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James Comey Testifies Before Congress; Protests and Calls for Justice from Baton Rouge, Minnesota; Britain's Next Prime Minister Will Be a Woman. Aired 11a-12p ET

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[11:16:21] BECKY ANDERSON, HOST: Hello, and welcome to Connect the World. I'm Becky Anderson in Abu Dhabi. And you've been listening to FBI Director

James Comey defending his decision not to recommend charges over Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server while she was secretary of state.

Now, Comey reiterated to a congressional committee that while Clinton showed great carelessness, he didn't see evidence that she knew she was

doing something against the law. And he says there is no reason to think she lied when she was questioned by the FBI.

Let's get you more. Let's go to Evan Perez in Washington.

This is an ongoing testimony expected to last possibly as much as two more hours. At this point, Evan, what is upshot of what we've heard?

EVAN PEREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the upshot here is that Jim Comey, the

director of the FBI, is showing why he is one of the most politically skilled people here in Washington, certainly probably more skilled than

anyone in that room, anyone who is asking questions of him.

He is defending the decision of the FBI not to seek charges or not to recommend charges against

the Justice Department -- and of course the Justice Department has now accepted that recommendation.

And I think the key part of his testimony is pointing out what went into that decision. And that is what did Hillary Clinton know about what they

were doing when they were setting up this private server when she began her role as secretary of state, and whether or not she -- whether she knew this

was not a proper way to handle classified information.

And what he found, he said, is that she simply was not intending to violate the law. Now, a lot of people are not believing this. And certainly the

Republicans in that room will never ever believe that.

But I think a couple of things that came out of this hearing is simply they were able to get Comey to admit that Comey did not -- they did not

investigate whether or not Clinton was telling the truth when she testified to congress last year.

Now, the chairman of this committee has now told Comey that he can expect a letter from congress asking Comey and the FBI to investigate that.

So what this means, Becky, is that now we're going to get another bite at this apple. We're going to have another period of months where the FBI

might have to take a look at whether or not Clinton was telling the truth when she said that she didn't send or receive emails that were marked as


We now know from the FBI that there were at least three emails that contained markings indicating classification. So, now we're going to have

a little bit more drama, if you will, for the FBI to look at.


So, Evan, what has been, and is likely to be the impact of all of this on the presidential campaign as we turn towards the conventions and an onwards

looking until November and the election?

PEREZ: Look, I think the political impact you are seeing already. The fact that Donald Trump is going to say that Clinton has benefited from

rules essentially that don't apply to regular people. And I think there is a sentiment there. There is a sentiment here in Washington that an average

person who did something like this probably would get into a lot more trouble.

The fact is, this is a woman who is running for president. She probably will not face the consequences that you normally would get, which is a loss

of your security clearance, perhaps even getting fired from your job, none of those things are going to happen to her because of the American public

votes her into the White House she can decide whether or not obviously which of her aides and she is obviously is going to have access to

classified information.

So the consequences likely will not be there.

But I'll tell you this, Becky, one of the things that's happening today -- and you are seeing this already happen, Republicans on this panel are so

outraged about what Comey did, that he failed to recommend charges, that they're that they are overplaying their hand. And so you can very well

expect that this is going to -- there is going to be a backlash on them as well.

As you know, these types of hearings have backlash against some of the people who sometimes overplay what they have in front of them.

Comey has a very strong reputation in this country. And I think he's doing -- he's showing why that is right now.

[11:20:41] ANDERSON: Evan, always a pleasure. Thank you, sir.

PEREZ: Thank you.

ANDERSON: And that's of course an ongoing testimony. More on that later.

Let's turn to a story that is causing anger across the United States and shock around the world. Two African-American men shot dead by police in

just the past two days. The shootings took place miles apart, and were captured in part on video. Now we feel it's important to show you what

happened so we will air parts of those videos in just a few minutes.

First, let me get you the latest on the reaction.



CROWD: No sleep.


CROWD: No sleep.


CROWD: No sleep.


CROWD: No sleep.


ANDERSON: Chants of no justice, no sleep -- protesters surround the governor's mansion in the U.S. state of Minnesota after Philando Castile

was killed by police during a traffic stop on Wednesday night near Minneapolis.

The aftermath captured on video by his girlfriend who was in the car along with a young girl.

Castile's death comes just a day after police shot and killed another black man, Alton Sterling, in Louisiana.

Well, CNN's Ryan Young joins me now live from Chicago with more on the shooting death of Philando Castille. We do warn you, some of the video

that Ryan is going to share is graphic and disturbing. So, I'm going to pause for a moment to let those of you who may not want to view this to

look away now -- Ryan.

RYAN YOUNG, CNN CORREPSONDENT: It's very shocking in terms of the video. It's about ten minutes long. And we've watched it several times,

obviously. All this captured because of a cell phone. And this has really opened people's eyes, because millions of

people have seen this video in the last few hours.



YOUNG (voice-over): Diamond Reynolds capturing the moments after her boyfriend was shot by a Minnesota police officer during a traffic stop.

REYNOLDS: We got pulled over for a busted taillight in the back. And the police (EXPLETIVE DELETED). He's covered. They killed my (EXPLETIVE

DELETED) boyfriend. YOUNG: Philando Castile's white shirt soaked in blood and in distress. They were pulled over, allegedly for a broken taillight

around 9 p.m. outside of St. Paul.

REYNOLDS: He's licensed to carry. He was trying to get out his I.D. in his wallet.

YOUNG: Reynolds livestreaming video from inside the car, with her 4- year- old daughter in the back seat.

REYNOLDS: He let the officer know that he was -- he had a firearm, and he was reaching for his wallet. And the officer just shot him in his arm.

YOUNG: The officer, still pointing the gun inside the car, explains why he opened fire.

REYNOLDS: We're waiting for -- I will, sir. No worries. He just shot his arm off. We got pulled over.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I told him not to reach for it! I told him to get his hand up!

REYNOLDS: Please don't tell me this, Lord. Please don't tell me that he's gone. Please don't tell me that he's gone. Please, Officer, don't tell me

that you just did this to him. You shot four bullets into him, sir. He was just getting his license and registration, sir.

YOUNG: Multiple officers at the scene ordered Reynolds out of the car, handcuffing her. Her cell phone falls to the ground, and she continues

pleading with police.

REYNOLDS: Please don't tell me he's gone! Please, Jesus, no! Please, no! Please, no! Don't let him be gone, Lord!

YOUNG: Eyewitnesses capturing this video of officers trying to revive Castile before he's taken to the hospital, where he died. Reynolds, then

put in the backseat of a police car, continues talking to the camera.

REYNOLDS: I can't believe they just did this. I'm (EXPLETIVE DELETED) -- (EXPLETIVE DELETED)!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's OK. I'm right here with you.

REYNOLDS: Y'all, please pray for us. Jesus, please, y'all. I ask everybody on Facebook, everybody that's watching, everybody that's tuned in, please

pray for us.

YOUNG: Reynolds says her boyfriend worked as a cafeteria supervisor at a St. Paul school, had no criminal record. Crowds gathering at the scene of

the shooting and at the governor's mansion demanding answers.


[11:25:04] YOUNG: And Becky, talking to people who live in that area, they're actually telling me so far things have remained calm. People are

praying to see what actually happens next.

But you listen to that video, you hear that small voice, that's voice of a 4-year-old girl. That's the voice of Diamond's daughter in the back of

that police car with her basically telling her mother it's going to be okay and she is going to be there with her.

This has really been astounding for people, because they have been asking all sorts of questions like was there a body camera? What happens next?

There was no body camera. The officers have been placed on leave right now. We know that he has been there on the force for about five years.

Lots of questions to be answered at the point, though.

ANDERSON: Yeah, what else have authorities said, if the anything?

YOUNG: Well, that's the part of this that everybody wants to see the next part.

we know the governor is planning to talk in the next hour or so. An independent group has been brought in to do an investigation. But for far

too many people that are seeing these actions across this country happening in different police departments. They want answers. And they want answers fast.

ANDERSON: Shocking stuff, Ryan.

All right, thank you.

Well, the shooting in Minnesota happened some 24 hours after another African-American man was killed by police in Baton Rouge in Louisiana.

Alton Sterling was shot outside a store on Tuesday. CNN's Nick Valencia has that. And a

warning, this piece also includes graphic and disturbing content.


NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The outcry over Alton Sterling's death growing as this new cell phone camera captures a different angle of the 37-

year-old killing at the hands of police.

In the video, you hear the initial shots fired, then the camera jerks away, turning back to show Sterling on the ground bleeding from the chest.

SANDRA STERLING, AUNT OF ALTON STERLING: I was hoping that he died peacefully and instantly. No, he didn't. He suffered. He was reaching

out and talking. It killed me inside.

VALENCIA: Moments later, another officer reaches down and takes what witnesses later say is a gun out of Sterling's right pocket. That gun the

reason why police say they were at the scene.

DISPATCH: he pulled a gun on a complainant and told him he couldn't be around there.

VALENCIA: A source close to the investigation tells CNN the witness who called 911 said

Sterling was, quote, brandishing a gun, not pointing it at someone.

CROWD: Hands up.

CROWD: Don't shoot!

VALENCIA: His violent death sparking protests across the country on Wednesday from

Ferguson to Philadelphia. Some protesters arrested for blocking the entrance to a major freeway.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We must love and support each other.

VALENCIA: Sterling's family meeting with Louisiana's governor who turned over the investigation into the Justice Department and the FBI.

UNIDETIFIED MALE: I have very serious concerns. The video is disturbing to say the least.

VALENCIA: Just hours earlier, Sterling's 15-year-old son Cameron weeping uncontrollably at a press conference. The teen crying out -- I want daddy.



ANDERSON: We want to look at why these kind of shootings keep happening. I'm going to look at why these kind of shootings keep happening. And we're

going to you some perspective on that in just a few moments.

I do, though, want to get you to another main story out of the UK today for you. And it feels like a slightly hackneyed phrase, but another chapter in

the political drama playing out since the Brexit vote in Britain.

We've had the results of what is the contest for at least the last two candidates for prime minister in the UK. Let's cross to London and CNN's

political contributor Robin Oakley.

Sir, what have we got?

ROBIN OAKLEY, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: Well, Becky, we now know that the next prime minister of Britain will be a woman. There are two women now on

the short-list which goes out to the 150,000 members of the conservative party. Theresa May, who led the first round of voting has increased her

vote from 165 MPs to 199. Andrea Leadsom increased her vote from 66 to 84 votes.

So, the person dropping out is the great schemer, the great manipulator of the current political scene, Michael Gove, the justice secretary whose

campaign manager had urged some of Theresa May's supporters to come over to him to stop Andrea Leadsom getting on the ballot paper for the conservative


But, no, it will now be a battle between those two women. And the key factor in all of this of

course may be that Andrea Leadsom made her name politically as a leading leave campaigner in the vote on the EU referendum taking Britain out of

European Union. Theresa May voted to remain, Becky.

[11:30:15] ANDERSON: Let's talk about Michael Gove before we talk about Theresa May and Andrea Leadsom.

There are those who all say that Michael Gove's behavior has been damaging, to say the least not just for the party, but for the leave campaign as a

whole, and possibly for the country.

This may also, one assumed, have damaged his own reputation given that he is currently the justice secretary in the government of David Cameron.

What's your perspective on this, Robin?

OAKLEY: It's very interesting, Becky, because Michael Gove presents himself as a politician for a new age with all sorts of schemes to change

Britain, to change capitalism, to change the way in which things are done. He was going to be a new wave prime minister, he said.

But the trouble is he plays politics the old-fashioned way with plenty of backstabbing, plenty of conspiracy.

First of all, he deserted his ally and friend David Cameron, the prime minister, to be one of the leaders in the leave campaign. Then, having

shared that campaign with Boris Johnson, who was expected to be the favorite in this conservative leadership campaign -- he stabbed Boris

Johnson in the back and said he wasn't fit to be prime minister. He worked closely with him. He wasn't up to the job.

So he, Michael Gove, had got stand himself, although he just saw this as a duty, it wasn't something he ever wanted to do.

People just didn't really believe that. I think he has suffered -- he hoped, perhaps that his ruthlessness would appeal, but instead his lack of

loyalty, I think, has played against him.

He is the only person who actually lost votes from the first round going into the second round. He lost two votes where all the others had gained

votes. And of the votes that were gained, of course, Theresa May took twice as many as Andrea Leadsom, so the movement seems to be with her,


ANDERSON: And let's talk about these two women who are left in this race. Echos of the 1980s, many people will say. And I was considering this

myself, when the pound was at the levels it was back in 1985.

Britain had a female prime minister, Margaret Thatcher, of course. Of these two remaining candidates, who is most likely to win? And should we

be drawing any analogies with them and Lady T this point?

OAKLEY: Well, any prediction you make in British politics at the moment, Becky, seems to get overturned within a day. But the evidence is clearly

that the momentum is with Theresa May. She is an experienced cabinet minister. She has held down one of the toughest jobs in government, that

of home secretary, in charge of the police and immigration, for six years. She is respected very much as a safe pair of hands.

Andrea Leadsom is somebody who nobody had really heard of until the leave campaign in which she performed effectively. She has a city background.

There have been stories in the last couple of days that she has exaggerated how big a wheel she was in the city, and some of her supporters overdid it

suggesting she had run teams of hundreds of people and handled billions of pounds.

Well, she hadn't really. But she has come through and she is projecting herself as something new and progressive in British politics, talking about

an end to austerity and a beginning of prosperity.

As to which of them looks more like Margaret Thatcher, well it has to be said that at the moment we know much more about Theresa May and she looks

the nearest thing you can find in British politics today to Margaret Thatcher.

Like Margaret Thatcher she is a workaholic. Like Margaret Thatcher, she doesn't do much by way of jokes. She doesn't go around to the tea rooms

or the bars slapping people on the back and cheering them up. She has got a small coterie of people around here. She just basically gets on with the


And I think one thing that will play for her in a curious way is that Kenneth Clark, who was a minister back in Margaret Thatcher's day was

overheard when he didn't think he was being recorded waiting for a TV show -- that's the former finance minister and chancellor of the exchequer. He

said Theresa May is a bloody difficult woman, but good.

And Theresa May is now playing on that and saying that the next person to find on a bloody

difficult woman will be John-Claude Juncker, the president of the European Commission, with whom

she expects to be negotiating, obviously, as Britain's prime minister, Becky.

ANDERSON: That's a wonderful line. Good for her to a certain extent. Who knows what will happen next, but clearly these two short-listed candidates

now go, as Robin rightly pointed out, to members of the Conservative Party.

And that is a September vote. And at that point, Britain will find out who their next prime

minister will be.

Robin, always a pleasure. Thank you.

Much more ahead, including on those horrible shootings back in the United States. I'm going to be back right after this short break. Please, don't

go away.


ANDERSON: Welcome back.

And returning to the shooting of an African-American man in Minnesota in the States.

Philando Castile was killed by a police officer during a traffic stop. We've seen the horrific aftermath that was live streamed on Facebook. But

Castile's mother says she can't bear to watch it. She spoke to CNN's Alyson Camerota this morning along with Castile's uncle. Here is part of

what was a very powerful interview.


ALYSON CAMEROTA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Thank you so much for being with us. Mrs. Castile, have you seen that video that we just played of this


VALERIE CASTILE, PILANDO CASTILE'S MOTHER: No, I haven't looked at the video because i know it's not a good thing to look at. I don't want to --

I want to remember him the way I last saw him leaving my home earlier that evening.

CAMEROTA: And how was that?

CASTILE: I don't understand.

UNIDENTIIFIED MALE: How was he feeling when he left?

V. CASTILE: Well earlier, I'll say about 2:00 he came to my house in order to go and get his hair done. And he came back. And we chitchatted, him

and his sister, and they had a conversation about the conceal to carry permits that they both have. And they were saying that, you know, to be

cautious. And my daughter said you know what -- I really don't even want to carry my gun because I'm

afraid that they will shoot me first and then ask questions later.

CAMEROTA: My gosh. That seems like some sort of omen to hear that.

Now, Mr. Castile, have you seen the video?

CASTILE: Yes, I have.

CAMEROTA: How do you explain what you see on that video?

CASTILE: I seen a young man, helpless, shot for no apparent reason. I saw my nephew shot by a man -- clinging to his life, you know, with no help.

It was the most horrific thing I've ever seen in my life.


CASTILE: We hear about things like this happening all the time around the United States and did world, you know, people being harmed and abused by

people that we are supposed to trust with our lives, people that are supposed to...

V. CASTILE: Protect and sever.

CASTLE: Serve and protect us. And they tend to be our executioners and judges and murders.

V. CASTILE: I basically think that these things are happening because there is no checks and balances in the justice system. And that a lot of

our African-American men, women, and children are being executed by the police. And there are no consequences.

So in essence, I feel like it's becoming more and more repetitive. Every day, you hear of another black person being shot down, gunned down, by the

people that are supposed to protect us. My son was a law-abiding citizen and he did nothing wrong. He had a permit to carry, but with all of that,

trying to do the right things, and live accordingly abide the law, he was killed by the law.

CASTILE: And it's devastating to us all.

V. CASTILE: I'm outraged.

CAMEROTA: we hear that. And that's understandable. And we understand why it feels as though we've seen far too many videos like this just the day

before your son was shot we saw one out of Baton Rouge.

We've seen so many videos like this, certainly, in my line of work. But this one, I have to tell

you, is different. And in part, it's because his girlfriend was live streaming it. And so you saw her reaction, you saw her 4-year-old

daughter's reaction in the back seat. And you saw your son's reaction.

Have you spoken...

CASTILE: All of it. All of that. All of that.

CAMEROTA: Have you spoken to his girlfriend?


V. CASTILE: We can't locate her. No one knows where she is. The last time I saw her is when

my daughter and I came up on the scene and she was in the back seat of the...

CASTILE: Falcon Heights.

V. CASTILE: Falcon Heights Police Department's police car. And they wouldn't even get us get close enough to her to even talk with her.

CAMEROTA: And you came up -- but you came up on the scene, Mrs. Castile, because you had seen this unfolding? How did you know what was happening?

V. CASTILE: No. We were getting phone calls. And my daughter was screaming in

the house. And I was like, what's going on? What's wrong with you?

CASTILE: The live streaming.

V. CASTILE: And the live streams going on.

I personally didn't see it. But I knew something was going on. And they were saying -- they were at Larpenteur and Rice (ph). But then they were

saying you can see a Falcon Heights sign. So I knew immediately that it had been to be Larpenteur and Snelling (ph).

And we rolled up on the incident and we couldn't get to her to talk to her. We were stopped by police and I asked them where was my son at? I didn't

want to talk to anyone. I just wanted to know where my son was because I didn't want my son to die alone.

CASTILE: I'm going to say that the help didn't come quick enough. And in a situation like this, it never does. I mean, the police are all hyped up

and the adrenaline is flowing, and you know, they are in a certain place in their minds. I mean, last thing they want to do is touch somebody, offer

some help. You know?

But from what I heard, they did later, you know, a few minutes later, they did try to revive him. But I wasn't there on the scene. I don't know how

quickly it came.

But from what I seen on the live stream, the officer was standing there with his gun still pointed at my nephew. I mean, the man, the man was

still standing there with the gun pointed at my nephew, screaming at him. And he was laying in the car, you know swelling up -- his arm swollen and

hanging off his body. And and -- blood everywhere. You know? I mean, it's hard for me to understand you know, what was going on through their

minds and things like that.

But what happened...

V. CASTILE: I just want to say that I appreciate Diamond streaming that video live because...

CASTILE: No doubt.

V. CASTILE: ...we never would know exactly what happened had she not put that out there like that.

And then for him to blatantly shoot into that vehicle with that child in there.

CASTILE: Exactly.

V. CASTILE: And that female.

And I know for a fact my son would never jeopardize his fiancee and the child by doing anything to provoke this officer to think that his life was

in danger.

CASTILE: No. He is a man. He's a man. He wasn't -- he's not an officer, he is just a man. An officer is supposed to protect and serve. He's not

an officer. That was a man who did that. That man is a destroyer.


CASTILE: And he came into our lives and done something and took something from us.

V. CASTILE: They took a very good person. And everybody that knows my son knows that he is a laid-back, quiet individual that works hard every day,

pay taxes and come home and play video games.

[11:45:16] CASTILE: Yeah.

V. CASTILE: That's it.

He's not a gangbanger. He's not a thug. He's very respectable and I know he didn't antagonize that officer.

CASTILE: None whatsoever.

V. CASTILE: To make him feel like his life was in danger.

CASTILE: Or threatened, threatened in any way.

CAMEROTA: Mr. Castile, the St. Anthony Police Department that was involved says in their 30-year history they have never had a police shooting. I

know that you have just talked about the police officer being hyped up. You do hear on that video, Diamond's video the police officer yelling.

How do you explain the state of mind that the police officer was in or what happened here that might have led to the police officer being so hyped up?


V. CASTILE: Trigger happy.

CASTILE: No. No. I wouldn't say trigger happy. I would just say that the mere fact that my nephew had a firearm in his vehicle. He had a CCW

permit, therefore he had the right given to him, the permission and the privilege of the state of Minnesota to carry a firearm on his person.

V. CASTILE: I think he was just black in the wrong place.

CASTILE: That could be true, but he had permission and the privilege to carry a firearm within this state. And from what I understand, Philando

told them that he did have a firearm.

V. CASTILE: I'm sure he did because that was something that we always discussed. Comply. That's the key thing. The key thing in order to try

to survive being stopped by a police is to comply. Whatever they ask you to do, do it. Don't say nothing. Just do whatever they want you to do.

So what's the difference in complying and you get killed anyway?

CASTILE: And we know there's -- we know if you take a conceal and carry class, you know there is a protocol when you get pulled over. You let them

know that you do have a permit and you have a weapon in your car.

V. CASTILE: And that's what he did.

CASTILE: And you tell the police please let your partner know I have a weapon in the car.

OK, now I'm supposed to get my driver's license. I reaching for my license or whatever. And then you unload -- they unloaded on him. That man shot


CAMEROTA: The video starts after the shooting.

CASTILE: Exactly.

CAMEROTA: But what do you think could have been happening in the moments before the shooting?

CASTILE: It's hard -- it's hard.

V. CASTILE: It's hard to say because you don't know what that officer's frame of mind was.

CASTILE: Exactly.

V. CASTILE: But I know my son, and I know that he took the classes and everything. And the main thing I'm trying to tell you is we know black

people have been getting killed -- women, children, men. And I always told them, whatever you do, when you get stopped by the police, comply. comply,

comply, comply. And if that man asked him to show his license -- and I know he verbally told him that he had that gun. There is no two ways

around that. And can't nobody in this world tell me nothing different.

CAMEROTA: Mrs. Castile, it sounds like you gave him all the right advice and encouragement. After we see shootings like this, you often see people

take to the streets. You see protests. We've seen some of that already happening in Baton Rouge. What do you want to see happen?

V. CASTILE: I would like to see...

CASTILE: Justice.

V. CASTILE: ...see justice.

CASTILE: That's all we want is justice...

V. CASTILE: That's all we want is justice. Because like I said he didn't deserve to be shot down like that.

CASTILE: No, not like that.

V. CASTILE: I couldn't believe it. I could never fathom in my life. I did everything right as a

parent. I made sure my kids understood the difference in being law-abiding and that the police were there to help. I never once in my life would have

thought that my son would actually be killed by the persons that are supposed to protect and serve him. And he is legitimate all the way across

the board.

You want to carry a gun? Go and get your license. And that's what him and his sister did. Everything he did was legitimate. He worked an honest job

five days a week.


ANDERSON: Well, some very powerful words there, and very telling, especially the mother saying the key thing in order to try to survive being

stopped by the police is to comply.

I want to remind you now just what happened to Philando Castile. He was pulled over during a traffic stop with his girlfriend and her young

daughter inside the car. The girlfriend began live streaming on Facebook immediately after an officer shot him, pleading for anyone watching to stay

with me as Philando lay slumped over, dying right beside her.

She also filmed her interaction with police as they ordered her into a police car where she

the girlfriend began live streaming on Facebook immediately after an officer shot him, pleading for anyone watching to stay with me as Philando

lay slumped over, dying right beside her.

She also filmed her interaction with police as they ordered her into a police car where she finally broke down and screamed in shock and anguish.



Keep them up! Keep them up.

DIAMOND REYNOLDS, PHILANDO CASTILE'S GIRLFRIEND: Where is my daughter? You got my daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Face away from me and walk backwards. Walk backwards towards me.

Keep walking.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Keep walking. Keep walking. Keep walking. Get on your knees. Get on your knees.

REYNOLDS: I can't believe they just did this. I'm (EXPLETIVE DELETED)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE; It's okay. I'm right here with you.


ANDERSON: And the little voice reportedly that of her 4-year-old daughter.

Joining me now from New York, criminal and civil trial attorney Eric Guster.

Eric, African-Americans are being hunted every day says Philando's mother. We are never free.

Eric, after we see horrific incidents like this -- and it seems it is sadly all too often -- we see protests on the streets. We have inquiries and

court cases. Philando's mom asking today, where is the justice? Do you have an answer to that?

ERIC GUSTER, ATTORNEY; Many in the African-American community do not feel protected

by police. It is a systematic problem in many communities not only of color, but many poor communities as well because the police in some of

those -- some of the police in those communities come in, they have militaristic type of setting. They don't listen to the residents. They

don't know the residents. But they come in not to protect necessarily, but some to harass and to do things such as this.

And that's why so many people are outraged about this video by both the videos. Number one, the Castile video shows the pain of a girlfriend who

was in the car with her boyfriend who was shot. Of course we don't know exactly what happened before this, but she gives a narrative in live

television, live streaming that says he was pulling out his license and the man shot him.

That is very powerful and very telling for what happened right during this -- right at the time

of this shooting. So many people are outraged about this and rightfully so.

And in the African-American community we have to teach our young people how to interact

with police. I'm a lawyer. I am one of the most well-known lawyers in the south. I'm from Birmingham, Alabama. When I was pulled over a couple

months ago for a traffic violation I was nervous. My heart was beating. It was racing like I ran a marathon because we are oftentimes afraid of the

people who are there to protect us.

ANDERSON: One American comedian/actor earlier, Eric, could not hold back his emotions when speaking to my colleagues at CNN. He fought back tears

as he talked about how police shootings affect him and his family. Have a listen to this.


D.L. HUGLEY, COMEDIAN: Every parent that I know, every black or brown parent I know has a conversation with their children when they tell them

exactly to act -- how to act around the police. That is abhorrent. That is immoral. Every parent I know.

My biggest fear -- my son who is millennial, and you know they don't have jobs so they obviously they live with me. But I don't even go to sleep

until my children come home, my grown children come home at night.

I keep my clothes on -- and my wife will tell you, I keep my clothes on in case my children need me in the middle of the day -- or in the middle of

the night. And I just do not understand -- we love our children. We love our parents, our mothers our fathers. They are brutalized and nobody says

anything. It's too much. It's too much.


ANDERSON: It's too much. It's too much, he said.

What does America need to do to make this stop, as Philando's uncle asked earlier in the interview on CNN? Is there an answer to that at that point

-- or at this point?

GUSTER: I don't know the answer to all of it. Some of it is systematic. Some of it -- so you have police officers in some communities who are

afraid of the people they are policing. So, that creates a very dangerous situation. There have been shootings -- I have a place in Brooklyn. There

have been shootings here where they were afraid of the people they are policing, which makes them trigger happy and afraid for their own lives in

unnecessary situations.

And just like D.L. Hugley said, which I watch that video and I was emotionally touched by it because what he is saying is so real. I have

nieces and nephews that I worry about every single day, them going out, them doing the right thing and possibly being shot and

harassed by police.

And I don't know many African-American men who have not been harassed at some point in their life by police or security personnel just because of

the color of our skin. And that is a reality that so many of us have to deal with on a daily basis. And things like this bring that to a boiling

point. And that's why people are reacting.

It's very interesting when I see situations like this and people are saying why are they doing this? It's based off of history and their history with

the police.

ANDERSON: So Banksy, who is a British artist tweeting a line today I saw which is being retweeted I know by many, many people on social media. And

it's simply this, "16 people in the U.S. have been killed by police in July this year." I think the statistics if I'm right in saying 118 were killed

by police in the U.S. in July of last year. Eric, sadly, too many people in the U.S. and around the world will be asking do black lives matter? And

to many, the awful reality seems to be that the evidence seems to suggest that they don't. And that simply isn't acceptable, is it?

GUSTER: It's not acceptable. Black pain oftentimes is not reveled and not looked at in the

same way as white pain. For example, you can take the zoo incident with the gorilla. There was a debate about whether or not they should have shot

this gorilla to save this little black boy. And all those things translate into everyday situations just like this where you have a man who was shot

and killed and now people are trying to question why was he out there selling CDs? This is ridiculous and so many in the African-American

community are sick and tired of it.

It's going to take more community policing, it's going to take police officers who know their communities, know the people in them and not be

afraid of them and therefore gain those people's trust and stop the harassment.

It is a multifaceted approach that needs to occur and it must occur now. And the black community is tired of it. We're sick of it. And now is the

time for us to change it.

ANDERSON: Are you optimistic that change is afoot briefly?

GUSTER: I am -- I am optimistic. These shootings happened within 48 hours or so. I believe that the change is going to come and that's why we have

to organize and really make change happen. For example, with the police body cams, that is one change that's a positive change. Aand now people

are utilizing cell phones and cameras in order to tell their story and exactly what happened from different vantage points.

So, it's very advantageous for us to do that.

ANDERSON: Sir, it's been a pleasure having you on. Thank you so much for your time.

GUSTER: Thank you.

ANDERSON: I'm Becky Anderson. That was Connect the World from Abu Dhabi. Thank you for watching.