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Dallas Police Officers Shot During Protest; Police Possibly Used Bomb Carrying Robot to Stop Dallas Shooter; Black Lives Matter Movement Profiled; Race Relations between Police Departments and Black Communities Examined; CNN Hero Adopts Old Dogs; Loved One of Man Killed by Police Interviewed. Aired 10-11a ET

Aired July 09, 2016 - 10:00   ET

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[10:00:40] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We got a gut on the run. We don't know where the hell he's at.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's four cops down.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At that point, I thought to myself, this is real.

BARACK OBAMA, (D) PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: There's no possible justification for these kinds of attacks.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're hurting. Dallas officers are hurting. We are heartbroken.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From day one he was a hero.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let's come together as a country, OK.

CROWD: Black Lives Matter!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God please don't tell me he's dead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want justice. I want people to know who did this to us.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I, for one, will not rest until adequate punishment I served to all parties involved.

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CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: It's been emotionally exhausting hasn't it? And we are happy to have you with us as we walk through the developments of the last several days and what's happening this morning. Good morning to you, everybody. I'm Christi Paul. Victor Blackwell is with us in Dallas, Texas, today.

VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: Christi, good morning. Good morning to you. I was in front of the Dallas Police Department headquarters here. We begin CNN Newsroom right now. And Dallas has been left reeling this morning after five of the city's finest were gunned down. It happened Thursday night. That attack happened after cops patrolled this peaceful march, this rally to protest the deaths of two black men during encounters with police officers. The rally was ending. Of course, the men were in Louisiana and Minnesota. But the rash of protests happening across the country. It happened all day Friday into the night.

Let's go to Phoenix where police used pepper spray and shot bean bags, pushing back protesters trying to overrun a freeway we're told. Three people were arrested after rocks were thrown at police. Now, there are more protests expected today, including some in Washington starting this hour. We're also waiting to hear from the president. He'll be speaking from Warsaw in about two hours from now. President Obama is cutting his European trip short, heading to Dallas, we're told, early next week.

Now, we are following the story from every angle of course. I want to start with Polo Sandoval. He has been tracking protests nationwide. Polo, good morning to you.

POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Victor, it was a very busy night across the country, mainly here in Atlanta. Much of the story is also in the numbers. An estimated 10,000 people, demonstrators took to the streets yesterday, yet only two people were arrested after they refused to get off the roadway.

And that really does speak to the level restraint that I personally witnessed, not just on the set of law enforcement but also among some of the demonstrators. When you see the pictures from the air yesterday, this is when this demonstration came to a head as some of these demonstrators tried to make their way onto the downtown connector you would find between downtown and midtown Atlanta. Officials made it clear that these demonstrators would have free range throughout the city if they want to march down the city streets as long as they stayed off the highway. About two hours into the very lengthy demonstration, many of these individuals tried to make their way on to the highway, and that's when state troopers moved in, blocking the roadway.

And this is what officials wanted to not see. This is early on, we heard from Atlanta's mayor Kasim Reed saying this would be a delicate balance. They want to ensure the individuals have the freedom and the right to assemble and to have their voice heard. When it came down to public safety, he wanted them off the highway. I want you to listen to the mayor as he actually took to the streets himself to make sure people got the message that they were free to stay on the road as long as they stay off the highway.

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MAYOR KASIM REED, ATLANTA: Right now I just to make sure all of you are safe. You have a First Amendment right. I respect that First Amendment right. The only thing I wanted to make sure that nobody got killed on our freeways. So I'm going to let you continue to protest. God bless you, I'll see you all later. (END VIDEO CLIP)

SANDOVAL: Atlanta's mayor making available a figure in civil right ambassador, Andy Young, even having him speak to some of these individuals, the ambassador there a former ambassador recalling when he walked with Dr. Martin Luther King on these streets. He said he never made it to the highways. So it's a reminder, Victor, for people as they continue to plan future protests not just here in Atlanta but throughout the country to at least stay off the roadways as really it's about public safety.

[10:05:08] BLACKWELL: All right, Polo, thank you so much for giving us a look at the scene in Atlanta.

I want to go back to the scene in Phoenix overnight and give you a real feel of what was happening there. I'll pause as we listen to what happened overnight in Phoenix during those protests.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have no animosity against you. Why do you want to hurt me?

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BLACKWELL: Again, the scene there in Phoenix, a pretty contentious protest here between officers you see there with the riot gear and many of the people who are calling for an end to the police violence, they call it, the brutality they describe it. We'll continue to look at the protests as they happen that are scheduled throughout the weekend. And one scheduled to start in Washington this hour.

But back here in Dallas I want to go to Baylor University Medical Center. That's where some of the shooting survivors were taken right after the shooting on Thursday night. They were there early Friday morning. Kyung Lah is there for us this morning. Kyung, good morning to you.

KYUNG LAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Victor. We understand there is at least one police officer who is still in the hospital here, and the last we had heard from the mayor is that all of the patients who were brought here, and it was a very hectic scene as the shooting was happening, but all the officers that were brought here who were wounded, they are expected to survive. They are been either through surgery, treated and released or in the process of being released, so that is some good news.

But it was a gut-wrenching scene outside here at Baylor University Medical Center as the police officers were holding vigil, waiting to hear what was going to happen to their fellow officers. Inside that emergency room, medical personnel were desperately trying to save lives, trying to save these officers. And we spoke to a doctor and a nurse who gave us a glimpse of what was happening as the officers were arriving.

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LAH: At what point did it start to dawn on everybody what was happening inside the city?

SHERRY SUTTON, NURSE MANAGER, BAYLOR UNIVERSITY ER: I think it was when the officers started all coming in and you saw their emotions and their frustrations, and just how sad they were, and just really one officer was -- he was watching the news and hearing what was happening out there, and the emotions he had because those were his -- that was his team out there that was being shot at.

And they -- he started crying when he was watching the news. I think that's when it hit me, oh, my gosh, you know, this could really be like Orlando. We have to prepare for the worst, and we don't know how many patients are going to be coming in or whether they be police officers or civilians. We have to be ready for these guys.

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LAH: And a little context, that nurse, her husband, Victor, is a Dallas police officer. He was not hurt in the shooting. Victor?

BLACKWELL: Wow. Wow. Kyung Lah there for us at Baylor University Medical Center. Thank you so much.

Just in, we've learned that a gunman has been killed in an officer involved shooting in the Houston area. If you're not familiar with Texas it's about a three and a half hour drive from Dallas.

According to the spokeswoman for the Houston police department, two officers were on patrol when they came across a moan standing in the street armed with a revolver. They told the man to put the weapon down. Instead he pointed in the air. That spokesperson said he pointed it at the officers. Both the officers shot the man, killed him. If we get more on that we'll bring it to you.

The standoff between Dallas police, though, and the gunman who killed five officers ended in what may be a first for law enforcement, the use of a robot. Have you heard about this, the robot carrying a bomb? Some have criticized that move, but earlier on CNN a law enforcement analyst Cedric Alexander said that he agrees with the Dallas police chief David Brown when he said that he really had no choice.

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CEDRIC ALEXANDER, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: I think it's important to understand in the context of the threat that the officers have to face out there today, whether it's in Dallas, Orlando, and certainly in San Bernardino, which is a very clear case of IED's being utilized by those who had field training in the Middle East, and that's the threat in which our police officers are up against. So sometimes they're going to have to make decisions and then we're going to have to do things that are different.

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BLACKWELL: CNN's George Howell expounds on that for us as a look at how robots are being used to keep men and women in uniform safe. Watch.

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[14:10:02] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's the robot going towards the IED.

GEORGE HOWELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Remote controlled robots have been used by the U.S. military in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to diffuse explosive devices. Here's a scene from the movie, "The Hurt Locker."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, look at that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nice 155.

HOWELL: And in recent years, some local police departments have invested in the technology to investigate suspicious packages and cargo. But in Dallas, a potential first in the United States, the delivery of an explosive device by a robot that was used to kill the police shooting suspect holed up in a garage. Negotiations to end the standoff had gone on for hours.

CHIEF DAVID BROWN, DALLAS POLICE: We saw no other option but to use our bomb robot and place a device on the -- its extension for it to detonate where the suspect was. Other options would have exposed officers to grave danger.

HOWELL: Police have not released the details of their tactic, what type of robot was used, information about the bomb and how it was detonated, or if the robot was present at the time of the explosion.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He could be picking up evidence. He could be picking up potential explosive devices.

HOWELL: Endeavor Robotics says it has sold robots to several police departments in the Dallas area but wasn't sure if their device was used Thursday night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our whole purpose is to keep people at a safe distance from hazardous conditions. We've seen that in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan with the IED threat.

HOWELL: Robots are expensive, with some costing more than $100,000. But local police departments say the technology is worth the cost.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Before a bomb technician had to climb into a suit, go down and take care of business, where now we can use the robotic system. It's made the job so much better.

HOWELL: George Howell, CNN Dallas, Texas.

(END VIDEOTAPE) BLACKWELL: And, again, Christi, the chief here, David Brown, said the shooter was hell bent on killing any officer that would come in any close proximity to him. So he had no choice but to use the robot with a bomb on one of the arms. And it was successful here, ended this standoff after several hours.

PAUL: It certainly did. Victor Blackwell, thank you so much.

I'm going to go back to Victor in just a couple minutes. But I want to tell you about a police officer in New Mexico. He says he lives in two different worlds. How he says serving his community as an African-American police officer doesn't always balance out. Stay close.

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[10:16:06] BLACKWELL: Welcome back, I'm Victor Blackwell in front of the Dallas Police Department headquarters here. And many of the conversations that we've had and maybe you have had over the last week have been along racial lines. Black Americans on one side, white police officers on another. But what about people who are black police officers? Well, my next guest is just that, and he says that he lives in two worlds, his characterization, worlds that often clash.

His name is Anwar Sanders. He is an officer in Albuquerque, New Mexico. He wrote an open letter posted on CNN.com back in 2014. And he says that since the death of Michael Brown, that was the context then, America has been in an intense debate over how law enforcement operates in communities of color. "I am an African-American police officer, a term that seems like an oxymoron these days, and like thousands of other black men and women who wear blue, I exist in two worlds." Officer Anwar Sanders is with us now. Sir, good morning to you.

ANWAR SANDERS, NEW MEXICO POLICE OFFICER: Good morning.

BLACKWELL: Tell me about these two worlds. Flesh that out a bit for me, the feeling of being a black officer in uniform, especially in the context of what we've seen this week.

SANDERS: Well, it's the institutionalized racism I keep referring to. We have to remember while I'm in uniform I go through the same discrimination I go through when I'm outside of that uniform. And I'm an advocate for both sides. Obviously I'm a police officer, but I'm going to be black way longer than I'm going to be a police officer, if that makes sense.

BLACKWELL: You know, there may be people who look to you for answers on how to bring two communities, two populations together. How do you answer those questions that may come from people who are outside of the uniform or from your department?

SANDERS: I think the first thing is acknowledging a problem. I feel like it seems like we're kind of disregard racism, like for some reason it doesn't exist anymore. And it's 2016. It seems like we should be far past it. But the very -- the reality is that it still exists. Racism is so real. It's subliminal. They don't even know they're racist. It's that perceived threat, why are black people so much more scary than white? It's just admitting that is very real. We keep seeing it being proven by these unfortunate events that are happening. It's just admitting there's a problem. I feel like we're talking about, hey, was there drugs in the car, hey, was there this. No, let's talk about hey, there's a real problem with racism right now.

BLACKWELL: Michael Brown's mother, Lesley, wrote an op-ed for "The New York Times" of course after the death of two black men this week, Alton Sterling, Philando Castile. And she writes this. Let's put it up on the screen. "It's a problem when you look to the law as a protector and it comes into your community and shoots people dead with no remorse or consequences. It's a problem that you have someone law enforcement trying to do the right thing, and then others who bring shame on the badge." There are a lot of people I'm sure who echo those sentiments and some who would have problems with it. From your perspective, how do you, at least beyond acknowledging the problem, start the conversation?

SANDERS: I echo what she said. I mean, these types of events as a law enforcement officer, it's so hard for us, because these things happen, and it's like, oh, my gosh I still have to go to work. And you know you're just going to take the backlash of someone else's mistake. And we look at those individuals when they make those poor decisions, and it's almost like, gee, thanks. Now look at what we have to deal with because of what you did.

[10:20:05] And it's unfortunate because there's so many of us that are out there that really want to do good work. And we're here for the community and we're here to help people. That's what we signed up to do. And then we have these guys making poor decision and we have officers getting killed that are innocent because of it.

BLACKWELL: Yes, all right, Officer Anwar Sanders, thank you so much being with us this morning, and thank you for your work and service.

What started as a hash-tag has turned into a rallying cry. We're going to take a look back at the birth of Black Lives Matter.

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BLACKWELL: Back live here outside of Dallas police headquarters. There are many people, families who are now coming here to see this memorial. I don't know if you can hear from my mic, Christi, the rumble of motorcycles. There was a group that came through with American flags on the backs of those motorcycles. A show of solidarity here from several groups throughout the morning.

PAUL: Yes, it is definitely something to see. Victor Blackwell thank you so much, Victor in Dallas there.

And a lot of people look back and think this started -- part of it started with the #blacklivesmatter. It was born through social media, outrage after the acquittal of George Zimmerman and the shooting death of Trayvon Martin. [10:25:07] And that's when the organization really made its presence

felt, and since then in demonstrations and protests following the deaths of African-American men in police custody. CNN's Randi Kaye takes a look to where we got here today.

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CROWD: Black Lives Matter! Black Lives Matter!

RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: What started with a hash-tag has turned into rallying cry.

CROWD: Black Lives Matter!

KAYE: The Goal, to shine a line on racial injustice.

MICHAELA ANGELA DAVIS, CULTURAL CRITIC/WRITER: This is the generation that wants to dismantle structural racism. This is the generation that wants to get at the core of it, that wants to get at the systemic problem.

KAYE: The Black Lives Matter movement was born after the shooting death of Florida teen Trayvon Martin when his killer, neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, was cleared of any wrongdoing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We the jury find George Zimmerman not guilty.

KAYE: After Trayvon, the deaths of African-Americans at the hands of police gave rise to more voices of protest. There was Eric Garner in New York and Michael Brown in Ferguson where the movement really began to take hold.

OPAL TOMETI, CO-FOUNDER OF #BLACKLIVESMATTER: The people, the local neighborhoods in Ferguson were willing to call attention to the issues, right. They were willing to put their lives on the line for Mike Brown and for their own future.

KAYE: Then 12-year-old Tamir Rice who had a pellet gun was killed by police in Cleveland.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The young man pulled a weapon out and that's when the officer fired.

KAYE: Activists say the list goes on, Tony Robinson, Eric Harris, Walter Scott, Freddie Gray. In most instances the officers were not indicted, fueling the anger and amping up the message.

ASHLEY SHARPTON MARCH PARTICIPANT: They need to take care of our country. The police are supposed to project us and they need to make sure that they ensure that.

KAYE: There are now dozens of Black Lives Matter chapters across the United States. And while some believe the movement has actually incited violence and worsened race relations, its founders disagree.

TOMETI: The reality is this is a peaceful human rights movement led by incredibly courageous black people. I think we're demanding justice and freedom for our people.

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KAYE: The controversial shooting deaths of two black men after encounters with officers has sparked so much emotion and outrage across the country. A lot of people calling for charge. And a lot of people wondering, does the change come regarding police attitudes or police training? Is it something within the community? We are live for you in Dallas, stay close.

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[10:31:01] BLACKWELL: President Obama will be speaking with reporters in a couple of hours. He's expected to of course comment on the deaths of five police officers here in Dallas. Authorities are trying to piece together how and why a 25-year-old army veteran who served in Afghanistan was able to shoot so many people from multiple locations in downtown Dallas. Now, a search of his home turned up bomb making materials and combat manuals. Police we know did something that has never been done before in this country, at least to our knowledge. To end a standoff they sent a robotic rover armed with a bomb to kill this gunman in his hiding place.

This is just the latest blow for the chief of police here, this event that happened on Thursday night. In six years the head of the force has been marred by tragedy. He lost his former partner, his brother, his son, as well. Sara Sidner has his story.

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SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The city of Dallas is reeling, horrified after Thursday's vicious ambush. The sniper's target -- police, particularly white police officers. Five police officers killed and seven others wounded after a gunman opened fire at a downtown Dallas protest over police killings of young black men. Amid the chaos and fear, a strong voice has emerged.

CHIEF DAVID BROWN, DALLAS POLICE: There are no words to describe the atrocity that occurred to our city.

SIDNER: Calling for peace, calling for respect, Dallas Police Chief David Brown must calm a terrified city. At the same time, he's dealing with the aftermath of the deadliest assault on law enforcement since 9/11.

BROWN: We don't feel much support most days. Let's not make today most days. Please, we need your support to be able to protect you from men like these who carried out this tragic, tragic event.

SIDNER: He is a 30 year of the Dallas police department. Few people know heartbreak, loss, and pain better than Chief Brown, who lost a colleague, a son, and his brother to violence. Six years ago, his own son killed a police officer and another man before police fatally shot his son more than a dozen times. Brown's younger brother was killed by drug dealers back in the 90s. He doesn't talk much about those losses. But now he must unravel what happened behind an unthinkable massacre.

BROWN: Through our investigation of some of the suspects, it's revealed to us that this was a well-planned, well-thought out, evil tragedy by these suspects. And we won't rest until we bring everyone involved to justice.

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SIDNER: Under Brown's leadership, the Dallas Police Department worked hard to reduce incidents of excessive force in recent years. Police trained to use Tasers instead of bullets in certain situations. Now, some of these officers are dead. And one man must help a city mend.

BROWN: In the police profession, we're very comfortable with not hearing "thank you" from citizens especially who need us the most. We're used to it.

CROWD: Thank you. Thank you.

BROWN: So today feels like a different day than the days before this tragedy, because you're here, because Dallas is a city that loves.

[10:35:14] SIDNER: Sara Sidner, CNN, Dallas.

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BLACKWELL: The tragedy in Dallas is the latest of course in a series of high profile shootings. Demonstrators were initially in Dallas protesting the police shooting deaths of two black men in separate incidents, Alton Sterling and Philando Castile. Those shootings like many others have some people calling for police policy reform, retraining for some departments.

Joining me now to discuss, defense attorney and Hillary Clinton Scott Bolden, and Art Roderick, CNN law enforcement analyst. And I want to start with you, Art. Scott, good morning to you, I should say.

A. SCOTT BOLDEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Good morning.

BLACKWELL: You just returned back from I think a place that is at the center of the conversation and discussion of should there be retraining. Tell us about that, and the conversations that are happening about law enforcement training.

ART RODERICK, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: This is -- I just recently came from the federal law enforcement training center. I spent six years there representing them in Washington, D.C. This conversation has been going on for several years, at least three years that I know of, regarding retraining law enforcement officers, trying to take away a lot of the militarization and get back to serving the public. But you have to have both. There's got to be a balance here. Because of incidents like we had here in Dallas, you have to be ready to arm up. But you also have to learn how to serve the public.

BLACKWELL: Three years this conversation has been going on.

RODERICK: It has.

BLACKWELL: Has there been any action?

RODERICK: There has been action. But you have to understand, there are at least 800,000 police officers, sheriffs in this country. It takes a long time to trickle the training down. So it is happening. It is a conversation the chiefs of police are having. It is a conversation that each state's training facilities are having. So it is happening, it's just going to take a while for this conversation to trickle down to actual action.

BLACKWELL: Scott, to you, from the perspective of presidential politics, what is the role, and what are we hearing about retraining and making that a priority and not just a talking point?

BOLDEN: Well, I think Hillary Clinton has indicated best yesterday about calling for universal guidelines on the use of deadly force. I think that's a good start. I think Art is saying there's a balance in this training, there needs to be open dialogue, brave, courageous dialogue about race not just in this country but the relationship between the police and the communities they serve, especially in urban areas.

But let me make this point, Victor, and this is really important. I think we need universal guidelines and training or rather testing who we give a gun and badge and gun to, who we hire as the police officers in our country around this country. That is, let's weed out the sociopaths, let's weed out the racists, let's weed out the narcissists who may harbor these views. Not all police do, but those that do, we need to find out who they are before we give them a gun and badge. If we had that type of universal psychological testing you'll see a number of these incidents go down over time. And I think that's what needs to be happening as part of the national dialogue on testing, or retraining, rather, as well.

BLACKWELL: From that perspective, the initial entry into some of these programs of recruitment.

RODERICK: I agree. But here's the problem. It's -- and I've talk today a lot of chiefs of police about this, and even the federal law enforcement agencies have this same problem. It's getting harder and harder to hire people, to have them pass the background to bring them on board. So unfortunately I think what is happening out there is some of the police departments are lowering their standards. And we get these types of issues.

BLACKWELL: Why is it harder?

RODERICK: It's passing backgrounds, it's -- that's the main issue is passing backgrounds.

BLACKWELL: But aren't these the same background tests that have been in place for some time? Or are they new test?

RODERICK: It's newer tests. Some now are giving actual polygraphs for lifestyle stuff. It's just being -- I hear this from chiefs of police all the time, that they're not able to fill the vacancies, the positions they have within their police departments.

BLACKWELL: Lowering standards is certainly not the answer.

RODERICK: It's not the answer.

BLACKWELL: And I'm sure people would like to know their police departments are still selective.

So do you expect, Art, that after the week this country has had with the deaths of Castile, with the deaths of Sterling and these five officers here, that we'll see any real change?

BOLDEN: Are you talking to me? I'm sorry, forgive me.

BLACKWELL: That question is to you, Scott.

BOLDEN: I'm sorry, forgive me. I certainly hope so. We're in a very sad and mourning period. The shooter in Dallas was an enemy of the protesters and an enemy of the police and exploited the fact that they were together, trying to peacefully protest and participate in their First Amendment right.

[10:40:05] I certainly hope so. We can't take many more days of this. And we need to have a real dialogue about where we are with the police and our community first of all.

Second of all, leadership on both the Republican and the Democratic have got to lead that discussion and talk about love and kindness, but more importantly about resolution and what type of country we really want to be a part of, because the last three or four days, it's been tough on believers that love conquers all. And I think we've got to be brave and courageous and have that dialogue about race. We're so uncomfortable talking about race and differences, and yet --

BLACKWELL: It is an uncomfortable conversation.

BOLDEN: It is, but we have so many similarities.

BLACKWELL: Scott Bolden, thank you so much for being with us, of course, Art Roderick, as always. Christi, I'm going to give it back to you.

PAUL: Thank you, gentleman.

Still ahead there's a new social media app that seems to be redefining the news landscape. Brian Stelter has been looking into it. What did you find interesting, Brian?

BRIAN STELTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This week could have been very different if we had not seen live streams from Minnesota and from Texas. Now Facebook facing questions about how it handles graphic video that pops up in your news feed. We're talk about it after the break.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) PAUL: The shooting death of Philando Castile during the traffic stop in Minnesota was bad enough. But even more shocking is how his girlfriend was able to broadcast the tragedy in real time with her smartphone.

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[10:45:09] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stay with me. We got pulled over for a busted taillight in the back, and the police -- he's covered. He killed my boyfriend. He's licensed to carry. He was trying to get out his I.D. and his wallet out his pocket. And he let the officer know that he was -- he had a firearm and he was reaching for his wallet. And the officer just shot him in his arm. We're waiting for -- I will, sir. No worries. I will. He just shot his arm off. We got pulled over.

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PAUL: It's just so hard to watch. You think of her, you think of him, what they're going through. She's able to keep it together so clearly in that moment. But Facebook Live is a relatively new feature. In this video, though, it's already redefining the boundaries of journalism, and that's going to have all kinds of unintended consequences for Facebook and other social media. CNN's senior media correspondent Brian Stelter, host of "Reliable Sources," is joining us now from New York. I'm wondering what you're learning about the capabilities and affect it has on these cases?

STELTER: The company is having to face these exact questions now. Because Facebook live is brand-new, as you mentioned it only came out a few months ago. If you have Facebook you have it and don't even know it. On your phone, on your app you can go live, press the "live" button, and start broadcast. Normally you can do that to show you a birthday party and show your friends what you're doing.

But the same technology can also be used to show death and show violence. We saw it in Minnesota and we also saw it in Texas. A number of people near that protest were able to show the ambush as it happened live on Facebook. What's crucial here is that as the woman says, Diamond Reynolds is the video, "Stay with me." It's a much more intimate, up close video, because she's telling her friends to be eyewitnesses to the aftermath of the shooting.

What's crucial is that Facebook also records what you're doing live so people can see it afterwards. That's why this video has been seen millions of times and was able to be shown on television. Some experts even say Facebook Live came of age this week the same way television came of age during the JFK assassination. So now Facebook has to figure out some of the rules, here. For example, they say there are community standards. You can report a video if you think it's bloody or graphic, and reviewers will look at it. But if the video is important, if it shows context like a police shooting or an ambush, they'll keep it online to make sure the rest of the world can also see it.

PAUL: Wow. Brian Stelter, we appreciate you looking into that. Thank you so much.

STELTER: Thanks.

PAUL: Still ahead, there are certainly more questions than there are answers today in the fatal police shooting of Alton Sterling outside a Baton Rouge convenience store. His loved ones, the people who are missing him this morning, are talking, and we'll tell you about that.

We do also want to introduce you to another of this year's top ten CNN Heroes. Sherri Franklin, this is a woman who has been adopting older dogs from animal shelters and finding them new homes. Listen as she explains why she does this.

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SHERRI FRANKLIN, CNN HERO: Dogs that are old, very, very often are the first to be euthanized because, literally, they just don't think the dog is adoptable because of its age. We're proving them wrong.

She's adopted!

Old dogs have so much to give. They have changed people's lives with their gratitude, with their tenderness. There's a soulfulness with older dogs.

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[10:52:43] BLACKWELL: We have new information now in the death of Philando Castile. He's the man who was shot and killed by a police officer in Minnesota. That was during a traffic stop on Wednesday. An attorney representing the officer who fired, that officer's name Jeronimo Yanez, issued a statement about the incident, and it reads in part, quote, "This tragic incident had nothing to do with race and everything to do with the presence of a gun. Regrettably the use of force became necessary in reacting to the actions of the driver of a stopped vehicle. Officer Yanez is deeply saddened for the family and loved ones of Philando Castile." Again, that comment from the attorney for that officer.

We're still waiting to hear from the attorneys for the officers involving in the shooting of Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. That shooting now the subject of a Justice Department investigation. Sterling was selling CDs and DVD's outside a convenience store when a confrontation with police as we know now turned deadly. How it escalated to that level is still not clear. But Sterling's loved ones are desperate for answers. Our Nick Valencia has that story.

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NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: In one of her first sit-down interviews since the death of Alton Sterling, Quinyetta McMillon is still raw with emotion.

QUINYETTA MCMILLON, MOTHER OF STERLING'S CHILD: My heart is really heavy right now.

VALENCIA: Next to her, attorney Chris Turner, she speaks frankly to CNN about the killing of her child's father.

MCMILLON: Just from the little bit that I saw of footage, I felt like they could have approached him different. The words they used could have been different.

VALENCIA: CNN was told by a source with knowledge of the investigation, that it was a homeless man who made the 911 call against Sterling. The caller said Sterling was brandishing a gun outside the SSS convenience store. McMillan doesn't think that's how things started.

MCMILLON: I don't believe that there was a homeless man that asked for money and Alton didn't give it, because he was not that type of person. Alton would give you the shirt off his back if you needed it.

[10:55:01] I do. And you know, every time I get kind of emotional, I think, you know, come through to me. Help me stand strong so I know the right things to say and do so that you can have justice. To me, justice is making sure everything is in order, making sure that the system that we have see what I see. And I want them to be in prison. I want them behind bars. I believe deep down in my soul justice will be served. I don't hate them. I dislike what they did. But I don't hate them.

VALENCIA: Hate, she says, won't bring Sterling back. But she will never be the same again.

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BLACKWELL: Nick Valencia there for us. Nick, thanks so much. And thank you for watching this morning.

PAUL: Absolutely. Victor live for us in Dallas, thank you so much, Victor. And there is much more ahead in the next hour of CNN's newsroom with Wolf Blitzer after this break. So stay close.

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