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Investigation into Killer's Wife; Nightclub Shooting; Victims Rushed to Hospital; Survivor's Story. Aired 2-2:30p ET

Aired June 14, 2016 - 14:00   ET

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[14:00:00] WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Eastern in "The Situation Room."

Our special coverage continues right now.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Wolf, thank you so much. I'm Brooke Baldwin, live here in Orlando, Florida. You are watching CNN's special breaking news coverage of the terror attack inside of the Pulse nightclub just down that way here, the scene of the deadliest mass shooting in American history.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Anderson Cooper. I'm outside the Orlando Regional Medical Center. Twenty-seven patients are still being treated at this hour behind me, six of those still under intensive care in critical condition. You're about to hear a survivor tell his chilling account of what happened.

Also in the wake of the massacre, President Obama, Hillary Clinton hold two separate events with one target, Donald Trump and Republican critics. We'll play their fiery messages ahead.

BALDWIN: And we have just received word that there is now an active investigation into exactly how much the shooter's wife knew about his murderous plan. We have that.

Also, a major development today on this killer's motives. We are hearing reports that not only did he visit this Pulse Nightclub often, but a law enforcement official says he cased out Disney Springs, that is on Disneyworld property, one week before this nightclub shooting. We have all of that for you.

Let me bring in our CNN justice correspondent Pamela Brown on the investigation angle.

And, Pamela, let's begin with this killer's wife. I know that she is being cooperative with authorities. The question has to be, what did she know?

PAMELA BROWN, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely. And that's what investigators are trying to figure out, Brooke. We know that she has been talking to them. She's been giving some helpful information, particularly of some of the places that this gunman visited prior to the attack. And right now investigators are trying to see if there is a case to be made that she had prior knowledge of the attack and she didn't come forward to authorities. That is really what the focus is right now.

And, of course, if she knew about this and didn't come forward, that would be a crime. She would be - she could be charged if they can prove that. And so that is very much a focus right now. Interviews with her continue today. So, of course, we'll be keeping an eye on that.

And we're also learning, Brooke, more about the movements of this shooter in the hours and the days leading up to the attack. In fact, the day of we've learned that he spent several hours at this area called Disney Springs. It's about 20 minutes away from the nightclub. Unclear what he was doing there, but early - in early June, around the time he was buying his weapons, he also visited this Disney Springs area, including Pulse Nightclub. And so investigators believe that during that time he was casing, he was trying to scout out his potential targets. It gives you an idea, Brooke, that this was not a spur of the moment decision. That he was trying to figure out what his target would ultimately be.

Brooke.

BALDWIN: Pamela Brown, thank you for now.

Anderson, to you at the hospital.

COOPER: Thanks very much.

An extraordinary moment just a short time ago, both President Obama and Hillary Clinton talking, holding two separate events in two separate locations with one clear agenda, firing back at Donald Trump over their refusal to blame the massacre on, quote, "radical Islam." Here's what they said.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: For a while now the main contribution of some of my friends on the other side of the aisle have made in the fight against ISIL is to criticize this administration and me for not using the phrase "radical Islam." That's the key, they tell us. We can't beat ISIL unless we call them radical Islamists.

What exactly would using this label accomplish? Calling a threat by a different name does not make it go away. This is a political distraction. Not once has an adviser of mine said, man, if we really use that phrase, we're going to turn this whole thing around. Not once. And if we fall into the trap of painting all Muslims with a broad brush, and imply that we are at war with an entire religion, then we are doing the terrorist work for them.

We now have proposals from the presumptive Republican nominee for president of the United States to bar all Muslims from immigrating to America. We hear language that singles out immigrants and suggests entire religious communities are complicit in violence. Where does this stop?

[14:05:01] This is a country founded on basic freedoms, including freedom of religion. We don't have religious tests here. Our founders, our Constitution, our Bill of Rights are clear about that. And if we ever abandon those values, we would not only make it a lot easier to radicalize people here and around the world, but we would have betrayed the very things we are trying to protect.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESUMPTIVE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE: Donald Trump wants to be our next commander in chief.

Yesterday morning, just one day after the massacre, he went on TV and suggested that President Obama is on the side of the terrorists. Now, just think about that for a second. Even in a time of divided politics this is way beyond anything that should be said by someone running for president of United States.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: Well, that's the politics.

I want to bring in Pam Bondi, the Florida attorney general, to talk about what's happening here on the ground.

I know there's a lot you can't talk about in the investigation. I'm not going to press you on that. You've been meeting with family members.

PAM BONDI, FLORIDA ATTORNEY GENERAL: I have.

COOPER: What are you hearing from them? And I know you're concerned also about scams. Victims' families being scammed.

BONDI: Yes. Yes. You know, we have so many great Americans out there who want to donate, who are doing - you know, they're watching this on TV. They're seeing you give the names of these victims and people want to help and want to give. But, please, go to a legitimate disaster relief organization. Right now we don't know what's legitimate and what's not.

COOPER: There's hundreds of websites popping up.

BONDI: Hundreds.

COOPER: You're worried about some fake ones.

BONDI: Hundreds. Hundreds.

COOPER: Right.

BONDI: So, please. Also our legitimate disaster relief ones, some of the scam artists will change one letter in the name and come up with that so people who think they're helping all of these victims and their families -

COOPER: Right.

BONDI: Are, in fact, helping scammers. So, please, don't stop giving to the public - COOPER: Right.

BONDI: But just be vigilant in how you do it.

COOPER: I want to ask you - I saw you the other day saying that anyone who attacks the LGBT community, our LGBT community, you said, will be gone after with the full extent of the law.

BONDI: That's exactly right.

COOPER: I talked to a lot of gay and lesbian people here yesterday who are not fans of yours and who said that they thought you were being a hypocrite, that you for years have fought - you basically have gone after gay people, said that in court that gay people simply by fighting for marriage equality were trying to do harm to the people of Florida, to induce public harm I believe was the term you used in court. Do you really think you're a champion of the gay community?

BONDI: I - let me tell you, I - when I was sworn in as attorney general, I put my hand on a Bible and was sworn to uphold the constitution of the state of Florida. That's not a law. That was voted in to our state constitution by the voters of Florida. That's what I was defending. Had nothing to do - I've never said I don't like gay people. That's ridiculous.

COOPER: But you did say - but do you worry about using language accusing gay people of trying to do harm to the people of Florida -

BONDI: That -

COOPER: When doesn't that send a message to some people who might have bad ideas in mind?

BONDI: Anderson, I don't believe gay people could do harm to the state of Florida. (INAUDIBLE) -

COOPER: But you argued that in court.

BONDI: My lawyer argued a case defending what the Supreme Court allowed the voters to put in our state constitution.

COOPER: Right, but you were arguing that gay marriage, if there was gay marriage, if there was same-sex marriage, that would do harm to the people of Florida, since (ph) Florida society (ph).

BONDI: That it was constitutional to put that in the - in the constitution.

COOPER: Are you saying you did not believe it would do harm to Florida?

BONDI: Of course not. Of course not. Gay - gay - no, I've never said that. I - those words have never come out of my mouth.

COOPER: But you - that is - but that is specifically what you were arguing in court. BONDI: You - you know - no. No. What we argued was, it was in the

constitution of the state of Florida. Let me give you an example. Medical marijuana. A 12-year-old could get it if it passed. We took that to the Supreme Court. Because of that language - hold on. But if that passed, I would defend that as well because it's my job to defend what's in the constitution of the state of Florida. That's what it was about.

COOPER: The - the hotline that you've been talking about on television, which allows family members and spouses of the dead to get information -

BONDI: Yes.

COOPER: Which is incredibly important, and I appreciate you talking about on the air, had there been no gay marriage, had there been no same-sex marriage, you do realize that spouses, there would be no spouses, that boyfriends and girlfriends of the dead would not be able to get information and would not be able probably to even visit in the hospital here.

BONDI: Well, that's -

COOPER: Isn't there a sick irony in that?

BONDI: Well, yes, and let me tell you something - let me take it a step further. People aren't right now who are partners and aren't married officially aren't able to get information. So we're trying to assist them in getting information because early on we only had 24 people -

[14:10:01] COOPER: But isn't there a sick irony that you, for years, were fighting that very idea?

BONDI: I was defending the constitution of what over 69 percent of the voters put in the constitution.

COOPER: Right. But the - you know, the courts, the federal courts said that's not the constitution -

BONDI: Right, and -

COOPER: And you continued to fight it.

BONDI: No, that's why we rushed it to get it to the U.S. Supreme Court because we needed finality.

COOPER: Well, but before the Supreme Court, there was a federal judge and you continued to fight it after the federal judge ruled. And, in fact, you spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayer money fighting it.

BONDI: Well, Anderson, we rushed to get it to the Supreme Court. You know what today is about? Human beings.

COOPER: Right. BONDI: Today's about victims.

COOPER: It's about gay and lesbian victims.

BONDI: We are here - it sure is. LGBT victims.

COOPER: Right. Right. I'm just wondering -

BONDI: It's about -

COOPER: Is it hypocritical to -

BONDI: It's about Florida -

COOPER: To portray yourself as a champion of the gay community when - I'm just reflecting what a lot of gay people have told me they don't see you as this.

BONDI: I'm not - Anderson, I'm not portray myself as anything other than trying to help human beings -

COOPER: Right.

BONDI: Who have lost their lives, who are right behind us right now in hospital beds, who have family members who aren't getting the services they need. This morning, you know what I've been doing? Trying to fight with a funeral home for overcharging family members -

COOPER: And it's sickening.

BONDI: To bury their loved ones. I'm not championing anything other than Floridians. That's what this is about. We're about human beings.

COOPER: So -- right.

BONDI: And this is about victims who need help. This is about family members who need services. That's what this is about.

COOPER: It's just that - I will say, I have never really seen you talk about gays and lesbians and transgender people in a positive way until now. I read your Twitter history for the last year and I saw you tweeting about, you know, National Dog Month and National Shelter Dog Appreciation Day or Adopt a Shelter Dog Month. You know, it is Gay Pride Month. You've never even tweeted about Gay Pride Month. I mean -

BONDI: Well, actually, if you look at my website now, we have hands clasped together, all different color of rainbow hands of people -

COOPER: So you just put that up now?

BONDI: Yes, I did after this horrible tragedy, absolutely.

COOPER: Right. Right. Well -

BONDI: The only thing I'm championing are human beings whose lives were lost (INAUDIBLE). COOPER: So that's your message to gay and lesbian people here. Because, again, I'm just telling you what people have been telling me to ask you. Moving forward, do you see yourself as being a vocal champion for gay and lesbian citizens in this state?

BONDI: They are citizens just like anyone else. Of course. I - I - my goodness, Anderson, we've had 49 people murdered simply because they were in a bar at the wrong time.

COOPER: Right.

BONDI: That's right.

COOPER: Yes.

BONDI: I'm a career prosecutor. These family members are devastated.

COOPER: Well, that's good to hear because - yes.

BONDI: These surviving victims are devastated.

COOPER: Because I know, I talked -

BONDI: That's what this is about.

COOPER: Right. I know a lot of gay and lesbian people in this state want to feel that the people who represent them represent everybody in the state. I mean -

BONDI: We're human beings -

COOPER: Right.

BONDI: And that's what this is about.

COOPER: Well, I appreciate you talking to us.

BONDI: That's what this is about.

Thank you.

COOPER: Thank you. Thank you so much. Thanks for all you're doing on behalf of the victims.

BONDI: Thank you.

COOPER: Thanks. Pam Bondi.

We are now hearing from survivors of this attack, some of them from inside the hospital. Twenty-seven victims are still in the hospital. At least six of them remain in intensive care. We are also hearing heartbreaking, aspiring stories from the medical staff on duty that chaotic night. And as the attorney general was just talking about, the idea that anybody could be scammed right now is just shocking. We'll continue to follow up with her about her efforts to make sure that is not happening in this state. A chilling account from a survivor we have coming up who was shot

multiple times as the gunman went on his sickening rampage through the club. Take a listen.

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ANGEL COLON, SHOOTING SURVIVOR: Out of nowhere, I - we just hear a big shotgun. We just - we stopped what we were doing and then it just keeps going. That happened and we just grabbed each other. We started running. And, unfortunately, I was shot about three times in my leg. So I had fallen down.

I tried to get back up but everyone started running everywhere. I got trampled over. And I shattered and broke the bones on my left leg. So by this time, I - I couldn't walk at all. All I could do was just lay down there while everyone was just running on top of me trying to get to where they had to be. And all I could hear was the shotgun, one after another, and people screaming, people yelling for help.

By this time, this man, he goes into the other room. And I can just hear more shotguns going on. I thought I was a little safe at this time because, you know, it's giving everyone time to tackle him down or get him down. But, unfortunately, I hear him come back and he's shooting everyone that's already dead on the floor, making sure they're dead.

I was able to peek over and I can just see him shooting at everyone. And I can hear the shotguns closer and I look over and he shoots the girl next to me. And I'm just there laying down. I'm thinking, I'm next, I'm dead. So I don't know how but by the glory of God he shoots towards my head but it hits my hand. And then he shoots me again and it hits the side of my hip. I had no reaction. I was just prepared to just stay there laying down so he won't know that I'm alive.

[14:15:27] DR. KATHRYN BONDANI, ORLANDO REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER: We quickly got about five patients and that was a lot for us and we thought maybe that was going to be it and then they started lining up in the hallway. They weren't being brought in by ambulances. There was no paramedics coming in and giving us a report and dropping them off. They were being dropped off in truckloads and in ambulance loads.

COLON: I'm looking up and some cops, which I wish I can remember his face or his name because I'm, to this day, I'm grateful for him. He looks at me. He makes sure that I'm alive. And he grabs my hand and he's like, this is the only way I can take you out. I'm like, please carry me because I'm in pain right now.

DR. JOSEPH IBRAHIM, ORLANDO REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER: Upon entering the trauma bay, as Dr. Smith described, it was somewhat of a - what you would think of a war scene. The trauma bay was very full. We had patients in every corner.

DR. MICHAEL CHEATHAM, ORLANDO REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER: The difficulty in this case was that there was really no advance notice at all because of the proximity. Now, that was great for the patients, them being close, but it made it very difficult for the medical staff and the nursing staff to take care of these patients because they essentially were showing up without any notification at all and we really didn't know what their injuries were until they were brought into the trauma bay.

COLON: The way that you guys have taken care of us, in this hospital, is amazing. If it wasn't for you guys, I definitely would not be here. Every morning, in the middle of the night, afternoon, you guys are always there. And I really appreciate that. And I would love you guys forever for doing that for me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: I want to bring in CNN's chief medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta, who was at the news conference today. He's been inside the hospital talking with the medical staff about how they were responding to this incredible, horrific event. I mean it's - it's - the work that they have been doing is just extraordinary.

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: You know, they train and they drill - they drill for this sort of thing all the time. But, you know, I think, as everyone has said, and you've heard it, it's very hard to prepare for something like this. Part of it is just getting people to come in from the community, people who didn't even - weren't even on call coming in to help out. People from the children's hospital coming in to help out with the adults that were in here, as well. All that needed to happen. They had - they had 44 patients, as you heard, but many of those patients had multiple wounds, as well.

COOPER: Right.

GUPTA: And, Anderson, I think you and I were talking about this last night. These types of bullets, when they enter the body, they will tend to spin. They'll tumble (ph) -

COOPER: Right, an AR-15, it enters clean, but then it spins inside and goes in a strange direction and it wipes out what it's going through.

GUPTA: Yes, it causes a lot of damage inside and it looks like a pretty harmless, almost, entry wound. A very small entry wound, often times. But it can enter the lower abdomen here on the right side and end up in the upper left lung. They were describing situations like that. So all of that needed to happen.

Also, just to give you one example, a single patient has need four separate operations. One minute they can seem stable and then they can decline.

COOPER: Yes.

GUPTA: Has needed 90 units of blood.

COOPER: Wow!

GUPTA: One patient. So you can imagine, again, 44 patients all coming in around the same time. Twenty or 25 came in first, and then there was that hostage situation and there was sort of a lull. Doctors here didn't know, was that - was that it? Were there more patients coming? They really had no information.

COOPER: And people were being brought in, in the back of pickup trucks.

GUPTA: Yes. I mean, you know, so art of training, you have a paramedic who calls ahead -

COOPER: Right.

GUPTA: And they give you some heads up. A, we're coming, and, B, here's the injuries that we see so you can be ready. The patient's going to need a breathing -

COOPER: Right, they weren't getting any of that (INAUDIBLE).

GUPTA: They - they were getting none of that. So that part you can, you know, really have a hard time training for. They said - they said a pretty remarkable thing today, and that is that they believe - they're very optimistic about all the remaining patients now in the hospital. Remember right afterwards they thought the death toll was going to continue to increase.

COOPER: Right.

GUPTA: It has not since that - since that initial (INAUDIBLE).

COOPER: That's some good - good news in all of this bleakness.

Sanjay, thank you so much for that report.

Brooke, back to you.

BALDWIN: Anderson, Sanjay, thank you both so much. See you in just a second.

But coming up next here on CNN, we'll speaking with a hero from that horrific night here at the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando. A club goer waited in the parking lot for people as they escaped. He saw this young man coming at him, bloodied. What he did for that young man that potentially saved his life.

Also ahead, moments ago, more survivors speaking out from their hospital beds here. They described hiding in the bathroom as the gunman came in for them.

[14:19:40] I'm Brooke Baldwin. Anderson Cooper joining me for the next two hours. You are watching CNN's special live coverage here in Orlando, Florida.

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BALDWIN: Welcome back. You're watching special CNN live coverage here just about a block away from the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando.

And as we're hearing the different stories, a lot of hero stories emerging. The next young man you're about to meet isn't quite comfortable with the word "hero" just yet, but here is the story of nursing student Josh McGill. That night, in the wee hours of Sunday morning, he did a lot. And part of his story included helping this young man, club Pulse bartender Rodney Sumpter (ph). He was shot three times in his back and in his arms. He was bleeding profusely. Josh used his own shirt to make tourniquets to try to help keep Sumpter alive. He then rode along with him to the hospital, encouraging him to stay awake, saying to him, and I'm quoting him now, "God's got this."

Josh's heroism nearly broke him down and he shared a pretty - pretty stunning message on his Facebook page. Here's part of it.

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JOSH MCGILL, HELPED SAVE OTHERS AFTER ORLANDO CLUB SHOOTING: I'm happy to be alive. I'm happy that people that - did get out safely. I'm happy for Rodney. We're trying to do a meet and greet. Still working that out. I don't know for sure.

I know it's an act of heroism some of you are saying. It just, you know, I just did what I had to do in the time and, you know, I'm - I've been trying to keep it together and I think I'm finally at my breaking point.

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[14:25:12] BALDWIN: My goodness. And Josh is good enough to be with me now.

Thank you for joining me.

MCGILL: Yes, not a problem. Thank you for having me.

BALDWIN: You know, we were just - if I - you don't mind me sharing with everyone, you were saying you've gotten just a couple of hours of sleep really since all of this happened.

MCGILL: Yes.

BALDWIN: And when you were asleep, your friends overheard you saying "run"?

MCGILL: Run. They actually woke me up because I was whimpering and mumbling "run, run." So they woke me up and they have a service dog and he's actually for that kind of stuff, for people with anxiety and big old cuddling -

BALDWIN: You've been cuddling with the service dog to help - help you?

MCGILL: He - he knows. He won't - he has not left my side since they intervened with the while situation.

BALDWIN: Take me back.

MCGILL: Let's go.

BALDWIN: Let's go back to Saturday night. MCGILL: OK.

BALDWIN: When - where were you? What - around what time when you started hearing shots?

MCGILL: It was actually - it was after last call for alcohol. So last call is 1:45. We were at the corner main bar with our bartender friend Kate (ph). We frequent there often. She's amazing. We usually hang out in her corner. It was a typical, great Latino (ph) night (ph).

BALDWIN: Normal.

MCGILL: Yes. Nothing out of the -

BALDWIN: Good time. A little salsa.

MCGILL: Nothing out of the normal for us. We went to go close our tabs from last call and then we hear the initial three shots. Out of - you know, we don't know what gunshots usually sound like. That's not on the norm. So we did the -

BALDWIN: We hope not.

MCGILL: You know, the little duck and cover kind of thing. We didn't know if it was - what it was, fireworks, sound problems. It was a really loud club with music and the crowd. And then someone pulled my roommate down, which she pulled me down, which I pulled my other roommate down. So we were all on the ground. And luckily Kate's bar is the corner bar next to the patio exit, because they have a patio bar.

BALDWIN: Right.

MCGILL: So we crawled out to the patio bar. Stood up. We heard two more shots and that's when we realized and heard people screaming, running, hopping the fence.

BALDWIN: How did you get out?

MCGILL: We - initially we ran into the service area where the bartenders and bar backs frequently go back and forth so they don't have to go through the club themselves because the doors are metal so we figured we could barricade ourselves in. But then we heard shots from in there and it scared us so we ran back out the side. And there's like a patio bar fence surrounding and we hopped over that.

BALDWIN: And that's when you then at some point I read that you were hiding under a car.

MCGILL: We were running in the parking lot. I heard some more shots. So I got scared and hopped behind a car and kind of like hid underneath it and then multiple shots were being fired. My roommates had already ran and I can hear them yelling for me, like making sure where I'm at and I was like, I'm OK. You all keep running. I'm hiding. And so during my hiding, I kept hearing shots being fired after shots being fired. They got -

BALDWIN: It just didn't stop?

MCGILL: Yes. And it was like consistent. And like there's a few pauses here and there, but it was still like shot, shot.

As they got like more and more faint, I started to tell myself, OK, by this time the police are already set up a perimeter. I've just got to make it over there. Before making a run for it, that's when I saw Rodney. I didn't know who he was at the time. I just saw him in blood and all -

BALDWIN: You see this young man running at you - or not - was he even able to run? Was he just sort of -

MCGILL: He was - no, he was kind of swaying, he was stumbling and he - and I grabbed him, pulled him behind the car with me. And he was like, I think I got shot. And I was like looking at him and like on his - both of his arms, I was like, I think you got shot, too. And I was like, OK, we need to stop the bleeding. I took my shirt off, tied it really tight, as tight as I could. Took his shirt, tied it around his other shot wound on his other arm. I didn't even know about the back shot until -

BALDWIN: How did you know to do this, by the way?

MCGILL: I've been a lifeguard -

BALDWIN: Nursing -

MCGILL: I'm in - I'm a nursing student.

BALDWIN: So you just flung into that sort of mode?

MCGILL: Flung into - at first I did the flight psychologically, the fight and flight thing. I was, you know, fleeing and then when I saw him, I just got into fight mode and all I could think about was, I got to fight to save his life and mine.

BALDWIN: So he suffered three shots. I hear he's OK.

MCGILL: Yes.

BALDWIN: You're in touch with his aunt. Have you seen him yet?

MCGILL: I have not. Since everything, I have not seen him. But he's, you know, he's in and out with pain meds. So he's not really there yet. And we're also, you know, giving him time to comprehend.

BALDWIN: Absolutely. But eventually I'm sure you want to -

MCGILL: Eventually we're going to - his family is eager to meet me.

BALDWIN: Throw your arms around him.

MCGILL: I'm eager to meet them. I just want to give them all a big hug. BALDWIN: Let me ask you this. Just something that I can't appreciate

as someone who's never had to worry about holding somebody's hand in public. When I've been talking to my - my friends who have and they talk about how sacred a space a gay club, a gay bar is for them, a safe haven.

MCGILL: It is.

BALDWIN: Can you talk a little bit about that and why this is so absolutely atrocious?

[14:30:00] MCGILL: Because, like, it depends on the area, but Orlando is like a very big community with the gay scene and the LGBT. So like going to the club, you know, like a gay club for that matter, you know, we feel comfortable. We can be ourselves. You can hold hands, you know, dance on each other, kiss.