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[11:00:18] BECKY ANDERSON, HOST: Scenes of carnage, dozens killed, and hundreds injured: Istanbul's airport is up and running less than 24
hours after terror struck there. We'll have all the very latest for you this hour.
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DAVID CAMERON, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: I think we want the closest possible relationship in terms of trading with the European Union. And
that's something that can be discussed and debated in this house, as well as by the next government.
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ANDERSON: But it's not clear who will even be running that government, or if Europe about want to cozy up with Britain. Amid all the
chaos we'll bring you analysis from London and from Brussels.
Hello, and welcome to Connect the World. I'm Becky Anderson this week in London where the fallout from Britain's historic decision to leave the
EU is still rattling this city and beyond.
I have to say we are following a lot of big developments right now. I'm going to cover all of them for you this hour.
First, though, let's start with our breaking news out of Istanbul. And flights have resumed at the Ataturk International Airport even as
cleaning crews sweep away shattered glass and wash off dried bloodstains, reminders of the horror that happened there less than 24 hours ago.
Authorities say three terrorists opened fire, and then blew themselves up, killing at least 41 people. We are now learning that at least 14
foreigners are among the dead.
One witness describes seeing a flash of fire inside the terminal.
You can see an explosion in our next video, and we do warn you that it is disturbing.
Well, we're not showing the aftermath because it's far too gruesome. Investigators pouring over
footage from the scene today working to identify the attackers. There has been no claim of responsibility, but officials say all signs point to ISIS.
Well, Turkey has been plagued by terror attacks all year. In January, ten Germans were killed in a suicide bombing in Istanbul. The following
month, 28 people were killed in an explosion in Ankara. A Kurdish militant group claimed responsibility. In March, 37 were killed when a car bomb
ripped through a busy square in the capital, Ankara. Days later, terrorists also bombed a tourist area in
Earlier this month, an attack again in Istanbul killed at least 11 people, and injured 36. The car bomb attack targeted a police bus during
the morning rush hour.
Well I'm joined now by the Fawaz Gerges, th professor of international relations at the London School of Economics and Political Science, also an
author of "ISIS: A History." Thank you for joining us as ever. It's always a pleasure to have you on the show.
No claim of responsibility by ISIS. And in the past, there have been claims of responsibility for some of these atrocious acts by Kurdish
insurgent groups. So why is it that officials believe that this time this is the work of ISIS?
FAWAZ GERGES, LONDONG SCHOOL OF ECONOMICS: Well, for a variety of reasons. It's a massive attack. It's a defiance attack. It's a
spectacular attack. It targets the hearts of commercial life and also symbolic life in Turkey. And it's all out war now between ISIS and the
Becky, for your own viewers, what is happening on the Turkish-Syrian border is very significant. Turkey has been a weigh station for ISIS for
the last four years. And what the American-led coalition is trying to do is to basically to cut the lifeline of ISIS from Turkey, to basically expel
ISIS from Nimbij (ph) in particular, a majosr city, there are major attacks.
So, really, this is an existential fight for ISIS. And what ISIS is trying to say to Turkey, you want all-out war? Here you have it.
ANDERSON: We are led to believe that they are on the run. Are they?
GERGES: ISIS is losing. ISIS is besieged. ISIS on the defensive. It has lost thousands of its
fighters. It has lost big chunks territories in Iraq and Syria. But one of the lessons we have learned is that ISIS is resilient. ISIS learns,
ISIS has organizational capacity to renew itself.
And yes, it's losing but it's not the beginning of the end. It has been able to really basically construct policies and carry out attacks all
over the world. A few days ago, the head of the U.S. CIA John Brennan says ISIS has tens of thousands of fighters worldwide who can basically carry
out attacks all over the world.
ANDERSON: All over the world is where they can carry out attacks. Where they have based themselves to date has been Syria and Iraq with
groups now associated with them in the likes of Libya as well.
We are witnessing what seems to be a rapprochement between Russia and turkey, specifically a call made by President Putin, I believe, to the
Turkish president, to offer some sympathy for this attack. How significant is that in the wider picture here?
GERGES: Very significant, because, as you know, I mean, Turkey and Russia don't see eye
to eye on Syria, in particular. And in particular this rapprochement with Russia could really provide a life for the Syrian conflict.
They have differences. Neither the Russians nor the Turks say they are going to really bridge their differences, but it is the beginning of a
rapprochement. And basically one would hope that the Turkish-Russian rapprochement could bring about some reconciliation and a kind of a vision
for a settlement, a political vision.
At this particular moment it's very difficult to see it.
But, remember, it's all about the economy. The Russian economy, I mean, is in a terrible shape as a result of the sanctions by the European
and the western government. And the Turkish economy is in a terrible shape as a result of the terrorism in the last year or so.
ANDERSON: What are, briefly, the implications then for the likes of the U.S. and its fight against ISIS if we were to see this kind of coming
together, this rapproachement between two significant players, proxy players in that Syria War?
GERGES: President Erdogan made a very important statement today. He said the fight against ISIS is a first priority. This is the first time
that the Turkish president makes this statement. Now, it's no longer the Kurds, no longer the Assad regime. Now Turkey realizes this is an
existential fight. It's not just about the 50 people killed, or 100 people killed, even though it's very painful, ISIS has been able to exact a heavy
toll has been able to exact a heavy toll on the economy of Turkey, economic warfare.
Turkey cannot really basically weather such a huge storm. So you are going to see an escalation in the fight against ISIS and maybe to come back
to your question about Syria, maybe a kind of a bridging the gap between the Russian view on Syria and the Turkish-American view on Syria and the
beginning of a political vision, one would hope.
Analysis from Fawaz Gerges, a regular guest this hour.
Well, you are watching CNN. This is Connect the World. We'll be right back after this very short break. Don't go away.
[11:10:02] ANDERSON: At ten past 4:00 here in London. Welcome back. You are watching CNN. This is Connect the World, with me, Becky Anderson.
Normally out of Abu Dhabi, but a reason for us to be in London over the past 10 days or so.
European leaders are sending a strong message to this, the United Kingdom. You can't leave the world's biggest economic bloc without paying
a big price. They are meeting in Brussels for a second day without the British Prime Minister David Cameron.
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DONALD TUSK, EUROPEAN COUNCIL PRESIDENT: There will be no negotiations of any kind until the UK formally notifies its intention to
withdraw. We hope to have the UK as a close partner in the future. It is up to the British government to notify the European council of the UK's
intention to withdraw from the union.
Leaders made it crystal clear today that access to the single market requires acceptance of all four freedoms, including the freedom of
movement. There will be no single market a la carte.
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ANDESRON: No single market a la carte, Britain being told. CNN's international diplomatic editor Nic Robertson joining me now live from
I don't think that will surprise anybody. Cameron's not at these meetings today. Tusk saying the EU market access requires freedom of
movement. Nic, how much of a role did the migrant crisis play in all of this?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONENT: Well, this is what David Cameron told the -- all these 27 EU leaders when he had dinner with
them last night.
He said, look, the migrant crisis was something that played heavily into this. He really felt that the European leaders when he came to them
months ago to try to get them to give him something to take back to the British public on limiting EU migration into Europe, and they didn't give
it to him, or not in the way he really needed it.
You know, he said to them, you know, this contributed to this vote. And he said it is something we have to think about in Britain. But he also
said that his European Union leaders it's something they have to think about.
Look, we have heard this clear red line from Donald Tusk. We've heard it from a number of
European leaders. It is a very clear position that they are staking out here. But at the same time, let's not forget within the ranks of the
European Union there are divisions over how to tackle this issue of immigration, of the movement of migrants around Europe, and workers around
There are concerns of some nations.
Now the lead, the stronger nations here -- France, Germany, are sort of leading the way at
the moment. But there are smaller countries that do worry about it. And of course so the body politic
of the European Union presenting a united face about this. They have concerns, because they want to keep the European Union together but of
course David Cameron has said in the house of parliament he believe that Britain needs to have and should have as much access as
possible to that single market, 500 million people.
But as he told European leaders, you know, we can't -- whatever future deal is, the issue of
migrants will have to be addressed, Becky.
ANDERSON: Nic, tough talk on Britain leaving the EU from Germany's finance minister, Wolfgang he says there is a danger of a domino effect
from this Brexit, Britain exiting the EU. Nic, what are your thoughts on that?
ROBERTSON: Again, at the moment I think what you are seeing is a united front, but the longer that it plays out -- and this is the real
concern here -- we've heard expressions from some of the European leaders saying, look, we understand Britain -- you know, David Cameron resigned.
This was -- you know, he got it wrong. That was bad enough in itself.
We understand Britain needs a little time to elect a new leader, but at the same time as soon as
they get that new leader the sense here is that Britain needs to very quickly begin the negotiations because the longer you leave it the more
there is the political instability. You know, we are seeing the markets firm up a little bit but this is far, far from over in financial terms.
But in terms of political terms, the longer that this continues, the longer that this continues, the longer that the debate continues about, you
know, the problems of migration or whatever it is, then that's going to amp up nationalist parties and countries like Holland, like France. We heard
Marine Le Len yesterday jumping to her feet after Nigel Farage gave his roasting to the members of the European
Parliament there, supporting him.
And we that, know you, she is a popular figure in some quarters in France. France has elections next year, worrisome for Europe.
ANDERSON: Comments from Juncker, which are so non-conciliatory at this point, is this personal, do you think, Nic, given that the UK tried to
keep him out?
[11:15:09] ROBERTSON: Well, there were those comments that were attributed to David Cameron that raised concerns about Juncker, you know,
in his time, if you will, you know, it's probably not appropriate to go into it on the air to try to -- you know, not to add substance to something
that's been discussed and laid to one side.
But the sort of things that were being...
ANDERSON: Yep, all right. Apologies. We seem to have been let down by the technology there.
But I think you got the point. Nic reporting for you out of Brussels.
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CAMERON: It might be in my party's interest for him to sit there, it's not in the national
interest. And I would say, for heaven's sake, man, go.
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ANDERSON: Right. At the first prime minister's question time since the Brexit vote, the outgoing Prime Minister David Cameron there telling
the opposition leader to step down as well.
Mr. Cameron isn't alone in calling for Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn to resign. Corbyn lost a vote of confidence by his own MPs in his own party
on Tuesday, by a wide margin. The country's two largest political parties now mired in uncertainty and confusion at the very top.
Not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, I think we'd say, Max. That was a British understatement from me.
Let's dive into this with the CNN political contributor Robyn Oakley who is with me now.
Who knows what to think of this anymore, and how is Corbyn -- let's start with him, who is he still refusing to resign?
ROBIN OAKLEY, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: Well, Jeremy Corbyn -- I think even his fiercest critics accept that he is a very sincere man, very
strongly embedded in his beliefs. And he believes that he is fighting a crusade for a particular end of his own Labour Party, the left-wing end of
the Labour Party, the -- essentially X, you know, anti-CNDM (ph) to the party almost pacifist and protecting the poor, all that side of things.
And he -- this is the first time that the real hard left of the Labour Party have had somebody in such a position of power, partly due to a change
of the election system when he was chosen last September. So it's not just Jeremy Corbyn hanging on to this job for the sake of his own prestige, he
probably doesn't enjoy it all that much in some ways. He only entered the contest last time around as a token left wing candidate.
But he feels that he would be selling out his end of the Labour Party if he were to go now, despite the fact that all this -- or so many of his
fellow MPs have rejected him. So, he will probably fight another leadership campaign.
The big problems that the is they now have got unite 51 of them have got to unite behind one candidate to stand against him to precipitate a
ANDERSON: Some are saying that there have been some sellouts on the Conservative side. Let me just bring you just some of what was written in
a newspaper article today, because it's actually very interesting. A quote from Sarah Vine, Robin. She is a journalist, but she is also the wife of
this man. let's bring up his picture. Michael Gove, a very prominent leave
campaigner who some have speculated has a strong chance at becoming Britain's next prime minister.
By the way, viewers, we haven't seen much of him since this result.
But Vine writes, quote, "almost overnight those of us on the winning side suddenly found ourselves recast as knuckle dragging thugs, small-
minded little Englanders whose short-sighted bigotry had brought the nation to its knees while making sweet Italian waitresses cry and stopping small
Polish children from going to school."
Look, I think she was trying to inject some humor into that. The whole article, though, very much reads as woe is us. She hardly seems to
be alone in her sentiment.
Forget being magnanimous for the time being, some seem melancholic on the leave side here. What's going on here?
OAKLEY: Well, that same article was not only that whole article is not only melancholic and saying, gosh, life is getting tough for us because
we won, it was expressing the degree of surprise they felt at winning.
And I think that is partly the case.
Probably probably less so with Michael Gove who gave some intellectual weight to the leave campaign. But with Boris Johnson, many of his fellow
Tory MPs feel he climbed aboard the leave side purely to help undermine David Cameron and to advance his own prospects of getting the Tory
leadership sooner or later and that he suddenly found himself in a situation that they didn't expect to win. And that's why they didn't have
And that's one of the reasons why we have heard so little from Boris Johnson and Michael Gove since the contest. The other reason, of course,
is that Boris Johnson is rushing around now, or his aides are rushing around, bringing in Conservative MPs to see him.
ANDERSON: But notable by his and Gove's absence it has got to be said -- and
there are many people that I have spoken to in the past 48, 72 hours suggesting this now is a country that needs leadership. And at the very
time we need of -- it needs, as sort of some have suggested, a Winston Churchill type, there is a
OAKLEY: You are absolutely right about the vacuum, Becky.
But having seen some of these leadership situations before I remember how important it can be, the first speech, the first time you come out and
make your pitch for the leadership. If you get it wrong, you can kill your prospects there and then.
And so Boris Johnson, and Theresa May, the two leading candidates, will be working and working away now, trying to get the tone right, feeling
out opinion, every section of the party, trying to see where they can build support, and you know, they really know how much is riding on the next two
or three days and when they start appearing before the public.
So you can understand them in a way being a little bit reluctant to come forward, because no decisions are going to be made on the key
questions until we have a new party leader for the conservatives who will be prime minister.
ANDERSON: And David Cameron insists on that. All right, good stuff. Thank you.
Despite all the turmoil in Britain, could other countries follow suit and opt to leave the EU? Well, CNN.com -- this is a really important
issue, CNN.com looks at how anti-establishment sentiment does appear to be on the rise across the continent. And learn more about that and so much
more to do with Brexit and everything else that you need, head to CNN.com.
All right, well Britain has enjoyed a so-called golden era with China over the last few years with Chinese investment pouring into the country.
Now with the Brexit vote, China, like the rest of the world is assessing what the economic impact of all of this might be.
Andrew Stevens has more.
ANDREW STEVENS, CNN MONEY: The United Kingdom has made no secret of the fact
it wants to strengthen ties with China, pulling out all the stops for the visit of Chinese President Xi Jinping last year.
CAMERON: This marks the start of a new era. Some have called it a golden era in relations between Britain and China.
STEVENS: It got off to a good start. Xi flew out of London leaving a trail of deals worth tens of billions of dollars. But if David Cameron was
hoping for a new special relationship with China, Brexit has made it a lot tougher.
Britain is currently China's top destination when it comes to investing in Europe. 20 percent of all Chinese foreign direct investment
in Europe goes to the UK. That's now under threat.
SIMON BAPTIST, CHIEF ECONOMIST, EU: The UK were to finally exit, then I think Chinese firms, along with many others in Asia, would have to
redeploy some FDI into the rest of Europe.
STEVENS: With its strong financial infrastructure and pro-China politics, the UK offered China a doorway into Europe and a market of half a
billion potential customers.
But instead of building on that, China's leaders are now dealing with the fallout from Brexit.
China's Premiere Li Keqiang voiced those concerns at the World Economic
Forum's so-called summit Davos in Tianjin.
LI KEQIANG, CHINESE PREMIER (through translator): The impact is already demonstrating on the entire financial market. And it is adding new
uncertainties to the world economy.
STEVENS: Beijing has been pushing its corporations to expand globally. But instead of being at the heart of that, the UK may now have
to watch that expansion from the sidelines.
Andrew Stevens, CNN, Hong Kong.
ANDERSON: Well, you are watching CNN. This is Connect the World. I'm Becky Anderson. We will be back with you after this short break.
Don't go anywhere.
[11:27:13] ANDERSON: Welcome back. You are watching CNN. This is Connect the World, with me, Becky Anderson live from London for you this
Well, as passengers begin to filter back into Istanbul's Ataturk Airport, work continues to clean up in the aftermath of what was a terrible
terror attack that has left at least 41 people dead. The scene becoming all too familiar in Turkey, a country on the edge of Europe. And that will
only play into the fears back in the UK where security was a main issue in the EU referendum debate.
The leave campaign arguing by controlling immigration, the threat of terror would be reduced. On the other side, the remain camp sees the EU as
an early warning system and data-sharing consortium.
So, which is it? Is Britain safer in or out of the EU? For that, I'm joined by -- excuse me as I drop my phone -- I'm joined again by Farwaz
Gerges, a professor of international relations at the London School of Economics and political science, also author of ISIS a history.
And Robin Oakley, a CNN political contributor.
And Robin, it is -- it was true that security certainly from the group up
voices in this referendum debate very high up the agenda. I'm not sure it was necessarily what everybody voted on, but it certainly would have
persuaded some people.
OAKLEY: Yeah, elections and referendums are rarely decided on key foreign affairs issues. It's usually the money in your pocket is a bigger
decider, or an issue like immigration. But certainly there were strong arguments about
security. And those who wanted to remain argued very strongly that at a time when President Putin in Russia is flexing his muscles over Ukraine and
issues of that kind that it was all the more important for Europe to stay together.
ANDERSON; Given what is going on across the Middle East and elsewhere, and given these terrible atrocities that we have seen in Europe
over the past couple of years, how important is data sharing do you think between countries? And
does it work?
GERGES: It's very, very important. In fact, if you listen carefully to what the Americans are saying, Americans are really anxious about what
is happening now between the UK and the European Union. They're anxious about the question of terrorism, about the question of refugees, about
economic meltdown. And also at the, you know, the rise of Russian projection of Russian power.
The Americans believe that Britain has been a cornerstone in the international system, in the security of the international system. And the
exit of Britain from the European Union would create a major vacuum not just in terms of data sharing, not just in terms of really the fight
against terrorism, but also in terms of security vacuum and strategic vacuum vis-a-vis the Russians and
ANDERSON: And I'm wondering, then, whether the UK can negotiate a way of maintaining security ties, or even, Robin, if they want them with
Europe, for example, because so much talk about the inadequacy of the cross-border security, the sharing of intelligence.
And I'm thinking about the attacks in Brussels specifically, and in Paris, where there was a lot of horror about just how little was known.
OAKLEY: There have undoubtedly been weak spots among particular European countries in terms of the exchange of data on security questions.
There is no doubt of that. But I think there were many people in the remain camp arguing at the same time that there have been very real
benefits from the links that do exist. And they feel that they can only weaken. You know, there is no possible way that they actually increase
with Britain departing from the others.
GERGES: You know, I mean, I mean if you ask me, on the Middle East and
international relations I had never imagined in my life really to see the United Kingdom -- this is really where liberalism is deeply entrenched --
the rise of local identities, the longing for the golden days of the past a blowback against
globalization and the marginalization of millions of people.
In many ways, what's happening in the Middle East even though on a greater scale is really a backlash against globalization. It's a basically
a revolt against the status quo, both religious and political leadership. And that's what we're seeing.
In Britain and elsewhere -- in France and Italy and Germany, the rise of local identity is longing for the golden days gone.
And also the parochial identifies that could do a great damage here in Britain and throughout the world.
ANDERSON: To both of you, always a pleasure. Thank you, chaps.
All right. Well, there were little babies crying, people shouting, broken glass, and blood all over the floor. That is how one witness
described the horrific scene at Istanbul's airport, international airport, after three attackers blew -- opened fire and then blew themselves up.
Turkish officials suspect ISIS was behind that terror attack although no one has claimed responsibility.
At least 41 people were killed, hundreds of others were wounded. Nima Elbagir reporting now from the scene.
NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The first detonation was back there at the pick up and drop off point. The force of the blast
ripped apart the tarmac. Authorities have now shielded that, they are barricading that from public view.
But the blast traveled, you can see, all the way back here, where it ripped open the glass walls of the arrivals hall, ripping the ceiling tiles
out. And this is what was raining down on the heads of those terrified passengers attempting to flee for their lives.
And on the ground around our feet are still shards of glass from that impact. Through the doors where you can see now passengers lining up to
catch their flights, this is where passengers yesterday ran out screaming, tracking bloody footprints as they attempted to save themselves and those
Turkey has been reeling for months now from a series of terror attacks, and that is why they are working so hard to try and put this
airport back together, to try and return to some semblance of normality.
And as the Turkish president and prime minister said when they addressed their nation, not allow those who would seek to disrupt, who
would seek to terrify to win.
Nima Elbagir, CNN, Istanbul.
ANDERSON: All right.
Well, there is clearly absolute carnage inside there, wasn't there? We are joined now by someone who saw that terror unfold. Moira Vural (ph)
was at the airport when it came under attack on Tuesday night. She is on the line now from Istanbul.
Just describe what you saw. What happened?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, first of all I was at n the check in base when I suddenly heard this like popping. And I thought that can't be guns,
it doesn't really happen, you know. And I looked, and I could see people looking ahead, and they were also wondering, and suddenly stop, turned and
ran. But it was really quite silent besides the bullets and the major explosion, it was kind of a hush, you know?
So, what I did was I hid under a check in desk with two little (inaudible) ladies. And we cowered there sticking out of the desk
wondering if anyone would come around. And then we could hear bombs. And after a few bombs -- probably
the three, we called and we went back into security -- the secure area, you know, where the police are, where the transit would be.
And from there we...
ANDERSON: And were people -- sorry, go on.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sorry?
ANDERSON: Sorry. I interrupted you. And from there, what happened?
UNIDENTFIED FEMALE: We were take ton to a secure area right down into the bowels of the airport like five stories down. That said, we were
separated from one of my friends. I had two friends -- I have two friends from overseas who had come to visit me. So, we were separated from one and
with the other, we went down the five flights of stairs to a huge room what was probably a canteen for
the workers. And we sat there, but of course we didn't know it was going on. In the den, people were very quiet, very calm. There were a few
(inaudible) of people, but generally things were quite calm.
No information, you know, terrorist attack. You don't really know where they
are coming from.
And from there we were led out of the airport.
We actually couldn't find our friend for like two and a half hours until my son who was following the news broadcast saw her on CNN and told
us where she was, so that's how we found her.
ANDERSON: Moira (ph), this is now what, 12 hours nearly later. How do you feel now?
UNIDENTIIFIED MALE: Yes. Kind of remarkably calm. You know, it's one of those things that you always wonder, you know, what would I do? And
I found -- yeah, as I was back at the airport now -- I had to go and change a tickets because of course the friend couldn't catch the plane so we had
to go change the ticket. And the airport is really crowded, really busy. Last night it was very empty. There weren't many people at all. But today
it was crowded. It was busy. Beople were buzzing about. How do I get my ticket? Where is my bag? How do I find my passport?
Because of course people just left stuff as they ran. And, you know, when you first walk in it is a bit...
ANDERSON: How -- how do you feel about living there and using the airport in the future?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know, living here compared to many countries that I have lived, including South Africa, there is a lot of -- you know,
here I have -- I feel very, very safe in terms of you know crime, in terms of being a woman walking around late at night, all of these things. I feel
very, very calm.
You know -- now the airport I will go back to, I'll go back to, because you have no choice. You know, this is what life is. You know?
Yeah. I'd go back.
ANDERSON: Moira (ph), we really appreciate you talking to us today. And I'm sure your words when you suggested that you feel very safe and that
you feel very calm are reassuring to many people. Thank you.
Clearly a very, very frightening experience. Turkey's international airport
has several layers of security, and is considered to have better defenses than most airports in Europe. So the attacks underscored just how hard it
is to protect so-called soft targets from terrorists.
I'm joined now by deputy head of mission for Turkey here in the UK.
Firstly, our condolences. I know there are still something like 239 people -- or 100 people still in hospital, 239 injured. And so many people
who lost their lives.
Firstly, at this point, what can you tell us? What do authorities know about the men behind -- men and women -- if that were the case --
behind this attack?
CEM ISIK, DEPUTY HEAD OF MISSION, TURKISH EMBASSY: Well, as you have pointed out in your program, 41 people have lost their lives, 239 people
are injured in hospital, some of them are still in the hospital.
The investigation still continues as we have declared a national day of mourning. And the preliminary investigation -- preliminary indications
point to Daesh, in fact.
[11:40:04] ANDERSON: Why? Because I have to ask this, given that sadly there have been so many attacks, not just in Istanbul, but in Ankara,
and I know there has been a claim of responsibility from Kurdish insurgents as well.
So, what is it about this that makes the authorities in Turkey convinced this is an ISIS attack?
ISIK: Well, with the -- as I say the preliminary indication is Daesh. And as you know, Turkey is an active member of the anti-Daesh coalition.
We have our air spaces open. We have our airbases open. And we also contribute in other ways to the fight against Daesh.
And I can say that of course -- but that's why Turkey is a target. Unfortunately, we have -- we do battle with more than one terrorist
organization at the same time. We don't differentiate between terrorist organizations such as the PKK or Daesh. And I must say that of course this
is -- to us, this is no different to the bombings in Brussels or Paris for that matter.
ANDERSON: And we've been reporting on the similarities, the stark similarities between, for example, the attack on the airport in Brussels
back in March and that which happened at Ataturk airport last night.
I wonder whether Turkey regrets the ease with which foreign fighters have been able to go across the border between Turkey and Syria now for so
ISIK: I would -- I would actually put it differently. Turkey has labeled Daesh a terrorist organization with this or that name since 2005,
actually much sooner than some of our allies and members of the anti-Daesh coalition.
Turkey had actually quite a lot of efforts in place. It had personnel. But it increased the personnel. It had border patrols, had
increased border patrols. Had the UAVs in place. We have done quite a lot in the past as well. You must give us credit for.
It is a difficult border to maintain, 991 kilometers of border with Syria. And we have worked against foreign terrorist fighters, stopping
their activities, stopping the crossings, worked against also their finance, targeting their
ANDERSON: And that we are -- we are well aware of that. And you are very right to point that out.
I do wonder now how or what more can be done to prevent these sort of attacks given that the world is being told that ISIS is on the run, these
sort of spectacular -- and I use that word in its worst possible way, it's these sort of spectacular type of attacks that may be its MO going forward.
And Turkey in such a difficult position were that to be the case.
ISIK: Well, I think this -- this attack demonstrates -- the fact that it took place in the holy month of Ramadan, didn't discriminate between
men, women, and children. It was done with suicide vests, as we understand, with AK-47 attack rifles just goes to show that it is not
terrorism doesn't differentiate between its victims and it doesn't hold any value here, including -- including religion.
So, I think it points to the fact that we must remain strong, resilient, and we must work together. It...
ANDERSON: To that end, to that end I wonder whether you think that the comment for the first time by President Erdogan that ISIS is now the
number one enemy -- whether you feel that is in any way a change of policy a change of direction, a change of policy, a change of direction, a change
of focus when in the past we've heard that it's ISIS, it's other groups, it's insurgency, domestic terrorism. Is this an indication that the
Turkish president is now wholeheartedly throwing his weight behind the coalition that is got ISIS in its cross hairs?
ISIK: I think Turkey has always put its weight wholeheartedly behind the fight against terrorism.
ANDERSON: I'm talking about Daesh specifically, sir, now?
ISIK: Yes. The issue -- Turkey does not have the luxury of differentiating really too many between -- we to find -- you have to
understand that Turkey has a fight against the Daesh, have a fight against the PKK, has a fight against the HKPC, these are all terrorist
organizations, these are all prohibited organizations.
And unfortunately we don't have the luxury to pick and choose. And we have -- our track record is certain on this. We implement the UN Security
Council resolutions. We target their financing. We have strong stringent controls at the borders, at the airports, at the bus terminals. It -- I
think this only -- this would -- this is not going to take anything away from our resolve, which
was always there.
I think it points to the need to international cooperation increased cooperation, increased -- more efficient, effective cooperation,
intelligence sharing, information sharing and a united stance against terrorism.
[11:45:41] ANDERSON: I'm delighted to have had you here with me today. I know it is a very busy time in the UK for everybody. Clearly it
was important to have you on. AnI i very much appreciate that.
Chairman Isik, who is the deputy head of mission for Turkey here in the UK. Thank you, sir.
ISIK: Thank you.
ANDERSON: Live from London, this is CNN. You are of wag Connect the World. We will be right back after this very short break. Stay with us.
AMIR DAFTARI, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Andrea Neale is an accidental entrepreneur.
Her Nairobi start-up was born from a hobby.
ANDREA NEALE, WASA & SPROUT: I found this thing that I love to do.
DAFTARI: And inspired by others.
NEALE: My friends wanted some furniture for our home. And another said why don't you turn it into a business?
DAFTARI: Her business, Wasa & Sprout, produces high-end furniture from recycled wood and colorful African fabrics.
Tables sell for $200, chairs for around $50.
The company started in 2014 after Angela created some furniture for her home.
NEALE: Friends came over and said Angela, can I have one of these. And we did. And it worked out, so we made a bed, a table, some benches.
It just started from there.
DAFTARI: Word spread and orders grew. And with the money earned, Angela's next step was to create a permanent carpentry workshop.
NEALE: Using the recycled wood has been an eye-opener for the Kenyan carpenters. They'd been worried about using recycled wood. Why would you
want to use wood that has got holes in it. And also they have learned from me.
DAFTARI: but to expand the business, Angela needed to find customers behind her circle of friends. Her solution: a showroom with a difference.
NEALE: The cafe is maybe where you see it all and maybe get a feel for it. The tables, they might not be the design you want, but it kind of
gives you a feel of what you will get when you order from Wasa & Sprout.
DAFTARI: The beauty of Angela's approach to growing her customer base is it generates additional revenues, and provides an opportunity for other
aspiring local entrepreneurs.
[11:50:01] NEALE: A lot of clever creative artisans who are doing amazing things. Their art work is on the walls, out by my fellow Kenyans.
Someone makes lip balm, another lady makes candles, it's all Kenyan-made.
DAFTARI: What I particularly notice, and I don't know if these are for sale, but the lampshades you have are quite interesting.
NEALE: Oh, yes, those are from lake Victoria. Made from fishing baskets, yeah.
DAFTARI: They're actual fishing baskets?
NEALE: Yes, they are.
DAFTARI: So, this is what, like, fisherman use to...
NEALE: Yeah, yeah, to fish in the lake.
DAFTARI: Wasa & Sprout currently sells around 20 pieces of furniture a month. In the short-term, Angela says she needs to reinvest in her
workshop, buy more equipment, and employ more carpenters just to keep up with current demand.
Longer-term, she's already eyeing the next stage of her business expansion.
NEALE: I feel more Wasa & Sprouts shops or workshops around Nairobi, even maybe east Africa.
DAFTARI: Angela's start-up journey shows the value of a good product, and an innovative tailored approach to business growth. Not bad for this
amateur furniture maker and accidental entrepreneur.
Amir Daftari, CNN, Nairobi.
ANDERSON: Right, you're back with me in London. Why? Because, well, we are doing Brexit for you.
You are watching Connect the World. I'm Becky Anderson.
While European leaders were meeting without the British Prime Minister David Cameron, Scotland's first minister was in Brussels earlier today
talking to those leaders about potential avenues for Scotland to remain in the European Union. Back home, some worry Brexit will hurt business.
CNN's David McKenzie got a taste of one export whose future is now uncertain.
DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hand-rolled oatmeal pancakes (ph). They have made them here at Fisher and Donaldson Bakery for
nearly 100 years.
You don't get any more Scottish than this.
SANDY MILN, BAKERY DIRECTOR: You don't get any more Scottish than that. Absolutely as traditional as they come, and very hand drafted.
MCKENZIE: Sandy Miln has grown this family bakery into a thriving business that employs more than 100 people.
Would a Brexit affect your business?
MILN: I just don't know. i don't know. I'm not sure that -- I'm not sure the electorate got all the answers before they made the decision.
MCKENZIE: But uncertainty is a bad thing.
MILN: Uncertainty absolutely is a bad thing.
MCKENZIE: The bakery holds a hard-won royal seal of approval. So, when the queen, or royal family is in Scotland and wants oat cakes, apple
pie, or some short bread, they call on Miln. But his loyalty is being tested.
So, would you rather be part of Europe or supply the royal family.
MILN: I would rather be part of a happier to be part of a European family, although the queen is right up there.
MCKENZIE: There is very real possibly that Scotland, along with the rest of the UK, could lose tariff free access to the continent with Brexit.
Around 20 percent of their product is taken from the bakery here and sent by distributors throughout the world. And one of their key markets,
of course, is Europe.
The access has uplifted the economy of Fife and helped make premium Scottish brands household names around the world.
Can I have a bite?
MILN: You can, indeed.
MCKENZIE: Oh, it's excellent.
But bakers like Miln don't want the door shut on their biggest future market.
David McKenzie, CNN, Fife, Scotland.
[11:55:21] ANDERSON: Right, in our parting shots this hour, if the chaos following the Brexit vote has you considering a move to somewhere a
little quieter, how about a change of address to Mars?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Four, three, two, one, fire.
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ANDERSON: Well, a noisy, fiery test fire of a rocket booster could put NASA one step closer to the Red Planet.
The American space agency hopes it will be able to send astronauts to Mars in the coming decades at least.
Get this, that rocket pumps out 3.6 million pounds of thrust, that's more than the power of 14
Boeing 747s each with four engines at full take-off power combined.
Well, if you think you might get a little bit bored up there, though, without much to do, don't worry, NASA wants to put you to work on Mars.
It's recruiting everyone from teachers to farmers with these retro posters, seems like a position you would like to fill? Well, learn more by heading
to our Facebook page. Facebook.com/CNNConnect.
Food for thought, there.
I'm Becky Anderson. That was Connect the World from London and the team working with me here and those around the world thank you for
watching. CNN of course, though, continues after this short break. Don't go away.