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[11:00:13] BECKY ANDERSON, HOST: The ban stands. The International Olympic Committee supports the sanctioning of Russian track and field
athletes. So, will they be able to compete in the Rio games? We're going to have the latest view on that coming up.
Also this hour...
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are not in the good times. Maybe we are really clean in the system now.
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ANDERSON: CNN goes inside an anti-doping lab in Rio to see how it's getting for the 2016 Summer Games.
Plus, in or out? With just two days to go, both sides of the Brexit debate make their final pitches.
Hello, I'm Becky Anderson. Welcome to Connect the World. Tonight, live from London. Our top story this hour, Russia's Olympic hopes hanging
in the balance today. The International Olympic Committee said it's supporting a ban against Russia's track and field team,
but some athletes may be allowed to compete in the Rio games.
Athletics world governing body extended the track and field ban last Friday citing widespread
doping in Russia. Well, today, the IOC president called out both Russia and Kenya saying athletes from those countries must take extra steps to
compete in Rio.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
THOMAS BACH, IOC PRESIDENT: Each athlete coming from these two countries will have to declare eligible by the respective international
federation following an individual procedure and an individual evaluation of the situation.
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ANDERSON: Well, Moscow is furious. The Kremlin refusing to rule out the possibility of boycotting the games.
Well, to break this all down for us, then, CNN World Sport's Alex Thomas is with me here in the studio.
Explain the IOC's position, if you will.
ALEX THOMAS, CNN WORLD SPORT: Well, Becky, the IOC are effectively saying not only are Russia's track and field athletes still banned from the
Rio Games. But actually that ban has been extended in some ways. So, if you're a Russian wrestler, or a Russian swimmer, for example, you will not
go to Rio as things stand as I speak, you actually have to apply to your sport's international federations. So the swimming governing body, or the
wrestling governing body, for argument's sake.
I don't think the Kenyans do anything other than running, actually, but if there was a Kenyan swimming, for example, they'd have to do the
same. That's because the national anti-doping agencies in both Russia and Kenya are currently banned. They're non-compliant. They're not
functioning. So the presumption of innocents of those athletes has been taken away (inaudible) phrase, presumption of innocence removed, because if
you've been living and training in Russia or Kenya and been tested by those national anti-doping agencies, those tests are irrelevant because, the
system is broke.
ANDERSON: Stay with me. IU want to get our viewers to Moscow now. And Matthew Chance, who is joining us for more from there. And I just,
Matthew, before we talk, to get our viewers a sense of how this case has evolved.
In 2014, a German TV report first brought this scandal to life. After a nearly year-long investigation, the International Association of
Athletics Federations suspended Russia. Then, this January, the IAAF banned the former head of Russian athletics for life for allegedly taking
bribes to cover up the doping. And in the last few weeks, German broadcaster ARD claimed Russia is still doping, state-sponsored doping.
Russia officials called the accusations absolute slander.
So, Matthew, Russia now saying it may boycott the games. The way this thing is playing out that, that might just do the game's organizers a
favor. Is that likely to happen?
MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It's not clear, to be frank, at the moment. They were certainly -- the Kremlin was asked this
question earlier on today on a conference call, and the spokesperson for Vladimir Putin, his name is Dmitry Peskov, didn't give a very committal
answer, a committed answer. He said, look, nobody wants that precedent, but he didn't explicit live rule it out.
But the reason he was asked that question was lots of politicians, lots of public figures, lots of sports stars here in Russia believe they've
been targeted unfairly by the International Athletics Association, the IAAF. They believe they've -- it was wrong for the IOC, the International
Olympic Committee, to uphold that ban. And they think that Russia should make a
statement of its own and say, look, we're not going to send any of our athletes, not just the track and field athletes that have been banned under
this suspension, but none of our athletes should go to Rio.
And that would -- their logic goes -- diminish the Olympic Games. The head of the Russian Olympic Committee saying that banning all athletes for
the misdeeds of just a few is against the Olympic charter and could actually end up in destroying the Olympic
[11:05:26] ANDERSON: All right. With that, we'll leave it there. From Matthew in Russia for us, and Alex here in the studio, thank you.
Well, doping could overshadow the Olympics now just six and a half weeks away at the center of efforts to stamp out drug cheats will be a new
anti-doping lab in Rio. It will be open 24 hours a day, seven days a week throughout the games. And my colleague Nick Paton Walsh went to see it.
NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: In the race for Rio to be ready, a few final tweaks matter more than in this one room -
- Brazil's 24-hour anti-doping laboratory for the Olympics. Testing 6,000 tiny samples from athletes in the games, each able to crush a sportsman's
Where nations will be desperate for a clean slate after allegations of doping on a state-sponsored industrial scale, the Russian track and field
stars banned for now. Russia's categorically denied all allegations but says it needs to regain trust. Here they are hoping to stay clear of
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Maybe we are really clean in the system now.
WALSH (on camera): Doping risks overwhelming the Olympics introducing to it sheer politically rivalry, corruption and essentially cheating at the
heart of sport.
(voice over): Here urine is stripped down to the core molecules, these spectograms are then identified. But it's before this stage that samples
were allegedly tampered with in the 2014 Sochi games, Russia accused of staggeringly using its security services, its new KGB, to tamper with
supposedly tamper-proof bottles, allegedly using this hole in the laboratory wall to switch samples. With each bottle having a special random
number on its seal, how do you do that?
FRANCISCO RADLER DE AQUINO NETO, LABORATORY DIRECTOR: We have millions of different caps. You open a bottle and close it with another.
WALSH (on camera): You basically have to be the people making the bottle to be able to --
NETA: Almost that -- almost that. Or have a mirror factory of that to be able to fabricate it.
WALSH: But it's almost impossible to be sure if countries are willing to do that kind of thing -- that level of planning.
NETA: I think it's really hard to reach that point because you need to involve high ranking officials from the country, from the country anti-
doping agency, from the direction of the laboratory, from the technicians. So it's -- to do that is kind of (inaudible).
WALSH (voice over): This where the cold, gray worrying of science collides with that underworld of alleged breathtaking deception.
ANDERSON: Well, Nick Paton Walsh joining me now from Rio.
And Nick, after the political and economic nightmares facing the country, the ongoing Zika scare, doping another day, it seems, and another
damaging headline. What do we know of the details of a Paralympian robbed in Rio?
WALSH: Well, occurring on the beaches around sort of where Rio's coastline curves around behind me, in an area known as Flamingo,
apparently, Liesl Tesch, an Australian Paralympian, was robbed at gunpoint of her bicycle. Now, that has led to -- I mean, it's one of a number of
cases in which athletes here have been Sunday that she was robbed -- petty crime being a major issue in Rio.
But this has lead to the Australian International Olympic Committee being very open, and they want extra security. In fact, they're
contemplating potentially private security being employed to boost protection for their athletes. Here's what one of their officials had to
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KITTY CHILLER, CHIEF OF MISSION, AUSTRALIAN OLYMPIC TEAM: The AOCC (inaudible) is writing to the IOC. We're both demanding that the security
forces which number about 100,000, that firstly the level of those forces is reviewed and also we are asking that those forces be mobilized earlier
prior to game's time.
It doesn't seem that 100,000 is enough. The 100,000 is a mixture of state and federal police, of military and of private security forces. It
is a lot more than we had in London, but Rio is not London. And in my opinion based on the latest incidents, we need to make sure that all those
competition and training venues are safe.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALSH: Now, there's another concern here, which is the finances of the state of Rio itself. There was an urgent declaration made by the
acting governor on Friday saying there's a state of financial calamity here, appealing for (inaudible) bureaucracy, most importantly, for funds
from a federal level. They have not materialized at this stage. The last we heard from a federal government meeting was they were going to delay
debt repayment scheduling.
So, concerns about the finances here and how this area will actually pay for the police it's already promised to put on the streets, almost
impossible to lock down an area of this particular size.
But Becky, I should point out another problem we've seen as well, and that relates to the hospitals that are supposed to be providing health care
to potential visitors here. Now, there are five designated to potentially assist the half million Olympic visitors here. One of those on Sunday
morning, too, was under gunfight attack. Inside it was an alleged drug king pin known as Fats Family (ph), handcuffed to a stretcher. Twenty
masked men, apparently, went to the hospital to try to fight him out, successfully did. One person lost their life in this gunfire, and this is
hospital closest to the stadium where the opening Olympic ceremony will be.
So, great concerns about that particular level of criminality as well, Becky.
[11:11:09] ANDERSON: Nick Paton Walsh is in Rio. Nick, thank you.
Well, to some of the other stories on our radar today. And the Bahraini government has stripped the country's top Shiite cleric of his
citizenship. The government blamed Sheikh Isa Qassim for, quote, creating an extremist sectarian environment. The United States says it is alarmed
by the decision.
Well, the Israeli soldiers say they mistakenly shot and killed a 15- year-old Palestinian boy in the West Bank. A spokesman for the Israeli defense forces says it was believed he was involved in an earlier stone
throwing incident. Six other Palestinians were injured in the shooting.
Jordan's King Abdullah is promising to hit back with an iron fist after a deadly attack near the Syrian border. A car bomb targeted a
military post outside a refugee camp killing six members of Jordan's security forces. The military says the attack was launched from Syria.
Well, here in London we are just two days away from a decision that could have ripple effects across the globe. Voters will choose whether to
stay in the European Union or go it alone.
Well, in just a few hours, the two sides will face off in the final debate of the campaign. In the remain corner, London mayor Sadiq Kahn; and
for the leave camp, his predecessor, former London mayor, Boris Johnson.
Prime Minister David Cameron spoke earlier. He urged the British people to vote remain in a speech outside 10 Downing Street.
Well, I'm joined now by CNN's international diplomatic editor Nic Robertson.
And after the weekend suspension of campaigns, Nic, both camps back in action in a race that -- and forgive the cliche -- really is too close to
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It's statistically too close to call. About 10 percent of people are still undecided, which
is why I think you see David Cameron coming out of 10 Downing Street today. Hastily called press conference. Really, this was to get on the map again,
on the agenda. He says it is his responsibility. He feels as the leader of the country, to set out for people what's at stake. He wouldn't feel
right if he didn't do that. We saw him at a BMW factory yesterday doing the same thing, saying pretty much the same things. We saw him on a
question debate panel live on television late Sunday night saying the same things.
But I think one of the things he picked up on from his debate on Sunday night was the message he got in a very tough altercation with one of
the questioners, but he said, look, we Brits fight. We should stay inside the European Union and fight for what we want.
I think that's the message that he finds is resonating, that's the one that he spoke about today. Listen, this is what he said.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DAVID CAMERON, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: Brits don't quit. We get involved. We take a lead. We make a difference. We get things done. If
we left, if we left, our neighbors would go on meeting and making decisions that profoundly affect us, affect our country, affect our jobs, but we
wouldn't be there. They would be making decisions about us but without us.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANDERSON: Go on, Nic.
ROBERTSON: No, I was going to say security and the economy are the two big themes he's been hitting on all the way through the campaign --
economy in there again. But he did talk about the security issue. And I think that perhaps he's beginning to think he needs to focus on that a
ANDERSON: We know that this has been a deeply polarizing campaign and debate. And at the 11th hour, some fairly big -- certainly well-known
names throwing their weight behind both camps.
Who are we hearing from at this point?
ROBERTSON: David Beckham today, beloved by the nation in so many quarters for so many reasons, you know, talked to many footballing dads
around this country. They like Beckham for what he's putting back into football at the junior level.
So there's a respect there that goes beyond just the goals that he's scored and the caps that he's had for England. But his wife came under --
found herself in an awkward position today. The leave campaign are taking quotes she had made 20 years ago saying that she thought that kings head,
the queen's head should be on the British coin. That was taken by the leave campaign to say that hte Beckham's support leave.
She said absolutely not. These were taken different time, different place. Their sentiments, and David Beckham put the sentiments out there
today, you know, we need to do this, we need to think of our children in the future, their children in the future. We're an ever more connected
world. And that's the future that he sees. And that's why he's putting his support with the remain camp.
Now, look, he may not swing over a million people. questioned whether this meant she think they should leave and she said absolutely not.
He may not swing over a million people, he may not swing over a hundred thousand, but right now too close to call. Every vote counts.
This is not like where you vote for an MP and if you lose, then your vote just goes in the bin. It's the other side that wins. No, every vote
counts this time.
So Beckham's contribution will be keenly championed by the remain campaign.
ANDERSON: Yeah, fascinating. All right, two days to go. Busy times, it has to be said, here in the UK, which is one of the reasons that we are
here this week and broadcasting with my colleagues here as we watch this develop.
An incredibly important story, not just to the UK, but to Europe and the rest of the world. Separated by a common language, Brexit is the talk
of the town here in London, but in New York it's not exactly translating so well. The view from there and from the Middle East up next.
ANDERSON: You are watching CNN. This is Connect the World. I'm Becky Anderson. And as our regular viewers know, we normally bring you
this show from Abu Dhabi, but this week I am here in the UK because in just two days' time, voters across this country will make a monumental choice,
whether to stay in or jump out of the European Union.
And as you can see, in the grand scheme of things, Britain, well, it is just a pretty small island.
So while a possible Brexit has got world leaders and global markets wound up, our Clare Sebastian went to find out how ordinary folk in New
York feel about all the fuss.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Brexit? It sounds like a store.
CLARE SEBASTIAN, CNN MONEY: In the business capital of the world, New York City...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have no idea.
SEBASTIAN: There's some confusion around the word Brexit.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I thought it was like a breath mint or something.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't know. A watch company?
SEBASTIAN: It's actually a British exit from the European Union.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
SEBASTIAN: Do you think that's something you should care about?
UINIDENTIFIED MALE: No.
SEBASTIAN: The message on Wall Street, it's time to start caring.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It absolutely will have an impact on American's 401(k)s and their other investments.
SEBASTIAN: The threat of Brexit is already having an impact. It's one of the reasons for current market volatility...
[11:20:02] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is definitely fear.
SEBASTIAN: Even a fed rate rise on hold.
JESSICAN YELLIN, FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN: It was one of the factors.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a tsunami. This is China melting down. This is Lehman going out of business, in my opinion.
SEBASTIAN: It's not the first dire warning. The U.S. president has said trade with the UK
could suffer. Last year, that was worth last year $56 billion to U.S. businesses.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Our focus in negotiating with
a big bloc of the European Union to get a big trade agreement done. And the UK is going to be in the back of the queue.
SEBASTIAN: The more optimistic in New York's banking community say that is premature.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're not going to turn around to the UK and say you can't bring Jaguars in. So, what we're going to do is extend out any
trade relationships until we figure out a new work out process.
SEBASTIAN: 3,500 miles from the UK, it is hard to imagine what Brexit would feel like. One U.S. talk show host used another British export to
SETH MEYERS, LATE NIGHT TALK SHOW HOST: Look at it this way. When Zane left One Direction was okay, but if Harry leaves, that's it, it's
SEBASTIAN: That warning still lost on some New Yorkers.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALEl: Like a word scramble thing?
SEBASTIAN: A word scramble for sure, an economic scramble for the U.S., well, it depends who you ask.
Clare Sebastian, CNN Money, new York.
ANDERSON: Well, one interview, then, from the United States. I'm going to get you the perspective now from the Middle East. And let's cross
to Abu Dhabi to speak to Tom Fletcher, a former British ambassador to Lebanon who also recently wrote this book, "Naked Diplomacy" making him the
You are now suitably attired for TV, I see, and I'm grateful for that, sir.
We're going to your 21st century take on her majesty's service in a moment. First, let's do Brexit. What would a Brexit mean for the Middle
East and its investors?
TOM FLETCHER, FRM. BRITISH AMBASSADOR TO LEBANON: Well, I think a lot of people here recognize that there's a vibrant debate going on. And they
respect that. And it's been pretty bruising. It's been a tough few months, but it's been very healthy that we've been able to have this debate
about our own future. And I think many people in this region would relish a similar debate.
But, look, the thing is on Friday morning whatever happens in the referendum, we'll still -- our role as a major world power is not on the
ballot paper. And we'll still be spending 2 percent of our budget on defense. We'll still be one of the few countries in the world spending 0.7
percen on development and we'll still be sat there as a member, a permanent member and an active member of the UN Security Council.
So, there's a lot of life will carry on.
ANDERSON: Tell me -- Forbes writing an article about the potential for a Brexit and its effect on the region that you are in wrote this: "the
long-running negotiations between the EU and the GCC, the Gulf states, have been bedeviled by European concerns over human rights, which the Gulf
governments, it says, have balked at, including in any deal.
Now, that would suggest better business with Britain's friends in the Gulf at least were the UK
to cut a deal that had fewer caveats, not that I'm suggesting the UK has looser ethics, would you agree with that?
FLETCHER: I think, you know, those concerns over human rights are European concerns but they're also very strongly British concerns and they
won't go away as a result of the referendum.
And I think many countries in region will hope that there would be a simplier way of doing business with us, but whatever the result on
Thursday, we are still going to be this major trading nation and we're still going to have some of the most powerful, creative industries in the
world. We're still going to have this fantastic soft power offered to the world around The Premiership, the royal family,
arts and culture and music.
And so I think, you know, I think both sides in this debate have been strongest when they've made the case on the basis of Britain's positive
role in the world and have not made the case on the basis of a retreat.
ANDERSON: Mr. Ambassador, let us discuss naked diplomacy and discuss why you believe, "abandoning the banquet in favor of a smart phone," end
quote, is the recipe for success in 21st Century foreign policy.
For our viewers' sake a quote from your newly published book, and I quote, "increasingly it matters less what a prime minister or diplomat says
is our policy on an issue, it matters what the users of Google, Facebook and Twitter decide that it is."
You seem to suggest a war for our minds. The internet, the battlefield pointing to ISIS propaganda videos as just one example. But
surely in the end ISIS losing territory on the run is what matters most. Bullets beats tweets or likes every time, sir.
Are you overestimating the role of the internet here?
FLETCHER: Well, I completely agree that what is really important is denying ISIS physical space on the ground, winning that real battle. But
there is also a battle over ideas. And there is a huge group of people in the Middle East who are making their minds up at the moment about Islamic
State and we have to be out there winning that argument with them.
And this is one of the reasons I worry about the rhetoric, particularly in America at the moment, around building bigger walls,
because it switches off that large group of people whose partnership we need if we're going to survive the next century together.
ANDERSON: You're coming to us from the Middle East of course, a region where diplomats are busy, sadly a little too busy sometimes, coping
with crises. The Iran nuclear deal was a result of massive diplomacy. And if we are ever to solve Syria's problems and end five years of crippling
civil war, it's probably going to take a stroke of diplomatic genius.
So social media users won't be doing that, it will be diplomats secreted away in quiet rooms. Are you in this book and telling me today
that you suggest the diplomat is dead?
FLETCHER: No. I mean, quite the opposite in fact, Becky. I mean, I think the Iran nuclear deal is a classic example of an old style
negotiation and it worked very, very well for the fact that it was held mainly in secret, and that the John Kerry and foreign minister Zarif
weren't live tweeting every element of that negotiation.
But I'm talking about is this enormous smartphone super power we have now as diplomats but also as people beyond diplomacy to engage with
populations on an unprecedented scale. And we're only just at the beginning of understanding the power that gives us, but also the
responsibility that gives us to be in those difficult arguments, not just with the elites in the country, the 20 key people in the country, but with
the population at large. And that's what I was trying to do in Lebanon. It allowed us to reach people that we would never otherwise have reached.
ANDERSON: Tom, it's been a pleasure to speak with you. Your book is a great read, "Naked Diplomacy" and on the back GQ quoted here as saying
where most political figures are careful to the point of anodyne, Fletcher is refreshingly frank."
Fabulous. Thank you, sir.
The latest world news headlines are just ahead. Plus, Donald Trump says it was time to take his campaign in a different direction. We'll have
all the fallout from the firing of his controversial campaign manager coming up.
[11:1:16] ANDERSON: Well, let's get to you the race for the White House now. And Hillary Clinton is expected to speak any moment now on her
plans for the U.S. economy and how they differ from those of her presumed presidential rival, Donald Trump.
You are looking at live pictures of crowds gathered in Columbus, Ohio. They are getting seats to what Clinton's campaign says will be a scathing
takedown of Trump. Clinton plans to paint the billionaire businessman as a danger to the economy, and we'll get to that
when she starts.
The hits just keep coming for the presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump right after he fired his campaign manager in a major shake-up.
New documents were released showing that he is facing an extraordinary money gap with Clinton.
While her campaign had $42 million in the bank as of May 31st, Trump's campaign had barely over a million. You'd think, though, that the
billionaire might be able to bridge that gap with one check.
Well, Trump is trying to reset his campaign with a big change at the top. CNN's Dana Bash talked with his fired campaign manager, Corey
DANA BASH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Why were you fired?
COREY LEWANDOWSKI, FRM. TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANGER: I don't know. I don't know the answer to that.
BASH: But the answer, according to multiple GOP sources, is Donald Trump's lagging poll numbers, lack of campaign infrastructure, plus heated
power struggles, which all lead Trump's family to say enough.
Sources who I've talked to and others I've talked to said that they described you as a hot head
and that you just didn't treat people right. What do you say to that?
LEWANDOWSKI: Look, I think I'm a very intense person and my expectation is perfection
because I think that's what Mr. Trump deserves.
I had a nice conversation with Mr. Trump. And I said to him it's been an honor and privilege to be part of this and I mean that from the bottom
of my heart.
BASH: CNN was told Trump watched Lewandowski's interview as it happened live a few hours after he was fired. Trump later expressed his
appreciation as he talked about moving on.
TRUMP: He's a good man. We have had great success. He's a friend of mine. But I think it's time now for a different kind of campaign.
BASH: That different kind of campaign is one with Paul Manafort, Lewandowski's nemesis now firmly at the helm. CNN is told that internally,
Manafort's mantra is that Trump must act more presidential while Lewandowski kept saying let Trump be Trump.
Sources from -- from in and around the campaign have told us that they thought that you were feeding Mr. Trump's worst instincts.
If there's a plan in place post primary now that he's trying to pivot to the general, is in the general, that you would get on the plan with him
and undercut that plan and bring out his worst instincts. How do you respond to that?
LEWANDOWSKI: I say what best interests would I have in doing that?
BASH: The suggestion is it's just -- it's who you are.
LEWANDOWSKI: But look, if Donald Trump wins, that's good for Corey Lewandowski and it's good for the country.
BASH: Lewandowski made clear to CNN he supported Trump's controversial response to the Orlando shooting...
TRUMP: And goes boom, boom.
BASH: And disparaging a judge presiding over a fraud case involving Trump University.
TRUMP: This judge is of Mexican heritage. I'm building a wall, okay.
BASH: The question now was whether Trump will tone down his rhetoric with his like-minded campaign manager out.
CNN is told it was that plus concerns about anemic fund-raising and basic campaign structure that alarmed Trump's children.
TRUMP: My boys, Eric and Don, they've been working so hard. Ivanka and Jared have been amazing.
BASH: And they all played an instrumental role in ousting Lewandowski, especially daughter
Ivanka and son-in-law Jared Kushner, a real estate whiz and publisher.
Can you tell us about your relationship with him?
[11:35:10] LEWANDOWSKI: I've had a great relationship with Jared. He's helped us from the onset of having a better online presence, being
aggressive in a good way. He understands a different component than I understand.
BASH: CNN is told Kushner will now be even more influential in trying to right the Trump campaign ship.
ANDERSON: Well, Trump may be facing a variety of troubles, but in politics the only opinion
that really matters comes from the voters. And we are seeing Trump actually narrow the gap against Clinton in a new national poll.
Look at these numbers, the CNN/ORC poll finds Clinton leading Trump by 5 percentage points among registered voters nationwide. Other recent polls
show Trump lagging by double digits.
Well, the presumptive Republican nominee is meeting behind doors with Christian leaders in New York. CNN's Jeremy Diamond is outside the hotel
where they are meeting.
And Jeremy, Trump suggesting that the sacking of Lewandowski was because this is, quite frankly, as he says time for a different type of
campaign. Is this a man who is on the front or back foot at this point?
JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Trump, you know, today suggested that he's not going to change so much with Corey Lewandowski out, you know.
There were a lot of questions and concerns, especially among establishment Republicans, that Corey
Lewandowski was, as Dana asked Corey in her question, feeding Donald Trump's worst instincts.
But Donald Trump this morning saying, you know, just because Corey is gone, that doesn't mean he's going to change, that he thinks that he needs
to stay true to who he is and that involves the controversial statements and sometimes outrageous proposals. So, I don't think that we're going to
see Donald Trump ditching those any time soon.
But certainly with Corey Lewandowski out now, there is going to be a much more unified campaign, at least internally. There had been a lot of
strife and power struggles between two camps: Corey Lewandowski, the former campaign manager now, and Paul Manafort, the campaign chairman who really
has called for a much more traditional campaign, one that would focus much more spending television money on television advertising and spending more
money on the ground as well as staffing up.
So, I think certainly we're going to see the campaign move much more in the direction of a more traditional campaign, but certainly it won't be
the kind of traditional campaign we've seen in past election cycles.
ANDERSON: Well, the problem with that is it costs money, doesn't it, to book ads. I know he says he has a lot of money. He says he's a multi-
billionaire, but he hasn't got a lot of money in the bank when it comes to this campaign. How is he going to beef that up?
DIAMOND: That's right.
Well, Donald Trump is really focusing now on fund-raising. You know, the fund-raising report that we just saw come out last night showed Donald
Trump with just $1.3 million cash on hand, raising just over $3 million in the month of May. But that was when Donald Trump
was really just beginning to ramp up his campaign infrastructure. You know, he did not have a fund-raising team to speak of before he clinched
the nomination on May 3, so that month is really reflective of the very beginnings of that.
But still there have been concerns about his fund-raising in the time since then. His campaign -- you know, donors to his campaign, in
particular, have said that, you know, there has not been the kind of fund- raising drive that they're used to seeing, particularly with Mitt Romney, who at this period in 2012, had raised tens of millions of dollars already
in just that month.
So, certainly we're seeing differences as far as that. But Donald Trump sending out a fund-raising email just a couple of hours ago saying
that he needs donors. He needs donations to his campaign. And he's willing to match the donations in the next 48 hours to his campaign
personally up to $2 million.
So, he's clearly showing that he's still willing to spend a lot of his own money, but he spent $55 million in the primaries, that's not going to
do it for the general election.
ANDRESON: Thank you, sir.
While Republicans are warring over Trump, Democrats have largely been focused -- or able to focus, at least, on the general election. CNN senior
political reporter Stephen Collinson has more from that side of the race. He is with us from Washington today. As we await
what is flagged a significant speech on the economy by Hillary Clinton. We've been talking about these campaigns and who has the upper hand when it
comes to cash, et cetera.
How well is Hillary Clinton doing in garnering support, financial support, for her campaign?
STEPHEN COLLINSON, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Becky.
Well, Hillary Clinton is doing a lot better than Donald Trump. She raised over $42 million in
that period in which we're talking about Donald Trump barely raising a million. I think what we're seeing here is the clash between a Clinton
political machine on fundraising, organization in key states, and in attacking Donald Trump with the use of significant political figures, not
just Hillary Clinton, but President Barack Obama and Joe Biden. And a Donald Trump campaign, which is very inexperienced. It doesn't have that
kind of organizational or fundraising infrastructure and doesn't have so far, at least, the heavy hitter Republicans that can respond to Hillary
So I think there's a case to be made that Donald Trump since becoming the presumptive Republican nominee has squandered really the first month or
so of this campaign at a time when Hillary Clinton was still trying to deal with her democratic primary rival Bernie Sanders.
So, he's digging a bit of a hole for himself right now.
ANDERSON: Yeah, but then nothing's normal in this campaign. So, I guess we should wait to see what happens next.
But you make some very good points there.
We are waiting to hear from Hillary Clinton, her campaign there getting ready in Ohio for her to get to the stage.
I'm wondering how she will respond to or be impacted by the most recent polls showing the
narrowing in the race were it to be between Trump and Clinton in the race for the White House.
COLLINSON: I think if you talked to Clinton campaign people, Becky, they don't really take an awful lot of notice of these national polls at
this point. They expect we're going to see a fairly close race. Historically over the last few elections, we've seen 4 percent or 5 percent
gaps between the candidates. In the last two elections, it was in the favor of the Democrats.
So they're expecting a close race. This is a very divided country politically. It's going to be in the end I think a case of which candidate
best gets the most number of their base voters enthusiastic and to the polls.
You know, it used to be the case in U.S. elections you had to win over the center ground, the sort of middle of the road voters. There are fewer
and fewer of these those days. This is a very polarized country, as I said. So, I don't think they're going to be looking at these polls and
thinking either, you know, we're 8 percent ahead in Florida or we're tied with Trump in another swing state, Pennsylvania. They're expecting a close
race. And in those close races, if you can swing those swing states by 1 percent or 2 percent because you've got more money to advertise, you can
identify your voters better, because you've got a better infrastructure, that's what wins these elections.
ANDERSON: We've heard so much from these candidates over the primary and caucuses period. I'm just wondering at this stage, Stephen, what our
viewers, our international viewers who may be much better equipped to deal with this American election this year than perhaps in others because, you
know, they'll have been keeping up to date with us on it, what more can we expect now to hear from these candidates that will differentiate them from
COLLINSON: I think we already know that we're going to see a very ugly, negative campaign. Both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are very
unpopular. In fact, they're the two most unpopular presidential nominees in recent history, as long as anyone can remember back in fact. So that a
recipe for a very negative campaign. It's going to be about disqualifying the other candidate, rather than necessarily convincing many voters who
are undecided to swing either one way or the other. That's why this speech today with Hillary Clinton is very important. She's going to portray
Donald Trump as dangerous on national security -- on the economy, as she portrayed him as
dangerous on national security in that speech you remember a few weeks ago.
So she's trying to disqualify Donald Trump from the very idea that he could be president, either to keep the country safe or to key the economy
safe. She's going to say that he is not this great businessman that he makes out, that in fact he's little more than a con man who has run many
businesses into the ground and will do exactly the same with a U.S. economy and ultimately the world economy.
So, it's all about now who is qualified to sit in the oval office and which candidate can disqualify the other more quickly.
ANDERSON: Your senior reporter for CNN Politics, Stephen Collinson joining us tonight out of Washington. Thank you.
And we will, viewers, continue to monitor what is going on in Ohio and as soon as Hillary Clinton starts speaking, we will get you to that.
Right, it's a key battleground against ISIS. I'm talking about Mosul, Iraq's second largest city. It fell to the terror group about two years
ago along with other cities. Since then, the Iraqi army has been reorganized and retrained. It recaptured Tikrit and Ramadi and just
days ago, the government declared Fallujah liberated despite some pockets of resistance.
Well, CNN's Ben Wedeman has been to Fallujah and tells us about the road ahead tothe biggest fight of all in Mosul.
And we'll look at the biggest fight ahead in mosul.
BEN WEDEMAN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: On the road to Baghdad, Iraqi armed forces assemble for the next battle in the war against ISIS.
This massive military column, I counted more than 250 vehicles, is headed north. It's headed to the province where Mosul is located. Now,
even though the battle of Fallujah is still raging, what clear is that the Iraqi army is preparing for the next phase, the last phase of this war in
Iraq -- the liberation of Mosul.
Two years ago this army was in full retreat, driven out of Mosul by ISIS. It lost one city after another and was on the verge of total
collapse. Today, the tide appears to have turned. The government has taken back Tikrit and Ramadi and is fighting to drive the extremists out of
"With this army," says Defense Minister Khaled al-Obaidi, "we'll wipe ISIS out. God willing this is the beginning of the end of ISIS in Iraq."
The convoy passed through Tikrit until just over a year ago the city was under ISIS control. The brutal former masters of the city now
"There are all rats and dogs," Housam (ph), a Tikrit resident, tells me.
It took well over an hour for all the vehicles to rumble through Tikrit. The battle for Mosul won't be easy and it won't be brief, perhaps
the cheering is premature.
Ben Wedeman, CNN, Tikrit, Iraq.
ANDERSON: We're going to take a very short break for you at this point. Back after this.
JOHN DEFTERIOS: It may not look like much from the outside, but this former power station in midtown Manhattan is home to a world famous
recording studio responsible for a string of albums.
Madonna's "Like a Virgin" was made here more than 30 years ago.
Today, the exact room where the recording took place is little changed, but the studio itself
now has an uncertain future.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's really a one of a kind building that houses a one of a kind studio. If this building goes away
for whatever reason, it's irreplaceable really, and that would be a real shame.
DEFTERIOS: After 20 years running the studio, Kirk Imamora (ph) and his wife have put the building on the market, hoping to sell to someone who
will preserve its legacy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So this is our big room, studio a. And as you walk in, you can see that, first of all, it's a unique design. It's kind
of a dome shaped design.
DEFTERIOS: It happens to be the studio of choice for one Bruce Springsteen.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: during the day, we would record jingles or music for advertising. Bruce Springsteen and other rock bands would come in
around midnight and work through until the morning. And so that's what he did for consecutive nights recording The River.
[11:50:17] DEFTERIOS: Neil Young, BB King and John Mayer have recorded here in recent years.
But the business has changed. The digital era means more artists record at home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sony Music Studios used to be next door. They're now condos. There used to be a studio called Hit Factory one block over.
They're condos. You know, there used to be a lot of studios here, but they're all pretty much gone. We're probably the only one standing here.
DEFTERIOS: The couple bought the building in 1996 for $5.3 million, or nearly $1,900 per square meter. Imamura (ph) won't reveal his exact
market price but says a New York Times valuation of $27 million is close.
They may, however, entertain lower offers for a buyer in the music industry.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think that it's my job to find someone who can keep the studio.
DEFTERIOS: The couple emphasizes the studio remains a profitable business, catering to
the top 5 percent of artists, while expanding into movie and Broadway soundtracks.
All are hoping a change in ownership won't stop the music.
John Defterios, One Square Meter, CNN.
ANDERSON: Right. In today's Parting Shots for you, Picasso's line the walls of art galleries the world over from the Museum of Modern Art in
New York to the Tate Modern here in London. And today, one of the artists boasts seminal works goes up for auction. Femme Sisi (ph), or Sitting
Woman, is one of the earliest of his cubist paintings. It's expected to sell upwards of $45 million, a bargain, though, compared to some of his
In 2015, this painting, a version of Glisand Algiers (ph) sold for just under $180 million. Get this, two years earlier, The Reve, The Dream
sold for $155 million.
And this "Nude Green Leaves and Bust" sold for more than $106 million in 2010; at the time, a
record price for any single work of art.
Well, Picasso surely one of the greatest artists ever to have lived, but fast forward a bit right here in London, there is a new installation at
the royal Botanical Gardens, it's called The Hive. And it's controlled by a real bee hive. It's meant to get you thinking about the threats that
Well, for more on that story and the others, my team is working on, buzz over to our Facebook page, Facebook.com/CNNconnect
Well, it's a complex issue with monumental consequences that could affect generations to come. Before we close out then tonight, let me
remind you we've been trying our best to explain Brexit and its ramifications over the past few months, but sometimes less is more.
Listen to how British kids describe what is this week's historic referendum.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you know what Brexit is?
BOY: I'm not really sure.
GIRL: It's like British exit?
[11:50:04] BOY: I think the people are going to have a vote to see whether we're going to get out of EU
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why do you think Britain might want to leave the EU?
BOY: We should let people come in, because then Britain would be more multi-cultural.
BOY: We want to be an independent country.
GIRL; People could argue we have our own parliament, we have our own government and that's been set up to decide our own laws.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How do you think a Brexit would affect you?
BOY: It might affect my holiday.
GIRL: Because now you can book a ticket and start packing.
BOY: You'd need to get a visa and everything.
BOY: I think the main reason it will affect me and Joe is in sports.
BOY: Maybe there's another country that might want to accept other players inside the EU.
GIRL: I know lots of people who come from different countries. I wouldn't, you know, want to leave any of them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So should we stay or should we go?
BOY: At the moment we can trade freely inside the EU.
GIRL: I think our economy might suffer a little if we did leave.
BOY: In the EU, we have the protection of all the other countries in the EU.
GIRL: Also, we'd be really unpopular if we left.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, brilliant.
GIRL: No, thanks.
ANDERSON: Easy when it's explained like that, isn't it?
Well, Hillary Clinton expected to speak shortly on her plans for the U.S. economy and how they differ from those of her presumed presidential
rival Donald Trump.
These are live pictures of crowds gathered to hear her in Columbus, in Ohio. And we'll listen to her when she speaks obviously and we will be
there on CNN. So don't go away.
For the time being, that's it for our show at least. CNN continues. I'm Becky Anderson.