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Suicide Bomb Attack In Istanbul Airport; Cameron And E.U. At Odds Over Exit Process; E.U. Facing Uncertainty Triggered by Brexit; U.S. Politicians React to Istanbul Attacks. Aired 1-2a ET.
Aired June 29, 2016 - 01:00 ET
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[01:00:28] JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everybody. Thanks for being with us. We'd like to welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world. I'm John Vause in London where it has just turned 6:00 Wednesday morning.
AMARA WALKER, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Amara Walker in Los Angeles where it is now 10:00 Tuesday night. Our breaking news this hour, Turkish officials say 36 people are dead, nearly 150 people wounded in an attack on the Ataturk airport in Istanbul. We have to warn you, the video is disturbing and it shows people running for their lives, just seconds before one of the three attackers blew himself up inside the international terminal. Turkey's Prime Minister says he suspects ISIS is responsible. And another surveillance camera shows one of the other attackers falling to the floor after he's shot by police. About 30 seconds later, he detonates his suicide vest.
VAUSE: CNN's photo journalist, Joe Duran joins us now live from the airport with more on what's happening there right now. And also, Joe, you actually went inside the terminal a short time ago. Can you describe the extent of the damage which you saw?
JOE DURAN, CNN PHOTO JOURNALIST: Yes, John. The airport is now opened. Passengers are being allowed to walk into the terminal. I was able to walk there. It is about 500 meters from where I'm standing, and I can tell you, the devastation is huge. There is a lot of broken glass and burned-out parts of the building. The passengers are just walking and looking at this destruction in awe. It is beginning to -- they're trying to get it back into operation. Moments ago, I saw the first commercial flight take off. It was a Turkish airlines flight about 15 minutes ago, and I think soon they'll see the airport back in operation.
VAUSE: Joe, is there any idea how these attackers actually managed to get past the heavy security which was in place at the airport?
DURAN: I don't think it's clear yet, John. What you see behind me, the entrance to the airport, the blue sign behind me is the entrance to the airport, and that is the first part of security. When you drive up to the airport, there are policemen with machine guns standing there, checking cars. They are often asking you for I.D., checking, opening the hoods of the car. Once you get past that, you have another 200 meters to the terminal and there are two parts to the terminal. The bottom part is where arrivals are. Arrivals has one security guy at the door and basically it's an easy walk in for anyone who is armed to go beyond that one security at that entrance.
VAUSE: And Joe, the Turkish government convened a crisis meeting overnight. If history is any judge, what is their response likely to be?
DURAN: Well, I think it's too early to tell, John. I think that they will have many pressers today, and, you know, the Turkish government has spoken against -- or has put blame on ISIS. I think they are reviewing all the evidence and the tapes. There are many, many, many cameras throughout the airport and I think once they assess what happened, they'll have a response. The Turkish military has thousands of troops amassed at the border with Syria. What happens is anybody's guess, John.
VAUSE: OK, Joe Duran there in Istanbul at the airport, giving us the very latest. Joe, thank you. Amara --
WALKER: And John, we are also hearing from witnesses who were at the airport when this attack took place. Will Carter is one of them, and he spoke with our Anderson Cooper a short time after the attack.
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Will, I understand you were in the baggage area when this actually happened. You witnessed at least one of the blasts. Tell us what you saw.
[01:04:50] WILL CARTER, WITNESS (via telephone): We heard the shake, the sort of dull thud of two pretty loud explosions, I presumed from outside, and then a third one a few minutes later which was very close, the flash of the fireball, and some of the loose (ph) ceiling sort of coming off into the baggage collection area. At that point, there was a lot of panic around and we (inaudible) the passengers and I went to seek shelter further inside the building.
COOPER: So the first two blasts, about how far apart were they?
CARTER (via telephone): They were very close. I'd say a minute or so.
COOPER: And about how far away were you from those first two blasts?
CARTER (via telephone): I'm not sure. They were outside. They sounded very close. We felt a sort of shockwave through the structure. It was loud enough to know that something wasn't right. We didn't see damage at that point, but then there was the third flash, which was very, very close.
COOPER: The third one, was that still outside the arrivals area? Outside the actual entrance to the airport?
CARTER (via telephone): No, it was inside the terminal itself. It was just where you walk out through customs, where after you've collected your baggage, through customs to where people, often with their families meet, so it was inside that building, that part of the building. COOPER: I assume -- the place where the blast was, that was your exit
point. So what do you do? Because I understand you were kind of held or hunkered down in the baggage area for quite some time.
CARTER (via telephone): Yes. I was quite alert after the first one. Most people were sort of perplexed but not disturbed. After the second blast happened, they were screaming at the ground staff to tell everyone where the emergency exits were and they eventually said it wasn't anything, it's a secure airport terminal. Then the exit was (inaudible) the last bomber had struck. So we eventually ran down back to where immigration was and sort of took shelter in the grand terminal staff area, so it had loose metal doors, so we just had to stay there. At that point in time, we didn't know if there would be follow-on attacks, would get progressively closer. And thankfully, it stopped and we were evacuated.
COOPER: And I mean I know you've spent a lot of time overseas; you've worked in Afghanistan, you've been in a lot of difficult areas. You sound calm. I imagine everybody else must have just been terribly upset.
CARTER (via telephone): The first half an hour was pretty awful. We didn't know if there was anything else. There were very young children, there were families from parts of the world. There were people starting their honeymoons. It was pretty awful. I probably sound composed now, but at the time, it was still quite a terrifying experience.
COOPER: Yes. Well, Will, I'm glad you and the people around you were okay. Thank you so much for talking to us. Will Carter, appreciate it.
CARTER (via telephone): Thank you, Anderson.
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VAUSE: Turkey has seen a wave of terror attacks this year. In January, the ten Germans were killed in a suicide bombing in Istanbul. February 17, 28 people killed in an explosion in Ankara, a Kurdish militant group claimed responsibility. Less than a month later, a car bomb ripped through a busy square, also in Ankara, leaving 37 dead. Days after that, terrorists bombed a tourist area in Istanbul. And just a few weeks ago, an attack in Istanbul claimed 11 lives and wounded 36 people, a car bomb targeted a police bus during the morning rush hour.
I'm joined now by CNN's military analyst, Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona. Colonel, thank you for being with us. What sort of message is this attack, if it was carried out by ISIS, what message is that now sending now to Turkey and to the rest of the world?
LIEUTENANT COLONEL RICK FRANCONA, CNN MILITARY ANALYST: Well, I think it's indicating the vulnerability of these countries. As we see ISIS coming under tremendous pressure in Syria and Iraq, they're lashing out where they can. So they're looking for targets that they can strike. They're also looking for failed states in which they can move their operations, Libya being a good example. But Turkey is very vulnerable. It's probably the weakest part of the coalition, rather of newcomers to the coalition, and ISIS, I believe, is looking at Turkey as someone they might be able to change their behavior. If they can cause enough popular support to come out against the Turkish government for its role in the coalition, they may be able to break Turkey's participation. And the Turks have dealt the ISIS fighters a tremendous blow over the last several months as they became more and more part of the coalition. So I think ISIS is really isolating Turkey and trying to go after them. This target today -- civil aviation is always a good target for terrorists to go after. Even though this is an entry point for many of the ISIS fighters. So ISIS is running a strange calculation here on the targets they choose.
[01:10:12] VAUSE: Turkey's fighting on a number of fronts. There seems to be a perception, at least by some, that maybe they were focusing too much on the Kurdish workers party, the PKK, as opposed to ISIS. In your opinion, do you think that they've not paid enough attention to ISIS as a growing threat within Turkey?
FRANCONA: Oh, I think they have. As you see, those attacks that you all mentioned, if you look at the target sets and who is going after them, ISIS tends to go after tourism targets, economic targets, things that are going to hurt the Turkish people. If you look at what the PKK go after, they go after police and military targets. They're trying to go after the government. So a different target set there, a different change. But over the last couple of months, the Turks have really changed their focus from only the PKK to going after ISIS as well. Remember, when we first started this exercise, the Turks were giving a lot of lip service to going after ISIS when really, they were trying to marginalize and isolate the PKK. So I think the Turks are adopting a much better policy, as we would look at it. But I think ISIS beginning to rail against that and they say, Turkey used to be someone we could manipulate, someone we could use, someone we could exploit, and that's no longer the case. So now they're lashing out.
VAUSE: On the battlefield in Iraq and Syria, ISIS is losing a lot of territory. Fallujah fell to the Iraqi forces just a few days ago, and they're being squeezed in Syria as well. As that military operation continues, is there going to be more of a strategic shift, if you like, for ISIS, into carrying out these kind of international terror attacks?
FRANCONA: Yes, and I think we've begun to see that over at least the last month. And as this continues, we're going to see more attacks. They're going to try to focus their attacks in Europe, Turkey. We see more ISIS-inspired attacks in the United States and we're going to see an uptick in that. And of course, this is a very interesting time because it's the last ten days of Ramadan, very holy time, and of course ISIS has threatened this summer of discontent. I think we're going to see an uptick in the violence outside of Iraq and Syria.
VAUSE: Colonel Francona, as always, thanks for being with us. Appreciate it.
WALKER: We're going to take a short break here. When we come back, hear what European leaders are saying about the Istanbul terror attack just ahead. Also, more about the levels of security passengers have to go through even before reaching Istanbul's airport.
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NIGEL FARAGE, LEADER, UKIP: Good morning. Good morning! Funny, isn't it?
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VAUSE: Not quite a warm welcome for one of the leaders of the U.K. Brexit vote, but Nigel Farage, didn't flinch.
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FARAGE: When I came here 17 years ago, and I said that I wanted to lead a campaign to get Britain to leave the European Union, you all laughed at me. Well, I have to say, you're not laughing now, are you?
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[01:15:15] KATE RILEY, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Kate Riley with your CNN WORLD SPORT headlines. Defending Wimbledon champ, Serena Williams, was in action the second day of Wimbledon. The world number one had a tough fought victory in her opening match against Amara Sadikovic from Switzerland. The American was struggling with her serve. Still pulled off a straight set victory, six-two, six-two is how it ended. The six-time Wimbledon champ progresses to the second round. Meanwhile, it was an all British affair on centre court when (inaudible) Andy Murray faced wildcard, Liam Brody. In the opening round, the Scot (inaudible) the 22-year-old in straight set, six-two, six-three, six-four.
The world number one, Jason Day, decided not to compete in Rio because of concerns over the Zika virus. The Australian joins a long list of golfers who have declared themselves out of Rio because of the virus and other reasons. World number four, Rory McIlroy, as well as Adam Scott, Branden Grace, and Charl Schwartzel, as well as Shane Lowry, that's now seven, of the world's top 25 so far won't be competing.
And, outgoing England boss Roy Hodgson has been given a somewhat surreal press conference after his country's exit from Euro 2016. Hodgson, who resigned after Monday's defeat to Iceland, repeatedly questioned why he had to attend Tuesday's meeting with the press. He also said there were no magic answers to explain England's performance at the tournament. And that's a look at WORLD SPORT headlines, I'm Kate Riley.
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WALKER: Welcome back, everyone. You are watching CNN's breaking news coverage. I'm Amara Walker in Los Angeles.
VAUSE: I'm John Vause in London. Istanbul's Ataturk airport has re- opened just hours after a terror attack left 36 people dead, nearly 150 others wounded. CNN photo journalist took these pictures inside the airport a short time ago. Two gunmen detonated suicide vests at the international terminal. A third blew himself up in a nearby parking lot, and a witness described the blasts.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you inside the terminal?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I was inside the terminal.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you tell us what happened?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We heard a blast. It was a big blast. And a few minutes later, another one follow. A few minutes later, a slight blast, I think it was further away. And then we heard -- we saw a lot of people running around there. They were all covered in blood. That's the only thing I can say about this.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The blast, the bomb, were at the entrance of the terminal, or inside the check-in area?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was just before the security. It was before the security. It was outside. As you see there, it's just behind that bridge, that's where it happened.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And where were you at during the bomb?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was in the (ph) CIP lounge, which has a clear view of the entrance of the international arrival terminal. That's what I saw just right after the blast.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did it look like suicide bombers or they tried to shoot people after the bomb?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In fact, I didn't see anybody shooting around, but when I listen to the news, they claim that there was a suicide bomber who tried to get inside and when the policeman noticed that it was a suicide bomber, he started shooting around with the rifle. The people, they said it was a Kalashnikov. And then he detonated the bomb on himself.
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WALKER: For more on this now, CNN's senior international correspondent, Ivan Watson joining us from Paris. Hi there, Ivan. You know, we know that you've lived in Istanbul for many years, you've been to the Istanbul airport countless times. Can you just a little bit about the security there at the airport? Because there are several layers of security before you can even get inside, correct?
IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: There are. There's actually a gate at the entrance to the whole airport complex that cars have to go through where you'll have police guards with sub- machine-guns who can stop cars and search them. Though most of the vehicular traffic is then waved through. It appears that at least one of the attackers may have punctured one of those layers of defense, judging by the photos and the social media footage of some of the damage that we've seen. It does appear that the upper level, the departures area, some kind of blast got into that area and caused some damage there, and possibly some loss of life as well.
[01:20:13] WALKER: And to get more context on Istanbul airport, I mean, this is a major hub for international travelers. This is essentially where the world comes together, right? I mean, talk a little bit about why this airport would be a favorable target for terrorists.
WATSON: Well, it is the 11th busiest airport in the world. Istanbul is often described with this cliche that it's this crossroads of civilization. But that's really true. It is a point where Europe meets Asia and Turkish airlines, the national carrier, has expanded dramatically over the course of the last ten years. So you have people coming from the former Soviet Union, from the Middle East, from Africa, from East Asia, from Western Europe and North and South America all criss-crossing through this airport day and night, so that the lines are really backed up, even if you're just traveling transit through there.
WALKER: And lastly, with that in mind, Ivan, I'm just curious to know, when you talk to your friends, colleagues, back in Istanbul or other places in Turkey, how they feel about their own security and how, you know, all of the situation has impacted their daily lives, and of course you mentioned tourism tanking as well. But what is it people who live there say about how they feel about their security?
WATSON: Amara, it's been terrible. A real growing, creeping sense of dread, not just in the last month or two, but over the course of the last year, with the government issuing warnings in the past about avoiding the subway system at times, for fear of possible attacks. But this war on two fronts, against Kurdish militants and against ISIS, and simultaneously, the Turkish government cracking down on dissent, everything from journalists to -- just last weekend, tear gassing, riot police tear gassing people trying to come out in the streets of Istanbul for what had traditionally been the LGBT pride parade. Last January, I wrote a column in which I said, I predicted this would be a long and bloody and difficult year, and sadly, that prediction is coming true.
WALKER: Indeed it is. Ivan Watson, we appreciate your insight. Thank you.
VAUSE: There's been still no claim of responsibility for the attack, but Turkish officials believe ISIS is behind the bombing of the airport there in Istanbul. And CNN's Tom Foreman looks closely now at how the attacks took place.
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TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This airport has a tremendous amount of security on the roads coming in to keep people from getting into the terminal easily, and of course to keep them away from the planes. And these attacks seem to have made it at least this far, to this area here for the first bombing, and the second one appears to have been somewhere over here. Let's talk about the first one to begin with and why we think that's probably the first. This is the location. It's where people would be coming in, lower area, arrivals, you see people standing around, waiting in a normal time in this airport. This was not during the attack. But look at the video during the attack. There's no real sign of tremendous alarm. Kind of normal movement before you get to the explosion down here. And then, tremendous blast. Witnesses talk about hearing two separate blasts. But before that, you don't see the sign of agitation. Go to that second location we were talking about a moment ago, down near the end, and this is what that area is like. You're going to see this little corner here. This is where a officer of some sort seems to be as the gunman comes around the corner here, and then he takes the gunman down, apparently shooting him as he comes around the corner. And here you see a little more agitation, people trying to get away, moving more quickly, which indicates there is some alarm already, probably from the first blast. Then the police officer comes over here, he sees the man is down, but still has explosives. The police officer runs away, and then there is the explosion, and you can see the force of that explosion, how much damage it did in that area alone. So that's an idea of where they occurred. Past the first line of defense on the road coming in, but pretty much held up somewhere around the second line of defense. May have been able to force their way through, but they certainly didn't get that close to the planes. And as we get more information exactly how they got there and where they were trying to go, that will explain a lot too.
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VAUSE: Our thanks to Tom Foreman for that report. We'll take a short break. When we come back, trying to come to terms with the Brexit. What happened at the British Prime Minister's meeting with E.U. leaders? That's next.
WALKER: Plus, hear what European leaders are saying about the Istanbul terror attack. That is straight ahead.
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VAUSE: Welcome back, everybody. You're watching CNN's breaking news coverage. I'm John Vause, live in London.
WALKER: And I'm Amara walker in Los Angeles where it's 10:29 in the evening. Turkey's Prime Minister says he believes ISIS is behind the terror attack at Istanbul's airport, though no one has claimed responsibility so far. Three suicide bombers who were also armed with guns, attacked passengers before blowing themselves up Tuesday. 36 people were killed. Nearly 150 others wounded. World leaders are calling for unity in the fight against terrorism.
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ANGELA MERKEL, CHANCELLOR OF GERMANY (via translator): I offer my deepest sympathies to the relatives of the victims and the injured, and I want to say to all of the Turkish people that we consider ourselves united with them in the fight against terror.
FRANCOIS HOLLANDE, PRESIDENT OF FRANCE (via translator): We fear that these terrorist acts, which come after others, are born to make the situation in Turkey more difficult. But we must act, that's what we are also doing in Europe and France, and coordinate further our services and carry out as much as possible the necessary actions against terrorism and trafficking.
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VAUSE: We'll turn now to the political fallout from the Brexit. Labour Party leader, Jeremy Corbyn, lost a confidence vote in parliament after 2/3 of his shadow cabinet resigned.
[01:30:00] He vowed to stay on but the vote clears the way for a leadership challenge.
Prime Minister David Cameron is at odds with E.U. leaders on how to begin the exit. He wants to hold off triggering the process until Britain knows what a future deal with the E.U. might look like. The E.U. is refusing to discuss deals until the withdrawal is made official.
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NIGEL FARAGE, UKIP: Good morning. Good morning.
VAUSE (voice-over): The most vocal Brexit architect, Nigel Farage, was welcomed with loud boos by the E.U. Parliament on Tuesday but the leader of the U.K. Independence Party gloated unapologetically, reminding his colleagues that he'd been calling for a Brexit for more than a decade.
He then took it one step further, insulting his fellow Parliament members.
FARAGE: Now I know that virtually none of you have ever done a proper job in your lives or worked in business or worked in trade or, indeed, ever created a job.
JEAN-CLAUDE JUNCKER, PRESIDENT, EUROPEAN COMMISSION: I'm really surprised that you are here. You were fighting for the exit. The British people voted in favor of the exit.
Why are you here?
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VAUSE: Live now to Erin McLaughlin in Brussels, where E.U. leaders will be meeting.
And, Erin, for the first time, Britain will not be at that meeting.
ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, John. But David Cameron was there last night for his last supper with the 27 remaining E.U. leaders. It was there that he discussed just what he felt went wrong for him during the referendum.
He said that he believed it was the E.U. leader's inability to address the public's concerns over immigration that led to the outcome of that referendum. He did not, as expected, invoke Article 50 of the E.U. treaty, which is necessary to trigger legal exit negotiations.
That's something that E.U. leaders really seemed understanding of, E.U. Council president, Donald Tusk, saying that they realized that there is some time needed for the dust to settle in the U.K.
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MCLAUGHLIN (voice-over): Historic and dramatic, Europe's heads of state and government gather in Brussels to reflect on the referendum, certain to alter the course of the European project.
DAVID CAMERON, PRIME MINISTER, GREAT BRITAIN: We mustn't be turning our backs on Europe.
MCLAUGHLIN: The most anticipated leader of this summit has just arrived, British Prime Minister David Cameron, ready to assume his place in history. He has a lot of explaining to do.
MCLAUGHLIN (voice-over): The day began with political theater. Lead campaigner Nigel Farage took one last shot at the institution he vows to break from.
FARAGE: You know, when I came here 17 years ago and I said that I wanted to lead a campaign to get Britain to leave the European Union, you all laughed at me.
Well, I have to say, you're not laughing now, are you?
MCLAUGHLIN (voice-over): Chris Jones, a British citizen who works at the European Parliament, had this to say in response.
CHRIS JONES, BRITISH CITIZEN: Well, all I see is my country being made a laughing stock on the European stage because of the poor quality of its politics and its politicians. And he embodies that entirely.
MCLAUGHLIN (voice-over): Jones said he plans to become a Belgian citizen so that he can retain the right to live and travel in Europe, one of many lives altered by the decision of 17 million.
At Kitty O'Shea's (ph) pub, they're wondering what happens next.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm Belgian and my husband is English. So we feel like separated. We're going to move to France. So we don't know what will be our status in France.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Here I feel really welcome because I'm an ex- pat. But in the U.K., I'm an immigrant, the one stealing jobs.
MCLAUGHLIN (voice-over): At a pub across from the E.U. Commission, Nigel Farage enjoys the end of his day. We're blocked from filming, told it's a private meeting. There will be no more media today.
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MCLAUGHLIN: Well, in the wake of the British referendum, there seems to be this widespread acknowledgement here in Brussels that the E.U. is in need of reform, that somehow the institutions here have lost touch with ordinary people.
It is going to be a topic of discussion at today's meeting of the remaining 27 E.U. leaders, meeting, as you mentioned there, John, for the first time, without British prime minister David Cameron.
We do not expect any sort of conclusion on the topic of E.U. reform out of today's meeting. It's going to be a subject to debate for some time to come. We do expect a message of unity -- John.
VAUSE: Erin, thank you, Erin McLaughlin live this hour in Brussels.
Tom McTague joins me here in London for more on the Brexit fallout. He's the chief U.K. correspondent for "Politico."
So, Tom, it now seems that this referendum result is now a question of semantics.
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VAUSE: It seems Britain will have some kind of relationship with the E.U. at this point it's just not entirely clear what that will be.
So this referendum is not quite the binary outcome that we were expecting; so either you're out or you're in.
TOM MCTAGUE, CHIEF U.K. POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT, POLITICO: Absolutely. David Cameron came back in February with his own deal. And what is emerging very quickly is that we'll have to have a new deal. There are three main things I think. There is money, there is trade and there is immigration.
We are going to have to pay somewhere into the European Union budget, we're going to have to have some deal on immigration, free movement and we'll have to have something on tariffs. What that deal is, no one's sure.
VAUSE: How will that go down, though, with all the millions and millions of people who voted to leave, thinking that firstly they were going to stop immigration, they wouldn't have to spend any more money to the E.U., that everything that they finally wanted was going to come true and now, what, the government tells them, hang on, not so fast?
MCTAGUE: Well, absolutely. We don't know. There's certainly going to be a stab-in-the-back myth, that we were told one thing and now we haven't got that and we're having to pay an economic price for that.
So I would imagine the big victors of that, the big winners, will be UKIP and Nigel Farage, who could quite quickly make ground in the north of England, all those areas which voted for Brexit; he may make serious gains in the next general election.
VAUSE: One thing which seems pretty clear right now is that the E.U. is playing hardball. We heard from leaders like Germany's Angela Merkel, essentially saying, you can't cherry-pick what you want and saying that you need us more than we need you.
MCTAGUE: Yes, it's hard to see how this is going to be played out. There are people who are trying to game them. There, on the one hand, there are 10 percent tariffs on cars and we have huge car manufacturing plants here.
At the same time, the German car industry needs to sell their cars here.
So which way does it go?
The U.K. financial industry is huge.
Will the Europeans want to take a slice of that?
I would say with 27 other countries versus one country here, they probably have the upper hand.
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VAUSE: You'd think so.
Politically, the turmoil continues. Jeremy Corbyn, huge vote of no confidence really in Italy there's a blowback (ph).
How long can he keep going with so many of his own elected Labour MPs not wanting him as leader?
MCTAGUE: Well, it's an extraordinary situation. In ordinary times, Jeremy Corbyn would be long gone at this point. I think David Cameron, the day before the Brexit vote, had 80 MPs write to him, urging him to stay on and he resigned.
Yesterday we had hundreds of Labour MPs telling Jeremy Corbyn to go and he stayed. So he could hang on for as long as he likes if the Labour Party members want him in this position.
VAUSE: But that's the point here, is that the leader of the Labour Party is not elected by the Labour MPs or elected by the rank-and-file of the party and he has a lot of support within the rank-and-file?
MCTAGUE: He has huge support. And it's a one member, one vote system. So the MPs in that place over there have just as many votes, one vote, as an ordinary member who can sign up for 3 pounds.
VAUSE: But there's this catch, if you like, that if you want to stand for the leadership, if there is a leadership to fill, you need 50 members --\
MCTAGUE: That's right.
VAUSE: -- within elected MPs to nominate you as leader. He didn't get 50 members yesterday in that no-confidence vote. So if he doesn't have the support of the MPs, can he still put himself forward in a leadership?
MCTAGUE: The rules are unclear --
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VAUSE: The rules are unclear, good.
MCTAGUE: -- as ever in British politics. I think it's almost certain that he will be on the ballot paper if he wants to be. The rules are slightly fuzzy. But he will be on. He will be fighting.
VAUSE: OK, we'll see what happens. Tom, thanks for coming in, nice to see you.
MCTAGUE: Thank you.
VAUSE: Cheers.
And we'll take a short break here.
Amara, back to you.
AMARA WALKER, CNN HOST: Thanks so much, John.
Next on CNN, the U.S. presidential nominees speak out on the Istanbul terror attack and Donald Trump warns the U.S. had better starting fighting fire with fire. That's next.
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WALKER: Hello, everyone, you are watching CNN's breaking news coverage. I'm Amara Walker in Los Angeles.
VAUSE: I'm John Vause in London.
Ataturk Airport in Istanbul is back open for business, hours after suicide bombers killed 36 people there. Nearly 150 others were wounded.
Right now, clean-up crews are working to remove the broken glass and the debris as well as people's luggage which was left behind after the bombings. Turkey's prime minister said he thinks ISIS is to blame but so far there has been no claim of responsibility.
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WALKER: Well, both presumptive U.S. presidential nominees have condemned the Istanbul attack.
At a campaign rally in Ohio Tuesday, Republican Donald Trump told his supporters, the terrorist threat has never been greater and the U.S. needs to get tough. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Many, many people killed. Many, many people injured. Folks, there's something going on that's really, really bad.
All right?
It's bad.
And we better get smart and we better get tough or we're not going to have much of a country left, OK?
It's bad.
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WALKER (voice-over): And Democrat Hillary Clinton taking a different tone in her response to the attack, calling for international cooperation. Clinton also criticized Trump's campaign rhetoric during a town hall here in Los Angeles.
HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I am not sympathetic to the xenophobia, the misogyny, the homophobia, the Islamophobia and all of the other --
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CLINTON: -- you know, sort of dog whistles that Trump uses to create that fervor among a lot of his supporters.
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WALKER: I am joined now by California's Democratic Party vice chair, Eric Bauman, and KABC talk radio host and Trump supporter, John Phillips.
Welcome to you, gentlemen. Thanks for coming in.
I want to start with you, John, we heard there Trump saying we better get smart, we better get tough. He's been criticized many times before for not getting specific on his policy proposals.
So what is he talking about when he says tough?
Tough on Muslims, tough on immigration, waterboarding?
What's he talking about?
JOHN PHILLIPS, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Well, you have to identify the problem, which is radical Islam and you have to sometimes do things that will be politically incorrect or do things that'll be unpopular --
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WALKER: Which is what?
PHILLIPS: -- for example, the temporary ban on certain immigrants coming here from countries where there are problems with terrorism. We do not have a background system that works. Europe does not have a background check system that works.
And if you're taking people in and you don't know if they're here to become Americans --
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PHILLIPS: -- and work and live their lives in peace or do harm, then you're really rolling the dice in a very dangerous way.
WALKER: Eric, you're sighing.
ERIC BAUMAN, CALIFORNIA DEMOCRATIC PARTY VICE CHAIRMAN: The great strength of America has always been the fact that we're a nation of immigrants, that we have allowed people to come and join our nation and become part of the fabric of our society.
And to wholesale block a group and say we're not going to let Muslims come in, we're not going to let people come in from this country or that country, it's preposterous. It's not the way you live in a 21st century, international, global world like we live in.
And I must tell you that kind of xenophobic rhetoric and concept is not healthy.
One other thing I want to say, you said he's been criticized -- Trump's been criticized for not being specific. The most specific thing he said is, it's bad, it's really bad. That's what he said that was specific. He didn't say, here's my plan to fix it.
WALKER: You talk about the global world. And on the campaign trail today, Trump gave his economic policy speech. He talked about globalization, saying that it's been bad for the middle class, et cetera. Let's take a listen to what he had to say there.
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TRUMP: She has it completely backwards. Hillary Clinton unleashed a trade war against the American worker when she supported one terrible deal after another, from NAFTA to China, to South Korea, it doesn't matter.
No matter where she went, the American worker was hurt. And you will be hurt worse than ever before if she becomes President of the United States. That I can tell you.
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WALKER: OK, and here's how Hillary Clinton responded in a tweet. Here it is. "Trump's speaking about outsourcing right now. Here's one of his
shirts, made in Bangladesh."
So John, this is a man, Trump, who has made money off of globalization, who's outsourced his products. He has manufacturing deals with China and Mexico.
Isn't this hypocrisy?
PHILLIPS: Right. Well, he's a businessman that operates by the rules that were written by the politicians. And let's face it, the trade rules are the Clinton-Obama trade rules.
NAFTA was signed when President Clinton was in office. TPP and other trade bills were signed when President Obama was in office and supported at one time by Hillary Clinton. So these trade policies are their trade policies.
WALKER: So you're saying Trump had no choice but to outsource some of the labor for his companies?
PHILLIPS: Trump knows how to make a buck.
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BAUMAN: Actually, you know what, that's true because not only are all of his products made in third world countries, he's bankrupted his companies over and over and over again, screwing his workers out of their salaries and vendors out of their fees.
So, yes, he knows how to make a buck. And if that's the way we want to lead America, with that kind of set of values and ethics and morals, then I think we're in bigger trouble than even Trump realizes.
WALKER: Also one of the headlines today was the Benghazi report that came out, right, 800 pages or so of this final report. There was a two-year investigation by House Republicans, costing I think $7 million.
First of all, let's get Clinton's reaction to this final report.
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CLINTON: After more than two years and $7 million spent by the Benghazi committee out of taxpayer funds, it had to today report it had found nothing. I'll leave it to others to characterize this report. But I think it's pretty clear it's time to move on.
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WALKER: Is it time to move on?
Eric, I want you to answer this question, because, again, this report did not find any new evidence of wrongdoing by Clinton. But a lot of people say that it still underscores the fact that it's hard to trust this woman. BAUMAN: You know what, here's my simple response. Three numbers to remember: eight investigations, $7 million, one report that proves nothing, that makes no accusations that directly tie her in any way, shape or form, to the deaths, four tragic deaths of Americans.
Instead, this has been politics, back from when Darrell Issa was investigating, to when this investigation began. And all they're doing this is for politics, pure and simple, and today's report proved it, 800 pages and the headline is, there's nothing new in it.
WALKER: Was $7 million worth it?
PHILLIPS: Absolutely. Four Americans died. When Americans die, including an ambassador overseas, we should spend every dollar we need to spend to figure out what happened, figure out what the point of failure was and make sure it doesn't happen again.
And the fact of the matter is, is she's a secretary of state. So she's running on her experience in the realm of foreign policy.
Well, this is part of her experience, this is part of the package that we're buying if Hillary Clinton becomes president.
And the fact of the matter is, is they made a strategic mistake by misidentifying the level of threat that was going on in that country. The narrative that the Obama administration was putting out -- and Hillary Clinton was the face of that as secretary of state -- was that Libya was a stable place and they were moving along swimmingly. That just wasn't true.
WALKER: All right. We're going to have to leave it there, gentlemen.
John Phillips and Eric Bauman, really appreciate you guys --
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WALKER: -- thank you for the conversation.
All right, we're going to take a short break. When we come back, more on this breaking news out of Turkey, including new details on how the suicide bombers carried out their attack. You're watching CNN.
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MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN HOST: Hello, everyone, I'm Michael Holmes. This is your "Road to Rio" update.
Rio de Janeiro's acting governor told a Brazilian newspaper that the state has not yet received the federal funds it needs for increased security and transportation for the Olympics. He said if some steps are not taken, the games could be a, quote, "big failure."
The Brazilian government said the $850 million in funds will be delivered to Rio by Thursday.
In the Brazilian city of Maracaju, a man was arrested for attempting to throw a bucket of water on the Olympic torch. Luckily, he missed the torch but he did hit the torch bearer and the security guards surrounding it. He was charged with intent to cause material harm and later released on bail.
Australian golfer Jason Day has pulled out of the Olympics because of the Zika virus. The sport's number one player said it was a difficult decision but not a risk he was willing to take since he and his wife plan to have more children. Day is the sixth golfer to say they will not be going to the Olympics because of Zika.
Rio's so-called "new tunnel" is the first location to feature new decorations to mark the Olympic Games. The city's government chose the designs to help spread Olympic spirit among the local population. The main roads, sports facilities and lightposts will also be decorated in the coming days.
That's your "Road to Rio" update. I'm Michael Holmes.
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WALKER: Welcome back, everyone. Turkey's prime minister said the three suicide bombers who attacked Istanbul's airport rode there in a taxi. The surveillance video from the scene is also very disturbing; 36 people are dead, nearly 150 wounded. No one has claimed responsibility just yet.
But Turkish authorities suspect ISIS is behind it. Here's a look at the chaos.
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WALKER: Some stunning scenes there. I'm Amara Walker in Los Angeles.
VAUSE: I'm John Vause in London. Much more breaking news coverage right after this.
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