Hillary Clinton -- was to the left there of the Democratic Party in the United States and very much loved
by progressive Democrats.
She is expected to endorse Hillary Clinton today. We understand according to a source who tells CNN that this will happen via video message. There
you have Elizabeth Warren, who is the Democratic senator from Massachusetts. We are expecting that endorsement.
Of course, a little bit earlier today, President Barack Obama also endorsed Hillary Clinton via video messages. These very important endorsements are
coming in today for Hillary Clinton as she tries to unify the Democratic Party.
We know of course Bernie Sanders, senator from Vermont, says that he will fight on until next week when there is a primary contest in Washington,
D.C.
But pretty much signaling really the end as well of his campaign as he met with President Obama behind closed doors at the White House. So we will
continue to follow the U.S. race.
By the way, you can always check us out on Facebook, facebook.com/halagoranicnn. There you'll have our more interesting
interviews and content as well from the program. Facebook.com/halagoranicnn. We'll be right back. Stay with us.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GORANI: now the Rio Olympics are less than two months away. But as Nick Paton Walsh shows us, much of the construction is not finished and is not
expected to be completed until just days before the opening ceremony.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Rio has a big question without an answer ready just yet. How do Olympic
tourists get from their hotels here to the games across town? Without spending hours in this? Some of the worst traffic in South America.
[15:45:01]Well, this was meant to be the answer, an extension to the subway from the beaches, almost to the Olympic Park. But there's just one snag --
they just announced a new updated opening time and that's only four days before the games begin.
(on camera): There was going to be some sort of last-minute rush, but there is a certain amount of political and economic upheaval that is
concerned that leaving such a vital part of the infrastructure as this down to last-minute preparations is simply cutting it too fine.
(voice-over): It was meant to be open in July. Without it, guests may spend a lot of the day in jams. That's not going to happen, insists the
government.
RODRIGO VIEIRA, SECRETARY FOR TRANSPORT, STATE OF RIO DE JANEIRO: We are completely sure that everything will be done in the first of August. No
problem for us. Of course, we have 8,000 people working during the days and during the nights. No problem at all.
WALSH (on camera): The sound in the building is so loud that it is drowning you out so we still have quite a bit more time to go, right, until
it is ready.
VIEIRA: Everything is in our schedule.
WALSH (voice-over): They say the same thing about the Olympic Park itself. But when we visited when there was 66 days to go, it didn't feel that
ready.
(on camera): It strange to be able to walk from there right into the edge of the Olympic Park here, what's supposed to be a pretty secure zone in
just a matter of weeks from now. We're just going to walk down this way to the site of where previously there was one man holding out with his home.
(voice-over): Deeper and deeper we went, security standing by to find the home now demolished. The owner taking a payout and moving. An odd feeling
walking so freely around. This worker told us sometimes security are there, and some days they're not.
Living just alongside and refusing to be moved, Sandra and Maria. They call themselves the resistance and they force authorities to accept they
can stay on the land.
Sandra says she'll soon have all this packed away, ready for the new home the city's building her just next door. That's also on a tight schedule.
Supposed to be ready, she says, 12 days before the games begin. What does Maria think about security?
MARIA DA PENHA, RESIDENT (through translator): It should be like that in every country. We were born to walk freely. I don't know why they came up
with so much security. A man doesn't make another one safe. Security comes from God.
WALSH: You have to hope they won't be leaving it just up to him, however, to get Rio ready in time. Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
GORANI: Fans have been paying their respects to Muhammad Ali in his hometown of Louisville, Kentucky. Thousands attended a public Muslim
service just a few hours ago at the city's Expo Center where Ali fought his last fight in the city. He'll be buried on Friday.
Joining us now from Louisville is Lennox Lewis, he's a former world heavyweight boxing champion. He'll be one of the people carrying the
casket at the funeral of Muhammad Ali, whom he has described in past, and still does, I'm sure, Lennox Lewis, as his hero.
What will your role be tomorrow, Lennox Lewis?
LENNOX LEWIS, FORMER WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING CHAMPION: Just being one of the pallbearers for Muhammad Ali. And, you know, it is such a great
privilege to be able to do that and a great honor. Words can't really describe how I feel.
GORANI: And tell me, that's what was going to be my next question, because after the worldwide outpouring of love for this man, who was such an
unbelievable icon in so many ways, not just the sporting world, but as a civil rights activist, as a rebel, just all around, what is going through
your mind that you're taking part in this?
LEWIS: You know, just how many people he really affected around the world, and you know, from the young to old. You know, speaking to people while I
was there, hearing so many different stories.
And we can -- we really should just celebrate his life because he has had such a great life and affected so many people. And really part of his
mission was really bringing people together.
And giving, you know, young kids hope, especially me when I first started boxing -- or even was a young kid with just me and my mother. He was a
young kid and he just had his mother with him as well.
And he showed other young kids that you can be whatever you want to be. Just sacrifice and focus on what you want to be.
GORANI: And you also went on to become one of the greatest boxing champions of all time. But I am interested in, as a child watching him,
what you were thinking, because you'd watch him on TV and you'd want to be like him, right? He inspired you in that way.
[15:50:06]LEWIS: Yes. I mean, yes, definitely. If I would get into a fight on the road or something, you know, my first recollection of who I
was, was Muhammad Ali, running around doing this, moving my head, saying, come on, sucker. You know, that's what Muhammad Ali does, you know? And
maybe throw in the Ali shuffle in there as well.
GORANI: Yes. And now, I mean, what were your interactions with him during his lifetime? When did you have the opportunity to meet him and in what
context?
LEWIS: Yes. I met him a few times, different times all through my whole life. One time I remember at the world championships in Daytona. I lost
the fight against a Cuban fighter, and he was at ringside. Muhammad Ali is at ringside. So I don't care what anybody else says about Muhammad Ali.
So after the fight I went out -- you know, I lost the fight, but when I went out and shook his hand and everything, he said, you won the fight, and
he said, you're going to be really good someday.
So I always remember that in my heart. And, you know, something to really think about and remember throughout my whole career.
GORANI: So he gave you that encouragement even though you -- technically you lost the fight. He told you won it in other ways. When was the last
time you were able to speak with him?
LEWIS: Well, last time I -- you know, I was with him, he didn't really speak too much but he spoke with his eyes. And, you know, he's always
joking -- he was always joking around. So I could tell that he was joking around with me because he would give me that look, like this, you know. So
I know what he was saying. And every time he gave me that look, he always put a smile on my face.
GORANI: Yes. He'd put a smile on so many. Because -- I mean, Muhammad Ali, I mean, some people have said, there will never be another one like
him because of him, because of his personality, because of his charisma, because, of course, of his sporting genius as well, that he was the
greatest and the era he lived in as well.
Do you think that as well, the one and only, there will never be anyone to match him?
LEWIS: No. There will never be anybody. He'll always be the greatest. And even the era -- the era that he was in was a serious time in American
history. And, you know, he gave a lot of young kids and kids that have no money, he gave them hope.
And he told this them that they were beautiful as well. So everybody can remember Muhammad Ali using that term, "you're beautiful."
GORANI: Yes. And finally, I've got to ask you about tomorrow. How did it come about that you would be one of the pallbearers? I know other -- I
know Will Smith will be one of the pallbearers as well. How did it come about that you were asked to do this?
LEWIS: It was really a phone call from Lonnie, said that this was one of Muhammad Ali's wishes, for me to be one of the bearers at his funeral. So,
you know, when I heard that, I was just flabbergasted and like truly honored.
GORANI: I can imagine. An unbelievable honor. And really an emotional time, I'm sure, for you as well. Lennox Lewis, one of the greats as well.
Thank you so much for joining us on CNN. We really appreciate it.
LEWIS: Thanks for having me.
GORANI: Join us on CNN tomorrow for special coverage of Muhammad Ali's funeral. This will take place Friday at 6:45 p.m. here in London time, and
will air partly during this program Friday. Hope you can tune in for that. We'll be right back. Stay with us.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[15:55:34]
GORANI: Well, Harry Potter fans sure looked spellbound by the new stage play in London in true J.K. Rawlings style. There are twists and secrets.
The play is broken up in two parts and part two debuts Thursday night. Jonathan Mann has that for us.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
JONATHAN MANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The magic is back. Harry Potter has moved from the page to the big screen and now to the stage.
Hundreds of lucky fans lined up in London to see the first showing of "Harry Potter and The Cursed Child" Tuesday.
The new play is based on an original story from Potter's creator, J.K. Rowling, set 19 years after her last book. In the play, a grown-up Harry
is now a husband and father and working at the Ministry of Magic.
Further details of the story, which is split into two parts, are being kept under wraps and Rowling has even recorded a special message requesting that
audiences not spoil the story for others.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Keep secrets and let the audience enjoy the surprises we've built into the story.
MANN: No spoilers here but the preview reportedly got a standing ovation.
COLE SOUTHGALE, HARRY POTTER FAN: A whole different version. It is just incredible.
CALLUM FAWCETT, HARRY POTTER FAN: Forget the films. This is fantastic. I would definitely come to watch this.
MANN: The play has attracted some controversy for casting an actress of color as (inaudible), in the movie's Emma Watson, who is white played the
same role. Rowling says she never specified the character's ethnicity in the books and audience members give the casts rave reviews.
JESS HART, HARRY POTTER FAN: As a woman of color, it is just groundbreaking and it is amazing and she speaks the role so, so well.
SOPHIE LEVIN, HARRY POTTER FAN: I like that they brought in a woman of color to play her. I think that's a problem that people saw.
MANN: The show officially opens on July 30th and will also be published as a book July 31st, which also happens to be Rowling's and Harry Potter's
birthday. Jonathan Mann, CNN.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
GORANI: Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is no stranger to going viral. Videos of Mr. Trudeau doing push-ups or holding baby pandas have
been shared around the world, but his latest viral video is of a different tone.
It shows the prime minister enjoying an Iftar (ph) meal with Muslim members of the Canadian parliament. Iftar (ph) is the meal Muslims eat at the end
of a day's fasting during Ramadan.
Since Mr. Trudeau shared it on Facebook, the video has been viewed -- can you guess how many times? Over 6 million times.
This has been THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. I'm Hala Gorani. Thanks for watching. "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" is next.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
END
