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Eu Ministers Met Earlier Today In Berlin, To Discuss The Terms Of The So-Called Brexit; Rain Has Finally Stopped In West Virginia, But Rescues Are Still Underway At This Hour, After Record Flooding Left At Least 26 People Dead; Donald Trump, Well, He Remains In Scotland Today; At Least 15 People Are Dead And 25 Others Injured After A Car And A Suicide Bombing Take Place At A Hotel In The Capital City Of Mogadishu; Media Mogul Rupert Murdoch And Real Estate Mogul Donald Trump Now Turned Presidential Candidate Are Having Dinner Tonight, In Scotland. Aired 3-4p ET

Aired June 25, 2016 - 15:00   ET

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[15:00:11] SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN HOST: It's 3:00 eastern time. You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Suzanne Malveaux in for Poppy Harlow.

The world's most complicated divorce is getting messier by the hour. Britain's vote to ditch the European Union is now churning harsh words, bitter feelings on both sides. And it is pace of this unprecedented breakup that is becoming a major problem. After a crucial meeting today in Brussels, the EU president says he wants the split to happen immediately. Yet Britain has signaled it will wait until October before even starting these negotiations.

Many people in the UK, they are now voicing doubt over the referendum outcome, feelings of regret, if you will. An online petition with more than two million signatures now calling for a second referendum on EU membership. This, as political parties and other European nations drop hints about possibly following Britain's lead. The Brexit fallout creating global upheaval with serious concerns about the world economy, and safety, from terror threats.

I want to go to our reporters out in the field. First, senior international correspondent Nima Elbagir in London, and international correspondent David McKenzie in Scotland.

So Nima, first of all, give us a sense of the mood today. I mean, the fallout over this historic, historic exit?

NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Someone rather memorably described it to me you Suzanne as the nation waking up with a hangover on Friday morning. You know, you had the Euphoria, you had the unexpectedness of this and even many of those who voted to leave are now saying, well, actually, we didn't realize what it would entail. We didn't actually believe that ramifications of this would be as drastic. And, in fact, one newspaper here in the UK, "the Daily Mail," put up an article explaining this is what Brexit means. And you know, those are slew of hundreds of comments already under this article saying, you didn't explain it this well before. I don't want to do this. I don't want to -- I want do-over.

Then you have leading politicians who were visibly part of the leave campaign now saying that the former Defense Minister Liam Fox saying that now is the time for national reflection. And what we are hearing from the European Union is, no, it's not. The time for national reflection was before you chose to split with the EU.

The issue here, of course, is that the treaty that founded the EU, the Lisbon treaty, was worded in a way that meant to make it as difficult as possible to leave. So article 50 is incredibly, incredibly complicated. So even if Britain wasn't suffering from a sense of national remorse, it would still be very complicated, and could take at least two years. And you have already seen the turmoil this has brought on the stock exchange in the U.S. and around the world. The expectation is that there is more still to come unfortunately - Suzanne.

MALVAUEX: David, you are in Scotland now which voted overwhelmingly to remain with the EU. And now we're hearing that Scotland leader says its likely going to seek independence from the UK. So give us a sense of what is next here? Because they tried to split from the UK once before. It actually failed. Is it more likely now to succeed?

DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. I think there is a general sense on the street here, Suzanne, that people are both angry and also feel that they want their democratic rights respected, and that certainly is the perspective of the government. The first minister, Nicola Sturgeon saying that Scotland's voice needs to be heard. They overwhelmingly voted to stay in the European Union in Scotland by more than 24 percent. And so they say they shouldn't be dragged along with England out of the EU. And I spoke to some people here on the streets of Edinboro.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don't want a split from the union. We have no choice. So I'm not being biased here. It's all in good English.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm worried because I just heard that my grandson wanted to travel to Wales and talked to people that travel to wales.

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MCKENZIE: So a lot of fear. And also as Nima said, a lot of confusion about what comes next, because it's unclear whether even a referendum here in Scotland to become independent automatically mean they would join the European Union. And then certainly, Suzanne, that was the threat last time around there was a referendum. That if they broke away they would have to go through the same process of anyone else.

But the game has changed here. And so there is a sense of maybe this could be a part to play. They are also asking to directly meet with European Union diplomats in Edinboro in the next few days to try to hash out perhaps some kind of plan for Scotland to remain in the EU, but it could mean the United Kingdom as a whole breaking up -- Suzanne.

[15:05:00] MALVAUEX: Yes. Certainly a lot to hash out there.

Nima and David, thank you so much. Appreciate it.

Britain's decision to leave the European Union is igniting new security concern, of course, across the Atlantic. As America's closest ally, Britain provides crucial information to U.S. intelligence agencies about the inner workings of the EU. And that information pipeline is going to be lost once Britain leaves.

And I want to talk that over with our global affairs analyst Kim Dozier, a "Daily Beast" contributing writer.

And Kim, thanks for being with us. I know this is really your expertise. So first of all, tell us, what is the number one security concern that they have now that they are going to see that the exit will actually happen, even if it happens over the course of two years?

KIMBERLY DOZIER, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: An eventual lack of big data, that is one of the things that two of the top British former intelligence chiefs of MI-5 and MI-6 had complained in the run-up to this Brexit vote. They said right now the European Union shares a lot of big data on the passage of refugees, criminal networks, and that the U.S. and the UK, well, at least the UK is able to crunch that, and then possibly share any pertinent information. Or at the very least, because it does get sticky with, you can't pass on always information that you get from one ally to another ally, but at least the U.S. knew that they had somebody that they could count on who had access to this information about what was going on within Europe's borders and was keeping an eye on it.

MALVAUEX: And, Kim, you know, I covered President Bush for many years and attended many EU conferences as I'm sure you did as well. And one of the things that former President Bush did was that he was pushing those eastern European countries to join the EU, to provide that economic and national security to those countries but they also acted as a buffer, if you will, to Russia's power. I mean, I am assuming here that that might be compromised if you got Russia's president Vladimir Putin praising what has happened now and potentially in a position to take a more aggressive stance in Europe now that one of our key allies is gone?

DOZIER: Absolutely. Britain was one of the sort of few strong nations within the European Union that could help stiffen the spine of some of those eastern European nations as they were bullied by their next door neighbor, Russia. And we have seen an upsurge in some of that bullying behavior in the form of propaganda, rhetoric that gets pumped in from next door. So the worry is that not right away, but eventually, the EU will bow to some of Russia's demands. Such as lifting some of the sanctions against Russia that have been imposed over its invasion of Ukraine

MALVAUEX: And also, Kim, some are worrying that the UK's decision to leave is going to trigger a domino effect that we have already started to see moves from other countries. That France might decide that it's going to ditch the EU. That you're going to have a whole kind of host of changes in the area as well. Perhaps Spain taking back to (INAUDIBLE), maybe even a union, if you will, of Ireland. How do you see it playing out?

DOZIER: I have actually spoken to European diplomats who are quite concerned about this. They say that even if a place like France doesn't vote to leave the European Union, just having the vote itself will break open this divide between those who want to be part of the EU and those who are tired of having immigrants come in from the outside. It means that across the European Union, they will be busy dealing with this subject as opposed to dealing with things like how to fix the economy. What you do with the refugee influx that you have got coming your way, and how to deal with the terrorist threat from ISIS.

MALVAUEX: Kim, as always, some excellent analysis. Really appreciate it. Thank you, Kim Dozier.

I want to bring in our national security analyst Juliette Kayyem, former homeland security assistant secretary.

And Juliette, you are right there, and I want to play this for the audience, the idea a Brexit victory will somehow lower the terror threat or lessen the refugee crisis is madness. It will open a new host of questions in how intelligence and safety efforts coordinate. So when you look at this, why do you think that's the case? I mean, what are you so concerned about when it comes to security?

JULIETTE KAYYEM, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Well, you know, just because Britain says it's going to leave the EU doesn't mean that people won't be moving around. We are still have access to Britain. So that the idea in the short term or even long term that the threat out there is going to be minimized is, as I say madness, because most of immigration to Britain is not of EU nationals. So the whole EU thing was just sort of a red herring.

But on a more tactical level which Kim was just addressing, there are, I can't even name them. There are hundreds of intelligence, law enforcement sort of MOUs and agreements, related to not just terrorism, but transnational threats, monetary investigations. You know, across the board that are essentially going to have to be renegotiated. And it's not that it can't be done. It's just in the middle of a, of a heightened threat level, is that exactly how you want to spend your time.

[15:10:16] MALVAUEX: And Juliette, what do you think will be the direction here? You talk about a lot of people were worried about the immigration, the influx of many migrants. How is it going to disrupt things and perhaps cripple the country?

KAYYEM: Well, so I actually think there is the Brexit that everyone voted for, and then there's the Brexit that people are going to realize is unsustainable. And that, you know, in my field, I don't do the economic side. I do the national security side. So one thing is right, this British nationals are going to soon realize that that easy access , they had on travel, not just in Europe but with the United States, because, remember, we have agreement with the EU in terms of travel, is -- if Brussels is going to play hardball, is going to end.

So just on every single level there's going to be an impact for the average Brit. And so I think they will begin to interpret Brexit, depending how it unfolds in the next couple of years differently than maybe what they voted for. But I want to, you know, just remind people. The EU was not about monetary stability. It began as a security and stability enterprise after not just two world wars, but thousands of years of European fighting. It has been a good experiment, and so those of us in national security are a little bit nervous about what is going on, not just because of the tactical issues I was just talking about but because of what the EU meant for stability. It doesn't mean world peace. It just means stability.

MALVAUEX: Sure. That's right, Juliette. I mean, I think there are a lot of side bar conversations that the president's had with other world leaders. And that mostly does the elite security as well as economics, which a lot of people are not, are not really talking about all that much.

Juliette Kayyem, thank you so much. Appreciate your perspective.

Ahead in the NEWSROOM, there is deadly weather. Dangerous floodwaters claiming the lives of 23 people, at least 23 people in West Virginia. Out west, hot, windy conditions fueling fast-moving wildfires. What are the residents thinking, and what can they expect in the hours and the days to come?

Plus, as Brexit tops headlines, Donald Trump is defending his trip to Scotland to promote his golf courses. We are going to take you there live.

And later, power of the press. Will British tabloids, are know now for their eye-catching headlines, as they always have, but could they actually have impacted the outcome of the UK vote? We are going to discuss that as well.

You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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[15:15:57] MALVAUEX: Breaking news right now from central West Virginia. This is where 23 people are confirmed dead from historic flooding.

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MALVAUEX: They are calling it a thousand year flood. Rivers there are out of their banks and flashed away homes and cars and people inside them, 44 counties now under a state of emergency this weekend with the National Guard troops, police, pulling people to safety. Getting medicine to those who need it and sadly, still finding the bodies of people overwhelmed by this rising water.

Our own Nick Valencia is staying on top of this from the West Virginia area.

And Nick, I understand - I mean, they are pulling out all the stops here but it is breaks records and hearts.

NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It is devastating. It is heartbreaking. It is all of these things. Earlier this year, we saw Louisiana partly. We saw Houston especially hard hit. But this seems to be the worst of it all. Nine inches in the worst hit parts of West Virginia. Rivers swelled to as high as 33 feet. Five hundred first responders are on the scene deployed to help families affected by what is being called a one in 1,000 year event.

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VALENCIA (voice-over): For the last two days, West Virginia has been pounded by heavy thunderstorms and massive flooding.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Guys, watch out.

VALENCIA: This house exploded into flames and floated down the river. This family picked through the smoldering remains of what was once their home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can't get the memories out of my head.

VALENCIA: Eye-popping currents ravaged the mountain state, leaving at least 26 dead on Saturday morning. A day before, 4-year-old Edward McMillian was playing behind his home when he was washed away by rapid floodwaters. His body was recovered from a nearby creek.

MELISSA SCARBERRY, EDWARD'S AUNT: This has been horrific. A nightmare. I mean, I -- there's no words can explain.

VALENCIA: It's being called a thousand-year flood. The high terrain along the rivers in the southeastern part of the state is only making problems worse.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you add nine inches of rain over just short period of time, in the mountains, it causes the waters to come up very rapidly.

VALENCIA: The rising waters took out bridges and broke barges loose.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Older people that's worked all their life for what they have got and in one day, it's all gone.

VALENCIA: Hundreds of first responders, including 200 National Guardsmen have been deployed to help families like this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And they said the last thing they knew was somebody threw her a rope and then they never heard anymore.

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VALENCIA: There are people that are still stranded. Water rescues currently underway. We have just a couple of hours ago, somebody from the department of emergency management there in West Virginia say 300 water rescues 150 currently going on. And that's not just the only problem. They also have electricity problems, 32,000 still without power - Suzanne.

MALVAUEX: And the death toll went down to that number?

VALENCIA: That number we just got in. You heard it before at 26 people. It's now at 23 people. So there is a little bit of correction there from the department of emergency management, 23 people. It is devastating.

MALVAUEX: All right. Thank you, Nick.

The opposite problem out west. Several wildfires are blazing out of control. This is across parts of Arizona, New Mexico and southern California. This is Curran County. This is where emergency crews, they are trying to contain a fast-moving fire already scorched more than 30,000 acres, and 100 buildings. At least two people confirmed dead from this fire.

I want to bring in our Allison Chinchar. She is our severe weather center and she is following this twin disasters, the wildfires out west and the devastating flooding in West Virginia.

ALLISON CHINCHAR, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Suzanne, there are two reasons why this flooding event was such a disaster. Number one, the amount of rain that came down. But the second is the topography of this area. Because that played a huge role in this flooding event.

First, you have all the rain that came down from the sky and fell into these valley communities. Then you had all of the rain that fell on top of the Appalachian Mountains that surround it that then flowed down into those very same valley towns. Essentially, giving them double the amount of rain. And it was a lot of rain out there.

Take a look at some of these rainfall totals. Maxwelton, Wes West Virginia, picking up over nine-and-a-half inches of rain. White Sulfur Springs picking up over nine inches. And if that town sounds familiar, that's where the famous PGA golf course greenbrier is located and that tournament is expected to start in just two weeks from now.

A wider perspective of all the rain. Again, here's Charleston, West Virginia for a reference point. Once you go east of that city, that's where really the bulk of the rain was located. Many areas picking up well over half foot of rain in 36 hours. Areas that would like to see the rain would be the southwest, where they are battling multiple fires right now. The one just north of Los Angeles burning 30,000 acres, only five percent contained, and weather is not helping that out. Same thing in Arizona. The only good news is the fire in New Mexico will actually get a little help from the weather in the coming days.

MALVAUEX: All right. Thank you, Allison. We are live in the CNN NEWSROOM.

President Obama on the campaign trail throwing some verbal punches against the GOP. You are going to hear what he said about the Republicans attempts to block gun control legislation. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[15:24:53] MALVAUEX: House Democrats promise the gun control debate will not go away while Congress is in recess. President Obama is not letting the topic drop either. There he is last night in Seattle. It is a fund-raiser for the governor of Washington. Here's what he said.

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[15:25:06] BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Think about what just happened in Orlando a few days ago. We can protect more of our, our kids, our people from the horrors of gun violence. Just a couple of weeks after the worst mass shooting in modern history, Republicans in the U.S. Senate blocked "any" new gun safety reforms. Republicans in the house wouldn't even allow a vote on them.

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MALVAUEX: All right. CNN correspondent Chris Frates joining us from Washington.

And, Chris, you and I both covered this in D.C. over the week here. The House Democrats holding that sit-in for more than a day on the house floor. Tell us about the return if they expect they're going to keep this momentum going when they return to the capital in July?

CHRIS FRATES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Suzanne, you're right about this, because they are planning on continue making noise about this issue. And you know, as you point out, there was a lot of sound this week. There is even some fury on the house floor. But when it was all over, nothing had really changed.

So here is how that all went down. Remember, the Senate debated measures to prevent suspected terrorists from buying guns and they tried to tighten up background checks. They had five different proposals including a bipartisan compromise. Those all failed.

Now on the house side of the capitol, the Republicans refused to bring up any kind of gun control measures whatsoever. That really infuriated house Democrats. They ended up staging a 25-hour sit-in on the house floor to roe protest the Republicans blocking any legislation moving forward, and that protest was led by John Lewis, who is famous for organizing those sit-ins during the civil rights movement at segregated lunch cotters. So he led the protests on the house floor and here's what he had to say.

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REP. JOHN LEWIS (D), GEORGIA: Do we have raw courage to make at least a down payment on any gun violence and murders. We can no longer wait. We can no longer be patient. So today we come to the well of the house to dramatize the need for action! Not next month! Not next year! But now! Today!

(END VIDEO CLIP) FRATES: Now, President Obama also weighed in on twitter saying "thank you, John Lewis, for leading on gun violence where we need it most." But Republican house speaker Paul Ryan, well he accused the Democrats are creating chaos and threatening democracy with what he called a political stunt,

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REP. PAUL RYAN (R), HOUSE SPEAKER: One of the things that makes our country strong is our institutions. No matter how bad things get in this country, we have a basic structure that ensures a functioning democracy. We can disagree on policy, but we do so within the bounds of order and respect for the system. Otherwise, it all falls apart.

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FRATES: Now, in the middle of the night the Republicans adjourned the house for a break that's going to last until July 5th. Democrats vowed to go home to their districts, continue this fight, and bring that energy back to Washington when they return after the recess, Suzanne.

MALVAUEX: All right. We'll see how it all shakes out after the weekend.

Thank you so much, Chris. Appreciate it.

Coming up, Donald Trump's Scottish tour is continuing. His comments on the Brexit and his VP pick are making headlines this weekend. We go live to Scotland, up next.

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[15:31:47] MALVAUEX: Donald Trump, he's in Scotland. His first trip overseas as the presumptive Republican nominee. But the main reason for his visit had little of anything to do with his candidacy. He is promoting his Scottish golf resorts. He has, though, taken time to respond to the UK's vote and to leave the EU and ugly aftermath on the world's market.

Well, Trump said among other things, the falling pound is good for his resorts. And that reaction has some asking if Trump could truly separate the presidency, if elected, from his business interests.

I want to go to our senior White House correspondent Jim Acosta who is in Aberdeen, Scotland, where Trump just finished giving a tour to reporters, a unique kid of tour.

Jim, we will talk about that in a little bit. But first of all, tell us how aware is Trump about the concerns about his reaction to the Brexit during this trip? Does he understand that there are some people who thought he really didn't quite understand or get it when he was sitting right there in the middle of what was happening?

JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Right. It's a good question, Suzanne. You know, this was an unusual day with Donald Trump during an unusual campaign. He took us on a tour of his golf course today and on several different holes here. He took questions from reporters. He was asked about the reaction in the markets. The markets tanked, as you know, yesterday, in response to what happened in the Brexit vote here in the UK. I asked Donald Trump about that, and he essentially said markets go up, markets go down and he feels like in the long run Britain will be OK. The world economy will be OK.

When he was, I asked this yesterday about the reaction in the markets, and he said, well, a falling pound means that more tourists will come to his golf course. More tourists will come to Britain. More people will put money into Britain.

Then he sort of back away from that a little bit and he says, well, I do well when the pound goes up, and when the pound goes down. On the other hand, Suzanne, he is talking about the political virtues of this Brexit vote. He is hoping that some of the same sentiments that drove voters to the polls here in the UK and deciding to leave the European Union will be the same kind of sentiments that drive voters to the polls back in the U.S. Voters who are concerned about immigration, concerned about the migration of Syrian refugees, he is hoping all of those forces will propel him into the White House.

And I asked him, Suzanne, during this outing today, is he tending to his campaign at all? Because a lot of Republicans back in Washington wish he would get back home and work on his campaign. He did say to me earlier today he has been working on his vice presidential selection process. Here's what he had to say.

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ACOSTA: And for the Republicans who wish you were back on the campaign trail and not spending time --

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: One night. One night. Do I have the right to have one night to check the work of my sons? You know, children are very important. And to take one night, I'll be back tonight. So to spend one night to check the work of my son, he rebuilt -- I rebuilt, but he rebuilt for me, Turnberry, one of the great resorts of the world that we just left. I think I have an obligation to my child to go and check that he job. You know what I gave him? An A-plus.

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ACOSTA: And so there you have it, Suzanne. He is defending his golf outing here saying, well, his children have been working really hard on these projects out here. And he wants to, you know, take a firsthand look and make sure that everything is up to his standards.

I will tell you, an unusual day being out on the golf course with him, but he did take on a lot of questions, you know. He went after David Cameron, the prime minister of Britain again, saying that he resigned in a sad way. You know, you don't normally, Suzanne, you're a White House correspondent. You don't normally see a presidential candidate going overseas and kind of dissing world leaders, but Donald Trump is bringing his own brand of politics over here just as he does back home.

[15:35:31] MALVAUEX: Yes. I thought 2008 was unique.

And Jim, tell me a little about the whole kind of press conference golf tour, if you will. That's never happened before in all of my coverage and experience. Usually, you sit in to the press corps and you wait at the resort while they go golf and they come back and talk to you. But very different today, what happened?

ACOSTA: Yes. I called this the Gator-cade, because they put us in the back of John Deere Gators, these sort of little tractors, little golf cart tractors, and we all piled into the back of these things, about ten of them and just sort of drove around the golf course following Donald Trump to every one of these holes. But I have to tell you, you know, every one of these stops he took more and more questions and the aides were pushing us back. And you know this, Suzanne all too well. They are pushing us back saying no more question. And then we would ask another question, he would walk over and talk to as some more.

So Donald Trump is clearly enjoying this trip. He feels he timed this perfectly with his Brexit vote. A lot of people back in the U.S. are saying, you know, you're crazy to becoming over here and doing this. But he feels also vindicated in coming over here during this time. And he goes back later on tonight after having this meeting with Rupert Murdoch, the media mogul. They are wrapping up that dinner right, Suzanne.

MALVAUEX: Yes. Well, Jim, for one correspondent, one reporter to another, you got to appreciate (INAUDIBLE). It is a very unique situation.

ACOSTA: Absolutely.

MALVAUEX: Appreciate it. Get home safe.

Hillary Clinton slamming Trump over his reaction to the Brexit. She has released this new video attacking him over remarks that he made in Scotland just hours after the vote results were announced. Here is that clip.

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TRUMP: We have taken the lighthouse which is a very, very important building in Florida. I mean, in Scotland.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are now in unprecedented territory.

TRUMP: Golfers will stop and they will go and get something to eat and then they go on to the 10th hole.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Dow looks to open about lower by about 500 pounds.

TRUMP: Look. When the pound goes down, then you do more business. You know, when the pound goes down, more people are coming to Turnberry.

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MALVAUEX: All right. So let's talk about all this, unpack it with political editor at RightAlerts.com and Trump supporter Scottie Nell Hughes.

Scottie, thank you for joining us this afternoon. So you saw that particular video. Do you understand why some people saw that there was a concern that Trump was so focused on the golf resorts and he was really -- he had this opportunity? He was in the middle of the place where you had the currency that was crashing, and all of these things, but he talked about it in ways that they does well, when the pound goes down. That kind of thing?

SCOTTIE NELL HUGHES, TRUMP SUPPORTER: No. And I can see why the Hillary campaign put out this commercial. Because let's just point out, they are in absolute panic. If this is a good thing, if this Brexit vote was in their favor, you would have seen Hillary out almost immediately outside with the spotlight, even if it was 2:00 in the morning and with the podium saying this is a good thing. And this is why.

I think right now Democrats are really panicking because they're underestimating. Because they are realizing the same fear that is going on here in the United States that people are really scared about immigration. Their borders. The economy, trade, is also across the ocean.

MALVAUEX: At the same time the market panicked when this was going on, when he was mentioning the golf resorts. And I think, you know, people were asking, you know, response to the worldwide markets, and not so much that one facility, the resort he was standing in front of.

HUGHES: Well, that was just the first day. And I think anybody that watched the markets who has been in business like Mr. Trump would have known that the markets were going to react its volatility. I mean, they do not like any changes, whether good or bad. The market doesn't like it, and this was just the reaction. Granted, it's been dramatic.

He also have to think about leading up to the days up to it the markets were doing really well. I mean, record-high numbers were going - is escalating high thinking because they were told that hey, nothing was going to change. Everything is going to stay the same. So, of course, once that bubble was burst, you are going to see this type of volatility.

Now, talk about the long term. Get over the day of craziness. In fact, those of you that were looking to retire on Friday, I apologize. Probably was not a good day. But let's go forward into the future, and see how this is going to affect. I think that was the vote that came down to it. Why it was so important Friday they voted to exit, to have this Brexit. Because they are sitting there - you know what, listen, we know there's corruption. We cannot specifically tell you what's going on. We know the things were rotten. We need to have a change and we need to do it now and take care of the pain now so that long term we might be better off. What was working wasn't working for them.

MALVAUEX: All right. Scottie Nell Hughes, we are going to get back to you in a little bit. So we will bring you back for more conversation on that. Appreciate it. In the meantime, thank you very much.

Donald Trump won the Republican primary in Virginia, but now one delegate is suing for the right to not vote for him at the party convention. That story, plus how the never Trump movement seems to be gaining some steam.

You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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[15:44:05] MALVAUEX: The never Trump movement only getting louder as we get closer to the GOP convention. And Virginia delegate is now suing over a Virginia law that binds delegates to support the state's primary winner. Also groups are forming that seek to allow delegates to vote for someone other than Trump at the convention. There are even airing radio TV ads. And I want to look at this one. This is from the group delegates un-pound.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This nation feeling is good.

TRUMP: I'd like to punch him in the face, I tell you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But it won't count for much and it won't last unless it grounded in thoughtfulness and knowledge.

TRUMP: You got to see this guy, I don't know what I said!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's time to realize, I think, that we need God more than he needs us.

TRUMP: I don't bring God into that picture.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Use of force is always and only a last resort.

TRUMP: I would bomb the (bleep) out of them.

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MALVAUEX: Republican national committee member Randy Evans joining us now. He also a member of the GOP convention rules committee.

And Randy, first of all, I just want you react to that. I mean, seemed extremely powerful that you had Trump on one end directly comparing him to the former President Ronald Reagan.

RANDY EVANS, GOP CONVENTION RULES COMMITTEE MEMBER: Well, we certainly are seeing a flurry of activity. I don't know how much (INAUDIBLE), but there are certainly a lot of activity. Already today every member of the RNC rules committee got a proposed rooms amendment to un-pledge the delegates. They received phone calls from constituents back home. As you reported, the lawsuit was filed by the committeemen in Virginia. And we have seen a variety of other activities.

But candidly, when I looked at the list of delegates on the RNC rules committee, I just don't see it. I think that Trump folks have about, between 60 and 65 delegate the real question is now will be whether or not the anti-Trumpers can muster enough to get a minority report out of the committee. And that will take 28 of the 110 or 112 members. But if they get a minority report out, it could get to the floor of the convention, it could spell for a messy convention.

MALVAUEX: But how likely do you think that is that the rules would be passed unbind those delegates or the Virginia law would be deemed unconstitutional?

EVANS: Well, that's two different questions. Let me take them one at a time. What is the likelihood get at a rules committee as a rules committee report, I think that is very unlikely. What are the chances they could have a minority report and why is that such a big deal? Well, it's such a big deal because a minority report that un-pledges delegates permits debate on the floor and it permits the 2,472 delegates to then vote on the rules package. That's much different, because unlike voting for the president, where you're pledged, there is no pledging on the rules package. That means that the minority report could pass.

Now, let me talk a little about the lawsuit. On the lawsuit, most courts have recognized that the party has the ability to bind delegates, our rules currently do. Obviously if those rules changed, then you could technically unbind delegates. But each state then still has their own state law. So, for example, in Georgia, we sign an oath saying that we will agree to be bound independently, and we would have to violate our own oath in order to disregard the rules.

MALVAUEX: All right. Randy Evans, we have got to leave it there. But thank you so much. Obviously, we are going to work through and talk more about what that GOP convention is going to look like. How messy it's going to be and whether or not the party is really going to unite eventually around Donald Trump. Thank you so much.

This week's CNN hero, a remarkable young man. This man is from Columbia. He grew up with a serious neurological disorder and the obstacles that he faced seemed insurmountable. Well today, he's at law school. He has dedicated his life to helping kids who are just like he was.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The big --

I have cerebral palsy. A doctor told my mom I would amount to nothing. What we've been able to accomplish through our work is to change that story. We have transformed the lives of thousands of children with disabilities.

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[15:52:29] MALVAUEX: OK. We forgive you if you didn't know the word "Brexit" until a couple days ago. That's OK. A lot of people outside of Europe have to quickly get off to speed on this historic event that will have some degree of impact all over the world.

Or CNN's Brian Stelter here with how Europe's influential news media may have steered the vote.

BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Suzanne.

Yes. Now that the aftershocks from the Brexit decision are being felt around the world, many people in the U.S. and in the U.K. are caught off guard or surprised by this decision. You know, the polls ahead of the vote showed a very close, very tight race, but most political elites, media elites, experts believed that voters would ultimately decide to stay in the EU even though the vote would be close.

Now, the fact that the vote was in the opposite direction to leave the EU has caused a lot of surprise, but many are now either crediting or blaming some of Britain's powerful tabloid newspapers, newspapers like the "Daily Mail" and the "Sun," which have been campaigning aggressively for the Brexit for months.

Looking back at headlines, looking back at their cover stories, these papers were stirring concern about the EU, about Britain's relationship with the European Union, and in particular, putting a real focus on immigration. Many critics said these papers are anti- immigration and are sometimes downright xenophobic when it comes to the issue.

So now we are seeing either credit or blame being a portion. John Gaper writing in the FT about Fleet Street, which is the name of the collection for the papers. He said quote "if anyone thought Fleet Street lost influence, think again. It is smaller, weaker, and less profitable than before, but it still bites."

The liberal "New York Times" columnist Paul Grugman even went step further calling the editors of these papers evil for feeding their readers quote "a steady diet of lies, but these papers, some of their editors, some of their editorial boards are celebrating the decision. They are very happy that the voters agree with their stance to leave the EU.

And, to me, this is a reminder, whether in Britain or in America or anywhere else, that newspaper headlines, the television coverage that this kind of media attention really does matter. That you could apply that to the Donald Trump campaign or the Hillary Clinton campaign here in the U.S. as well.

Suzanne, back to you.

MALVAUEX: All right. Brian Stelter, thank you so much.

Ahead in the NEWSROOM, deadly weather, dangerous flood waters claiming lives now of 23 people in West Virginia.

And out west, hot windy conditions are fuelling fast moving wildfires. We will have a live report straight ahead. You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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[15:58:53] MALVAUEX: In today's "Fit Nation," it is man versus machine at the iron horse bicycle classic in Colorado. Not only this bicyclists face two 2,000 foot mountain passes, they race a train, yes a train, over nearly 50 miles. But for one competitor, that is nothing compared to the challenge he faced after being diagnosed with Parkinson's disease.

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is the iron horse bicycle classic, a growing 47-mile race to the mountains against the train.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To ride the iron horse, you have to have the mind- set that you are going to suffer.

It's the same for me, the same as it is for everyone else.

GUPTA: But for Joe Williams it's not the same. What he faces every day is far more challenging.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Receiving the diagnosis was shattering. The chief neurologist came out, Joe Williams, you have Parkinson's disease.

GUPTA: The left side of his body would freeze up. Soon he discovered he could reduce symptoms of Parkinson's by cycling.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Today I'm 63 and I should have declined physically, but each year I believe my health is better.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go, Joe, go!

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I won. I beat the mountain today. I didn't beat that train. I will never beat that train.

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