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[14:00:00] ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.
PAMELA BROWN, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, and thank you so much for joining me. I'm Pamela Brown, in for Brooke Baldwin.
And let's get straight to our breaking news in the race for the White House.
Republican Senator Bob Corkers is taking himself off Trump's VP short list.
Let's get straight to CNN's senior political reporter, Manu Raju, who just spoke with the senator.
So why now, Manu?
MANU RAJU, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER: You know, Bob Corker, as you -- spent a lot of time with Donald Trump over the last couple of weeks having discussions and actually submitting documents to Donald Trump about possibly being his running mate. Yesterday he did also travel to North Carolina with Mr. Trump as he introduced him before his rally.
But Bob Corker said it just - the timing didn't feel right. He said he's not really well suited to be a vice presidential candidate. He says that he's more of a policy guy and he probably would not be the best person for this job. And, you know, this comes as he was considered on a very, very short list, probably a handful of people being considered for the position.
He had a - we talked a little bit more about it. Here's a little bit more about what he had to say.
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SEN. BOB CORKER (R), TENNESSEE: You know, I think, you know, at age 63, you know, I know what I'm good at and I feel like I'm better suited for other kinds of things. And I think there are probably better suited people for this particular job for them.
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RAJU: Now, one of the things - one of the things that he's actually said that he could be better suited for is another job in the Trump - in a Trump administration. One possibly being secretary of state. I asked him specifically about that. He would not say specifically that he's angling for secretary of state, but he said that there are things that he could do well and that actually are more in line with his own interests. And, of course, he is chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which is one reason why a lot of folks were hoping that he would get picked because he does have that foreign policy knowledge that Donald Trump frankly lacks. So that was one reason folks in Washington in particular were pushing for Bob Corker.
Now, in one other note, Pam, is that Corker told me that he's likely to speak at the Republican Convention as well about foreign policy, so he's going to play a role going forward, but he's taking himself out of the running to be Donald Trump's running mate and so there are only a handful of choices left and not much time left for Donald Trump to choose his name, but one of them will not be Bob Corker.
Pamela.
BROWN: And that short list getting even shorter.
Manu Raju, thank you so much.
And, meantime, one day after the FBI director called out Hillary Clinton for being, quote, extremely careless with the nation's secrets, Clinton is calling out her rival, Donald Trump, for his business practices in a town he hasn't had a stake in since 2009. I'm talking about Atlantic City, of course. Minutes ago, Clinton slammed Trump, mirroring this political ad her campaign just dropped. It showcases how Trump declared bankruptcy four times over 20 years in the casino town.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: When this casino collapsed because of how badly he managed it, hundreds of people lost their jobs. Shareholders were wiped out. Lenders lost money. Contractors, many of them small businesses, took heavy losses, and many themselves went bust. But Donald Trump? He walked away with millions.
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BROWN: But the fallout from Clinton's own practices while on the job is far from over. The top Republican in the House had this reaction to the FBI finding that Clinton's use of a private e-mail server while secretary of state compromised the security of some classified information.
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REP. PAUL RYAN (R), HOUSE SPEAKER: I was on the ticket in 2012. After the convention, you get the full declassified information as part of transition, as part of being a nominee. I think the DNI, Clapper, should deny Hillary Clinton access to classified information during this campaign given how she so recklessly handled classified information. Director Comey's presentation shredded the claims that Secretary Clinton made throughout the year with respect to this issue. He laid out a case how the things she had been saying she had or had not done were false.
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BROWN: So let's get straight to Atlantic City now, where we find our senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny, who was there for Clinton's speech.
And, Jeff, it's clear that the Clinton camp is trying to move on from the e-mail scandal. She didn't even mention it today.
JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: She didn't at all, Pamela. She is trying to continue her theme of branding Donald Trump, defining Donald Trump. You know, we've seen several chapters of this. They're trying to essentially create a book before the Republican Convention here, to try and define him before he can define himself. That's why she came here to Atlantic City, to the boardwalk, where I am right now, and she, you know, really listed a series of businesses that he has been involved with that have gone bankrupt here. She even stood in front of some fading signs that said "Trump Plaza" to make her point more clear.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Now it's abandoned. You can just make out the word "Trump" where it used to be written in flashy lights. He had the letters taken down a few years ago, but his presence remains. He defaulted on those loans, didn't pay them back, and, in the end, he bankrupted his companies, not once, not twice, but four times. And here's what he said about one of those bankruptcies. "I figured," he said, "it was the bank's problem, not mine. What the hell did I care?"
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ZELENY: So, Pamela, Hillary Clinton focusing directly on Donald Trump and his businesses. They say she's not going to speak about the FBI investigation, the announcement, until after that House hearing tomorrow. But, you know, they don't want to step on the message. But the reality here is, Pamela, the message is already muddled because those House Republicans are holding that hearing. And the FBI investigation is the biggest worry now in the Clinton campaign.
BROWN: Of course. And what the director of the FBI had to say yesterday, saying that she was careless.
Trump was quick to respond to that, obviously, but also quick to respond to what she had to say during this speech. Tell me about that.
ZELENY: He was, instead, Pamela. Let's take a look at a tweet. I believe we have it. Donald Trump was tweeting a lot this morning, specifically about Atlantic City. And he said this, "Hillary Clinton should ask why the Democratic politicians in Atlantic City made all the wrong moves, Convention Center, airport, and destroyed the city." So he clearly is trying to spread some blame around here. Of course, Atlantic City has been economically troubled long before Donald Trump arrived, but he certainly did not help matters at all. So, Pamela, at the end of the day here, the Clinton campaign is
getting a bit of a licking, if you will, in trying to define Donald Trump. But it is being overshadowed by the continuing questions about her e-mail server. As you said, the FBI director called it extremely careless.
Pamela.
BROWN: All right, Jeff Zeleny, thank you so much for that.
And lots to discuss here. Joining me now is CNN political commentator Bill Press, who supports Bernie Sanders, former presidential candidate James Gilmore, who was the governor of Virginia and served as the chairman of the Republican National Committee, and CNN political commentator Kayleigh McEnany, who supports Donald Trump.
Thank you so much for coming on today. We do appreciate it.
And, Kayleigh, I'm going to start with you.
Senator Corker was just with Donald Trump last night. He was with him, his family. What would compel the candidate to pull out this way? Should he have done it before he went to North Carolina with Trump?
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: It could be a myriad of things. Maybe it's something in vetting. Perhaps, you know, he does believe he's too old and he would serve better as secretary of state. It could be any of those things. But, you know, the list is being whittled down. The contenders on it are incredibly talented, from Speaker Gingrich. You still have Jeff Sessions in there. You have Tom Cotton, Chris Christie. I mean the list is vast. It's being whittled down and these are the best of the best in the Republican Party and I think that's what matters.
BROWN: So what do you think, governor? Is this a surprise to you? What do you think happened here?
JIM GILMORE (R), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, I - I don't know. I don't think it really is my place to talk to Donald Trump about his vice presidential choices or Bob Coker about his decision. But I do think that your other point on Hillary Clinton is a very powerful one. You know, it's time to bell that cat and to point out the fact that she's - she's just trying to divert attention away from her own failings by just doing these violent attacks on Donald Trump.
But as far as Bob Corker goes, you know, he's just simply making the best decision he thinks is best for his service and his career and for the nation.
BROWN: Bill, what's your response, what he had to say about Hillary Clinton?
BILL PRESS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, first of all, I'd just like to point out, I think Donald Trump's problem is, as Bob Corker - Senator Corker, I should say, illustrates is finding somebody who will take the job. I mean Marco Rubio turned it down. There are orders - Ted Cruz has turned it down. Now Bob Corker has turned it down. The people that I talked to around Donald Trump thought that Corker was their strongest candidate. So I think people are seeing they don't want to be on the Titanic. They don't want to be on this sinking ship.
As far as what Hillary Clinton is talking about today, of course it's totally legitimate. Donald Trump has no political experience. He hasn't been governor, like Governor Gilmore. He hasn't been senator. He hasn't been in the House. He's been a businessman. So you look at his business record. That's totally legitimate and there are some real problems there. We're going to hear more about them.
BROWN: All right, Kayleigh, I see you nodding your head. Go ahead.
MCENANY: Yes, she's really grasps at straws here. We've already seen version one of the speech she gave today. That was a few weeks ago. She gave the - essentially the same speech again, trying to tarnish his business record, which is absolutely ludicrous. This is someone who's created 500 businesses. In all of 30 years, he's only had to resort to bankruptcy four times in Atlantic City. He's created tens of thousands of jobs. This is someone with a sterling business record. Someone who's done more for this economy than Senator Clinton ever has as a senator or as secretary of state. You know, she has a very lousy record and she has to divert from her own record, which is full of deceit, by putting aim on Donald Trump in a very limited place, by focusing on four instances in a course of 30 years of success.
[14:10:28] PRESS: We're talking about being -
BROWN: I want to bring in -
PRESS: Well, as we just - we're talking about becoming president of the United States. We're not talking about doing another Trump Tower somewhere in Chicago or someplace. We're talking about somebody who's got the experience and the knowledge and the world - world affairs and the domestic affairs to lead this nation.
GILMORE: Which -
PRESS: That's Hillary Clinton. That's not Donald Trump by definition.
GILMORE: Which -
BROWN: Governor.
GILMORE: Which Hillary Clinton - which Hillary Clinton is not. What we have seen now is she doesn't have the temperament or the honesty to be the president of the United States. That is made clear yesterday. And there's one more point. This is a time of great distrust in the United States of America of their government. Hillary Clinton is disqualified from the presidency because she cannot instill that trust in the American people, particularly after this - this shameful things that we've seen in the last couple days.
Yesterday, I called for the appointment of a special - a special prosecutor to conduct the rest of this review, not the attorney general who met with Bill Clinton and then deceived the people of the United States by pretending to defer this over to the director of the FBI, Comey. That's not her role. That's not his role. There needs to be a special investigator.
BROWN: Well, to be clear, I cover the Justice Department. She didn't do that. She just said she would accept what the FBI recommends, as well as the career prosecutors, which is par for the course for attorney generals.
PRESS: Yes.
BROWN: So do you agree with Trump, governor, that this was a bribe, that there was something going on that was shady?
GILMORE: That is not par for the course. Yes. I mean, look, this is shady. That - listen, I was the attorney general in Virginia and an elected prosecutor. This is not the job of an investigatory organization to bring - make prosecutorial decisions.
PRESS: I - Pamela -
GILMORE: It's the job of the attorney general.
BROWN: OK. Go ahead, Bill.
PRESS: Pamela, if I may. Look, James Comey - James Comey is one of the most outstanding law enforcement officials in this country, served admirably under George W. Bush. I think to slur the FBI and the James Comey on the part of Governor Gilmore is disgraceful. They had 165 agents working on this case. They worked on it for over a year. They looked at everything. And I know Republicans are holding on to this last hope that they could get the White House because Hillary would be indicted. Well, guess what, it's not going to happen.
GILMORE: Well, wait a minute, Bill - Bill, I haven't -
PRESS: So you've got to find some - you'd better find some other -- something to hang their hat on because Hillary's not going to get indicted.
GILMORE: Hey, Bill, I haven't - I haven't slurred or have slurred - I haven't slurred - I haven't slurred Comey yet, but I'll - but I'll - but I'll be happy to do so.
PRESS: You did. You said it was a rigged system. No.
GILMORE: The fact of the matter - listen, the fact - first of all, I know Comey well -
PRESS: What, are you implying that Comey lied (ph)?
BROWN: Go ahead, gov - Bill, hold on one second. Let's listen to what the governor has to say.
PRESS: Sure.
GILMORE: This is the - first of all, Comey has a wonderful reputation, but the fact is that the attorney general of the United States, after meeting with Bill Clinton, tried to divert attention away from her duty and her role by saying, well, I'll just defer to the - to Comey's decision. Number one, that's improper. And, number two, she knew what he was going to say, and so did the president. How could the president get on Air Force One and go to North Carolina yesterday if he didn't know? So the point is, we need a (INAUDIBLE) -
BROWN: Well, and to be clear, Director Comey said at the beginning of the press conference -
PRESS: All right, this is - here we are - here we are - here we go -
BROWN: No one knew what he was going to say.
PRESS: Exactly.
BROWN: That he -
PRESS: Exactly.
BROWN: He had made this decision in the last few weeks that he was going to stand alone and that - and he was going to make this recommendation to the Department of Justice. And if this was some big conspiracy, governor, why would he do it at a time that was set to be such a big day for Hillary Clinton with President Obama endorsing her?
GILMORE: Because they knew.
PRESS: No.
GILMORE: Because they were pretending that they didn't know. But every action shows that they did know.
PRESS: (INAUDIBLE) This is outrageous. That is outrageous!
BROWN: Go ahead, Bill.
PRESS: So here we go. This is a conspiracy - here's the conspiracy theory. This is my big (INAUDIBLE) of the year. What the governor -
GILMORE: Oh, well, look, we can - we can solve - we can solve this in two ways -
PRESS: Governor, it's my turn. My turn. My turn. My turn. I want the -
GILMORE: All right, well, I get one more bite at the apple.
PRESS: I want the American people to hear just what you're saying.
BROWN: Well, I want to bring in Kayleigh too.
Go ahead, Bill, and then Kayleigh.
PRESS: OK. All right. No, I just what the American people to hear what Governor Gilmore is saying, that the attorney general and the career prosecutors and the director of the FBI are all involved in some political conspiracy with President Obama to help Hillary Clinton become president of the United States. If you believe that, then you believe that President Obama was born in Kenya. That's the last conspiracy theory on the part of Donald Trump.
BROWN: And - and -
PRESS: It's time to accept the reality and to accept the truth.
GILMORE: No, you - no, you can't -
PRESS: Hillary Clinton was cleared of any improper activity.
BROWN: I do think it's worth mentioning as well that Director Comey is a Republican.
But here's my question to you, Kayleigh, he gave a lot of ammo to Donald Trump, saying that any reasonable person in her position would have not - should have known better, that this was extremely careless. Why, instead, did Donald Trump, you know, go talk about Saddam Hussein and go after Director Comey when he had all of this ammo to use against Hillary Clinton from what the director said yesterday, Kayleigh?
MCENANY: Well, he spent a long time in that speech last night stepping back and saying, you know, let's put aside the legal arguments. And I think Comey was entirely wrong on that because this was gross negligence. Many say, you know, extreme carelessness is the definition of that. But that's - let's put that aside.
[14:15:07] Donald Trump said last night, you have a sitting FBI director essentially excoriating Hillary Clinton, dismantling her defenses. She said she never sent or received classified information. In fact, she did 2,000 times. She never sent anything marked as classified, she changed the story to. In fact, she did 110 times. And most importantly, you had Director Comey say that there is a good chance or a probable chance that she was hacked. People she was in regular correspondence with were hacked by adversarial actors -
BROWN: He said it was possible. They can't rule it out. But, go ahead.
MCENANY: Well, it was possible. And he said it would be near impossible to find evidence of this because the way they hack it's in a way that doesn't provide evidence.
So you had him say all of this. And then to conclude at the end that no reasonable prosecutor would bring a case when you have - when you have Michael Mukasey and Alberto Gonzalez saying, wait, you know, maybe we would have brought this case. It is completely unreasonable and the American people sat back and it looked like a rigged system yesterday. It certainly did.
PRESS: Accept the reality - accept the reality -
GILMORE: It sure - it sure -
BROWN: Bill, go ahead. GILMORE: Wait a minute. Wait a minute, Bill, now it's my turn. Now
it's my turn.
First of all -
PRESS: I think Pamela decides that, governor.
GILMORE: Oh, I'm sorry, Pamela. Well, how about - how about a shot at it.
BROWN: Well, I will say, because it's two against one here with Bill, so I want to make sure it's balanced. And, Bill, go ahead. And, governor, I'll let you speak right after to be fair.
Go ahead, Bill
GILMORE: Thank you, Pam.
PRESS: I was going to say, of course, of course Comey - and, again, that's why I admire him. He called it just like it is yesterday. He was not praising Hillary Clinton. I mean he slammed her over and over. But he said at the end, and you cannot escape this, Kayleigh, and you can try to escape this, governor, is that he said no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges in this case. End of story. Case closed. Look for another issue, because the e-mail issue is dead.
BROWN: And, governor, just - just - I'm going to let you - give you your turn here, but there was a time when Director Comey used to be the attorney general, where he was filling in there. He was the deputy attorney general. As I said, he was one appointed by a Republican president. So you really think that the system is rigged and that there was something else going on? That this really wasn't his decision?
GILMORE: I think that it - it looks rigged. And, therefore, there are at least two ways that you can just resolve this and make the American people comfortable with what's going on. This is no attack on Comey. This is an attack on the attorney general, who diverted her responsibility away to Comey by saying that, well, that meeting with the Clinton - with Bill Clinton was nothing, so we'll just let Comey decide. When she knew good and well what Comey was going to do. And so did the president. So let's just resolved it. Number one, do I what I suggest, let's appoint an independent prosecutor to look over this -
PRESS: Oh, yes.
GILMORE: So that the American people can have confidence that it's on the up and up. And number two, just ask Comey and the attorney general, did he tell her before she made her announcement that she was going to defer? Then, of course, if they deny it completely, then we can move on with an independent investigation, with an independent prosecutor, and give some reassurance to the American people that their system is not rigged.
BROWN: OK.
PRESS: Now, Pamela, I just want to point out, that if the governor -
BROWN: Bill, very quickly, then we really have to go. Go ahead.
PRESS: All right, I just want to point out, what the governor in effect is doing is accusing FBI Director Comey of lying yesterday when he said, as you pointed out, at the time beginning of this news conference, the career prosecutors and the attorney general had no idea what he was going to say. I believe the FBI director. Obviously, Governor Gilmore does not.
BROWN: All right, Bill Press, Jim Gilmore, Kayleigh McEnany, thank you very much for that interesting, lively discussion. Appreciate it from the three of you.
MCENANY: Thank you, Pamela.
BROWN: And coming up -
PRESS: All right, thank you.
GILMORE: Thank you, Pam.
BROWN: Yes, absolutely.
Coming up on this Wednesday, breaking news out of Baton Rouge. Protests erupting after a deadly police shooting of an African- American man. Chilling cell phone video of the incident prompting outrage. And now we're learning the feds are taking over this investigation. We're going to take you live to Louisiana up next.
Also, a stunning accusation. The head of Fox News, Roger Ailes, being sued by a long time host of the network amid allegations of sexual harassment. CNN's Brian Stelter is following that story and we will have the very latest. Stay with us.
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[14:22:45] BROWN: Well, it has happened again. There has been another deadly police shooting of an African-American male, this time in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. And once again, the confrontation was caught on video. We want to warn you, the images are graphic and disturbing.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get on the ground! Get on the ground!
(INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's got a gun! Gun!
(INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They shot him?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, my (EXPLETIVE DELETED) goodness.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, he (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God!
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BROWN: Well, the deceased, 37 years old Alton Sterling, seen right here. Witnesses say he was selling CDs in the parking lot of a convenience store when a scuffle with two police officers erupted. The policemen were responding to a 911 call alleging that Sterling threatened someone with a gun. The Justice Department has already taken over this investigation and today the mother of Sterling's 15- year-old son choked back tears as she vowed his father's death would not be in vain.
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QUINYETTA MCMILLAN, MOTHER OF ALTON STERLING'S SON, CAMERON STERLING: Alton Sterling, regardless if you knew him or not, he is not what the mass media is making him out to be. This is an plot to try and obscure the image of a man who's simply trying to earn a living, to take care of his children.
With that being said, the individuals involved in his murder took away a man with children, who depended upon their daddy on a daily basis. My son is not the youngest. He is the oldest of his siblings. He is 15 years old. He had to watch this as this was put all over the outlets. As this video has been shared across the world, you will see with your own eyes how he was handled unjustly and killed without regard for the lives that he helped raise.
[14:25:47] What I saw last night from the real citizens of Baton Rouge will forever warm my heart. We are a complete community of individuals who will carry this burden and also stand together to ensure that this event will not go unjustice (ph).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: that's right.
MCMILLAN: It will not go unnoticed, especially for the future.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No justice, no peace.
MCMILLAN: I, for one, will not rest or not allow him to be swept in the dirt. I say again, I, for one, will not rest and will now allow y'all to sweep him in the dirt.
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BROWN: You heard from the - the emotional mother of Alton Sterling's son.
I want to bring in CNN's Nick Valencia is out - he was outside the Baton Rouge Police Station with reaction from the city's chief.
Nick.
NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Pamela, it is already an emotionally charged atmosphere outside of the Baton Rouge Police Department headquarters. A handful of activists coming here to protest the action of what they say was excessive force by two of these police officer on the force. The Department of Justice has launched a civil rights investigation. The U.S. attorney is also involved. Louisiana State Police will be assisting that.
Those activists I spoke to, they say that they're frustrated, concerned, angered that something like this would happen here. And what they mean by that is another black man shot by a white police officer.
Here's what we know happened. We know that Alton Sterling was outside the Triple S Convenience Stores in Baton Rouge selling CDs just after midnight. That's when an anonymous 911 call came in saying that Sterling had a gun and that he was pointing it at someone. Now, we know from cell phone video that we obtained of what happened from at least one perspective. Now, that perspective shows Sterling being taken down by two police officers, dragged to the ground. While he's on the ground, we hear someone, presumably the police officers, one of the two, say "gun." That he has a gun. That's when you hear multiple gunshots. According to records, Sterling was found with gunshot wounds to his chest and back. Police officers did recover a handgun from Sterling's body.
Now, I talk about those activists that are frustrated with the process of how this has all been handled by the police department. There are other perspectives and other video, including surveillance video from a convenience store that has not been released to the public. Earlier, at a press conference, the police chief here in Baton Rouge addressed some of those concerns.
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CHIEF CARL DABADIE, BATON ROUGE, LOUISIANA, POLICE: Anytime you have a loss of life, that bothers us. And we want to know what happened. We want to know the truth and we want to get to the bottom of it. And as chief I am accountable for everything that my guys -
QUESTION: Is there something (INAUDIBLE) on the video that's troubling to you?
DABADIE: The fact that someone got shot. That - that's always troubling. And that's important to us. And we want to get to the answers, to the bottom of the answers and the truth. And that's what our investigation and why we felt it best for an independent and transparent investigation, for the U.S. attorney to take it over.
(END VIDEO CLIP) VALENCIA: The Baton Rouge police chief there responding to the media.
It took more than 48 hours for the police to make a public comment about that. The mayor has still not yet spoken. We should mention that Sterling does have a criminal history. No known warrants or active warrant for his arrest mentioning that. We should also mention that two of those police officers, the two involved, Howie Lake and Blane Salamoni, seven years - just seven hours combined of police experience between them.
[14:30:04] And we should also mention that Howie Lake was involved in a separate officer-involved shooting in December of 2014. It's unclear if he discharged his weapon in that situation and we still don't know
