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Aired June 10, 2016 - 14:00   ET

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[14:00:00] (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) stop. Everybody get back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, God.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stay down. Stay down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stay down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stay down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Back inside. Back inside.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JIM ACOSTA, CNN ANCHOR: OK, and there you can hear at the end of that video, those officers instructing the man who was apparently shot there in this video to stay down.

And that is where we're going to leave things for right now. We're going to turn it over to Don Lemon. Our breaking news coverage continues of the unfolding situation at Dallas Love Field Airport in Dallas, Texas, where a man, according to our witnesses on the phone, was apparently shot by police officers when he was approaching those police officers with a rock. According to those eyewitnesses, traffic being suspended or cut off around the airport right now.

We're going to turn it over to Don Lemon with more on this breaking news coverage of what's happening in Dallas, Texas.

ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Jim Acosta, thank you very much.

I am Don Lemon in New York. To our viewers here in the United States and around the world, if you are just joining us here on CNN, we're reporting some breaking news. A frightening scene, it's coming from Dallas Love Field Airport. Shots have been fired. We're told it happened outside the baggage claim as video will show you. We're also told that first responders are on the scene. We are about to speak live with some eyewitnesses, but first to the video we have just received. Here it is.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(gunshots)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get down! Get down! (gunshots) (screaming)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, my god. Oh, god.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get back. Get back. Get back inside.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody get back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, God.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stay down! Stay down!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Back inside! Back inside!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get down!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get inside. Get inside.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now, go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Guys.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stay down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This way. Go inside.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LEMON: OK, again, this is happening at Dallas Love Field. As you can see, those are live pictures now from Dallas Love Field. This information is just coming in, so bear with us here on CNN. As you can see, a chaotic scene outside a baggage claim.

Reports in the area, and this is a report from "Dallas Morning News" says, it was an officer involved shooting. It prompted a lockdown on Friday afternoon at Dallas Love Field Airport. A video, of course, has been posted on Instagram. It's the video that we are showing you from an eyewitness there. You can see that officers responding with their guns drawn. Several shots can be heard as authorities yell for someone to stay down, to get down. And you can hear people in the background saying, oh, God, oh, God is right. That's the last thing you want to see at an airport, especially now with so much concern about what's happening here and overseas.

One person, we are told, according to this report, was taken to the hospital. The video does not show that any of the officers were wounded. And again, you can hear at least nine shots being fired in that video. A woman screaming, a man can be heard repeating, oh, my Mod, oh, my God.

Baggage claim, we are told, remains closed, but parts of the airport have been reopened. And we're just getting information in.

CNN's Polo Sandoval is reporting this story from us. I want to bring him in now.

Polo, what do you know about this?

POLO SANDOVAL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Don, it's important to remember that this does have potential to impact several flights. This airport here is considered a major hub for Southwest Airlines, a fairly large U.S. carrier. So as a result, we are reaching out to folks at that airline. They have responded saying that they are, at this point, gathering details on the situation there and trying to put out a statement as to how this will impact operations for Southwest Airlines. That airport located just rather northwest of downtown. So whether you're flying in or out or perhaps picking up people there, or simply connecting through there, this does have potential to impact your afternoon's plans, more than just a very disturbing video that has already been released, where you can hear those shots being echoed throughout the outside portion of the terminal there.

Again, we are getting reports that at least a portion of the terminal has been evacuated, but some of those airport operations do continue. But again, this is all information that's being released as we speak. Those shots being fired just a few - or, rather, a few moments ago as we continue to gather information. (INAUDIBLE) -

LEMON: Polo, do we know anything about this one man, the man who was taken into custody, or taken to a hospital, I should say? Do we know anything about him?

SANDOVAL: Right. It's a good question here, Don. At this point we understand that it's an individual that challenged officers, according to some witness reports, possibly with a rock of some sort, and then was potentially taken down by officers, taken to the hospital. We are trying to find out exactly who he is, and, of course, what he was doing there at the airport, whether he was a passenger or simply someone who was there outside the baggage claim.

[14:05:09] Don.

LEMON: CNN correspondent Polo Sandoval on top of this for us. Polo will get more information for us, so stand by.

I want to bring in now Art Roderick, a CNN law enforcement analyst and also a former assistant director of the U.S. Marshal service.

This happening, of course, the breaking news happening at Dallas Love Field. Shots fired. And you can see it all unfolding on video there.

Art, what do you make when you look at this video and you hear the reports of what happened at Dallas Love Field today?

ART RODERICK, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST (via telephone): Yes. Listening to the witnesses, obviously, there was something that occurred prior to this video being shot. And of course we're talking about a major airport here in the U.S. So there will be video from the outside that will be of interest. I think one of the witnesses stated that there was a vehicle parked out front there that had a window smashed out. So the key to this is going to be what occurred prior to the officers encountering this individual, and that's going to be on the video from the airport. So I know we've got the witness video right now that we're looking at and, obviously, that has the shooting and what occurred there and I do hear the command that they're yelling out for everybody to get down, but I think the key part in this is going to be what happened - what occurred outside that prompted this individual to confront the law enforcement and then, obviously, we have the video of the shooting going right there.

LEMON: So here we are, what happens now that they have someone they have taken to the hospital, and as you look at this video, what are the next steps? What are they doing at this airport now, Art?

RODERICK: Well, I'm sure they have everything shut down. They're probably evacuating that whole area. That - I believe that's by the baggage claim area. So I'm sure they've cleared that whole area out. They've got a vehicle out front that they're - that they're - that they're looking at. How did this individual get to the airport? Was he in that particular vehicle? You know, what caused him to confront law enforcement? So all this is being looked at right now. I'm sure probably in the next half hour or so (INAUDIBLE) end up opening back up that particular terminal. You know, we're dealing with a major airport here in the U.S. A lot of people coming and going out of Dallas/Ft. Worth Airport.

LEMON: It has been said, Art, and correct me if I'm wrong, the most venerable part of the airport is between the curb and security. And this is where this happened.

RODERICK: Absolutely. And we saw that in Brussels, too. And that's - the terrorists decided to hit Brussels with that soft part of the airport. But, you know, having said that, you're talking about multiple law enforcement agencies that work there at the airport. You've got patrols along and I think we've all seen them, anybody that's been to Dallas/Ft. Worth has seen law enforcement out in that area and it looks to me like they confronted him right at the (INAUDIBLE) location there before he was able to actually enter the building.

LEMON: Considering the number of shots you heard and the chaos, one person taken to the hospital. Of course, you know, it's cliche, but it could have been much worse. It appears that law enforcement really had it under control and got on top of it pretty quickly.

RODERICK: Yes, exactly. I mean, it sounds like they confronted him, whatever he was doing with that vehicle, smashing the windshield out or whatever, it sounds like that they confronted him right off the bat, which is - which is obviously, you know, stop a lot of other lives being - you know, other people being injured or possibly killed. So law enforcement did the right thing here and confronted him right away.

LEMON: Art Roderick, CNN law enforcement analyst and former assistant director of the U.S. Marshal Service, I want you to stand by.

I want to bring in now Bryan Armstrong. Bryan is a witness to the shooting and he also shot the video. So, Bryan, tell us where you were when this happened and what you saw.

BRYAN ARMSTRONG, SHOOTING WITNESS (via telephone): Yes. I was coming out of baggage claim. Like I was coming out of baggage claim waiting on my ride. And as soon as I walked out the door, I seen the police run across the street with his gun drawn and I see the guy with the dreads walking towards the police with a rock in his hand. And I - it was - it was my natural instinct to pull out my camera, pull out my phone.

LEMON: So you said you saw a guy with dreads walking towards the police with a -

ARMSTRONG: Yes. It was - yes, it was an African-American guy - yes, he was an African-American guys with dreads and he had a rock in his hand. I don't know what for. Just that - that's the first thing I seen when I walked out the door.

LEMON: Yes. Did you see - now there are reports that he was smashing the window out of a car. Did you see that?

ARMSTRONG: No, I didn't see that part. No, I didn't.

LEMON: Yes. So you said he was approaching the officers? Was he walking or was he charging them?

ARMSTRONG: He was walking. Yes, he was walking. He didn't seem like he was in attack mode, but he did have a - he did have a rock in his hand. And he was walking towards them slowly.

LEMON: So he's -

ARMSTRONG: And they kept telling him drop - you know, drop the - drop the rock or stop walking towards them, but he was - like he was walking towards the police and everybody coming outside the door. So they were just trying to stop him from walking towards anybody to - so they wouldn't have any danger.

[14:10:02] LEMON: And so he kept walking and then they shot him?

ARMSTRONG: Yes. Yes. Yes, uh-huh.

LEMON: So what - so what did you see after that?

ARMSTRONG: He dropped and then I don't know what they shot him with. I don't think they shot him with real bullets because after he dropped they told him to stop moving. So, I mean, I they knew they didn't shoot him fatally or they shot him with rubber bullets and then they shot him some more when he kept moving when he was on the ground.

LEMON: Yes. And so you were - you were outside. How many - about how many people were in the area? I can see there's about 10, 15, maybe 20 people in the area.

ARMSTRONG: Yes, probably about 10 or 15. The people who were coming out the door not knowing what was going on, they're like me, and that's when it happened. And some people ran like behind me on - like on the video some people ran like behind me, like the opposite direction and some people ran back inside the door.

LEMON: And then how long before - because I'm sure emergency vehicles or the ambulance or whatever came to the scene. How long before all of this unfolded?

ARMSTRONG: Yes. The - it took the ambulance probably like ten or 15 minutes. The fire truck came first, then the ambulance. And then they put him on a stretcher. So, I mean, I'm thinking he - I think the - when the fire truck came, they put an IV in him. And then when the ambulant came, they put him on the stretcher and put him in the back of the ambulance and drove off.

LEMON: Bryan, stand by. Don't go anywhere.

I want to update our viewers. In case you are just joining us, breaking news here on CNN, shots fired at Dallas Love Field, of course, in Dallas, Texas. One of America's major airports. One of the busiest in the country.

We're told that police officers, or at least law enforcement on the scene shot one man who was approaching them, according to eyewitnesses, with a rock. Other eyewitnesses saying that he had smashed the window out of a vehicle. And when he was approaching officers with a rock in his hand, they shot him. And not sure if they shot him with rubber bullets or - and we're not sure if he's shot fatally, but we're also told he was taken to the hospital.

Joining us by phone is the eyewitness who shot the video that you're looking at on the right-hand side of your screen there. His name is Bryan Armstrong.

And, Bryan, as you were in the airport, were any announcements being made?

ARMSTRONG: No. I mean, I was like - it - when I walked out the door, it was (INAUDIBLE). It was just happening. So I don't think anybody was - no. I mean that once - once the shots were fired, everybody - like they kind of evacuated the area and closed the doors and said nobody can come out, but while it was happening, no, nobody knew. You know, I don't think the police had time to put it over the mike.

LEMON: Does anyone - did anyone discuss to you the reasons for this? Because if - when - as you walked in to this -

ARMSTRONG: Yes.

LEMON: Your part of it is you saw him approaching officers with a rock. You didn't see what happened beforehand, right?

ARMSTRONG: Yes. Exactly. Exactly.

LEMON: So have you been able to speak to anyone at the airport? Has anyone discussed with you about what happened? About what proceed this? ARMSTRONG: No. I asked a few people, but they seen pretty much what I

seen. They were coming out the door the same time I was coming out the doors. I didn't hear it. I didn't hear anybody who heard more than me. I didn't talk to - I didn't talk to the police because they had evacuated the area. But as far as like people getting off the plane, nobody knew what was going on.

LEMON: Now, they shut down baggage claim, or at least this part of the terminal for a while. Do you know how long it took them to do that?

ARMSTRONG: They shut it down - they shut that area down pretty quickly. And then they shut the whole top area down probably 15, 20 minutes afterwards once they got enough squad cars.

LEMON: So this is the arrivals area, correct?

ARMSTRONG: The arrivals area is on the same level, but it's a little further - it's before you get to the arrivals.

LEMON: So it's -

ARMSTRONG: The departure is before the arrivals. So (INAUDIBLE).

LEMON: OK. So explain to our viewers - explain to our viewers then - thank you. You were going there. But I want you to explain to our viewers because in a number of airports you may have arrivals upstairs or at least downstairs, departures upstairs. In this particular airport, how is it configured?

ARMSTRONG: They have arrivals and departures on the same level. They also have a lower level, but most of the time they - it's the (INAUDIBLE) top level because that's where everything's at.

LEMON: So this happened on the top level?

ARMSTRONG: And now they're using the - yes. But now they're using the lower level I guess for situations like this.

LEMON: Yes.

Are you still at the airport?

ARMSTRONG: Yes, I am.

LEMON: You are.

ARMSTRONG: They shut down - yes, I was waiting on (INAUDIBLE) from my - to my hotel and they shut down the - the (INAUDIBLE) people getting in. So I couldn't call an Uber.

LEMON: OK. So tell me what's happening at the airport now and where you are.

ARMSTRONG: They taped off the area with yellow tape. They shut down the top - the top part of the airport. And then traffic is going at the bottom part of the airport. LEMON: OK. And we understand that parts of the airport have been

reopened.

ARMSTRONG: Yes.

LEMON: But this particular area is still shut down?

ARMSTRONG: Yes. Baggage claim is shut down for the most part, yes.

LEMON: OK.

ARMSTRONG: But nobody's coming - any flights that are coming in, nobody's coming out with their luggage. I don't know where they're sending them. I think they're sending them to the lower level.

[14:15:02] LEMON: OK, Bryan, don't go anywhere. I want to replay this video full for our viewers of what happened at Dallas Love Field not long ago. Again, a shooting involving a man and police officers. Let's take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stay down, man.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody needs to go -

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get down! Get down! Get down! Get down!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Geez.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, God.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really? What is all that extra for? What was all that extra for?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don't move.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody get back. Get back inside. Everybody get back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, God.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stay down! Stay down!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stay down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stay down!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Will you please?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Back inside. Back inside. Back inside.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get down!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get inside. Get inside.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Y 'all go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Guys, get back.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LEMON: All right, if you're just joining us, I'm Don Lemon in New York. I want to welcome our viewers here in the United States and around the world.

If you're just joining us, this is breaking news here on CNN. Shots fired at Dallas Love Field Airport. We're told it happened outside of the baggage claim area. As you can see from this video that has been posted online. Bryan Armstrong is an eyewitness. He's been joining us here on CNN, as well.

First responders on the scene there. It is believed to be a shooting between officers and a man who was approaching them with a rock. Witnesses also say - that's according to a witness - and witnesses also say this man was breaking a window out of a car when he was approached.

Bryan Armstrong is an eyewitness. He's on the phone. But also on the phone with us is Mary Schiavo, CNN aviation analyst and a former inspector general of the Department of Transpiration.

It appeared to be momentary chaos at that airport, but under control right now for the moment, Mary Schiavo.

MARY SCHIAVO, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: That's right, Don, but it does point out the most venerable part of the airport, which has alluded the TSA, local authorities, has really alluded people on how to secure. And that is the approach to the airport and the arrival and departure public areas. And so, you know, a man with a rock, you immediately your mind goes to a lot of possible scenarios, not the least of which is somebody who's not balanced. I mean we don't know anything at this point. But rock or some other kind of weapon, it's a really tough area to secure. And, frankly, even the TSA and federal authorities just don't know what to do about the approach areas of airports.

LEMON: How do you secure this part? Can you make this part more secure - because as you have said, Art Roderick, as well, this is the most vulnerable part of the airport - can you make it more secure?

SCHIAVO: Well, you can, except the plans that have been launched in the past, not plans, ideas, because they've never got really to the planning stage, they have ranged for everything - from everything in like a post-9/11/2001 timeframe where they did things like stop cars and vehicles before they got to the terminal, did selective searches. That backed traffic up, in some cases miles back, to do it that way. There were actually scenarios proposed where people would go to another facility, would check in their flights at off-site facilities, like they have in Tokyo, they have these, and you check in away from the airport and then you're bussed to the airport and your luggage arrives separately. That was deemed not doable because unlike Tokyo, in the United States, we have a 450 - approximately 450 passenger service - commercial passenger service airports. And so that didn't work either.

And so it really has been a situation where often security is applied after the fact when something happens and they beef it up and they do inspections of cars and vehicles, other vehicles going in. But it has proven very difficult for someone to come up with a solution.

LEMON: Yes, and also, you know, I'm sure Tokyo Airport there, much more dependent on mass transportation here in the United States. We're much more dependent on cars.

SCHIAVO: Yes. Exactly.

LEMON: It would be easier, in a place like New York City or a larger city that has lots of mass transportation, to do that particular thing, Mary Schiavo.

SCHIAVO: Right.

LEMON: My question is, is if this happens, my first inclination would be to run right back through security. I'm sure the airport would not like that.

SCHIAVO: Well, the airport would not like that. But I had to travel soon after the Brussels attacks and, you know, quite frankly, behind security is where I wanted to be. And others, the same thing. We coordinated so our pickups at the airport - and we didn't leave secure areas until we were at - until our rides were outside and then we made a beeline out of security. So now it's gotten to the point where anything that the TSA controls and beyond really is the safest point at the airport, despite the, you know, all the findings and the problems that they have.

[14:20:09] But that's where the TSA end. The TSA doesn't cover out to the street. The TSA doesn't cover baggage claim once you get there, which is a huge vulnerability. And the baggage claim area has been the subject of attacks in the past around the world. I mean a very serious one happened in Rome a number of years back and the bag claim area is very vulnerable, too. But in the United States, situations like that, we had a shooting in Los Angeles at the ticket counters. So about 10 or 12 years ago. I mean, these things have happened before. Fortunately, they're very, you know, sporadic and rare. But despite having had these things happen in the past, a solution is still quite elusive.

LEMON: Mary Schiavo, the former inspector general of the Department of Transportation is joining us now with this breaking news on CNN. Shots fired at Dallas Love Field. One man was taken to the hospital. It is an officer-involved shooting there. And there were a number of eyewitnesses, including Bryan Armstrong, who took video. He joins us now by phone.

Bryan, this was chaos and very shocking. I'm sure people were upset as this was unfolding. Bryan, are you there?

All right, apparently we don't have Bryan. We'll continue on with Mary Schiavo.

So, Mary, as this is - Bryan said he was not sure if it was rubber bullets or if it was real bullets that they used to subdue this man. In a situation like this when it's - a number of people at an airport, is there some sort of protocol about how to deal with this?

SCHIAVO: It depends upon the state and local authorities. In some cases if they - a - an airport commission. But it depends on what their local protocol is for security. Because of the situation and the fact that we have had very dire situations at airports before and literally the world's on high alert for airport attacks, I would assume, and it would be reasonable I think to assume, that those officers assigned to the airport were armed with live ammunition.

LEMON: Live ammunition.

SCHIAVO: I mean I can't imagine, in this day and age, that they would not. It's very unfortunate if this man was, you know, obviously, mentally ill or walking around an airport with a rock smashing windows, one cannot think of a rational thought process. But in this day and age, on high alert, I would always assume that the airport police are armed with real ammunition, live ammunition.

LEMON: OK. All right, Mary Schiavo, stand by.

And speaking of law enforcement, and what the protocol is, and what - what they're armed with, I want to bring in Tom Fuentes, CNN's senior law enforcement analyst and a former FBI assistant director.

Tom, we're getting word that we're going to hear from officials, law enforcement shortly there in Dallas. So take us behind the scenes as to what's going on and how they're preparing to - what they're preparing to tell the public.

TOM FUENTES CNN SENIOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST (via telephone): Well, I think right now, Don, is that they're trying to confirm that this is only one individual and, as Mary mentioned, possibly with mental health issues. And it sounds more along those lines, if he was smashing out a windshield. That's not your typical protocol for terrorists attacking an airport to be pounding on somebody's windshield. So I think they'll be telling us shortly that with the exception of this crime scene and talking to witnesses, that the rest of the airport should go to normal operations pretty quickly.

If I could add, you know, having been involved in these discussions in the past about airport security, there's a number of issues with that and, you know, I've been in airports in Europe even before 9/11 where they have security at the - at the door of the airport. And you had people lined up down the sidewalks for three blocks waiting to go through security because they still had their baggage and still had everything with them. And the problem with that in the U.S. is, that's OK in some airports at some times of year, but in the wintertime, when it's 30 below 0 outside, you're not going to have people, elderly and people with infants lined up down a sidewalk for three blocks, or if it's, you know, in the south or Miami in the summertime with the heat and humidity, it's just not practical. And no matter where you set up the checkpoint, everything up to that checkpoint is not safe. So you're never going to be - I mean you'd have to lock down the whole city.

So you're not going to be able to have a complete thing and you do have a concern with the number of people that travel through our airports every single day. There's no other country in the world that compares to the United States in terms of the volume of travelers and the number of planes and flights and commerce and cargo and everything that's going through all U.S. airports at this level. So it's really just something - it's up to the local police to provide the security everywhere except the checkpoints, which is the responsibility of TSA to screen passengers. And that's their main responsibility, passengers not boarding an aircraft with weaponry.

[14:25:14] The rest of the airport is normally under the control of the local police and additional security hired by the city or the airport authority. And that's the issue with securing these airports. It's impossible to do it all at every location. And wherever they set the checkpoint, everything up until then is not secure.

LEMON: As we await word from law enforcement in Dallas, Texas, for this shooting outside of baggage claim at Dallas Love Field, I want to get to CNN's Polo Sandoval, who has some new information for us.

Polo, what do you have?

SANDOVAL: Hey, Don. Obviously, as we continuing to find out more about what led to these tense moments, we do understand that there has been - at least there will be some effects here. We're told by a spokesperson for Dallas Love Field that just moments after those shots were fired, as you may understand, it was a very - fairly chaotic scene, so several passengers actually rushed or at least darted through the TSA pre-check - or at least a TSA checkpoint. So as a result, they are now having to essentially rescreen some of these individuals so that they can go on to their flights.

So, again, recapping here as we continue to find out what exactly happened just outside that baggage claim, we are told that several people in that - amid the chaos, actually made the way through the security - the security checkpoint there. So as a result, officials - airport officials and the TSA now having to rescreen them before they continue and move on with their flights.

Which, again, we do understand that airport operations have not been tremendously affected, but nonetheless that investigation does continue there at Dallas Love Field, Don.

LEMON: Polo Sandoval.

Mary Schiavo, if we still have Mary there, the CNN aviation analyst -

SCHIAVO: You do. LEMON: And the inspector - former inspector general of the Department of Transportation.

As I said, my first inclination would be to run right back through security and it appears that's what some passengers did according to Polo and now they're having to rescreen passengers.

SCHIAVO: Well, absolutely. And, you know, with a couple of the shootings that occurred at U.S. airports, you know, again, that - one of them was aimed at the security checkpoint. But, you know, fortunately, if you can get through there, it is perceived as a much - and is realistically a much more secure place and so it's just reasonable of people to do that. But again, it points out the problem. I mean that is a - that's, you know, literally a thin blue line between you and what's going on in the nonsterile areas of the airport and the sterile areas of the airport and there's really no way to stop that. There is - it's easy to run through them, jump through them and people do that. They - you know, they call them runners, in fact. They have a term for it at the TSA.

So, yes, I think it was logical for people to do that who, when you hear gunfire at an airport, you know, it's - you think that the next thing that's coming is probably even worse. So I think that that's just a natural instinct for people to do that. But that's what occurs next. And then they have to screen - by federal law, they have to rescreen the people in the airport.

LEMON: According to reports from "The Dallas Morning News," that they had - the suspect was taken to a hospital. And the video, as you can see, shows that - it doesn't appear to show that any of the officers were injured. According to Mark Debner (ph), who is a Dallas director of aviation, said he does not know the suspect's status. We know he was taken to the hospital. And, of course, we've heard all the questions concerning this to the Dallas Police who were on the scene and hopefully we will get some information from Dallas Police very shortly.

We're expecting a news conference at least from them and we will bring that to you. Here is the news conference. Let's listen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I am an assistant chief of police. I'm the chief of police in charge of the special investigation unit, which is responsible for investigating all officer-involved shootings.

So I'm going to tell you what we know preliminarily at this point about the incident that happened here at the airport.

At about 12:00 noon, or shortly thereafter, there was a disturbance occurring on the outside areas of the baggage claim, right behind me and below me.

So actually outside, not inside but outside, a disturbance that we believe was a domestic disturbance between a lady and her children's father, all right. You can - probably been able to see that there's a car that's been damaged by rocks. The black male suspect that was involved in this disturbance used rocks to attack the lady and during the disturbance.

[14:29:41] One of our officers assigned here to the airport was alerted to the disturbance. Came to the aid of the lady and he was rushed by the gentleman with a rock. At this time, the report is that he was able to separate himself from that individual, gained some distance, tried to gain some time, but the individual came toward him again and so he discharged his weapon a number of times. That gentlemen was struck and had to be transported to