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Aired June 11, 2016 - 19:00   ET

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[19:00:10] PAMELA BROWN, CNN ANCHOR: You are live in the CNN NEWSROOM, great to have you along on this Saturday afternoon. I'm Pamela Brown in for Poppy Harlow.

It is the first weekend where the presidential race essentially narrowed down to two runners in the presumptive nominees who is sitting two battleground state today, Republican Donald Trump, he spends the morning Florida and in the afternoon in Pennsylvania doing what he has defying the Trump -- candidacy since day one, lashing at his critics, scolding the media for being unfair and absolutely hammering former nominee Mitt Romney. Take a listen.

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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's absolutely pathetic. He lost, he choked -- like a dog he choked and now it's time for somebody else. We're going to win, folks, we're going to win. We're not going to be choking, I don't choke. I don't choke.

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BROWN: Also today details emerging from a meeting that happened very quietly between presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump and the U.S. Senate majority leader Republican Mitch McConnell. A source now confirms to CNN that the two men did meet yesterday in Virginia, that's just one day after the Kentucky Senator tore into Trump in an interview saying that it was obviously Trump doesn't know a lot about the issues.

Charles Blow the CNN political commentator and columnist for the New York Time, Scottie Hughes is a Trump supporter who covers politics for USA radio network, it's great to have you both on, on this Saturday afternoon, evening, depending on what coast you're on.

Charles I want to go to you first about this meeting, what more do we know and does this show some effort being made to repair the deep divisions at the highest level of the party in your view?

CHARLES BLOW, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Listen, I don't know any more details about it than what you've already reported here, do -- there's an absolute need to make some repairs on the Republican side? Absolutely. I don't even understand how you could even have a nominee, presumptive nominee at this point who is unliked, who is verbally chastised by the top leadership, of many people in the top leadership of the party that he represents. It is unprecedented. It does not bode well for the people -- new people into the poll of his supporters. And he will need those people.

I mean, people have said this on air over an over, politics at this level is about adding people to your number rather than subtracting people. And what the top kind of leaders of the Republican Party doing are basically pushing people away, saying out loud this is not a guy who we have full confidence in.

BROWN: Right, Scottie, I'll led you respond to that.

SCOTTIE NEIL HUGHES, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: No, I agree with you. That's exactly what the top leadership is saying, and I think it shows the real divide in the Republican Party. And it's really amongst those the elite leadership of the GOP who's had control, and then the people that are actually the membership, the lifeblood of the Republican Party. And that the group that Mr. Trump, from day one, I mean you have to realize, he didn't get any great endorsements by the Governors and the Senators and Congressmen and yet time and time again he continued to win.

Why was that, because he was appealing to the people not pandering to the politician. So I agree with Charles on that and I think what happened in the meeting yesterday, us finding out about the meeting, post it happening, you know, that Mitch McConnell not running out and, you know, calling a press conference or inviting a lead anchor on a network to come in and talk about it beforehand and bash Mr. Trump, I think that's the way that we have this conversation going forward.

BROWN: Scottie, when you see Donald Trump continuing to go after people who criticize him, he's going after Mitt Romney, he's going after Elizabeth Warren, many in the party's leadership have advised him or urged him to focus on his rival Hillary Clinton instead of getting caught up in these small sort of side shows, if you will. Do you think we're going to see that any time soon and more focused Donald Trump?

HUGHES: But I think that's what's you're seeing right now. Donald Trump is going after Elizabeth Warren. He's going after a woman that is basically doing the henchmen for Hillary Clinton so Hillary Clinton can keep her hands clean. So he is just -- all he is doing is exposing the fraud and sitting and casting doubt on anything she says negative about him.

At this point, at this stage of the game there are two sides you can choose as a Republican, you either support Donald Trump or you're helping Hillary Clinton. And what Mitt Romney has done to Donald Trump over these last few days especially, his interview with Wolf Blitzer, all that he's doing is providing sound bites and name calling ability for the Democrats to say, "Look, your own party is divided." And that's not exactly the truth, maybe the leadership is divided but I know the people right now are pretty much, you know, in support of our nominee. We have held our nose to Mitt Romney, we held our nose to McCain, I guess the leadership is now have to feel the pain that we've having to do the last election cycles.

BROWN: And let's talk about the fact the both candidates -- presumptive nominees I should say are really focused on these battleground states. Charles. We saw Donald Trump speaking today in Pennsylvania.

[19:05:11] Hillary Clinton will be there Tuesday. She will be in Wisconsin with President Obama. Do you think that President Obama's popularity can transfer to Hillary Clinton particularly in those all important battleground states?

BLOW: Right. There are certain types of battleground states where I think Obama would be more helpful to Hillary than others, right? And so there are some in the south, there is, you know, places like Virginia where he can pump up the African-American turnout. I think he will be more instructive there. There will be other surrogates who will be more instructive in like the Midwest, in Michigan, in Wisconsin, or wherever, and that could be Joe Biden, that could be President Clinton.

And I think they're -- the Democrats have on their side playing tremendously in their favor. Is that they have the party elders willing to be surrogates on behalf of the Democratic presumptive nominee, what Donald Trump needs is the party elders willing to be willing surrogates on behalf of the presumptive Democratic nominee.

What Donald Trump need is the party elders willing to be willing surrogates on his behalf, and right now he simply does not have it. As Scottie said, they are holding their nose, if they have endorsed him, some of them haven't even done that, but even the ones who have done it are holding their because they are so at odd with the principals that those particular party elders have lived their lives by, has specify over and over in speeches and in policy and that is a problem for him.

Everyday that he stands up and bickers about what Elizabeth Warren says about him or bickers about what Mitt Romney says about him is a day he is not outlining his own policies, it is a day that he is not drawing a strong contrast with Hillary Clinton, it is a day he is losing.

BROWN: But let me ask you this Charles and I'll give you a chance to speak Scottie Neil, but, you know, Bernie Sanders isn't coming out to throw his support behind Hillary Clinton, he is staying in this fight and you have -- and you've written about this Bernie or bust situation where the supporters, his Bernie Sanders supporters, and there's a lot of them across the country will stay at home and not vote for Hillary Clinton, or perhaps the question is, will they throw their support behind Donald Trump? How much of that is a problem for Hillary Clinton?

BLOW: Well I think what we have to do is wait until after next Tuesday to see how Bernie behaves after that point, right? So, the conventional wisdom is that, he has said that he wants to stay in the race to allow everyone to have a chance to vote. That will be until after next Tuesday. After next Tuesday, if Bernie Sanders comes out and says, "I ran a good race, I did the best I could but, you know, I'm not the winner Hillary Clinton is and we have to keep Donald Trump out of the White House," you will see a shift in his support base, and whether or not they will support Hillary or not.

They may not do it with enthusiasm particularly at first but you will see some shift if he says, from his own mouth that this is what he wants to do and this is what he wants to commit, his energy to do. If he doesn't do that I think you'll see a different story, but I think that -- looking at the polls right now, I don't think that those are kind of accurate representations of what those particular voters would do.

BROWN: All right, and Scottie Neil, I want to play some sound for you, Mitt Romney discussing Donald Trump, and you can hear the emotion in his voice discussing the presumptive nominee, in fact we have just obtained this, let's take a listen.

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MITT ROMNEY, (R) FRM. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I find this so troubling that -- and I know a lot of folks are saying, "Just get off your high horse in this and get behind the guy," but I -- these things are personal. This thing -- I mean, I love this country. I love the founders, I love what this country is built upon and its values, and seeing this is breaking my heart from the party that ...

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BROWN: There you heard him he said with emotion, this is breaking my heart. How worrying should this be Scottie Neil, the last nominee so fiercely opposed to the likely nominee, does this sound like he's backing down one inch.

HUGHES: Well it's interesting you said nominee, you didn't say President, just like you can't say McCain or Lindsay Graham or even Kasich those guys cannot even win their own state. I'm sorry for that it's hard spoken but I as a conservative haven't had my heart broken for the last eight years. I had my heart broken as a conservative of George Bush when he put us to the debt and we had the housing crisis, when we saw the jobs being lost or we Obamacare being put in. Or that we still have abortions being taxpayer funded or the buildings being funded.

My heart has been broken time and time again, in fact it's those brokenhearted right now that are supporting Mr. Trump because they are tired of the status quo politician right there. And I'm sorry I don't feel sorry for them, I feel sorry for the people who have been ignored for the last eight years, who have lost to election cycle because people like Mitt Romney refuse to actually deal with the main issues that are dealing with Main Street today.

[19:10:05] BLOW: But it's not only broken hearts that is supporting Donald Trump, it is also some blackened hearts that is supporting Donald Trump. These are people who are willing to turn a blind eye to his racism, his nativism, his sexism and say, I will hold my nose and I will ignore the fact that I know that this is true. And the only thing that I want you not to do is to say it out loud. Those are blackened hearts, those are not broken hearts.

HUGHES: That's a bad accusation.

BROWN: But when you look at establishment Republicans, some of the leadership say look, "I support Donald Trump but what he said was racists, I condemn these comments," and then you have others who would just say, "I can't support him at all," what do you make of that Scottie?

HUGHES: You know, we're aloud to have our -- you're allowed to have opinions, and some do believe that those are bad, the majority of Republicans according to the latest poll that came out, actually I think it's 65 percent according to the YouGov poll, says they did not believe that Mr. Trump was racist or that his comments were meant to be racist.

You know, it's all about the opinion that you're looking at, and so sitting there and says they're blackened heart, I don't think that's, it's from whatever angle you want to look at if the glass is half full or glass half not. But once again, these are guys right here that for the last eight years have ignored conservative, ignored the voices and then all the sudden they expect us to feel sorry for them. You know, a lot of these guys I think are afraid for their own hide (ph), they're afraid for their own job, and that their own little Ponzi scheme up in D.C. is about to be exposed when Mr. Trump goes after them because you know, the pork stops here under my budget, under my Congress, we are going to be better than what we've done in the last eight years that have gotten us $19 trillion in debt.

BROWN: All right, Charles Blow, we have to end this there unfortunately but there's always more to say isn't there? And guess what ...

BLOW: Yes, there is.

BROWN: ... we have several more months until election day, so we'll have plenty of time for that. Thank you to you both. I appreciate you coming on, on this Saturday.

BLOW: All right.

BROWN: So what does Bernie Sanders really want? The candidate talks to Jake Tapper about what happens next. And how he'll help defeat Trump, that's tomorrow morning at 9:00 eastern on CNN State of the Union with Jake Tapper.

Did the man in the center of the Stanford rape case lie to the judge? New evidence suggests Brock Turner tried to mislead a judge who sentenced him to just six months in jail. We're live from Palo Alto up next. And I'll speak with a victim of rape to find out what she thinks of the sentence and whether this could be a turning point for how schools handle these crimes. Also, Hillary Clinton has already made history as the first female presumptive nominee for the White House, could she double down with a historic, feature women as a president and V.P.? And would that lock down the female vote? That is ahead live in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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BROWN: Well the Stanford rape case has taken another shocking turn. New revelations about what was found on the phone of Stanford University swimmer Brock Turner, who was found guilty of sexually abusing an unconscious woman. Joining me now is CNN Sara Sidner. So walk us through Sara, what was revealed in these new court documents that were just released.

SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There are a lot of details and hundreds of pages that have come out from the court documents. And some of them talked about Brock Turner himself, both in his own words and in those of the words who are against him, including the prosecutor who says it appears he didn't tell the judge the truth about his prior history with alcohol and drugs.

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CHIRLENE MCCRAY, WIFE OF NEW YORK MAYOR BILL DE BLASIO: You don't know me but you've been inside me and that's why we're here today.

CYNTHIA NIXON, ACTRESS: I was butt naked all the way down to my boots, legs spread apart and had been penetrated by a foreign object by someone I did not recognize.

ASHLEY BANFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: I stood there examining my body beneath a stream of water and I decided I don't want my body anymore.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The searing words of a sexual assault victim brought to life by people who have never met her but want her voice heard, the 12-page letter first read allowed in court by the 23-year- old sexual assault victim to her 20-year-old attacker, former Stanford student and swimmer Brock Turner. The two go to the same party, both drink too much and Brock Turner attacks her.

Two graduate students find her unconscious behind a dumpster. A jury convicts Turner of three felony counts. The prosecutor asked for six years in jail, the judge sentences him to just six months in jail and three years probation, inline with the probation officer's recommendation. His ruling sparks outrage.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It says, "If you are raped on a college campus in California you are on your own." And to potential perpetrators it says, "Don't worry, we have your back."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now more than a million people have signed online petitions calling for the judge to be recalled, those petitions now delivered to the California judicial performance commission. And the fury is still growing as letters to court from Brock Turner, his father and supporters become public. In Brock's letter to the court, he apologizes saying in part, "It debilitates me to think that my actions have caused emotional and physical stress that is completely unwarranted and unfair." But he also blames campus culture for some of his actions.

"Coming from a small town in Ohio, I had never really experienced celebrating or partying that involves alcohol," he says. But the prosecution submitted evidence to the judge that Turner was doing a lot more of drinking, some of it before arriving at Stanford. 2014 texts from his phone show him asking for pot and talking about doing acid.

And when his father tried to defend him, his words angered the public even more, saying impart, "His life would never be the one he dreamed about and worked so hard to achieve. That is a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action out of is 20 plus years of life." But in this case it was the deeply personal words of the victim that stirred the nation and put a spotlight on an issue so often kept in the dark. Her words now inspiring others to tell their stories.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am really upset about this lenient sentence because I'm basically y sentenced to life as a survivor of this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And she says she too was a victim of rape and that her attacker did end up spending less than a year in jail. Getting a lot of people to take a look at this case and read those 12 searing pages that the victim wrote and then says to her attacker in person in court, but there's also outrage about the amount of time he will actually spend in jail. Just 50 percent of his sentence, which is California law so he should be out on September 22nd. Pamela.

BROWN: That is certain spurring the outrage, Sara Sidner, thank you so much for that.

And six months jail sentence given to Brock Turner along life as a registered sex offender, there's been a massive public outcry and petitions to remove Judge Aaron Persky already garnering more than a million signatures.

And I want to talk this over with an advocate for sexual assault survivor, Liz Seccuro, author of the book, "Crash Into Me," about surviving her own rape during college back in the 1980s. Liz, so nice to have you on. Bottom line, do you think this verdict cuts it?

LIZ SECCURO, AUTHOR, "CRASH INTO ME": Well absolutely not when there's 1 million signatures prove as much. It mirrors my own case so much but was 30 years ago. And my rapist also served less than six months.

[19:20:03] So it's very eerie for me but I am so moved by the activism of all people. This is not like an election or anything else. It seems as though all of America is really enraged by this, and by enraged I mean driven to appropriate anger where we can make change. And in the whole idea of his father, oh, he can't enjoy his steaks and the U.S. swim team suspending him -- association suspending him. I think really is about the judge, it's about the flippant way that the father and the supporters have written. But at the end of the day it has to be about this harrowing, about the beautiful, beautiful words of this victim, survivor.

BROWN: And I want to -- we're going to talk about that letter shortly, but I want to touch on what a woman wrote to the court and she's one of Brock Turner's friends that I think is pretty telling in how some people view rape sexual assault in college campuses. She says, "This is completely different from a woman getting kidnapped and raped as she is walking to her car in a parking lot. That is a rapist. These are not rapist, these are idiot boys and girls having too much to drink and not be aware of their surroundings and having clouded judgment."

What is your reaction to that, Liz? Do you think that there's just a fundamental lack of understanding about what constitutes sexual assault and rape?

SECCURO: Absolutely, and I speak on campuses around the country about this. When we begin to conflate binge drinking with sexual assault, even though more than 50 percent of a time that's involved, they're two separate issues, and for this friend, I believer her name -- I probably can't say it ...

BROWN: Leslie Rasmussen.

SECCURO: ... to say -- Leslie Rasmussen, you need to be kidnapped in a dark parking lot by a stranger with ski mask, that whole mean, that whole trope has got to end. I think we finally realize that it's not about that. What she's saying is, rape is not rape, campus rape is not rape, rape, only that kind of rape if rape. I mean it's just ridiculous.

BROWN: And so often, you know, people -- as in this letter point, talking about, you know, the victim basically brought harm to herself because she was drinking so much, and as a result of her behavior became unconscious, the victim in her part, the survivor I should say, raised this question in the letter. And I want to read this to you, she says, "The fact that Brock was a star athlete at a prestigious university should not be seen as an entitlement to leniency, but as an opportunity to send a strong cultural message that sexual assault is against the law regardless of social class. If I had been sexually assaulted by an unathletic guy from a college, what would his sentence be?"

We heard our CNN reporter read a quote from the mother who denied white privilege, but what is your thought on this? What do you think? Do you think a nonwhite, non-star athlete would have gotten a more severe punishment, Liz?

SECCURO: 1,000 percent yes. If this rape had been a man of color, he would have gotten the full 14 years, I have no doubt in my mind. And I think that's what we need to talk about, and we also need to think about the whole idea that he's been portrayed in the press, I've been following this for over a year as the, the hopes are dashed, he was a promising ivy league swimmer, scholar athlete where she was the girl who drank too much and oh, this happened to her, and so she, you know, the underlying current is that she deserved it.

I receive mail to this day that I deserved what happened to me. I was in much the same position. So, I think that we need to understand that the only thing responsible for the rape is the rapist. And it's about time that we all banded together. Where has our empathy for our fellow man gone? Where has -- I mean I think that these words from this very strong survivor, they have turned the tied but sadly it's only because there's been a conviction.

If we had not have these two very brave and wonderful Swedish graduate students, we wouldn't have had eye witnesses ...

BROWN: Right.

SECCURO: ... we wouldn't have had file, and, you know, what about the 99 percent of -- I'm sorry, that's not the exact thing, but only 3 out of 100 rapes are reported, what about the other 97 young men and women who are sexually abused, who it's just a he said, she said, there has been drinking involved. You know, it's just -- I do feel this is progress because there some measure of justice however wrong. Judge Persky really needs to look -- I hope he doesn't, you know, I really hope that this calls for his recall, I hope that the recall actually goes through.

But, at the end of the day, I really send so much feeling and so much kinship with this beautiful survivor and the words that Joe Biden shared with her, I do not know your name, but I am here for you.

BROWN: Yeah. You are not the only felling that way, I think that she's really inspired a lot of people across the country and certainly her words have helped to bring more attention to this very important case.

[19:25:06] Liz Seccuro, thank you so much for coming on and talking with us ...

SECCURO: Thank you.

BROWN: ... we do appreciate it. And be sure to watch Tuesday night, Ashley Banfield and Alisyn Camerota are hosting a town hall on sexual assault, that's at 9:00 eastern only on CNN. We'll be right back.

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BROWN: Well now that Hillary Clinton has turned a corner as the presumptive Democrat nominee, the first woman in the nation to do so, women's rights are coming into focus on the campaign as well. Clinton has already made it clear she plans to use it as a weapon against her presumptive GOP opponent.

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HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: When Donald Trump says, "Let's make America great again," that is code for let's take America backward. Back to a time when opportunity and dignity were reserved for some not all, back to the days when abortion was illegal, women had far fewer options and life for too many girls was limited. Well, Donald, those days are over.

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BROWN: So let's talk about all of this, Scottie Neil Hughes, political rightalert.com, and Lauren Leader-Chivee, co-founder and CEO of the All in Together Campaign, a non-partisan women's political leadership organization, thank you for coming on ladies, I look forward to speaking with you. Lauren I'm just curious what your view is, how much weight do you think this carries that Hillary Clinton is the first female of the presumptive nominee of a major party?

LAUREN LEADER-CHIVEE, CO-FOUNDER AND CEO, ALL IN TOGETHER CAMPAIGN: I mean it is incredibly important and it's important for all women, Republicans and Democrats by the way, that we have an example of a woman who's able to break through.

[19:30:03] You know, it has been 32 years, since we had any one comes even close, Geraldine Ferraro as vice president and I remember it very well, I was inspired by her as a young girl, to see that is an important message and you know, obviously, you know, there are 76 million women, registered to vote in the United States, they don't all support her, obviously, you have two guests on today that have different views about her, but it is important, it is important for the future, it's important for political participation, women across the country are actually under engaged politically, they out vote men in national elections, but in almost every other measure of political engagement, women are far behind, they are not running for office, they are not stepping up to lead and that's something we need women to do on both sides of the aisle regardless of their politics.

So my hope is that her presence, again whether you support her or not will inspire another generation of women to get engaged in the political process.

BROWN: And Scottie, do you think this makes Donald Trump more vulnerable on women?

SCOTTIE NEIL HUGHES, POLITICAL EDITOR, RIGHTALERS.COM: I don't think more vulnerable and I agree this is great to have a woman as the presumptive nominee, but let's not forget we also had Sarah Palin in 2008. She actually is the VP candidate of a major party ticket but I think that's where the accolades actually end and I think at this point we actually need to move these people and we take gender out of it, even though it's going to be (INAUDIBLE) as often as possible and look at the policies for both men and women for Americans and who actually has to offer, I think that we've (INAUDIBLE) nomination status, she's gotten her ribbon and her sash, that's fantastic. Now let's actually look at whether it can be for all Americans and families as a whole.

BROWN: And Lauren, we know that Clinton met recently with Massachusetts senator democratic Elizabeth Warren, a big Trump critic, known as progressive. She is now backing Clinton, could she be a VP pick, in your view, is the country ready for a two woman party ticket?

CHIVEE: I'll say that a months ago I didn't think she would be a VP pick because I thought the Clinton campaign would like to attract and peel off Republican women or Republicans who are turned off by Trump, there is a good number of those and it has been well documented and well reported I think with question becomes whether she does better by attracting Sander' voters which is actually a totally different end of the spectrum.

Elizabeth Warren is someone who incites enormous passion among progressives but she's also been a big critic of the business and I think that's going to be a tough one for even moderate Republicans to swallow. So I think it winds up being a real pretty dramatic either or for Hillary.

On the other side, I do think that it is, something that would be incredibly exciting. We've never seen it before but her policies are definitely, you know, of the Sanders and of the democratic party are much more progressive, you know, left leaning side, so it has not always been a comfortable place for Hillary. So we'll see. It's going to be a fascinating journey to watch. I'm more convinced than I was a couple of weeks ago that she actually could end up picked but I didn't think that would be the case but now that we see the passion, the energy from Sanders' voters and how powerful they really have been, I suspect the calculus will be, that's a better bid that somebody who comes more

from the center.

BROWN: Until there's an announcement the VP speculation for both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton continue to swirl.

Scottie Nell-Hughes, Lauren, we do appreciate it. Thank you so much.

UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: Thanks for having me.

BROWN: Up next the latest on the tragic story we have been following for you all day. Why would anyone want to kill a 22 year old singer just starting her career? Police are trying to figure that out. The latest on the shooting of singe Christina Grimmie, up next.

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BRONW: Police have identified the gunman who shot and killed singer, Christina Grimmie, after her concert in Florida last night. They say the shooter 27 year old Kevin James Loibl traveled to Grimmie's show specifically to carry out the cold blooded crime. They also reveal, so far they find zero evidence the Loibl even know the singer personally. Grimmie who was just 22 years old rose to fame after competing on "The Voice" and I want to take a moment to show you just how talented she was

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(MUSIC PLAYING) BROWN: CNN's Boris Sanchez has been following this investigation. Boris, he joins me from Orlando. Do police know why Loibl did this, Boris?

BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It seems totally senseless, Pamela. That's what investigators are trying to figure out right now. Again, they just identified the shooter, this afternoon, Kevin James Loibl, 27 year old from St. Petersburg, Florida. Shortly, after we got his name, we reached out to some of his family members and some of his neighbours, we got no response from them, but a CNN affiliates did go to his home, and they found a note posted on the front door of the home. I want to show it to you and read it to you now.

It reads "deepest sorrow for loss to the family, friends and fans of the very talented, loving Christina Grimmie." No other comments.

The family, of course, is shying away from cameras understandably at this point. Loibl is believed to have killed her here at the Plaza Live in orlando. He apparently drove more than two hours specifically on Friday night, to target her, again, a seemingly senseless act. Police believed that she was signing autographs for fans right after her concert when he approached her with two small caliber handguns, and open fire.

At that point her brother, Marcus, jumped in action and tackled him to the ground. During the scuffle, it appears that the gun man took his own life. Orlando police is calling Christina's brother, Marcus, a hero, saying that he prevented other people from getting hurt. All day we've seen fans come out and leave momentos at a memorial for her here in Orlando. We've also seen a lot of her celebrity friends on social media, reaching out and offering condolences and prayers to her family, a senseless tragedy here in Orlando. Pamela.

BROWN: It surely it. Boris Sanchez, thank you for bringing us the latest there from Orlando. Our thoughts and prayers are with her family.

Up next, live in the CNN "NEWSROOM," Detroit may have survived bankruptcy but its got the scars to prove it. We are going to talk to a Wall Street CEO who is betting a fortune on the Motor City and he thinks it will pay off.

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BROWN: Welcome back, live in the "CNN NEWSROOM," walk through Detroit and you can still see the scars of the nation's largest city ever to go bankrupt, even in the heart of downtown, empty department store windows are still not an uncommon sight, but one huge Wall Street bank is betting $100 million on the Motor City, JP Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon tells CNN's Poppy Harlow why he thinks Detroit is worth the investment.

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MAYOR MIKE DUGGAN, DETROIT: We've kicked off a Detroit promise -

POPPY HARLOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): If you ask Mayor Mike Duggan, his city is like the come back kid.

DUGGAN: What you have in this city is a bunch of really hard working people who don't spend a lot of time feeling sorry for ourselves and are working on turning the city around.

HARLOW: Two years after Detroit became the biggest American city ever to go bankrupt, the motor city is on the mend. But post bankruptcy it is still battered and bruised. Unemployment is more than twice the national average. But there is a sense of revival here.

DUGGAN: We have a long way to go. I mean we still have 30,000 vacant houses in this city, but we had to get rid of. Two years ago, we had 40,000, now that we are headed in the right direction you can get a house and you can get a store front and open a business far cheaper than any other major city in America.

HARLOW: But the financial crisis and rampant foreclosures hit Detroit hard and many here still point their fingers squarely at Wall Street. A man they likely didn't expect to see a lot of in their city is the CEO of the biggest bank in the country JP Morgan's Jamie Dimon.

JAMES DIMON, CEO, J.P. MORGAN: JP Morgan Chase was found in Detroit. We we're the biggest bank here, consumer, commercial large corporate, so it is an important town to us and of course, we watched Detroit become a train wreck for 20 years and so my heart goes out for the people in Detroit but when we saw this mayor and this mayor is practical and thoughtful and not sanctimonious, ideological, let's turn the lights on, let's get sanitation better, let's rebuild abandoned homes, we have some abandoned homes, let's get businesses back in town, we said we're willing to help this guy (INAUDIBLE).

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HARLOW: JP Morgan is now two years into a $100 million investment in Detroit. The money is funding loans for minority owned businesses and going toward job training and affordable housing.

(on camera): So what do you say to those who point to Wall Street, to the big banks and say you were part of creating this mess, the mortgage meltdown, the foreclosures?

DIMON: JP Morgan, obviously made mistakes, and stuff like that but to me, we were also steadfast. So (INAUDIBLE) we were here in the darkest moments of all time, we didn't run, we didn't hide, all the big banks rolled over trillions of dollars in loans, when the marketplace wasn't willing to, but we made mistakes, (INAUDIBLE) we learn from them and move on.

DUGGAN: You don't normally have a bank come up to a city in distress and say we want to help you. But it has been remarkable, the sincerity of what they have done. We sit in a room together and we brainstormed together what we need to do next.

HARLOW: So for those who say this is a PR move by a big bank post crisis you say?

DUGGAN: I just look at what people do. JP Morgan Chase is embedded here. They've been a central part of this city's comeback.

DIMON: (INAUDIBLE) it could be the great American recovery, (INAUDIBLE) but somehow we all pull together at the right point and pull out of the worst zone.

HARLOW: Did you think of leaving Detroit all together?

UNIDENTIFED MALE: Absolutely, I was seriously considering moving to Washington D.C.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) sure.

UNIDENTIFED MALE: I want to see what type of driver (INAUDIBLE).

HARLOW (voice-over): Angel and Martin Paris stayed because after maxing out credit cards and borrowing from friends and family to keep their electrical company running, they got a $100,00 loan from the Detroit Development Fund, financed by JP Morgan's Entrepreneurs of Color Fund.

UNIDENTIFED MALE: Before, basically, we were living, surviving day to day, we use our personal credit cards whatever personal cash we had.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It actually took us to the next level.

HARLOW: The more they grow the more they hire and each new electrician job at their company comes with a $30 an hour wage. Martin Paris says he's grateful for this loan that they've received. And he wants to see other big businesses as a whole do more.

(on camera): The role of big business today, what is it when you look the broader economy?

I don't think they're helping enough, helping the small guys or small minority businesses or businesses, period.

What's the role of big business in helping turn around these American cities?

DIMON: I think it's big companies, I say collaboration. Businesses can help schools to train people, to hire the people.

HARLOW: What happens if America waits for things to get worse?

DIMON: It is always better to do it quicker, unfortunately, sometimes unfortunately the body politics are unable to do that the train crash or the car crash before you put up the stop sign, but instead of sitting down looking for solutions (INAUDIBLE) and blame the other person and that is always the train wreck.

HARLOW: The Detroit public schools are on their knees, they are in utter disrepair. How can Detroit truly rise if its schools don't get better? DIMON: This is probably one of the biggest disaster, not just

Detroit, a lot of inner city schools in America. Americans must understand that 50 percent or something like that kids in inner city schools often poor or from minority don't graduate and doesn't necessarily have the skills to get a job. That is the biggest disgrace this country. We should be ringing every alarm bell (INAUDIBLE) saying this shouldn't be allowed and among those not graduating, there might be a Steve Jobs or Barack Obama, we will never know.

HARLOW: What is key to Detroit's revival is just getting people to stay here, to build businesses, to buy houses, to pay taxes and to reverse a nearly six-decade decline in this city's population.

DUGGAN: I'm 57 years old, I was born here and the population of Detroit has dropped every single year I've been alive and I do believe when the Census Bureau's numbers come out next May we will have reversed that six decade decline. I think JP Morgan is going make a lot of money off of Detroit because they're investing in the city, at the time the city is down and they're going to be a central part of the growth.

HARLOW: Do you see Detroit as a smart investment?

DIMON: I hope so. If it doesn't work, I will feel far worse for the people of Detroit than I do for the people of JP Morgan.

I hope we're going to be a little part of turning around this great city.

HARLOW: What's your measure of success?

DIMON: If I had to pick one or two, the unemployment has gone from 17 percent to 11 or 10, if it goes down to, eight, seven, six. That's success. (INAUDIBLE) is going up and real estate values. I think there are 60,000 small businesses here, 50,000 minority owned houses. If you can make 60,000, 70,000, that will be (INAUDIBLE) the difference.

DUGGAN: The real turnaround in the economy will come from all the small entrepreneurs and you are seeing hundreds (INAUDIBLE) city. I'm a great believer that talent is distributed equally across this country, what isn't distributed equally is opportunity.

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HARLOW: In Detroit, one of the most powerful men on Wall Street sees perhaps a lesson for a politically fractured America.

DIMON: You now have in this city a beautiful example of government not for profit, businesses collaborating to fix it. You really get a feeling Detroit is only trying to help the people of Detroit, all the people of Detroit. Not Democrats versus Republicans, all the people of Detroit.

HARLOW: What is the number one thing you want people watching right now to think when they think of Detroit?

DUGGAN: This is going to sound strange, but -

HARLOW: Give it to me.

DUGGAN: Detroiters really don't care what people outside think. They really don't. We're beaten up for so long. So you ask that question, it's a funny thought. Detroiters want to feel pride in their city coming back, and I think you're seeing it.

HARLOW (voice-over): Poppy Harlow, CNN, Detroit.

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BROWN: Great report from our Poppy Harlow. To see more of Poppy's interview with Jamie Dimon and other financial news, log on to cnnmoney.com.

Up next, live in the CNN "NEWSROOM" rapper Snoop Dogg is one famous dog throwing his support behind Hillary Clinton. CNN's Jeanne Moss discover, Donald Trump might not be doing so well with actual canines, especially a pair of hungry weiner dogs.

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BROWN: Welcome back live to the CNN "NEWSROOM." A third grader in California is a huge Trump supporter. That didn't go over so well with the kids at his school, or apparently, his dogs. CNN's Jeanne Moos explains.

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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is the story of how a Make America Great Again hat ended up looking not so great. The hat belongs to this nine-year-old Trump supporter.

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UNIDENTIFED MALE: He's not a politicians but he knows what this country needs.

MOOS: Logan (INAUDIBLE) got his hat autographed by Trump himself at a recent rally. Logan said he even touched Donald's hair.

UNIDENTIFED MALE: It felt softer than a puppy.

MOOS: But when Logan wears his hat to school in Fresno, California, kids who don't like Trump gave him a hard time. The student was asked to temporarily remove his hat only after there was an incident of substantial disruption, says the Fresno Unified School superintendent.

Logan refused to remove his hat and then stayed home.

(on camera): As the controversy continued to swirl around him, Logan decided to take a dip in the pool. He took off his hat and left it on the patio table. That's where his stepmom's dachshunds found it. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think she's a Hillary supporter.

MOOS (voice-over): Was the culprit Annie or could it have been Louie?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Are you a Bernie supporter?

MOOS: Secret weiner dogs for Bernie or dachshunds for Hillary?

UNIDENTIFED MALE: The dogs didn't get to the signature.

MOOS: The Trump campaign says it's sending Logan a care package, including a replacement hat. Forget Make America Great again, make his hat great again.

Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.

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BROWN: We have got a great night of television for you. At 8:00, "Why They Hate Us." Fareed Zakaria explains why he believes Islamic terrorist hates America or the west. They hate the modern world.

And to get in at 9:00, the "United Shades of America" marathon kicking off with the "The New KKK." And then at 10:00, "Latino USA." And at 11:00, "Protecting Serf (ph)."

I'm Pamela Brown in Washington, I'll be back live in the CNN "NEWSROOM" tomorrow. I hope you have a great night.