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WORLD RIGHT NOW WITH HALA GORANI
British Prime Minister Cameron Faces Questions On Referendum; Rhetoric Ramps Up Ahead Of Brexit Vote; Trump Revokes "Washington Post" Press Credentials; Democrats Demand Action On Gun Control; Investigators Focus On Orlando Shooter's Wife; French Police On Alert For More Violence; : Officials: Alligator Attack On Boy "Not Survivable"; Democrats Demand Action On Gun Control; Remembering The Victims Of Orlando Massacre. Aired 3-4p ET
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[15:00:26] HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Hala Gorani live from the CNN headquarters in London. Thanks for being
with us this hour. This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
Well, we begin tonight with possibly the most surreal moment of the Brexit debate so far. Rival sides faced off in a bizarre standoff outside the
Houses of Parliament right on the River Thames, while inside the British Prime Minister, David Cameron, faced some tough questions from politicians.
Nic Robertson has our story.
DAVID CAMERON, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: The question is how are we going to do best? How are we going to create the most jobs?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR (voice-over): David Cameron taking heat.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does he have any message for them at all?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What I said to the old gentleman --
ROBERTSON: As time is running out to reverse an apparent surge towards Brexit, a vote to leave the E.U.
CAMERON: We will have a smaller economy, less employment, low wages, and therefore less tax receipts. And that's why we would have to have measures
to address a huge hole in our public finances.
ROBERTSON: A $42 billion black hole, but its finance minister says it can only be fixed by an emergency budget that would hit public services.
GEORGE OSBORNE, BRITISH CHANCELOR: You can do it by raising taxes. You can do it by cutting spending. Almost certainly, you'd have to do both.
ROBERTSON (on camera): But, this emergency budget is already backfiring, 57 of Cameron's MPs say they won't support it, and neither will the main
opposition party, Labour. It risks being labeled a scare tactic like so many of the economic arguments Cameron has already made.
(voice-over): Into those choppy political waters, Britain's fishermen at loggerheads with the E.U. sailed up the Thames into London, a flotilla come
to campaign, ramp up the "leave" vote.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nigel, you're a fraud.
ROBERTSON: Moments of drama, an indication of the high stakes when "remain" campaigners photo bombed the carefully staged manage "leave"
event. Organizer leading Brexiter, Nigel Farage, incensed by the intrusion.
NIGEL FARAGE, UKIP LEADER: Disgusting. Rich people laughing at poor people. They're multi-millionaires. Happy to see this industry go to the
CAMERON: I think my honorable friend is right back.
ROBERTSON: At PMQs some life lines for Cameron.
ANGUS ROBERTSON, SCOTTISH NATIONAL PARTY: If we want to protect jobs, if we want to protect our public services, we must vote to remain in the
ROBERTSON: Remain MPs from around the country with easy questions.
CAMERON: For an economy like Scotland's that's such a big exporting economy, there is no way we'd get a better deal with that single market on
the outside than we get on the inside.
ROBERTSON: The question is, is anyone listening anymore? Eight days we'll know the answer. Nic Robertson, CNN, London.
GORANI: Dueling flotillas on the Thames. As the debate grows ahead of the crucial vote, Richard Quest is on the road. He's measuring public opinion
outside of these large urban bubbles like London. He joins me now from Mabel Thorpe on the east coast of England.
What are people telling you there because so many polls have come out just over the last few days indicating that the "leave" camp is ahead now?
RICHARD QUEST, CNN MONEY EDITOR-AT-LARGE: Hala, good evening from Mabel Thorpe. The sea is just about couple of hundred yards away. It is
actually a rarely glorious evening here. We have good old Freddie Brexit, the van that's travelling across the country.
I have no hesitation in saying in this part of England the majority of the people I've spoken to basically are of the "leave" persuasion. I was in
the market town. Those of an older generation, Hala, leave. Go. We want nothing of it.
And it is not based on economics. It's partly based on immigration, 13 percent of the population here is E.U.-non-British, mainly from the Baltic
States in Eastern Europe.
[15:05:08]But, Hala, what they really say is, we want our sovereignty back. We don't -- we have handed over control. It doesn't matter however if
we're talking about Brussels or Berlin or the European parliament. The view here firmly, Hala, firmly is Brexit.
GORANI: Right. But what about the undecideds? We're a week away and they are the ones who are going to make a difference because there are a few
points. Polls have been unreliable, but let's assume that the five last polls are, generally speaking, a good indication of where the country is
going opinion wise. What about those people on the fence? How are they going to make their decision?
QUEST: And that's the fascinating part, because until now, if you'd said, in other parts of the country that you were in favor of Brexit, you were
thought of as a little Englander, a Nigel Farage supporter, the sort of person who might be unsophisticated, bordering on ignorant.
But what has happened, Hala, is that more and more people are starting to say they are Brexiters, that's given a legitimacy and an acceptability. We
are at a tipping point, Hala, where either side could suddenly sweep the board one way or the other towards a majority.
It won't be overall, but this is the most delicate, the most interesting, and the most dangerous part of this referendum so far.
GORANI: Right. Really, it is going to be a nail biter, it is going to be an extremely suspenseful process and continue to cover it. Right, we'll
see you at the top of the hour. "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" comes to us from a caravan park in the U.K.?
QUEST: You can see the caravans behind me and you can see our fine, magnificent trusty Freddie Brexit #drivewithquest. Forgive the commercial,
Hala, but #drivewithquest.
GORANI: All right, see you at the top of the hour, Richard Quest, thanks very much.
Speaking of polar opposites, it is also the best way to describe Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton's reactions to the Orlando shootings and how to
prevent similar massacres in the future. The presidential candidates held dueling events today and they outlined very different visions for dealing
with threats to the country. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We don't want to have these problems. So what I'm saying is, it's a temporary ban, in particular for
certain people coming from certain horrible -- where you have tremendous terrorism in the world. You know what those places are. But we have to
put a stop to it. We have to put a stop to it until such time as we can figure out what is going on.
Even if it you had a small percentage of people coming in, thinking like this person, who again was born here but his parents weren't and his ideas
weren't born here. His ideas were born from someplace else.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: As has been pointed out, the terrorist in Orlando was not born in Afghanistan, as Trump claims. He was
born in Queens, New York, only miles away from where Donald Trump himself was born. A ban on Muslims would not have stopped this attack neither
would a wall. I don't know how one builds a wall to keep the internet out.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: There you have it, the only thing Trump and Clinton seem to agree on today is that weapons should be kept out of the hands of people on
terrorist watch lists.
Let's get more from Josh Rogin. He is a CNN political analyst and a columnist for "The Washington Post." First of all, "The Washington Post"
can't cover the campaign of Donald Trump. He's withdrawn the paper's credentials. What's been the reaction at the newspaper?
JOSH ROGIN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: I think a mix of amazement and really determination to continue the coverage of the Donald Trump campaign in
every single way except for actually attending the rallies.
As it turns out, attending the rallies is really the least probative way of covering Donald Trump. They air it on TV anyway. I think what this has
resulted in is a renewed effort by "The Post" to devote its considerable resources to examining Trump and his campaign as diligently as they have
been throughout the whole cycle.
GORANI: Right. He's promising if elected president it wouldn't apply to covering the president which is a relief, I guess, the actual Washington,
D.C. national newspaper should be able to cover the White House. Let's talk a little -- yes, go ahead.
ROGIN: Yes, I mean, listen, if and when Donald Trump becomes president he will not just be making decisions for himself, he'll be in charge of the
federal government which has a fiduciary responsibility to grant freedom of the press.
[15:10:10]GORANI: All right, let's talk about these two very different approaches to dealing with terrorist violence in the United States. So
Donald Trump doubled down, ban on Muslims coming in, and then added surveillance of mosques.
I spoke to Jeffrey Lord, one of his most vocal supporters yesterday. He even said there is a precedent to this. After Pearl Harbor that Roosevelt
essentially implemented and enacted rules that restricted of movement of Japanese people in the United States.
We all remember that dark period of internment camps for Japanese as well inside the U.S. This is all coming from the Trump camp. Is it going to
play well in a general election?
ROGIN: Well, early indications are that it will not. Donald Trump not only expanded his proposal to ban Muslims from visiting the United States,
he said that we should curb immigration from an unspecified number of countries where terrorism exists.
He also said that we should pressure Muslim communities in America, who he alleged were somehow complicit in action of Muslim-Americans. This is
references to sort of historical mistakes by the United States such as the internment of Japanese-Americans.
It is widely viewed, as you rightly mentioned, a dark period in American history. It is exactly what President Obama condemned in his own remarks
reacting to Trump's speech yesterday.
What's really interesting is that I've spent a lot of time today and yesterday collecting reaction from congressional Republicans who are
shocked and displeased with the way that Trump has reacted to this.
I mean, he had just come off a number of weeks where he had convinced a number of senior Republicans, including House Speaker Paul Ryan, to
reluctantly endorse his campaign and now they're having buyer's remorse and they see this as an indication that Donald Trump has not decided to take a
turn towards being --
GORANI: But did they have a choice? Did they have a choice?
ROGIN: Well, I mean -- right. They're locked in, in a way, in the sense that now they are committed to vote for him. But there are a lot of things
they can choose to do or not do besides voting for him, right.
It is a question of what kind of money are Republicans going to put towards the Trump campaign. How vigorously are they going to encourage their
people to support him? Whether or not Republicans down the line, Senate and House Republicans are going to run with him or against him, right?
You know, while it might seem important to run with the presidential candidate, Paul Ryan has told his members, do what you have to do. If
running against Donald Trump is the way to save your seat, you are free to do it.
GORANI: Let's discuss the latest poll numbers. This is coming after that bad week for Donald Trump where his criticism of a judge of Mexican
heritage born in the United States seems to have cost him because his unfavorability rating shot up to 70 percent in a Washington/ABC News post
conducted 8 to 12th of May.
Hillary Clinton, 55 percent unfavorable, but this was before the Orlando shootings. But still, though, the numbers not looking good for him in that
ROGIN: Sure. You can add to that the Bloomberg poll which just came out today which shows that he's now trailing Hillary Clinton by 12 points in a
general election head-to-head match-up. Actually that's not head-to-head.
That includes 9 percent for Gary Johnson, the Libertarian. So the trend is clear. His numbers are going down. Some people attribute that to the fact
he's been giving most of his speeches off the teleprompters, which doesn't have the same kind of bizarre that's made Trump famous.
Other people attribute it to the fact that he keeps on saying things that keep alienating huge groups of people. If you break down the polls, his
unfavorability numbers with Hispanics, with women have all gone up as well.
So, you know, there was a lot of time between now and the vote but trends are important and right now it looks like whatever Trump's doing is not
GORANI: Josh Rogin, thanks very much in Washington, as always.
Action in the U.S. Senate has ground to a halt. A Democratic senator is filibustering calling for arcs on gun control. This is Chris Murphy. He
plans to talk on the Senate floor for as long as possible and push for amendments to laws including expanded background checks. He's not alone.
Many other Democrats are expressing support and pressing the Republicans to do more. Listen to these extraordinary moments as Democrats shouted at
Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The unfinished business is on the vote on the motion of the gentleman from Illinois. Mr. Lahood. Suspend the rules and pass HR-
5312 un-amended on which -- the clerk will report the title of the bill.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible).
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Well, some congressional elected officials very, very unhappy with the fact that legislatively some in the Senate and in the House are not
willing to act on expanding background checks or making it harder to buy assault weapons. We'll have more on that later in the program.
[15:15:09]And still to come tonight, U.S. authorities are trying to find out what she knew and why she didn't come forward. We'll see why the
Orlando shooter's wife is now a big focus of the investigation into the nightclub massacre. We'll be right back.
Also, tensions are high in the French city of Lille as England as Russia football fans gather for Euro 2016 matches. We'll be live there in a few
minutes with the very latest.
GORANI: U.S. authorities are asking for the public's help in gathering information about the mass shooter in Orlando. They are trying to piece
together information about his past to help determine a motive.
Now he targeted gays and lesbians in the name of ISIS massacring 49 innocent people. But investigators believe he may have led a secret life
all along. Conflicted about his own sexuality.
At a news conference a short time ago, authorities wouldn't say if there are any other suspects or people of interest, but they did say this --
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
LEE BENTLEY, U.S. ATTORNEY: We are investigating not only this crime, but law enforcement is talking to everyone associated with the shooter and that
includes his family, his friends, people in businesses that includes anyone who fell within the circle of what the shooter was doing in the months
leading up to the crime.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Authorities wouldn't comment on reports that they are considering filing charges in the case, but CNN has learned that the shooter's wife is
under intense scrutiny right now. Jim Sciutto is in Orlando.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you know your husband was going to do this?
JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Authorities are zeroing in on the killer's wife, 30-year-old Noor Salmon
(ph). A law enforcement official says she admits she knew about her husband's interest in carrying out a jihadist attack.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She has been very cooperative with the authorities.
SCIUTTO: Salmon claiming she tried to dissuade him from doing anything violent according to the FBI. She denies knowing anything about the Pulse
Nightclub as a target for the massacre.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think that your daughter-in-law helped your son commit this crime?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't think so.
SCIUTTO: Authorities are now looking into whether she should face charges for knowing about his intentions but not telling police. This as we are
getting our first look inside the couple's apartment.
Clothes and children's toys scattered on the floor. Investigators seizing electronic devices from the home as new evidence is emerging that suggests
that the gunman may have considered other targets.
SHERIFF JERRY DENNINGS, ORANGE COUNTY, FLORIDA: Suffice it to say that he had probed multiple locations before he chose that spot.
[15:20:01]SCIUTTO: CNN has learned he visited this Disney shopping complex, as well as the Pulse Nightclub all at the beginning of June.
Investigators say his wife traveled with him. The dates coinciding with Gay Days, an annual event that attracts thousands of LGBT people to Disney
Disney security officials told the FBI they believed the shooter was scouting the Disneyworld Park when he visited there with his wife in April
DENNINGS: We are trying to understand all of his travels in the recent past.
SCIUTTO: The June scouting missions occurring around the same time as when the killer purchased the weapons he used to carry out the attack. This as
we are now hearing from first responders at the nightclub.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I won't forget the -- pow, pow, pow.
SCIUTTO: The lieutenant at the fire station just 300 feet away from the club describing the hundreds of club goers frantically trying to escape the
barrage of bullets.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There were groups of people in front of the fire station hiding behind the wall over there crying and screaming. It's kind
of sick to think about it. Each time he's shooting, he's shooting somebody in there. What's more, going about his business as methodically as he was
at a gun range.
GORANI: There you have it, Jim Sciutto, reporting on that.
We have an update on the story we've been covering. Iran has now formally charged a dual British-American citizen accusing her of involvement in a
propaganda campaign against the government.
Her name is Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe. She was arrested in April when she was leaving Tehran to return to the U.K. She's pictured there on the right
with her husband and child.
Officials say she's affiliated with a media organization that's involved in anti-Iranian government acts. She's imprisoned in Southeast Iran. The
U.K. government says they are working to find out more information. That's an update for you.
Also this -- tensions are high in the French city of Lille this evening. Police are on alert for football hooligans as Russian and English football
fans are congregating there.
Now here is some video that came into us earlier. There were some brief clashes. Police used teargas once again. Scenes sort of reminiscent of
what we saw in Marseilles last Friday.
Now earlier Moscow summoned the French ambassador (inaudible) French has cracked down on Russian bans, but the Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov
blaming violence on English supporters.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SERGEY LAVROV, RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTER (through translator): But at the same time, we cannot close our eyes to the fact that they are trying to
ignore the absolutely provocative actions by supporters from other countries.
You have probably seen the outrageous images on TV when the Russian flag is getting stamped on and when insults are being screamed about the Russian
leadership and about being Russian sports people.
It is clear that overreacting with fist-fighting is not allowed in any situation. But to ignore these provocateurs who are trying to
surreptitiously create a crisis situation is also unacceptable.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: All right, there were provocateurs on both sides. That much is clear. Let's go live to Lille and speak to Fred Pleitgen. So for a brief
moment there we saw what started to look a little bit like Marseilles last week but thankfully it all died down.
FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Hala, it certainly died down very quickly. We were actually right in the middle of
what happened there. I would say the actual tensions and the use of teargas lasted for maybe five, maybe 10 minutes, but it really wasn't
anything more than that.
One of the reasons for that is that the police is actually really much out in force here in Lille tonight. I want to pan over to my left there. You
could see that there is some riot cop right in front of us --
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[15:30:01] GORANI: -- near a Disney resort hotel outside Orlando, Florida. The child had waded into shallow water when an alligator snatched him and
pulled him under. His father tried to pry open the gator's mouth to save the boy. Here's what police are saying about the search.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JERRY DEMINGS, SHERIFF, ORANGE COUNTY, FLORIDA: It has been now about 15 hours since the child was taken into the water by the alligator, so we know
that we are working on recovering the body of the child at this point. And so on behalf of everyone that is engaged in this effort, our ultimate goal
is to try to bring some closure to the family by recovering their loved one.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Well, let's get more on the recovery effort which, sadly now, has turned into, we know, a lost cause. There's lost hope here. Boris Sanchez
joins me live from Orlando with more. So this was a popular resort owned by Disney, right next to Walt Disneyworld. How does this happen?
BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It is a freakish, freakish incident is the way that sheriff's deputies are describing it, Hala. Essentially this
is a resort that is on the Walt Disneyworld campus, so to speak, on the large property that they have here in Central Florida.
And it was just a family sitting on a small man-made beach on this large lagoon. They were enjoying their night. It was about 9:00 in the evening.
When as you said, the boy was in water no higher than his knees when that alligator snatched him.
The father sprang into action to try to pull the boy away. The mother also reacted quickly, but their efforts were not enough. The authorities were
called in. There were boats dispatched as well as diving teams.
They use sonar to try to detect the 2-year-old. They had an alligator trappers as well as helicopter in the air. It was a full effort to try to
find this child. But again it was night time. It was 9:00 p.m. last night. There was some hope that with daylight they might have more
success, but that does not appear to be the case.
Sadly, the way that the sheriff's deputies are approaching this, they are now trying to bring closure to the families. It turned from a search and
rescue effort into a search and recovery effort. They say that Disney is doing all that it can now to offer comfort to the family.
But you can imagine in a situation like this, what do you say to a parent that loses their child in this way? There is not much you can say. There
have been a lot of questions asked of Disney during that last press briefing that you played a clip from asking if Disney could have done more
perhaps to have prevented this.
The sheriff side quite frankly, that company's been in Central Florida for more than 45 years and nothing like this has ever happened before. Of
course, Central Florida, most of Florida is essentially built on a swamp.
So it is not hard to imagine that alligators are very common in fresh water all across the state. What is extremely rare -- again, the world that a
sheriff's deputy used was freakish -- is for an alligator of that size to attack the way that it did -- Hala.
GORANI: Yes, absolutely. Boris Sanchez, thanks very much in Orlando with that story.
Let's get back too one of our top stories now, the political fallout from the Orlando club massacre. At this hour, Democrats are holding up all
business in the U.S. Senate for what's known as a filibuster.
That means a member is speaking, refusing to yield the floor. Democrats are demanding action on gun control including denying the right to buy guns
to those on terror watch lists and expanded background checks as well
Let's go to Washington where my next guest is standing by. Ohio Congressman Tim Ryan joins me live. He is a Democrat and he's supporting
the call for action on guns. A short time ago, he tweeted the message simply saying, "no more silence, we are with you on this."
Congressman, thanks for being with us. First of all, Senator Murphy from Connecticut is the one holding the floor, demanding action.
[15:35:01]We're putting up your tweet. No more silence. We are with you on this @ChrisMurphyCT #EndGunViolence. What do you hope will be achieved
today on Capitol Hill?
TIM RYAN, U.S. HOUSE DEMOCRAT: Well, we're hoping -- let me first congratulate Chris for what he's doing over there. He is a great guy and
as you know, he represents Connecticut where Sandy Hook happened and has been a fierce, fierce advocate for stronger safety for people who can
What we want out of this is a basic piece of legislation that says no fly, no buy. If you're somehow on a terrorist watch list or on the no-fly list
that you can't go and purchase a gun. Pretty straightforward.
Something that both very pro-second amendment people and people who are a little more towards regulating the firearms industry should be able to
It's basically trying to deal with what happened in Orlando to say, look, if the FBI's looking at you because of terrorism, if you have made these
crazy statements regarding terrorism, and then you go to buy a gun.
That there should be a higher standard before you could ever get a gun or if you do get a gun, the FBI should come and knock on your door and pay a
very friendly visit to say what's going on.
GORANI: But the NRA has issued a statement, essentially more or less agreeing with that position saying we're not saying terrorists should have
guns. We're just saying if you're on a no-fly list or terror watch list, there should be a thorough investigation conducted.
And then if you're found not to represent a threat, then you should be able to get that gun because it is your second amendment right. What do you
make of the NRA coming out today saying that?
RYAN: Well, it is welcome, but I don't want a bunch of loopholes and a bunch of shenanigans here. We want something that is very clear, very
straightforward. We're not trying to get any law abiding citizen away from their second amendment right to have a firearm.
What we are trying to do is say, if you are on the no-fly list, then there is reason enough there to prevent you from getting a gun. There shouldn't
be any additional investigation that needs to happen.
If you're on the no-fly list or you're on the watch list, you shouldn't be able to get a gun. Because the next thing is, how are we going to have
enough money invested into the FBI to be able to do all this research and to do the investigations and these folks will oppose that.
And Republicans over the course of time have opposed any new money to go for these kinds of things. So we don't want a bunch of loopholes. We
don't want a bunch of nonsense. We want something very clear and straightforward. If you can't get on an airplane, you can't buy a gun.
GORANI: Do you believe that weapons like the AR-15 that caused so much damage, that they should become illegal again? That weapon was illegal for
many years. The ban on those types of weapons, assault weapons, lapsed. It wasn't renewed. Do you think that these weapons should be legal?
RYAN: Well, I think it's very difficult because very slight cosmetic changes to these weapons change the definition of what they are, the name
of the gun, and therefore there's a loophole to the assault weapons ban.
I think the focus that is a realistic approach for us here in Congress is to say, someone who is involved in terrorism, someone who is a criminal,
someone who has mental health issues should not be able to get a gun, any gun. Not an assault weapon, or a handgun. Nothing.
And if we stay focused on that right now and if we can get some momentum coming out of the Senate filibuster, that's something that every American
should be able to agree upon.
GORANI: All right. Thank you very much, Congressman Ryan, for joining us, representing Ohio's 13th District, talking to us from Washington, D.C. We
really appreciate it.
RYAN: Thank you so much.
GORANI: It's already being called the battle of the Thames. The rival flotillas that faced off in Central London today. The UKIP leader, Nigel
Farage, who backs a Brexit sailed up the river with dozens fishing boats only to trade insults with "remain" supporter, rock star and activist, Bob
It's quite a drama. The anger from Farage's fishermen is very real. They want to chart a new course outside the European Union. Nina Dos Santos has
NINA DOS SANTOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): For more than two centuries, fishing boats have navigated the waters around the harbor from
their daily catch. But the landings have been getting steadily lighter, as fishermen say they are struggling with the weight of theocracy from
Brussels. Across the port, on sea and dry land, sailors are flying the flag for a so-called Brexit.
ANDY RICHES, FISHERMAN: Probably 99 percent of the fishermen in this area will be voting to leave, and that is purely because they are fed up with
the quota restrictions, their archaic rules. We just can't survive.
[15:40:05]DOS SANTOS: Even the Spanish fishermen here understand the local's wish to cast off the E.U.
JORDI MONCHO, DIRECTOR, CARDIAN SHELLFISH: I think that what irritates them is that the fact that Europe is managing the fishery here.
DOS SANTOS: Despite being an island nation with 20,000 miles' worth of coastline, the U.K. is a net importer of fish taking in over $1.5 billion
worth of it every year. In fact, 70 percent of the seafood consumed across Britain isn't caught in these waters at all. It comes from abroad.
One of the reasons? Being part of the E.U. gives members access to each other's waters. So, to prevent others fishing, the bloc uses the system of
quotas, which limits what can be brought ashore.
RICHES: What I caught today, that's half of my quota for the month, which was not quite half a box. But I'm sure I will catch that other half a box.
So for the rest of this month, I will have to flow that fish back.
DOS SANTOS: As the tangle of red tape builds up, Andy and others are considering giving up on their trade.
RICHES: Over the 30 years we've been in, as far as I've seen, it sadly decimated the industry that I knew.
DOS SANTOS (on camera): The data confirms that trend. Over the last 20 years, the number of fishermen across the country has fallen by 41 percent
from 20,000 back in 1995 to just 12,000. When it comes to the fleet of U.K. fishing vessels, they're down to just 6,300 today.
(voice-over): Which is why, rather than many left picking over the pieces, the fishermen think they can chart their own course towards less troubled
waters. Nina Dos Santos, CNN Money, England.
GORANI: You can always go to CNN.com/uk referendum. That's full coverage that you'll find there with the decision facing British voters, and all the
big themes and the hot topics of discussion on both sides.
This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Still ahead, a mother's love overpowers a killer's hate.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST, "AC360": Where does your strength come from? You're smiling, you're able to talk about your son. I think there is a lot
of people --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because I love him.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: CNN speaks with a mother who lost her son and his soulmate in the Orlando massacre. Her heart is broken, but she explains that her spirit is
not. We'll be right back.
GORANI: We've been hearing horror stories about what happened inside the Orlando nightclub where that gunman opened fire, but we don't want to let
the massacre overshadow all the lives that were lost and what those 49 men and women meant to their family and friends.
Juan Ramon Guerrero was killed along with his boyfriend, Christopher Leinonen, who is known as Drew.
[15:45:10]They dreamed of getting married and instead their families are planning a joint funeral. CNN's Anderson Cooper spoke with Christopher's
mom to learn more about him.
CHRISTINE LEINONEN, SON KILLED IN ORLANDO SHOOTING: When he was in high school, he started a gay/straight alliance and he won the Anna Frank
Humanitarian Award for that and they had a big ceremony and I was very proud of him for that.
COOPER: And he and Ron were talking about marriage?
LEINONEN: Well, they were madly in love in a way that I've never seen him over the past 15 years. He had boyfriends of a duration of one year, six
years I think, one of his former boyfriends is actually being my right-hand man right now for me while I'm waiting for my family from up north.
But yes, and he loved -- of course, he loved every man that he then had a relationship with, of course. But he loved Ron in a -- that special kind
of way and look.
COOPER: You could tell.
LEINONEN: Yes. Definitely.
COOPER: Where does your strength come from? You're smiling. You're able to talk about your son. I think there is a lot of people --
LEINONEN: Because I love him. I could be sad and I have incredibly sad moments. And I could be angry and I've been given license to be angry for
different types of treatments, both when you want to know about the love and the love is going to usurp the hate. That's a given.
I feel that love with Christopher with his friends, with you. With the Orlando community. Christopher was Orlando's child. Even though I gave
birth to him, Orlando is now the adoptive mother because she made Christopher feel the love and acceptance.
He went to UCF here in Orlando. That's where he went away to school. I was saying are you sure you don't want to stay in Pinellas County? No, I
want to go away to Orlando to UCF. So he came here to Orlando.
He went to undergrad here. He went to UCF grad school. He stayed here after grad school. He loved Orlando. He loved Orlando.
COOPER: He was incredibly lucky to have you as a mom.
LEINONEN: I was -- my luck started when I gave birth to my son.
COOPER: Christine, thank you so much for talking to us.
LEINONEN: Thank you.
GORANI: That moved a lot of people yesterday. We saw it on social media quite a bit.
The tragedy in Orlando has motivated Donald Trump to re-clarify his position on whether or not people on terror watch lists should be able to
access guns. He in fact tweeted to the NRA in order to meet with them the gun lobby.
He'll be meeting with the organization to discuss, quote, "not allowing people on the terrorist watch list to buy guns." The NRA, for its part,
released this statement.
"The NRA believes that terrorists should not be allowed to possess or purchase firearms, period. Anyone on a terror watch list who tries to buy
a gun should thoroughly investigated by the FBI and the sale delayed while the investigation is ongoing."
So the NRA continues to say that it should not be an automatic ban, that there should be an investigation.
Meanwhile, the Trump campaign is now refusing to give press credentials to reporters from the "Washington Post." This is unprecedented.
Brian Stelter spoke exclusively with Donald Trump about this and he joins us live from CNN New York. What did he say about banning one of the most
important daily newspapers in the U.S. from covering him?
BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: He says he just wants to be treated fairly, but I think his definition of fairly is probably different
from any journalists' definitions of the word. We know that for a year now Donald Trump has been attacking the press. Here are just a few examples of
what he said over the many months.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The world's most dishonest people are back there. Look at all the cameras going.
These people, the dishonest media.
He was dishonest.
Most of us, 70 percent, 75 percent is absolute dishonest, absolute scum. Remember that. Scum. Scum. They're totally dishonest people.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
[15:50:03]STELTER: His campaign launched a year ago tomorrow. He has really refined attacking the media, perfected it as an art form. Something
we've seen for many other politicians in the U.S. before, but not as personally as Trump does.
His new issue of rejecting reporters' press credentials for "The Washington Post." But he has in the past denied credentials to a number of other
outlets. "The Washington Post" is the most prominent one yet.
So I asked him, if you are elected, will you keep reporters out of the White House press briefing room? Trump's response was, no, that's very
different. When I'm president that will not happen.
Right now, though, he is holding private events. He is renting out these big spaces for rallies so he can do as he pleases. I do think some
journalism advocates worry this has a chilling effect that by banning "The Washington Post" and other outlets, even temporarily, it sends a message to
the other media be careful when they cover Trump.
GORANI: I know and I just wonder what the reaction is among those journalists who cover the Trump campaign day to day, I mean, is there talk
perhaps of banding together and saying, fine, none of us will cover you in that case and you won't get any coverage at all or are they saying, look,
he's the presumptive Republican nominee. We still need to cover this man's campaign. What's the reaction --
STELTER: There's been a few of those scattered suggestions that, yes, everyone should band together and refuse to cover him, but it is
impractical and unrealistic. Trump knows he needs the media.
He went out of the way repeatedly with me on phone to praise journalists, saying, he respects the profession even though at his rallies he uses it as
an attack line to get cheers from his audience.
There is a sort of contradiction here between his comments and his behavior. When he was on the phone with me I kept waiting for are him to
wrap up, but he was happy to talk for a long time.
So he knows who you to use the press in a very specific way and continues to do that. I think he knows the news outlets are not going to band
together. Trump had a rally three hours ago in Atlanta and there were three reserve seats.
Some journalists put out placards for "The Washington Post" reporters who were not allowed to be there. Others go to his events as members of the
general public. Frankly, sometimes that's a better way to attend.
As much as the story is what's on stage, the story is what the audience says and thinks and how the audience reacts. It is important to hear from
Trump supporters and why they are there in the first place. In some ways it is very valuable for the Washington to be on the outside now.
GORANI: Another remarkable development in this unpredictable race. Thanks very much, Brian. We'll catch "RELIABLE SOURCES" on CNN this weekend.
Don't forget you can get all the latest news, interviews and analysis from the show on my Facebook page, go to facebook.com/halagoranicnn. We'll be
right back. Stay with us.
GORANI: "CNN style" has gained exclusive access to some of the world's most iconic buildings. Tonight, they take us to the Marina Bay Sands
Resort in Singapore.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I've already known Singapore. I've built here. But Marina Bay was a new game. Kind of re-inventing a building type. That
none of us ever knew that it would work out the way it did.
[15:55:11]None of us even dreamt that it would become like instantly a world's -- particularly Asian icon. Sky Park has been called a ship. It's
been called the skateboard, sort of floating up there. Sort of magical. Defies gravity.
Early in the morning, you're in the water and you are just seeing the tower tops and they are all lit and they're all reflecting. And it is mysterious
and then as you start to swim, slowly the sky gets lighter.
And since the sun rises east on the other side, the clouds above that town start to be pink. It is just totally transforming all the time. You're in
nature here. I mean you look one way and you see Indonesia.
You look the other way, you see Malaysia. This whole complex was designed and built in four years. Unprecedented, 10 million square feet in four
years. Now that I've come back, of course, I'm coming back as an observer and, you know, take in some life.
What pleases me as an architect, you always learn from what you do and you go on. That's why I think architecture is a part invention, and in part
evolution. And anybody who forgets that can't make great architecture.
If you forget evolution, you forget that architecture builds upon and builds upon the lessons that happened before. You can be impressed by a
building. You can be in awe by a building.
But when people say to me, this is a happy place, I think that's when you have the greatest reward as an architect.
GORANI: A sad update to a story we brought you earlier. Officials in Florida have recovered the body of a little 2-year-old boy who had been
dragged in a lake at the Walt Disneyworld resort by an alligator, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation.
There's going to be a news conference in a few minutes and we'll bring you that live. This happened in Orlando.
Thanks for watching THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. I'm Hala Gorani. "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" is coming up next.