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Trump Vows to Match Donations up to $2M; Clinton to Deliver Attack Speech on Trump; Interview with RNC's Sean Spicer on Trump. Aired 11-11:30a ET

Aired June 21, 2016 - 11:00   ET


[11:00:00] CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: We'll keep you posted on that, too.

Thank you for joining me today. I'm Carol Costello.

AT THIS HOUR with Berman and Bolduan starts now.


DONALD TRUMP, (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE & CEO, TRUMP ORGANIZATION: Hillary Clinton is going to raise your taxes big league.

HILLARY CLINTON, (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE & FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: He is temperamentally unfit and totally unqualified to be commander-in-chief.


TRUMP (voice-over): I understand money better than anybody. I'm way up on the economy.

CLINTON: He is trying to scam America the way he scammed all those people at Trump U.

TRUMP (on camera): Crooked Hillary takes tens of millions of dollars from countries that kill gays and that enslave women.


KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everybody. I'm Kate Bolduan.


Just into CNN, Donald Trump putting his money or some of it where his mouth is. His mouth will be talking about the Clintons in a major speech tomorrow, exactly 24 hours from now. As for his money, he just announced he will personally match every dollar that comes through his campaign within the next 48 hours up to $2 million. This, as he trails the Clinton fundraising machine by a whopping $40 million.

BOLDUAN: This also as Clinton is about to offer up the next installment of her Trump attack tour, this time, on the economy and his business record. Her speech will try to paint Trump as a self- interested tycoon. This is a live look right now of the room where she's going to be speaking. A top Clinton adviser has already been previewing the peach to say, if Trump is at the wheel, he will drive the economy off the cliff.

And then there's this, a brand new CNN/ORC poll shows Clinton leading Trump, 47 percent to 42 percent. But there is so much more behind those numbers.

Let's start first though with Trump's shortfall.

CNN's Jeremy Diamond is live outside the Marriott Marquee in New York City where Trump is meeting with evangelical leaders AT THIS HOUR.

But, Jeremy, he's heading into this meeting as he sends out a very big fundraising appeal, as John just said, and as he posts these dismal fundraising numbers for the last month.

JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, John and Kate. You know, Donald Trump is sending out this fundraising e-mail this morning. which seems like a little bit of a cry for help from his supporters. He's saying, if you can pitch in, if you can help us right now, just as we're experiencing a little bit of a fundraising shortfall, particularly after the numbers that his campaign posted from the month of May. He's saying, listen, if you chip in, I will chip in as well contributing up to $2 million matching the donations he receives in the next 48 hours.

But just so you know, the stark differences between the Trump campaign and the Clinton campaign as far as fundraising, I think we have some numbers we can throw up on the screen. The Clinton campaign has $42 million in cash on hand, and that just completely dwarfs the numbers that Trump has. He has just $1.3 million in cash on hand. That's after in the month of May he raised $3.1 million. This is Donald Trump ramping up his fundraising operation. Before May, he had practically no fundraising activity to speak of, so the month of June may look rosier to the Trump campaign.

Other points as well are showing the degree to which the Clinton campaign has a much more traditional infrastructure. Donald Trump has just 69 staffers on payroll. The Clinton campaign has 685. That's something Donald Trump has actually sought to use to his advantage. He's saying, listen, I'm running a lean-and-mean operation and this is what I need to win. Why spend millions and millions of dollars that I don't need to spend when I succeeded, I succeeded in the primaries with just a small staff and, of course, Donald Trump at the center of it all.

BERMAN: That number 69 today, it was 70 yesterday before Corey Lewandowski, the campaign manager, was fired. So it's 69 and dropping, at least recently.

Jeremy Diamond, thanks so much.

It is numbers day here at AT THIS HOUR, the fundraising numbers. Now the poll numbers.

Want to bring in CNN political director, David Chalian, the man behind the numbers.

BOLDUAN: Sounds nefarious.

BERMAN: David, we saw Clinton leading Donald Trump by five points. But what jumps out to you?

DAVID CHALIAN, CNN POLITICAL DIRECTOR: We've been talking a lot about this dichotomy, what is being said up here is temperament versus trustworthiness. Let's start with honesty and trustworthiness. And a big Trump advantage. I mean, who is more honest and trustworthy? He's winning that by eight points, 45 percent to Clinton's 37 percent. If you look at temperament, this is even a bigger Hillary Clinton advantage than that was a Trump advantage. 56 percent says that she has the temperament to serve as president compared to 32 percent who say that about Donald Trump.

BOLDUAN: So they're branding -- the way they're trying to brand each other seems to be working.

CHALIAN: Seems to be working. They are certainly in the way they're building negative frames on each other they are playing to.

BERMAN: Crooked Hillary versus temperamentally unfit. You can see it in the numbers.

BOLDUAN: What about the battleground states? We have new numbers.

[11:05:08] CHALIAN: Quinnipiac looked at Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. If you look at Ohio and Pennsylvania, they are very close, guys. There you see in Ohio couldn't be closer, tied 40 percent, 40 percent. Pennsylvania, you see a one-point 42 percent, Clinton, Trump 41 percent. Obviously, all within the margin of error. However, Clinton is up eight points in the Florida poll, which is a big deal for Hillary Clinton because, as you guys know, putting together a map that gets Donald Trump to 270 electoral votes without Florida is extraordinary difficult.

He really needs that to be part of the puzzle that he puts together to get to 270. Without it, it's tough. But with those two tied polls in Ohio and Pennsylvania. Shows us what we've known. This is going to be a battle between these two candidates for white, working class voters in the upper Midwest. Not that Hillary Clinton is expected to win white, working-class voters. But it will be a battle on her part to keep the margins narrow.

BERMAN: As you say, Florida -- by the way, Pennsylvania plus Ohio doesn't give him the game if he loses Florida. He needs more than that.

CHALIAN: Florida is critical for his path. It's helpful obviously to her path as well but not as critical. She has more option options.

BERMAN: Let's talk about the issues a little bit. Commander-in- chief, immigration, Clinton has a little bit of an edge there in some cases, but he's on top on economy and terrorism and she's giving an economy speech today. CHALIAN: Which are big issues on voters' minds. Those are not small

issues for Donald Trump to be winning on. That's very good news for him. He's plus-eight points on the economy. He's plus-three points on terrorism. Listen, so she has her work cut out for her in what she wants to build on the economic message today taking him down. But, guys, you're right to point out, John, 12-point advantage for Hillary Clinton on who would be a better commander-in-chief. 13-point advantage on judgment to handle a crisis. Those are big, big margins for her there. So, yes, she's got a five-point lead. A lot of these numbers underneath are good for her. He can point to that economy number, which, as you know, is issue number-one for voters as a place to really start building and becoming more and more competitive with secretary Clinton.

BOLDUAN: And the economy in battleground states like Ohio, those are very important. Wow.

Let's go to Columbus, Ohio.

Thanks, David.

Let's go to Columbus, Ohio, where Hillary Clinton will be speaking about the economy today.

That's where senior political correspondent, Brianna Keilar, is. She's there inside the room.

So this, the campaign, Brianna, has been billing this as a major hit on Trump's business record. What are you hearing?

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: That's right. So we heard Hillary Clinton talk about Donald Trump and where he stands on foreign policy a few weeks ago. This is something in the vein of that. Remember, she hit him hard in San Diego so we're expecting that that may be a big part of this major economic speech.

But there's a reason, Kate, why she is attacking Donald Trump on this, and it has to do with what you're seeing in the poll numbers. Hillary Clinton is trailing Donald Trump in the latest CNN/ORC poll by eight points when voters are asked who would do a better job when it comes to handling the economy. So she's trying to cut into this idea that he has business acumen, that he can create jobs. And she's doing that, in part, with a speech today.

But her campaign also launched a new website called Clearly, a negative take on Donald Trump's best-selling book. And they put out an online ad.

Here is part of it.


SEN. MARCO RUBIO, (R), FLORIDA: Have you ever heard of Trump Steaks?

TRUMP: You know what? Take a look at Trump Steaks.


SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN, (D), MASSACHUSETTS: Trump Games, Trump Travel, Trump Ice.

JOHN OLIVER, HBO HOST, LAST WEEK TONIGHT: "Trump" magazine, which folded. "Trump World" magazine, which also folded.

ROMNEY: And Trump Mortgage.

TRUMP: It's a great time to start a mortgage company.



KEILAR: Now, the campaign is saying that Hillary Clinton is going to make the point that a Donald Trump presidency would drive the American economy off the cliff into another recession, that it would hit middle class Americans by taking away their jobs, by taking away their livelihoods. No coincidence when you see some of these new poll numbers, especially this Quinnipiac University poll coming out, of Pennsylvania, Florida, Ohio, these key swing states like this one, voters are saying that they think Donald Trump would be better at creating jobs. So Hillary Clinton is trying to turn that narrative around.

BERMAN: In Columbus, Ohio, to address that very issue today.

Brianna Keilar, thank you so much.

Joining us to discuss, Mark Preston, "CNN Politics" executive editor; Patti Solis Doyle, CNN political commentator and a former Clinton's 2008 campaign manager; Barry Bennett, Trump supporter and Republican consultant; and Ryan Williams, former spokesman for Governor Mitt Romney's presidential campaign.

What a group we have here today, and what a lot going on today.

Barry Bennett --


BOLDUAN: Keep the answers short.

[11:10:00] BERMAN: -- we saw Brianna Keilar in Columbus where Hillary Clinton is giving a big speech.

But we learned a few minutes ago, Donald Trump is giving a big speech 24 hours from now during this broadcast tomorrow where he promises, he says, I will be making a big speech tomorrow to discuss the failed policies and bad judgment of Crooked Hillary Clinton. That's what he put in a tweet. What is Donald Trump going to say tomorrow?

BARRY BENNETT, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST & TRUMP SUPPORTER: There's a plethora of things he could say. I don't know which one he will. When it comes to the economy, obviously, the polling shows this. But she doesn't have much to say positively. No one can find a job. No one has had a real raise in eight years.


BERMAN: Unemployment is half of what it was.

BENNETT: That's because the labor participation rate is in the cellar. That's why that number is low. If you go to Youngstown, Ohio, tell them how great the economy is and they'll laugh her out of town.

BOLDUAN: Another thing he's facing is the dismal fundraising numbers for May.

BENNETT: There was no fundraising going on in May.

BOLDUAN: Hillary Clinton was fund raising in May.

BENNETT: This is before California. He was funding it himself. There were some donations to PACs and that kind of stuff. But the fundraising operation didn't start until June.

BOLDUAN: On fundraising, he talked about it on -- to "FOX & Friends" this morning and he said something quite interesting about fundraising and going forward. More like maybe I'll go my own road. Listen to this.


TRUMP (voice-over): I can go a different route. I can just spend my own money. I have a lot of cash, and I can do like I did with the other, just spend money on myself and go happily along and I think I win that way. There are many people that think I do better that way.


BOLDUAN: If he does better that way, then why not go the self fundraising route? Why not?

BENNETT: Maybe that's what he'll do.

BERMAN: If I had $10 billion, I would give myself money for my campaign. Gee has.

BENNETT: He's given over $50 million so far.

BERMAN: $1.3 million in the bank. That's pretty low.

Ryan, Williams, you know how low that is. For Mitt Romney, four years ago, he raised $23.4 million in May 2012. He had $17 million on hand at this point. Looking at what Donald Trump has, $1.3 million in the bank, what do you make of that? What does it mean for Donald Trump right now?

RYAN WILLIAMS, FORMER SPOKESMAN, MITT ROMNEY PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN: It's very troubling. This is a $1 billion race. He needs the money to fight Hillary Clinton's political machine. The fact that Trump didn't fund raise during the primary is troubling because he didn't build the infrastructure in place he needs now to raise money. He didn't solicit small dollar donations, build a list he can then tap in to for the general election. He's really at zero right now. And that puts him at a huge disadvantage. He's down $1.3 million I think to $42 million. That's a huge, unprecedented difference between our nominees. And he really needs to get going now if he's going to be competitive in the fundraising raise.

BOLDUAN: Trump says he runs a lean-and-mean operation. That's something he's prided himself on. He says he doesn't need a huge staff because he runs such a lean-and-mean operation but why do campaigns need money? Why does he need money? What does money do?

MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR: Right. We talk about money, we talk about it in a way that if the viewers are probably glossing over and saying what's the difference? Donald Trump is on TV every day.

BERMAN: They're hanging on your every word, make no mistake.

PRESTON: It's very simple.



PRESTON: Stop. OK. No, no.

Listen, the bottom line is you have to pay bills, you have to hire people. You have to build an infrastructure. Patti knows that. You need to put people in the state. You need to pay for bumper stickers, for signs, for phone. You need to pay for a lot of things. And to the point where Ryan says a $1 billion campaign, it's going to be a $1 billion campaign. I just don't think it's going to be a $1 billion campaign on the Republican side because I don't think they can get --


BERMAN: I love Patti's response, as a former campaign manager, oh, yeah, I need money.


BERMAN: Let me ask you though, Patti, the last three weeks have been rough for Donald Trump, very rough. And Donald Trump even acknowledges it. He says, look, if it's been so bad for me the last three weeks and I'm only down five points in the CNN poll nationally right now, I'm tied in Ohio and Pennsylvania, then things aren't that bad. I mean, if this is as bad as it's going to get, I can turn things around.

SOLIS DOYLE: Things are pretty bad for him. I mean, I think this could possibly be the single worst transition from a winning primary campaign to a general election campaign in modern history.

BERMAN: Why isn't it worse in the polls? SOLIS DOYLE: For Hillary?

BERMAN: For Donald Trump.


SOLIS DOYLE: I think only if Hillary Clinton were to be asked, why are you not winning by more. I think she's winning in that poll nationally. She's winning in Florida and, frankly, all she has to do is win Florida to win the presidency. And as you mentioned, today she's going to give this economic speech where she is going to contrast between her and Donald Trump, and she's going to go after Donald Trump using the same technique she used in San Diego on her foreign policy speech. She's going to use his direct words. She's going to use his direct policies to contrast with him and prove that, you know, he's risky for this country and dangerous for this country. After she gave the foreign policy speech, her numbers skyrocketed in terms of commander-in-chief. We'll see her numbers skyrocket on the economy after this speech.

PRESTON: The bottom line is that they're both not very well liked. They have huge negatives. We're heading into a general election where their negatives are so high right now in many ways people who go to the polls are probably going to be voting against the other person as supporting that person.


PRESTON: Now, the polling we're looking at is a snapshot in time and there is time for Hillary Clinton to build support, but there's also time for Donald Trump to build support.

[11:15:30] BERMAN: What about that, Ryan? Over the last 24 hours we've seen the Trump campaign do a lot. Fire the campaign manager for one. Number two, he's giving this speech tomorrow on Hillary Clinton. They've talked about this for a while. They had to postpone it because of the shootings in Orlando but it's a big speech for the Trump campaign, and he started to at least raise money in a way that's more overt and out there for people to see and saying he's going to give $2 million of his own money. Will it placate some Republicans?

WILLIAMS: Hopefully, the move to fire Corey Lewandowski is a pivot point where the campaign can start consolidating around one leader. There was a lot of in-fighting the campaign that distracted it from the core mission. Hopefully, now they can focus on helping Trump become a better candidate. There's a lot of work to do, fundraising work, organizational work, message work. He hasn't really done anything in the first month and time is ticking. The election is in November. That seems like a ways away, but this is not something where you can just flick a switch and this type of apparatus comes forth. It takes a while to build it.


BENNETT: Listen, if this is a $1 million campaign, and Hillary Clinton has a $41 million head start, that is nothing. BOLDUAN: You have no concerns?


BENNETT: Money is not going to be the determining factor in this election. That I guarantee you.

BERMAN: Patti, on the subject of campaign management, this is something you know a little bit about.

SOLIS DOYLE: Very well.

BERMAN: David Axelrod put out a tweet yesterday. Axelrod says, "Purge of Corey Lewandowski reflects what a tough business politics can be. Things don't go well, you can't fire candidates so you fire staff."

You responded simply by saying --




BERMAN: You've been there.

SOLIS DOYLE: I have been there.

BERMAN: What's it like to be at that moment in a campaign?

SOLIS DOYLE: Well, it's never a good thing when you have to fire the campaign manager. Things aren't going well. And I'm not speaking directly from experience, usually the not going well comes from the top. And the fact that Donald Trump, who should be having the best sort of six weeks of his campaign, is not just stumbling but crashing over whether it's the Hispanic judge, racial comments against the Hispanic judge and his Trump University lawsuit or his remarks on guns after the Orlando shooting, he just can't get beyond himself during this campaign. So firing Corey Lewandowski may be a pivot point but really the real problem is Donald Trump himself. You know, I thought Corey Lewandowski's interview yesterday with Dana Bash was great. He was loyal to the end towards Donald Trump. I don't think it's going to be enough to sort of reshape that campaign.

BOLDUAN: We will see. That's for sure.

Stand by, guys. We have a lot more to discuss.

BERMAN: Coming up for us, we should say you don't want to miss a big moment at CNN tomorrow night. The Libertarians will be here. They have big support in our recent poll. Gary Johnson could have a very big impact on this race. See Gary Johnson and his running mate, William Weld, in a live town hall tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. Eastern only on CNN. BOLDUAN: At the same time, we're keeping an eye on Columbus, Ohio,

where Hillary Clinton is about to take the stage for what her campaign is promising will be a scathing attack on Donald Trump's business record. We will bring that to you live when it happens.

BERMAN: But first, the RNC's chief strategist will join us to talk about money. What's going on with Trump's fundraising, what's going on with Republican fundraising? What does he think about the big campaign shake-up? What was the role the party played in the ouster of Corey Lewandowski? That's next.


[11:22:52] BERMAN: A huge fundraising gap, some underwhelming poll numbers, a campaign manager who is now the owner of a brand new pink slip. And it's only Tuesday.

BOLDUAN: And it is also less than four weeks to the GOP convention. What's the state of play?

Sean Spicer is a Republican National Committee's chief strategist. He's joining us now.

Sean, great to see you.

Taking a look at the numbers, I know you know them, but to repeat them, Trump, he's behind Clinton, way behind Clinton, and way behind where Mitt Romney was four years ago in the month of May. RNC when you look at the numbers is also behind where it was in May of 2012. RNC raised $13 million in May of 2012 it raised $24 million. Is this a Trump problem or a problem?

SEAN SPICER, CHIEF STRATEGIST & COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE: Two things. We raised 155 million so far to date. As you know Chairman Priebus has been spending that money on staff and data for the last several years. So when you look at where we are as a party, we're in a very good shape. We have had over 500 deployed over the country for a year. You're hearing the stories right now, Hillary is just getting those staffers out. She's been going through a long, protracted primary about Bernie Sanders. Finally starting to be able to focus more on the general. We've been there for over a year.

I think when you look at the entirety of where our party is at and where our efforts are at combined with the party and the campaign, it's the Republicans that are far ahead. When it comes to the one report you're referencing, it's seven days over a 30-day period it reflects.

So I appreciate everyone's concern over the state of our party. We're doing just great. And I think as we continue to move forward, the enthusiasm and excitement surrounding Trump's candidacy will be reflected in the financials as well.

BERMAN: Sean, he has $1.3 million in the bank. There are county commissioners who have that much in the bank as a campaign? Is that a good place to be?

SPICER: Hold on. Let's stop because that's a false narrative. Donald Trump has financed his campaign by writing checks. He can do that. You're looking at the Trump campaign through the prism of the Hillary Clinton campaign. Donald Trump financed his campaign all the way to this point by adding in more of his own personal money. So it's false to say that he has $1.3 million. If he wanted to get that number up in two seconds, he just strokes a check and it's up. If you look at the months going forward, whether it's the low dollar activity we're seeing in the mail and the phones or the people that really want to meet him at some of the in-person fundraisers, there's tremendous intensity.

And as much as I appreciate everyone's concern over our finances, when you look at it in totality, year-over-year, we're doing really well. We've put those staffers on the ground. We're well ahead on the ground game, ahead of where the Democrats are. So I think we're pretty happy with where things stand.

[11:25:51] BOLDUAN: And we talked about that ground game last time you were on. I remember you were talking about training day that you were hosting this very weekend.

But just for a point, the Hillary Clinton and the Democrat party, if they had posted numbers like this, I know you would be all over it but that is just politics.

SPICER: You're right.


SPICER: No, no, I would. You're absolutely right. I would. But there's a difference. Hillary Clinton aside from the fact that she's, you know, beyond -- if the Clinton Foundation was funding her campaign I'd agree with it because of the way they shake down donors there.


BOLDUAN: Has Trump told you he's going to write those checks?

SPICER: He has the option. So the point is --


BERMAN: Use it. Is he going to use it? The key is, Sean -- Sean, the option doesn't matter if he's not going to use it. Is he going to use it? Do you want Donald Trump to self-fund his campaign?

SPICER: That's up to him. That's a false narrative. Absolutely, he has the ability to do it. That's a vastly different scenario than Hillary Clinton who hasn't put any money of her own in the campaign. He has the option to do that. To say the bank account is what it is, is not really reflecting the current environment. He has up to this point written the checks himself to finance the campaign. And every time it goes to low, he fills the tank back up. Over to a fundraising mechanism that started for the general election. The report is seven day into a 30-day period. I can tell you the intensity and excitement for Donald Trump's campaign is reflected both in the low dollar and high dollar numbers.

BOLDUAN: Sean, the campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, is out. All sorts of reports that Reince Priebus wanted this to happen or was open for this to happen. Is that true?

SPICER: The chairman did speak to Mr. Trump. The counsel he gives him is private and that's as far as I'm going to go on that.

BERMAN: Do you think the Trump campaign is better off today than it was yesterday?

SPICER: I think there's a -- look, I think Corey did a great job getting Mr. Trump where he was in the primaries. There was an unbelievably talented field of Republicans that Mr. Trump bested. Corey led that team. I think he deserves a lot of credit fort. Paul Manafort has a lot of experience in general elections, and I think that, as the campaign shifts into a general election mode, it makes sense to shift strategies and leadership to somebody who has got the experience necessary to win in November.

BOLDUAN: It never looks good when a campaign manager is fired, and a lot of people have talked about a winning campaign, especially at this stage in the game, does not fire its campaign manager. Do you have any concerns with the fact this shake-up happened a month before the GOP convention?

SPICER: No, I think it shows the Trump campaign understands what is necessary to focus to get the mechanics and organization ready election. It's a much different playing than a primary. You have seen that. You just had Patti Solis Doyle talking about the shift they had in Hillary's campaign way back when.


BOLDUAN: That was in February of 2008, though.

SPICER: Fair enough. But at some point, at this point, we're 30 days out from the convention, this is a perfect time to pivot to the general election. The campaign recognized it need a new leadership structure and we had someone like Paul with his experience that was a perfect fit to lead the team going forward in the general. That's Mr. Trump's decision to make and I think he made one that's in the best interests of his campaign and his ability to win in November. But, look, I think you're seeing effort. We synced up really well. Tomorrow, we're launching a website that's going to focus on Hillary Clinton's lies. If anyone wants to see the first video, if they text Trump to 88022, they can get a partnership of that video.

I think you will see a combined Republican effort to go after Hillary Clinton to expose the lies she had going back not just in the recent scandals but the whole legacy of the Clintons going back to little rock about how they have a pattern of deceit and untrustworthiness.

BOLDUAN: Interesting time that Trump's making that speech tomorrow, Sean. And you're rolling out --


BERMAN: Exactly. We see the news right here, the rolling out this --


SPICER: How convenient.


BERMAN: Florida down eight in the Quinnipiac poll. I'm sure you have the same problem I do, which is you're addicted to the electoral map and all the games you can play.

BOLDUAN: I'm going to get you guys help.

BERMAN: Can you piece together an electoral victory for Donald Trump that doesn't include Florida?