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Aired June 18, 2016 - 19:00   ET

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[19:00:12] JIM SCIUTTO, CNN ANCHOR: It is 7:00 Eastern Time. I'm Jim Sciutto, in for Poppy Harlow.

And we begin tonight in Phoenix, Arizona, Donald Trump holding another campaign rally. These are live pictures. Trump is expected to take that stage, that podium there at any moment. And though he has yet to utter a single word, there are roots of anger there, protesters began gathering near the venue, cameras capturing these intense changes. Police have been out in force as well.

CNN's Jeremy Diamond is inside the sight. But, first, Ana Cabrera, she is just outside the venue.

We saw some protests earlier, some clashes, certainly some harsh words being exchanged. What's the situation there now, Ana?

ANA CABRERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the protests continue here, Jim, as this event is really getting under way. You can see behind me about two, three dozen protesters who have gathered here, largely peaceful, holding signs. They got their megaphones out. They've been trying to shout down Trump supporters as they walk across this busy street and kind of around the corner here to file into the arena, which is really just behind me, over the fence.

And if my photographer Jordan can follow me, I will give you the lay of the land here. You can see that memorial coliseum over here is where this event is taking place. We understand there are several thousand people who have made it inside and are anticipating Trump's words. But you can see, there is a large, large police presence here on the outside of the perimeter, to make sure that nothing turns physically violent.

You may recall back in March when Donald Trump came here before the Republican primary, there were clashes between protesters and Trump supporters. The protesters, in fact, blocked an entire roadway leading towards the Trump rally and there were people arrested.

So far today, Jim, things have been peaceful, but protesters have definitely made their message loud and clear and that is a rebuke of what they're hearing from Donald Trump when it comes to his strong and very controversial rhetoric regarding immigration, regarding Muslims, regarding women and other minority groups here -- Jim.

SCIUTTO: No question, Ana, on the outside.

Inside, we have Jeremy Diamond. We know, of course, you have this protest outside Donald Trump supporters, but he also has discord inside his own Republican Party. How is that playing out today?

JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN POLITICS REPORTER: That's right, Jim. Donald Trump in the last several weeks has faced a lot of criticism from Republican leaders and the rank and file within the Republican Party over a lot of the divisive comments that he's made.

And in the last few days, Donald Trump has suggested that, you know what, if the Republican Party doesn't want to go along with him, if he can't get the kind of support that he needs, he'll be willing to go it alone. He said earlier today that if he can't get the fund raising he needs from the Republican establishment, he'll still fund his campaign.

Now, of course, there are questions as to whether he would be willing to do that. That's what he hinted at today and Sheriff Joe Arpaio, one of his big supporters here in Arizona, the firebrand anti-illegal immigration sheriff, speaking today about that discourse, saying there is a lot-of-hatred and jealousy. Those are the words he described in the Republican Party, particularly the lack of either full fledged support from Republicans or, in effect, the lack of support at all from certain Republicans, including in the state. Senator Jeff Flake, for example, has been critical along with Mr. Trump and other senators in the Republican Party -- Jim.

SCIUTTO: Jeremy Diamond, Ana Cabrera, thanks very much.

Trump has already taken the stage once today at a rally earlier in Las Vegas. He offered up a pretty interesting theory for why Bernie Sanders has yet to drop out of the Democratic race.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Well, he's waiting for really the FBI to do what everybody thinks they're going to do. I mean, I think that's it.

(CHEERS)

I think he started saying, look, oh, let's hang in there, because ultimately it's called the FBI convention and then we'll be the only people and we will have done something like Trump did. I want to be like Trump. I want to be like Trump.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCIUTTO: Joining me now, Boris Epshteyn, he's a Republican strategist, a Trump surrogate, and Jennifer Granholm, she's adviser to the pro-Clinton super PAC, Correct the Record. She's also former governor of Michigan. Jennifer, if I could begin with you. You have in effect, Donald Trump

making an appeal, in part to Sanders' supporters there. Is that an appeal you expect so many of them to listen to?

JENNIFER GRANHOLM, FORMER GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN: Are you kidding me? Absolutely not. There is no -- I mean, there is a slight certainly that followed Donald Trump. But the vast majority of Bernie Sanders supporters are repelled and repulsed by Donald Trump, like the vast majority of Americans are.

[19:05:00] They are no different than those 70 percent of Americans who have disfavorable view of him and the 55 percent who said they absolutely will not ever vote for him.

What you just heard Donald Trump say is a bit of, bit more of Donald Trump fantasy.

SCIUTTO: Boris, I want to give you a chance to respond. Also ask you, how do you explain the 70 percent disapproval rate rating or unfavorable rating for your candidate?

BORIS EPSHTEYN, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: Well, first of all, of course, Jennifer Granholm is going to say that Sanders supporters will not go to Donald Trump. Our polling shows one in four Bernie Sanders supporters will not go for Hillary Clinton and are opened to crossing party lines to back Donald Trump. One in four, that's 25 percent. That's a huge number.

And why? Because Hillary Clinton is an unbelievably flawed candidate, a terrible candidate, who has failed in everything in her career, from her career as an attorney, to being a senator, to being a terrible secretary of state.

Bernie Sanders supporters are open to going to Donald Trump. There is a reason Bernie Sanders is not dropping out of the race, because he also believes Hillary Clinton is a terrible candidate. That's why he's pointed out her shortcomings as secretary of state, her paid off by Wall Street and has now pointed to the e-mail scandal which has over 100 agents investigating Hillary Clinton and her misdoings as secretary of state.

(CROSSTALK)

SCIUTTO: I'll give you a chance to respond.

GRANHOLM: I know. Boris, it must be really hard supporting Donald Trump.

EPSHTEYN: No, it's great.

GRANHOLM: -- when you continue to make things up just like your candidate.

(CROSSTALK)

GRANHOLM: Your candidate is the most dishonest candidate of any recent presidential candidate and it's been proven again and again by PolitiFact and the fact checkers.

What you have said there about Bernie Sanders' motivation is another of those lies. Bernie Sanders wants to affect the Democratic platform. That's what he has told his supporters. That's what he had said time and again, he wants to have an impact.

A revolution continues. He's going to take it as far as he wants, but he already had an impact on the Democratic ticket. By the way -- and I've just like so many other Republicans, I'm wondering, Boris, with all due respect, whether at some point you're going to see the light as well, because your candidate is an embarrassment to the nation.

EPSHTEYN: I appreciate that Governor Granholm, while your candidate has lied in every step of her career. The Clintons, themselves, have been embroiled in a scandal everywhere they've gone. The Clinton Foundation has taken over $50 million in Qatar, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia. So if I were you, I'd be worried about your own backyard, and not worried about Donald Trump, whose somebody who's bringing a movement and the negatives you've talked about, those negatives are because he's changing the way politics works.

(CROSSTALK)

SCIUTTO: Jennifer, hold on a moment, as we wait Donald Trump hitting the stage. I want to play something for you, Boris, that Donald Trump said earlier in the day at the rally in Las Vegas. As you know, there is said to be a delegate revolt effort under way within the Republican Party. And Trump threatening to fund his campaign if the party doesn't come together.

Have a listen to what he had to say.

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TRUMP: It's the Republican Party, and I hope they will come together because I want them to come together. It's great. If for any reason they get a little like they don't want to help out as much, I'll fund my own campaign. I'd love to do that. I'd love to do that. You know, right now, I'm raising a lot of money for the Republican Party. A lot of beneficiaries to that and I like doing it.

But we have to have help. We have to have help. You know, life is like a two-way street, right? It's a two-way street. So, they have to -- otherwise, I'll keep what I'm doing, I'll keep funding my own campaign. I'm okay with that. That's the easy way.

We have raised a lot of money for the Republican Party. We will keep doing it because we do have tremendous support within the party. That I can tell you, we have tremendous support.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCIUTTO: So, Boris, I have to ask you, Donald Trump constantly touts his ability to be a great negotiator to make great deals. Yet he has apparently a real difficulty bringing his party together. How do those two rectify each other? EPSHTEYN: He is not having a real difficulty t. Rebellion you are

talking about is 30 people, 30 delegates, if that, out of 2,400. There is no rebellion. The arty is absolutely coming toke.

SCIUTTO: You have several governors, Republican governors, senators him. You have the Republican speaker of the house saying it's a matter of conscience for other Republicans to choose whether to support him. That's very unusual for the presumptive nominee of a party to have that kind of hesitancy to endorse the party's nominee.

EPSHTEYN: Well, that's fine. And, of course, the mass media is going to want to the point of that, instead of pointing to 14 million people who voted for Donald Trump in the primaries. Over 3 million more than for Romney in '12. The people that he's brought, 2 million came out than the GOP primaries than the Democrat primaries.

Donald Trump has brought the enthusiasm to the GOP the likes of which have not been since Ronald Reagan. That's what we should be talking about.

And as far as what Donald Trump said on the financing side, that's pragmatism. That's the exact kind of pragmatism we need in Washington. That political talk which talks out of both sides of their mouth.

(CROSSTALK)

What you will see -- it will be great.

[19:10:02] I want you to be with me. If you choose not to be, I will do it on my own. That's the excitement and that's exact kind of tone we want out of an American president.

SCIUTTO: Jennifer, Boris brought up Secretary Clinton's own issues in terms of favorability ratings, quite low for a major party candidate and also questions about her trustworthiness. And you also have tight questions to just how excited people are to vote for her particularly to Bernie Sanders supporters.

How concerned is the Clinton campaign about Secretary Clinton's own deficits as we get close to the general election?

GRANHOLM: Well, as you have seen, the Democratic enthusiasm as the polls showed this week for Hillary Clinton is much greater than the Republican enthusiasm for Donald Trump. What we have also seen is that this week, Hillary Clinton has been taking out ads in swing states, $17 million worth of ads, which highlight the things people may not know about her, especially in light of the millions spent by Republicans to trash her over decades.

So, she spent -- she knows that she is going to continue to try to get every possible vote and she also knows that the contrast with this particular candidate is so vast that people can see in almost every utterance from Donald Trump, there was a column today in "The Washington Post" by Eugene Robinson, who described his lack of truthfulness at these rallies as a fuselage. I mean, you don't know which to go after, because he has so many falsehoods that he is uttering. Combine that with the fact that he has not, he continues to not release his taxes.

We just learned yesterday that there were two more years of which we haven't seen before in the '90s that demonstrate that he has not paid one dime in taxes, even though the taxpayers are subsidizing the airports that his jets uses, the roads that his limos drive on. He doesn't pay anything. In fact, the taxpayers are subsidizing Donald Trump the billionaire.

Once people see that, believe me this contrast between the two of them that she is fighting to make us safe, he is a danger. In fact, he's been called by the "Economist" magazine as one of the top ten global threats, Donald Trump has. He is dangerous. He is divisive. He is deceptive and he's all about himself. That's the contrast.

SCIUTTO: Boris a chance to respond just to that basic question, why not release his taxes? He's a successful businessman. Why not release his taxes? Why not open him up to the public view?

EPSHTEYN: Those are wonderful talking points by Governor Granholm. If I were Governor Granholm I would not talk about taxes. The Clinton Foundation have (INAUDIBLE) four years of tax returns, because while Hillary Clinton said that once she's secretary of state, the foundation would not take money from foreign governments, guess what? It took over $20 million, the Clinton Foundation did, from foreign governments while she was secretary of state.

SCIUTTO: Boris, to be fair, you're not answering the question. Why not release his -- the Clintons have released their personal taxes. Trust me, I know there are questions about how the Clinton Foundation operates. Just on that one question, why won't Donald Trump release his taxes?

EPSHTEYN: Donald Trump has answered that question. There is an ongoing audit. When it is complete, he will issue, open up those taxes. There is no regulatory requirement or federal requirement for our candidate to release their taxes.

There is a federal requirement for secretary of state to keep her e- mails secure. And Secretary Clinton did not do that. The inspector general of the Department of State has already stated that clearly. So, that's why she is being investigated, again, investigated, by the FBI. A major candidate for a party, not yet the nominee because Bernie Sanders is still in, a major candidate from the Democrats is being investigated by the FBI.

So, let's not forget that. The American people need to focus on the fact that Hillary Clinton is somebody who broke the rules at the Department of State while she was secretary of state. Her family has broken rules throughout their career, over 40 years in politics. She will do so again if elected president. But she will not be because Donald Trump will be elected in November 8.

SCIUTTO: Boris Epshteyn, Jennifer Granholm, thanks very much. Ahead live into the CNN NEWSROOM, we're going to keep a close eye on

Phoenix where any moment now, we expect the presidential nominee Donald Trump to speak. We will bring you that live when it happens.

Plus, final good-byes as family a friends of the victims memorialized. Remember their loved ones. Investigators are piecing together the Orlando killer's final days.

And later, the fight for Fallujah, Iraqi troops are making a stand to retake the city. They're making progress. What could this mean for the broader fight against ISIS? You are live in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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[19:17:28] MADDOW: We have new details today on the investigation into the massacre at a gay nightclub in Florida. That just moments away.

But first, a day of mourning in Orlando. Heartbroken relatives and friends gathering to say their final good-byes. A full five funerals today honored victims of the rampage. Cory James Connell, Joel Rayon Paniagua, Luis Vielma, Stanley Almodavar III, and Antonio Davon Brown. All laid to rest today in separate private ceremonies.

Cory Connell, just 21 died trying to protect his girlfriend who was shot in the wrist inside the nightclub. She told him to run. Instead he turned back to yank her away from an open door way. That's when he was shot and killed.

Connell was a college student studying to become a fire fighter. In tribute to his long-held dream, he was made an honorary firefighter during today's service.

A senior firefighter presenting the honorary helmet as she paid her respects.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want to be a firefighter. I said, really? He said, I'm in school now, that's what I will be. I'm like, long hours and you miss holidays, you are not with your family all time. You don't get paid a lot. You sure you don't want to be a doctor or something?

He says to me, he smiles with that smile that I will always remember about him, he said, mom, I don't care, I want to do it because I want to save people. I want to help people and I was like, that right there made me know that kid was going to be a firefighter one day.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCIUTTO: Nineteen shooting victims remain in the hospital tonight. Four of them still in critical condition.

As for the investigation, sources tell CNN the terrorist may have been planning this attack for weeks. One possible sign the gunman recently added his wife to his life insurance policy and gave her access to his bank accounts.

Let's bring in CNN's Ed Lavandera now who's in Orlando.

Ed, FBI studying a critical clue in this case. What has their attention? What do they expect to learn from it?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Jim, you can see behind me, despite heavy rains throughout much of the afternoon, investigators at the Pulse nightclub, have been working, continuing to collect evidence, and one of those pieces of evidence that we've learned they have been able to get their hands on is the under surveillance footage from inside the Pulse nightclub, obviously gruesome and difficult to watch for these investigators.

[19:20:03] But it will be crucial in piecing together the time lines and the behaviors of the killer as he moved through that nightclub for several hours last Sunday morning. So they will be taking a much closer look at that and dissecting that video very closely, looking for any more possible clues that might be able to help them in this investigation -- Jim.

SCIUTTO: I can't imagine what it shows. Difficult to watch.

What can you tell us more vigils planned in the coming days?

LAVANDERA: You know, we have learned tomorrow night here in Orlando there is a memorial service planned in a church in downtown Orlando that will be followed up by a candlelight vigil. Preparations are already under way for all of that roads will be blocked off in this part of Downtown Orlando.

So, the emotional outpouring continues. It will be exactly one week since the deadly rampage here in Orlando and obviously it's been a very difficult week for many members of this community, but everybody coming together, planning to coming together one more time tomorrow night here in Orlando -- Jim.

SCIUTTO: Such a familiar scene, a vigil following a mass shooting.

Ed Lavandera, thanks very much.

The Orlando massacre has not only reignited a nationwide debate over gun control. Gun dealers say it is sparking a rise yet again in gun sales.

CNN Money correspondent Alison Kosik breaks down the numbers.

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ALISON KOSIK, CNN MONEY BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Jim.

It's a typical pattern after a mass shooting. The massacre in Orlando triggered a spike in gun sales. Gun consumers worry that regulatory backlash like stricter gun laws will make it harder to buy firearms. Overall, consumers are actually buying more than ever. FBI background checks, the closest metric we have to gun seals in the U.S. hit a record high last year. And those checks are on track to be even greater this year, which is great news for the country's biggest gun manufacturers.

Case in point, Smith and Wesson, it reported last week firearm sales increased 22 percent from last year. Shares of the company also spiked as executives projected sales will continue to grow.

Stern Ruger, another gun manufacturer, also saw shares spike in the double digits right after the shooting.

Gun stocks have outperformed the broader market over the past decade. Sadly as mass shootings in Newtown, Connecticut, Aurora, Colorado, Charleston, South Carolina, and San Bernardino, California, have led to calls for tougher gun laws. And just like with tobacco companies, there could be pressure on large money managers to sell off their investments in gun companies.

But that could be a tough sell. Firms have every right to own gun companies. The business is legal and very profitable -- Jim.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

SCIUTTO: Alison Kosik in New York, thank you.

We are continuing to keep a close eye on Phoenix, Arizona, where at any moment we expect Donald Trump to take the stage and speak. Meanwhile, outside, protesters are gathering, angry about the presumptive nominee's agenda.

Stay with us. You are live in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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[19:26:25] SCIUTTO: Welcome back. I'm Jim Sciutto in Washington.

We're going to take you out live to a rally in Phoenix, Arizona, where Donald Trump, the presumptive GOP nominee is speaking. Let's have a listen.

TRUMP: Not a lot of people, because you don't need a lot of people. But if you have somebody with a gun strapped on to their hip, somebody with a gun strapped on to their ankle, him and you had bullets going in the opposite direction, right at this animal who did this, you would have had a very, very different result, believe me, folks, very different result.

But the people in there were totally defenseless. There was nothing they could do and we want to stop it. We want to be smart. We want to stop it.

Now, the National Rifle Association, they are great people. The NRA endorsement was one of the earliest endorsements. I think it was the earliest endorsement they have ever given and which have to stick -- look, Wayne and Chris and all of the people we know so many of them, I'm a member. My sons are members, long-time members. They're great hunters. My

sons are -- they love hunting. And they love and I tell you what, they represent so many of the people in this room. They represent the people in this room.

But the National Rifle Association and they don't get credit for what they do and what they stand for. These are great Americans. These are people that love our country, folks, these are people -- it's a little bit like, you know, it's a little bit like our police. We have unbelievable people that protect us, all of us, and they don't get the recognition they should get. OK? They don't get it.

So a lot of things are going to change. You know, they all say, say when, don't say if, look, when, if, we're doing well. When a poll came out yesterday, we were essentially even. We haven't really started. This is just the very beginning. But we haven't really started.

But we have crooked Hillary. She is so bad in so many ways. You know, you know, you know --

(BOOS)

Crazy Bernie said that about Hillary. No, we love Bernie. Look, is Bernie unbelievable? He doesn't quit. He doesn't quit.

Young Democrats for Trump, I like that. That's going to happen. I like that, put that up. Thank you, man.

Now, say what you want about Bernie, he doesn't quit. He's in there pitching. And you know, I agree with Bernie on certain things and I'll tell you where we really agree with Bernie is trade. Because he knows our country is being ripped off on trade like no country has ever been ripped off. We're losing our jobs. We're losing our manufacturing all over this country, all over the United States.

You know when it started was with NAFTA -- and NAFTA was signed by who? Bill Clinton. It's probably the most destructive economic act ever signed by our country. There's never been anything like this.

When I won primaries, I'd go to New York, and Pennsylvania, and Connecticut, all these different states, New England -- I mean, all over New England, you have to see it. No matter where all over the country, I'd go and you would see it was so horrible, you would see factories that were vibrant, vibrant 20, 25 years ago and now, they're worthless.

[19:30:00] They're sitting there rusting, rotting and falling down. And all taken out of our country. These are jobs that were moved to other places.

SCIUTTO: You are listening to Donald Trump at a rally in Phoenix, Arizona, some familiar campaign talking points there, there talking about crumbling infrastructure here in the U.S.. Please stay with us. We'll be back right after this break.

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SCIUTTO: Welcome back. A major development this weekend in the war against ISIS.

This is the Iraqi city of Fallujah, just 40 miles west of the capital of Baghdad. Still scattered gunfires that you hear there. But that hum-vee flying the Iraqi flag moving through the streets, the prime minister of Iraq announced today that all ISIS fighters are now gone from that city, pushed out. U.S. officials not yet convinced, but American warplanes have been pounding ISIS positions there for weeks.

CNN's Ben Wedeman is in Fallujah today.

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BEN WEDEMAN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): To save Fallujah from ISIS, Iraqi forces have destroyed vast expanses of this city, block after block, one flattened building after another. In military parlance the city was softened up, before the push into the center of Fallujah by days of heavy bombardment from land and air.

(on camera): So we're in this Iraqi Army hum-vee heading inside one of the neighbourhoods into southeast Fallujah. We've already heard small arms fire crackling inside and also heard the threat of incoming artillery rounds. We'll see what we find inside.

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I asked the soldiers in the hum-vee if dash (ph) - the Arabic acronym for ISIS is still inside the city. He says, there is no - response (INAUDIBLE) 12 year Army veteran. There is no dash. He then qualifies his statement. There are pockets, one or two still fighting here and there.

The pockets we soon discovered were many, they seem deep.

This is the (INAUDIBLE) neighbourhood in central Fallujah - it was until the day after yesterday under control of ISIS. Now we see lots of Iraqi troops in hum-vees in this part of the town, what we're not seeing are any civilians.

(voice-over): This officer, he asked to be called simply Abumerian (ph) encountered civilians fleeing the fighting.

They were in a bad way, exhausted, he says, they were suffering from lack of food and water.

Iraqi officials expected stiffer resistance in Fallujah, the first major city seized by ISIS, two-and-a-half years ago. But Iraqi force have managed to push rapidly inside. Officers insist resistance is at best scattered.

There is still a few snipers. We are dealing with them, says Yasin Badri and soon we'll finish them off.

One group of fighters did manage to liberate an ISIS banner. The liberation of the city, however, is still a work in progress.

Ben Wedeman, CNN, Fallujah.

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SCIUTTO: Iraqi troops and officers are confident that Fallujah will soon be under their control. Even top level government officials are heralding what they call the liberation of the city. But U.S. military, not sure yet. Defense secretary Ash Carter saying "they are in control of a portion of the city. I think it's too early to say all of the city."

Retired Army Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling is with me here today.

General Hertling commanded troops in northern Iraq, the first armoured division. General, great to have you today after seeing you in Orlando this week for such horrible circumstances but talking now about the battle on the ground in Iraq, American forces have been helping Iraqis there for about a month. Airstrikes on target in Fallujah. What kind of battle damage assessment does the Pentagon want to see before they agree that Fallujah is in Iraqi security force's hasn't?

LT. GEN. MARK HERTLING (RET.), CNN MILITARY ANALYST: Well, the Iraqi government, Jim, is normally very quick to say something is secure when it's not. I think we will see many more weeks of fighting within Fallujah. Fallujah is a very unique city for anyone whose ever been there. It's literally the wild west of Iraq.

It's going to take a while. This is a city of normally a population of 300,000. There are probably 50,000 in there now, many of them being used as human shields over the last several weeks and over the last two years. ISIS that has occupied that city, have established defensive positions, have laid house-borne IEDs, road-borned IEDs. So the Iraqi forces that are going in there now are going to have a great deal of trouble clearing that town.

Above that, the Iraqi government is going to have some real challenges in terms of getting humanitarian supplies, food, water, tents, to the citizens remaining there. The fight is a long way from being over, Jim.

SCIUTTO: So, Mark, you and I were standing in that very spot you are now, in Orlando, this week, just yards from where this horrible attack carried out at Pulse nightclub, claimed in the name of ISIS. Does what's happening on the ground in the battlefields in Iraq, affect the threats in places like Orlando, just elsewhere in the U.S.?

HERTLING: Yes, it certainly does, Jim, what we have talked about, you and I have talked about, offline, is that this ISIS organization is becoming a three-headed hydra. They have what's going on in the battlefield, they have their operatives that they are directing and then you have these individuals like what occurred here in Orlando conducting operations on their own for a variety of reasons.

So when you continue to assault the one group, in Iraq, Syria and other places, you're going to see those operatives and some of these individuals continue to rise up if they continue to be inspired by this organization. The only thing can you do is take away that inspiration by defeating ISIS in its headquarters on the battlefield in Iraq. That's critically important.

SCIUTTO: Does a group like ISIS make a strategic, I guess a tactical decision, if they're losing ground on the battlefield to kind of amp up their terror operations abroad to show their relevance? I mean, in this attack, you can't really say that, because there is no evidence of contact between ISIS in there but Paris did have a direct tie to ISIS homebase? Do they make that decision we're losing there, let's try to make it show here?

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HERTLING: Well, they have certainly have said that in their magazines. To beat (ph) magazine, they have put out calls to their media directors to do these kinds of attacks. They've asked their operators to take the fight to the enemy on its own soil, meaning both Europe and the United States. So certainly, they want that to happen.

They want to distract and get some of the tension away from the battlefield so they can continue to fight there but at the same time realizing that they're opening up what we would call a conventional battlefield technique, a second front.

In some cases, a third front. So it does somewhat relieve the pressure on them while continuing the attacks. I mean, as we've taken ground as the coalition and the Iraqi security force have taken ground away from ISIS in Iraq and Syria, just one attack that occurred here in Orlando this week will put attention back on them. They like that.

They want to keep this movement flowing. They want to do it anyway they possibly can.

SCIUTTO: General Hertling, not a lot of folks know Iraq better than you. Thanks very much.

HERTLING: Thank you, Jim.

SCIUTTO: Coming up live in the CNN "Newsroom," they call themselves the three amigos but only two made it out alive. CNN talked to an emotional pair of the Orlando night club shooting survivors who can't help but feel a sense of guilt. Their story is next.

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UNIDENTIFED MALE: It is customary that the fire service will use one of our own, there is something that is called the last alarm. And the last alarm is sounded for our brother or sister who made the supreme sacrifice for having selflessly given their lives for the good of their fellow man. Their task completed, their duties well done. To signify they're returning home. Cory has returned home, but he will live in our hearts forever.

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SCIUTTO: There was more there from today's funeral for a 21-year-old nightclub shooting victim, Cory Connell. He died trying to protect his girlfriend, his dream is to become a firefighter.

Now, many of the men and women who survived this mass shooting in Orlando, they feel lucky to be alive. As CNN's Gary Tuchman reports, at least two survivors now face a particularly unusual struggle, the guilt of having made it out alive when their close friend did not.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Three close friends, Christian, Carlos and Jimmy, at a happier evening at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando. The same club where they all went this past Saturday night.

This is Christian and Carlos.

CHRISTIAN ORTIZ, SURVIVED NIGHTCLUB SHOOTING: Our relationship, we are called the three amigos, because we always were together. Always.

TUCHMAN: The three amigos, all three were standing next to each other when the rampage started. Gunshots ringing out, the DJ stopping the music and yelling that everyone should get to the floor.

ORTIZ: And then the lights went out and it was so dark. I can see the people falling dead in front of me. I can see everything was, everybody was dead, everybody was like (INAUDIBLE) massacre or something like that.

TUCHMAN: Carlos made a decision, they needed to try to crawl to a bathroom where they saw others going. He tried to hold on to Jimmy and Christian, but was only able to maintain a grip on Christian amid the flying bullets.

CARLOS MUNIZ, SURVIVED NIGHTCLUB RAMPAGE: So I grabbed him by his shirt, and drag him with me into the bathroom and Jimmy is still laying down and at the moment, Jimmy was still alive. But he froze, he was so panicked that he froze. He laid down, face down and he covered his face like this.

ORTIZ: I was looking for Jimmy, I can't find him. I was, where you are, Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy, but everybody was screaming and I was trying to find Jimmy and when I looked back, that's when I saw that everybody was getting, he was shooting at the people on the floor.

TUCHMAN: Christian and Carlos were in the dark bathroom with about 30 other frightened people?

MUNIZ: You can see the blood was coming from under the floor, like it was water, when you break a bottle of water, it goes on the floor, it was the same thing, it was flat, it was getting under the door. It was very horrible.

TUCHMAN: People in the bathroom trembling in fear as the gunshots and screaming continued.

ORTIZ: It was like a movie, like a "Scarface" movie.

TUCHMAN: The police then storming the club.

Exchanging fire with the killer. Everybody in the bathroom, including Christian and Carlos running for their lives.

ORTIZ: When I get out, I was looking for Jimmy. I saw him dead on the floor.

MUNIZ: He looked. He saw Jimmy.

ORTIZ: I mentioned everybody was dead, everybody. There was nobody live inside that club. It can't be, because nobody was moving.

TUCHMAN: As they sit here now, Christian and Carlos wonder, why did they survive, while the other member of the three amigos, Jimmy, did not. They have survivor's guilt.

(on camera): You guys were so courageous that you did so much for each other and did your best for your friend, too. I hope you take comfort in that.

ORTIZ: I know, I know, but I will miss him a lot.

It was supposed to be the three amigos, not two. It's just horrible that you can lose somebody you love in just less than a second. And I got to go the rest of my life. I hope he can rest in peace. I love him very much. I'm sorry that he died that way. That's what I can say.

TUCHMAN (voice-over): Gary Tuchman, CNN, Orlando.

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SCIUTTO: Welcome back. We've been monitoring a Donald Trump rally in Phoenix, Qrizona. The presumptive GOP nominee speaking there now. We're going to have a brief listen.

TRUMP: What they've done is incredible and we're doing the same thing. We're taking in millions of people that we don't know who the hell they are, they don't have documentation, they don't have paperwork. It's going to be a problem like you've never seen before, and you're going to have a situation.

You look at Orlando, you look at Orlando and you see how bad that was. Sadly, folks, unless we get really tough and really smart, it's going to happen again and again and again until we really know what the hell we're doing, because we don't know what we're doing. We just don't know.

So we're going to be - we're going to be different. We're going to be tougher. We're going to be smarter. We're going to bring our jobs. We're going to have borders, we're going to have the wall. We need the wall. We have to stop the drugs. We have to stop -

Who is going to pay for the wall? Tell me. It's going to happen. You know, when I was in the debates, when I was in the debates and every single poll after the debate said I won every debate. Are we proud of me? Am I doing a good job? I never did this stuff before, but every single poll had me winning every single debate. Every single poll. They did like seven of them for each debate. I think I was in 11 debates. Every poll I was center stage.

The only thing I said to the networks or the cables, I said, "no, no, no, I want an odd number." They said, "no, we can't do that. We want eight or we want 12." Remember at the beginning? They had so many people they needed another stage, right? But I always said I want an odd number on the stage. They said, why? Because if I don't have an odd number, I'm not in the center, right?

SCIUTTO: You've been listening there to Donald Trump, the presumptive GOP nominee for president speaking at a campaign rally in Phoenix, Arizona. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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SCIUTTO: The police department of a major California city has evolved into chaos. I want to you listen to the very frustrated mayor of Oakland, California.

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MAYOR LIBBY SCHAAF, OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA: As the mayor of Oakland, I am here to run a police department, not a frat house. Today continues to be a day where we are sharing disturbing information with you.

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SCIUTTO: That disturbing information, that she was losing the third chief of police in eight days. Three police chiefs in little more than a week. All this amid claims of illicit sex and race text messages. Our affiliate KGO has more.

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VIC LEE, REPORTER (voice-over): The SFPD will only say it is aware of an investigation to see if any members of its department had inappropriate contact with a young victim who goes by the name Celeste Gua (ph).

Reliable sources tell ABC7 News that the review involved several officers who joined SFPD as laterals, or officers who are members of another police force. In this case, we're told they are former members of the Oakland Police Department.

This on the heels of the announcement by Oakland mayor Libby Schaaf that she fired the interim police chief Ben Farrell, whom she appointed only six days ago. Reason, he reportedly had an extramarital affair more than a decade ago.

This has ramped up in already chaotic and astonishing chain of events at a department that is under federal oversight. So far five Oakland cops have been placed on leave while they are being investigated in connection with a sex scandal. Investigations extend to the (INAUDIBLE) police force and now the Alameda County DA office has placed one of its investigators former OPD Captain Rick Arosco on leave, in connection with the case.

UNIDENTIFED MALE: For me, the most serious challenge right here is the violation of young girls.

LEE: City councilman Noel Gailo represents International Boulevard in Oakland, a hangout for prostitutes, pimps and johns. Gailo says many are now coming forward saying there's more to this story.

NOEL GAILO, OAKLAND CITY COUNCIL: But there are people starting to talk that are engaged in prostitution and are coming forth to say, yes, this happened, that happened at this place, that place.

LEE: With officers?

GAILO: With officers.

LEE: Gailo says he's given the information to Oakland Police.

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SCIUTTO: That was reporter Vic Lee there in Oakland, California.

I'm Jim Sciutto, in Washington. Next on CNN, Fareed Zakaria investigates hate, radical Muslims and the United States. "WHY THEY HATE US", a CNN special, starts right now.