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Aired June 15, 2016 - 14:00   ET

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[14:00:00] RON HOPPER, FBI: Movements going back months, days, hours and minutes before the fatal act here at the Pulse Nightclub, and that is something we are looking at and scrubbing thoroughly. It's not anything I can share with you at the time.

QUESTION: What was the make and model of the firearms used?

HOPPER: I'm sorry.

QUESTION: What was the make and model of the firearms used?

HOPPER: All the firearms in this incident have been collected and are currently being processed back at Quantico, Virginia, but I will not comment on the types of firearms that were used.

QUESTION: When did the FBI become aware of the April trip that he took to Disneyworld?

HOPPER: What was the question?

QUESTION: When did the FBI become aware?

HOPPER: I don't have that information.

QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE) trip to Disney?

HOPPER: I don't have that information at this time.

QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE) do you believe that he was casing other targets, and have you been able to establish when (INAUDIBLE) or during the (INAUDIBLE)?

HOPPER: So that's a two-part question. The question was, are we aware of any other intended targets? I can tell you that we are continuing to pour through - pour through voluminous amounts of digital media, as well as interviews and other investigative techniques. And at this time there's nothing to suggest there was any other target other than the Pulse Nightclub.

What was the second - the second part, sir?

QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE).

HOPPER: With respect to the FaceBook page, that digital analysis is ongoing and I don't have the answer to that question. I'm sorry. QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE) was not the target? Is that what you're saying?

HOPPER: What I'm telling you is through the review that we've done of all the evidence thus far, this was the intended point of attack for that evening.

QUESTION: So no other target?

QUESTION: Is there any (INAUDIBLE) of any firearms fired in that club besides (INAUDIBLE)?

HOPPER: The question was, were any other firearms fired inside besides the shooter and the police. To my knowledge, no, not at this time. I'm not aware of any.

QUESTION: Sir, can you explain why you think only Pulse (INAUDIBLE) target (INAUDIBLE)?

HOPPER: I can't share that with you at this time.

QUESTION: Is anyone else being sought currently by the FBI in connection to this investigation?

HOPPER: I can tell you that right now, as we speak, there are no impending charges, and I will defer to the United States attorney to comment on that, but I will tell you that I gave you a commitment when I stood before you the very first day that this happened. We will leave no stone unturned. And what that means is, at the end of all of our interviews, however long that takes, if someone is able to be charged in this investigation, we will bring them to justice.

QUESTION: Were you notified by Disney that he was there (INAUDIBLE)?

HOPPER: I was not made aware of that accusation, no. Personally, I was not. I don't have any information.

QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE).

HOPPER: I'm sorry. I don't have any information regarding those allegations.

QUESTION: What can you tell us about the phone calls that he is reported to have made while he was inside, while the shooting was in progress?

HOPPER: There - unfortunately, because they are subject to the investigation, they are a matter of federal evidence. I can confirm there were phone calls made. We have them. We continue to review them and analyze them, not just in content, but where they came from, where they originated from, or where the calls there terminated. And so other than that there's nothing further I can comment.

QUESTION: Were you aware of any phone calls that occurred before his shooting?

HOPPER: I'm sure there are, but I'm not aware of any. QUESTION: Before (INAUDIBLE)?

HOPPER: I'm not aware of any at this time.

QUESTION: Are the reports credible that he had patronized some gay clubs in Orlando? Are those credible? Some witnesses have said that. Are they checking out?

HOPPER: I don't have any knowledge of him patronizing any other clubs than this one at this time.

QUESTION: Sir, are you - are you saying that if (INAUDIBLE)?

HOPPER: Ma'am, that's an open-ended question. When we are giving guard - when we are given leads for potential terrorist information, they have to meet a certain set of criteria before we can initiate an investigation, and that will be based on the totality of the circumstances at that time. It's kind of a nebulous question at this point.

QUESTION: Are you denying that it (INAUDIBLE)?

QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE) previous visit to the club a casing operation or something (INAUDIBLE)?

HOPPER: I will tell you that we're looking at everything. And I can't say that whether it's specifically looked at as a casing. We are looking at everything he did leading up to this attack. And as the director pointed out, we are going backwards as well to look at all of the things we knew about before and things that we've investigated in the past. This is an investigation that has an infinite - no finite end at this particular time, and that goes from the beginning. We're going to go back even further than we did if that's possible.

QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE) possibility of a second shooter?

HOPPER: I'm sorry.

QUESTION: Are you still ruling out the possibility of a second shooter?

HOPPER: The investigation is ongoing at this time, but I will tell you that the deceased subject right now is the main subject in this investigation. And so if you - we are continuing to do interviews to see if there's anybody that's associated, whether that means they were involved in the planning or the execution of this act, they will be brought to justice if and when we identify someone.

QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE) were there any explosives found in the club or was that all (INAUDIBLE)?

HOPPER: That's some - that's not something I can confirm for you at this time, but I will - I can confirm that at a later time.

[14:05:04] QUESTION: Can you say definitively whether there were or were not explosives found inside the car (ph)? HOPPER: I think she just asked that.

QUESTION: Is that what you just said?

HOPPER: Yes.

QUESTION: There's no -

HOPPER: The evidence - the crime scene, as I mentioned earlier, is still being processed, and it would be premature for me to comment on that at this time.

QUESTION: Have you (INAUDIBLE) have you finished interviewing him?

HOPPER: I can't - I don't have any information on that. I'm sorry. That was done down in the Miami division and I don't have that information handy.

QUESTION: Can you fill in the timeline between the first round of shots, (INAUDIBLE), and the second round the shots? (INAUDIBLE).

HOPPER: That would be something for Chief (INAUDIBLE). I can't comment on that.

QUESTION: How many hours?

HOPPER: Any other questions?

QUESTION: How did he get a long gun into the club (INAUDIBLE)?

HOPPER: I can't comment on that at this time.

QUESTION: He went to that club intending to die or intending to get out?

HOPPER: Excuse me.

QUESTION: Did he go in that club intending to die or intending to escape?

HOPPER: That's something we're attempting to determine during the course of the investigation. And again, because the crime scene has not been released, and all of our interviews have not been completed, I can't comment on that at this time.

QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE) hate crime?

HOPPER: Here's what I would say about that. This was an act of violence born out of hate that inflicted terror on an entire community. So I would call it a hate crime. I would call it terrorism. It's both.

Next question.

QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE).

HOPPER: I'm not going to comment on our investigative techniques at this time.

QUESTION: Was there any other doors locked?

QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE).

HOPPER: I don't have the results of those and so I can't comment on that.

QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE).

HOPPER: Excuse me.

QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE).

HOPPER: Is the shooter's car still here? That is still a matter of federal evidence. It's still in our custody.

QUESTION: Is there any surveillance videos (INAUDIBLE)?

HOPPER: It's - it's a good question. I can tell you that we are combing not just the street but everywhere we believe the shooter to have been, as I mentioned, in the coming days before this event. And so we are collecting all digital video, electronic evidence that we can. And again, I would ask anyone out there that they think - that thinks they may have something of FBI concern, bring it to us, no matter how small. We do want to see anything you have that you may have concern with.

QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE).

HOPPER: I don't have the answer to that.

QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE), think that the FBI was not aware -

HOPPER: I'm not going to comment on that any more. I've given you my answer regarding Disney.

Next question.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Last question.

QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE) in the state of Florida. Do we have any other (INAUDIBLE) or anything else that people should be concerned about? Is there any other (INAUDIBLE)?

HOPPER: As I mentioned before, there are no current, credible, singular threats facing Florida or the nation to my knowledge. You can be assured that if and when something like that rises to our attention, we will make sure the public is acutely aware.

QUESTION: When do you expect to make all (ph) charges?

HOPPER: I'm sorry.

QUESTION: When do you expect to finalize your (INAUDIBLE)?

HOPPER: I'm going to refer to U.S.A. Bentley for that.

LEE BENTLEY, U.S. ATTORNEY: As I said before and as I said today, we do not know when charges will be finalized, to answer your question. Indeed we're not sure what charges will be brought or if charges will be brought. I can assure you that we are working with our law enforcement partners to find out everything we can about what happened at the Pulse Nightclub. We're using all law enforcement and legal tools to reconstruct not only the events of that night, but the events over the past several months, not only with respect to what the shooter did in Orlando, but what he did in Fort Pierce.

This is as exhaustive a review of evidence as you will find in the United States. We're leaving no stone unturned, but we simply cannot speculate on the timing of charges or whether there will be charges. It would really be unfair to not only any named person with respect to charges, but also to the public. We want to keep the public well informed and we do not (INAUDIBLE) idle speculation that will only hamper our efforts.

QUESTION: How far are you from wrapping up the entire investigation (INAUDIBLE)?

BENTLEY: We cannot put a time limit on that. The only limit we have is, we're going to go until we - we're absolutely satisfied that we've uncovered every bit of evidence that's out there and we've reviewed every possible charge. That's when this investigation will end. It might be a matter of days. It could be weeks. It could be years. There's simply no way to determine at this time how long the investigation will last.

QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE) charges?

QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE).

[14:10:02] BENTLEY: The question was whether we have any other suspects or persons of interest. I cannot answer that question directly, but I will tell you that we are investigating not only this crime but law enforcement is talking to everyone associated with the shooter. And that includes his family, his friends, people in businesses. It includes anyone who fell within the ambit of what the shooter was doing in the months leading up to the crime.

QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE)?

BENTLEY: I'm sorry.

QUESTION: Did she drive him to the (INAUDIBLE)?

BENTLEY: Is who cooperating?

QUESTION: His wife.

QUESTION: Is she cooperating with the (INAUDIBLE)?

BENTLEY: I cannot comment on the cooperation of any individual at this time. As Assistant Special Agent Hopper said, we are talking to literally hundreds of people, and any cooperation that we receive will be kept in confidence.

QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE).

GOV. RICK SCOTT (R), FLORIDA: (speaking in Spanish)

QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE).

SCOTT: I'll do it over there. I'll do Spanish separately.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is going to conclude our immediate brief at this point in time. (INAUDIBLE).

SCOTT: Thanks, everybody.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: All right, you are watching CNN here. We are live in Orlando. This is CNN's special coverage. I'm Brooke Baldwin. We are actually just in front of that news conference that just wrapped a moment ago, so you'll see a lot of people walking behind me. But in essence you heard from the mayor here in Orlando. You heard from the governor of the state of Florida. You heard from the U.S. attorney. You heard from the FBI. Not saying a whole lot as far as the investigation is concerned. Obviously, huge kudos go out to law enforcement here, the rapid response, the firefighters, EMS, 911 operators, police. But as far as hard facts into this investigation, into this massacre from over the weekend, not a lot.

But the question remains at this hour is the why. I can tell you that right now they are honing in on the killer's phone. It was damaged in the assault within that nightclub. It's still revealing some clues about the chilling calls that apparently, according to officials, that he did, in fact, made, including a phone call to a friend and also to a local TV producer. It's a CNN affiliate here in Orlando. He paused to make these phone calls mid attack.

We are also learning from investigators they are still focused very closely in on the killer's wife, what exactly did she know? If she knew something, did she try to stop him? Officials telling CNN she admits to knowing he wanted to carry out a jihadist attack, admits accompanying him to two potential targets, including going with him to this gay nightclub where he would then go on to murder 49 people. But again, you know, she's being cooperative according to authorities. She denies knowing anything about any sort of specific plot here at the Pulse Nightclub just down the street.

We also today have new information about the killer's connections and the use of online gay chat rooms, gay hookup sites, social media, that kind of thing.

So let me bring in two voices here, our justice correspondent, Pamela Brown, and Mark O'Mara, CNN legal analyst and criminal defense attorney.

So from you today we've learned as far as - to try to wrap your head around not only murdering 49 people, but stopping to pick up his cell phone in time to not only call this TV producer -

PAMELA BROWN, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Yes.

BALDWIN: To call a friend to say good-bye.

BROWN: Yes. To call a friend and say good-bye. And we know this is a critical person in this investigation, Brooke. Who is this person? Did he know what the gunman was going to do or was he completely in the dark and got this surprise call of his friend conducting a mass shooting? All of that is investigation.

But it is bizarre to law enforcement that he called 911 three times. He spoke Arabic during some of these calls. He called this TV producer, was kind of rambling there and then this friend who we are still learning about. We believe he's from Florida. But as you heard the FBI said, they're still trying to learn more about him. But the TV producer is interesting, too. Let's listen to what he actually said about receiving that phone call in the midst of the shooting.

BALDWIN: Sure.

[14:15:01] (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was at 2:45 when I had just received the phone call of someone claiming to be the Orlando shooter. I answered the phone, as I always do, "News 13, this is Matt." And on the other end I heard, do you know about the shooting? And I said, yes, I'm getting information. I'm receiving some calls right now. And he cut me off and he said, I'm the shooter.

He sounded really calm on the phone and he started saying that he did it for the Islamic State. He did it for ISIS. And then he started speaking in a foreign language. Thinking back now, it was most likely Arabic that he was speaking. And I said, sir, sir, can you please speak in English, and he started saying, I did it for ISIS. I did it for the Islamic State, again. And my - I didn't know what to say to him. I - I was just blown away and I asked him, you know, who is this, where are you? And he told me that's none of my f-ing business.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: All right, we'll bring Pamela back in, and Mark, in just a second. But so gracious to join us, Governor Scott here in Florida.

I am so sorry we're seeing each other under these circumstances. You just were part of this briefing here. And, you know, the obvious number one question is, based upon what you know, what you can share, what more do you know about the why?

GOV. RICK SCOTT (R), FLORIDA: Well, we don't know. I mean law enforcement is doing a good job. They're putting out information as quickly as they can. This investigation is going to take a while. They're very - you know, the FBI is very thorough. The police department's doing a great job. The sheriff's department. Actually everybody's working hard to try to find out what happened.

What we should really think about is these poor families. You go sit down with a family - I talked to a mom yesterday that just recant - recanted - or recounted the last day of her son's life and then how he bled to death because somebody told her about it. I talked to a dad who was just - he was (INAUDIBLE) about son but he's really furious about why he (INAUDIBLE) share better information, could that have stopped, because he doesn't want it to happen to somebody else.

BALDWIN: Better information between who?

SCOTT: Between the federal and local. I mean it's - you know, the - they're just grasping. They're grieving. And these (INAUDIBLE) kids age and these kids are dying. These are young people that died. It's a gay community. It's a Hispanic community. This is a loving state and a loving community and your heart goes out to them. We have to - everybody says, we've got to destroy ISIS. We've got to change what we're doing. We've got to vet better. We've got to do something different. That's what everybody's saying.

BALDWIN: Governor, what about the wife? I mean I just have to ask you these question and you can tell me you can't tell me, but what about the wife? You know, that she went with him to this Pulse Nightclub. Apparently she went with him. Investigators calling it sort of surveilling Disney Springs. How much did she know?

SCOTT: I know. I mean you hear all the stories that are coming out and you think, why didn't, you know, is there somebody that could have said something to stop these 49 lives from being slaughtered and murdered.

BALDWIN: And you don't know anything more about her involvement?

SCOTT: No. No.

BALDWIN: Where is she now?

SCOTT: I'm not sure. Law enforcement will dispose all - you know, in due time, as they, you know, do their investigation and come out with things.

BALDWIN: Do you have any idea why he chose this club?

SCOTT: Well, sure - sure - I mean clearly it was - you know, radical Islam. Clearly it was ISIS. Clearly it was an attack on our gay community, an attack on Hispanics. It was -

BALDWIN: He seemed confused, Hezbollah, al Qaeda, ISIS, gay community.

SCOTT: I know. It just - I mean there's so many unanswered questions. And - but, you know, we - this - this state's going to come back together, our nation will, but we've got to change what we're doing. We've got to get back - figure out how we destroy ISIS.

BALDWIN: I was talking to someone yesterday who rescued someone else from the club and -

SCOTT: Oh, I met with Chris Hanson (ph) yesterday.

BALDWIN: All these stories are coming out. But at the same time, he's telling me he's asleep and his friends are saying he's screaming "run" in his sleep. There were fears, very deep fears in this community, not only the gay community, but in Orlando overall. How would you even begin to allay those fears?

SCOTT: Well, I said in the press conference a few minutes ago, the first thing we have to do, we have - one, we have to love each other. But on top of that, we've got to respect what people are going through right now. Give them space. We don't need any protestors. That's not right. These people, they didn't try - you know, this was - you know, these - just this terror act against their family, they don't need any protestors protesting. They need people to give them space and let them grieve. And then this community, which it's doing, is coming together and taking care of everybody. We have great law enforcement, attorney general, we're doing - we're doing all the right things in our state but give them time and let them grieve and help them.

BALDWIN: Governor Scott, thank you so much for taking the time.

SCOTT: Thank you.

BALDWIN: I am so sorry. It's supposed to be a sanctuary, a safe - safe haven for a lot of the gay community I know here in Orlando.

SCOTT: I know.

BALDWIN: Thank you very much for your time.

SCOTT: Yes.

BALDWIN: I'm Brooke Baldwin here just about a block away from the Pulse Nightclub.

Joining me now, Anderson Cooper, over by one of the medical centers here.

Anderson, to you.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Brooke, thanks very much.

I want to bring in Art Roderick, a CNN law enforcement analyst and also a former assistant director for the U.S. Marshal's Office. Also Juliette Kayyem, CNN national security analyst and security consultant, former assistant secretary of homeland security.

Let's just talk about what we've heard from that press conference. Essentially the FBI appealing for information from the public. What does that tell you?

JULIETTE KAYYEM, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Yes. That's what we call crowd sourcing and investigation. And so there's a couple of reasons why they're doing that. I think they find it inconceivable that someone planned and executed an attack like this without anyone else knowing. There's the wife, but there might be others. So they're going out to the public, much like what happened after the Boston Marathon, saying, what do you know? Can you help us? So crowd sourcing - [14:20:16] COOPER: Somebody out there may still know something.

KAYYEM: And may not know that they know it. So it's sort of what they're - they're just appealing to a larger group of people than they have now and essentially I think it's inconceivable to them and inconceivable to a lot of us that someone could have done something like that on their own.

COOPER: Why? Just because the complexity of it or the time - the time it would take?

KAYYEM: It wasn't that it - it was - the time - I think it's just the magnitude.

COOPER: Or people talk?

KAYYEM: It's - people talk. He clearly wanted to be known. I mean he called and said so. He wasn't shy about his anger. And so just the idea that he could walk in, kill 50 people, and no one knows except for possibly the wife and I think that's what the FBI wants to make sure -

COOPER: Right.

KAYYEM: Make sure there's no accomplishes.

COOPER: I mean we know, going back years, he was saying derogatory comments about gay people and others. So much so that his - in talking about, you know, radical Islam, so much so that co-workers reported him to the FBI, was interviewed twice by the FBI. So they're going back years probably.

ART RODERICK, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: They're trying to reconstruct his life is basically what they're doing. We saw this same thing in San Bernardino, almost the exact language coming out. Remember they had a little gap in time. They were trying to fill that 15, 20 minute gap in. They're trying to fill this shooter's life in so they're casting a very wide net to pull in as much information as they can. They'll work up a timeline and go bit by bit by bit. And, I mean, this is - this is actually comforting to hear because it means they've got a lot of information already and they're just trying to fill in those gaps.

COOPER: When - and, you know, they've recovered his phone from the club. One hopes that he's basically an idiot, that he doesn't know about, you know, software, encryption software. I mean I say that not just to - because I think he's an idiot, but I mean he - at one point he was talking about al-Nusra, is was talking about ISIS, he's talking Hezbollah. I mean these are totally -

KAYYEM: Right.

COOPER: These are radical Islamic groups but they are from different perspectives and so you can't pledge allegiance to Hezbollah and ISIS and al-Nusra. They're actually competing. KAYYEM: So - yes. And I agree with you. I think this is different than

San Bernardino and Boston. I think this was a suicide. I think he knew - everyone was going to know he was part of ISIS and he was going to die. Remember Boston and San Bernardino, they tried to get away. They had -

COOPER: Well, this guy did, though, leave the club -

KAYYEM: He did, but -

COOPER: And was pushed back - I guess back in by a gunfight.

RODERICK: Yes.

KAYYEM: But we don't - we don't know whether -

COOPER: Right, details.

KAYYEM: But he didn't - he didn't appear to have an exit strategy. And then goes down in a shooting spree. So if he had no exit strategy, then we have to believe he did not encrypt anything. He wants people to know about his hatred, whether it's homophobia, whether it's ISIS, al Qaeda. You know, we think we're going to have a eureka moment and I just have to warn everyone, there's no eureka moment.

COOPER: There's not?

KAYYEM: He - his motivation is hatred. He was going to find it wherever - whoever was going to deliver it and he found it with a combination of terrorism and anti - you know, and homophobia.

COOPER: And for some of these people, I mean does identifying with a group like ISIS give sort of a justification for their hatred? I mean he's now in - among people who -

RODERICK: Right.

COOPER: Might admire him. He's not just some murdering thug, he's somebody who, you know, allegedly has a cause in mind.

RODERICK: Right. I think that's exactly what he was doing. And it's quite obvious from his tactics and from what he did, calling the TV producer, doing the 911 calls, that he was - he's been on the website checking out how do you - how do you do - how do you pull something off like this. And if you look at "Aspire" magazine and some of the jihadist websites, it's almost, this is what - this is how you do it.

COOPER: Right.

RODERICK: And if you look at that - look at what he did, boom, boom, right down the line.

COOPER: Yes. We're going to have a lot more with - all right, guys, thanks very much.

Brooke, back to you. BALDWIN: All right, Anderson, thank you so much here.

For the very first time we are hearing now what first responders did, their heroism when so many of these young men and women were just tearing out of that nightclub in the wee hours of Sunday morning. My exclusive with a 35-year veteran, this lieutenant, who happened to be one of four on duty when the calls came in just next door.

Also ahead, more breaking news here from Orlando, an alligator snatching a two-year-old little boy at a Disney Resort, at this lagoon. Now with the desperate search underway, Disney has closed all of its beaches. We will take you there and tell you what we know.

And politics today, Democrats right now filibustering on the Senate floor over individuals on the terror watch list being able to buy guns. It's a huge, huge, huge moment in Washington.

Stay here. I'm Brooke Baldwin in Orlando. This is CNN's special live coverage.

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[14:27:31] BALDWIN: Welcome back. I'm Brooke Baldwin. You're watching CNN's special live coverage here in Orlando.

We just heard from the governor here of Florida, Governor Rick Scott. Also heard from the FBI. One note, they did say that they are putting all of the gay clubs here in Orlando on a heightened alert, a heightened alert. We'll be talking to one of the owners of a huge club here, and we'll get his response to that and what they'll be doing, especially in anticipation of this next weekend.

But let me continue my conversation with Mark O'Mara, and also with Pamela Brown, before the governor stepped in. And so we were just listening a moment ago to this sound from this local TV producer who apparently had received this ominous phone call from the shooter mid massacre, speaking in, you know, Dari (ph), Arabic, we don't know, saying this is for the Islamic State and then you also know he called a friend.

BROWN: Yes, that's absolutely right. He called a friend to say good- bye apparently and perhaps there were other calls made. We heard from the FBI that - confirming there were calls seemingly outside of the 911 call just based on what I heard the FBI special agent in charge say. But beyond that, they're looking at the phone, Brooke, and looking at those calls, but also his phone

BALDWIN: His computer (ph).

BROWN: His phone. His phone was damaged. It was submerged in blood and water. So it's taking them a while to retrieve information from it. But the laptop has really provided some useful information to investigators. It's being analyzed at Quantico. And we've learned that there are actually websites that he had been searching that were gay websites and he was in these gay chat rooms for some time.

BALDWIN: Communicating with transgender women, gay men.

BROWN: Communicating with - exactly, transgender women, gay men. In fact, my colleague, Brian Todd, spoke to one of the - the gay men who was on Grinder and said that he had contacted him and was being really annoying and creepy and so he blocked him.

But what was interesting he said, on Grinder, his profile was very open, saying that he was married with a child. So he was very open about his situation. But this person also said not only was he on Grinder, but he went to that nightclub, as we've heard from others, Pulse, several times, and he had seen him there. And so there's a lot here that just isn't adding up and sort of adding to the perplexity of this hate crime and terrorism as we heard the FBI say today.

BALDWIN: Reading one of the reports saying he was curious about the lifestyle. I don't even know what to ask. I mean I don't understand.

MARK O'MARA, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Just his sociopathy, just how disconnected he is with any type of human quality. (INAUDIBLE) for anybody, yet you're actually on the phone having killed, what, 20, 30 people at that point, on the phone talking to a friend. It's important that you say good-bye to them. Or talking to some producer saying, I want you to know I'm here. That's complete sociopathy.

BALDWIN: Well, I mean, isn't that notoriety? He wants people to know, hey, here I am, and this is what I'm doing.

O'MARA: Absolutely. Yes.

[14:30:02] BALDWIN: And I'm saying good-bye because I'm - I know I'm going to die.

O'MARA: And that's (ph) significant.

BALDWIN: The wife, the wife, to either of you, she went to Pulse. Again, you're married. You know, you're going into a gay nightclub. Some folks do that for fun to go to dance.