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[11:00:16] BECKY ANDERSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST: Is it going to be France or is it Portugal? The two go head-to-head in tonight's Euro 2016
football final. Just under three hours to kickoff here in Paris, and the atmosphere is abuzz.
Also this hour, Dallas still trying to make sense of the police shooting that gripped the nation. We'll have more on the investigation.
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MAZ JOBRANI, ACTOR: If we tried to have a Middle Eastern James Bond, people would go crazy.
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ANDERSON: Diversity in Hollywood. I speak to Maz Jobrani about whitewashing in movies after rumors of Leonardo DiCaprio's new role has
Hello. I'm Becky Anderson. Welcome to a special edition of Connect the World live from Paris. A noisy city at the best of times, but even more so
today. Just hours away from the Euro 2016 final match where Portugal will take on France.
I'm going to be in the French capital with you all week with news and analysis on the stories that matter most here and around the world.
And let's begin with the talk of the town here this hour. In just a few hours, France takes to the pitch against Portugal for the final of the Euro
2016 football championship. France ready to battle for a win on home soil with a parade already on the horizon. But victory no sure thing when you
are taking on Portugal -- their star player, Cristiano Ronaldo, hungry for his first major title.
All right, let's kick it off, Amanda Davies joins us from the Stade de France, soaking up the
atmosphere if you will ahead of the final in what is set to be the final showdown of the tournament, not least for two of the world's most exciting
AMANDA DAVIES, CNN WORLD SPORT: Yeah, absolutely, Becky. You've come to us just as the sound checks have started cranking up at the stadium behind
us. The fans are now starting to flood in.
We still have four hours to go until kickoff, but as you said, this is Portugal against France. Cristiano Ronaldo against Antoine Griezmann, a
repeat of the Champions League final, which was then, of course, Real Madrid against Atletico. It was Ronaldo who came out on top that time.
But it's Griezmann and France very much built as the favorites for this one. France seen as a far more complete and talented squad if you're
talking man for man. Griezmann has been one of the stars of the tournament so far. He had a little bit of a slow start, but has really picked it up
in recent times. He heads into the final, topping the goal scoring charts. He's scored six, including two against Germany.
He, though, actually has something of split loyalties in this game, Becky. His grandparents were Portuguese. Of course, there's a very large
Portuguese contingent here in France. But Cristiano Ronaldo, we know him so well as a superstar player that can turn a game within a split second. And
he absolutely has a point to prove here. He was part of that Portugal side who were beaten on home soil by Greece in 2004. He knows what it feels
like to lose a final of the European championship in front of his home fans.
But it doesn't matter to him this evening. He will want to be doing just that to France.
ANDERSON: Launching drones and sending thousands of officers to the match. The tournament is considered to be a potential target for terrorists. And
all this in a city that has been struck before.
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ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONENT: Two of the gunmen at least went into the offices of Charlie Hebdo.
JIM BITTERMANN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: ...France have concealed the neighborhoods have been closed off. They may still think there's still
somebody out there.
ANDERSON: It's been 18 months since the shootings at Charlie Hebdo and eight since the November attacks that left 130 people dead in this city of
Paris. And while the city and the country is still dealing with the wounds of those events, this is a city ready to move on.
The sun is shining here in the city of light. So come with me as I take stock of the mood ahead of Sunday's final.
A lot of focus this past year and a half has been on the security threats facing France. And just days before the Euro 2016 tournament kicked off,
it seemed even mother nature didn't want to play ball. The River Seine flooded to levels not seen in decades. Nowhere represents French
resilience more than this. The Place de La Republic. It's become the heart, the beating heart of Paris and by extension, the country.
It's where in the aftermath of the attacks people gathered to vent their sorrow and frustration. And also to show their solidarity and desire to
ensure that life continues to be lived to the fullest.
Walking the streets of this city on a beautiful summer day, it's easy to think that all is well and that the healing power of football has succeed
in unifying this country. Who knows what's ahead? Given that, I think we'd all be forgiven for having a little bit of fun.
For now, what really matters is enjoying gay Paris and the beautiful game. Maestro, reveal.
Becky Anderson, CNN, Paris.
ANDERSON: And here is that little masterpiece. A little bit later, I'm going to get my colleague Alex Thomas who is with me here to sign it as the
first guest to do so this week. We thought we might auction it off, I don't know, later on. Alex, thank you.
ALEX THOMAS, CNN WORLD SPORT: I feel very honored.
ANDERSON: Thanks for joining us.
The legendary French player Thierry Henri earlier today saying that football -- this is beyond football. And this is beyond sport. And when
you're hear in Paris today, you certainly feel like that, don't you?
THOMAS: Yes, and he's right, but with certain conditions. We were speaking to a French sociologists a little bit earlier today, who pointed
out comparisons between this final coming up and 1998 when France won a World Cup for the first time in their history and on home soil. There were
half on the Champs Elysees that night. I expect similar numbers later if France do it again against Portugal. But things went wrong after that.
It was seen at a time as the unification of a nation with real ethnic tensions within it, but as we found out world sport is a great sort of
temporary morale boost, it can't solve society's problems. I worry for this France team this year if everyone's putting the pressure on them not
just to win a football match, which is what they're there for, but to solve the country's problems.
ANDERSON: I think it was Mandela who said sport has the power to change the world. But you have got to temper that I think is what you are saying
to a certain extent. You talked about the French bidding to replicate their 1998 World Cup success. And they will be guided in that by the
prolific Mr. Griezmann, Monsieur Griezmann.
Talk to us about him and just how important he is to the team.
THOMAS: He's not the same superstar that Zinedine Zidane was back in 1998 and that World Cup success. And by the way, France went on two years later
to win the European championship again. They're trying to make it a third Euro title for them.
But Griezmann was being mentioned by Bacary Sagna, his fullback on the France team, who is very experienced, has played at huge clubs, as being on
the level with Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi.
That's praise indeed.
I think it's slightly early for that, but he's showing all the attributes of someone who can make a real mark on this game.
ANDERSON: Well, we can certainly see how he lines up against one of them, because indeed he is playing Cristiano Ronaldo tonight, who has made lots
of noise ahead of this game because that's the kind of bloke he is really.
How good is he? I mean, in the end, it sort of feels like Portugal have slightly limped into this final to a certain extent. A lot of people are
saying that anyway.
How good is he? And what should we expect from him today?
THOMAS: Yeah, and by the way, the consensus from the World Sport team here on CNN is the people are on board -- there is a lot of quality.
ANDERSON: We beg to differ on that one.
THOMAS: But that is the stereotype that's out there about them, because it's all been about him. Ever since he started these amazing goalscoring
feats with Manchester United and then REal Madrid for the last half a dozen years or so, his record, and Lionel Messi's record as well is right up
there with the very best, the Peles, the Maradonas, in the history of this game. But Messi quit Argentina only a few weeks ago after failure at the
So if Ronaldo can get one over on his great rival and actually get a major international football title. He's got plenty of Champion's Leagues and
league titles. Then really you have to start putting him in the very highest category as far as football is concerned.
ANDERSON: I'm going to ask you to put your money where your mouth is, as it were. What do you think the result is going to be?
THOMAS: I think 1-1 after normal time. No goals in extra time. And the dreaded penalty shootout, just to get everyone's nails bitten down to the
[11:10:04] ANDERSON: Good stuff. Thank you very much indeed, sir. We will sign that picture a little bit later. And where is it? That doesn't
work, anyway? We'll sign it a little bit later on...
THOMAS: The artist made you look very perky, Becky, I have to say.
ANDERSON: Thank you.
THOMAS: The Euro 2016 final isn't the only big match this weekend. In London, the Men's singles final at Wimbledon is playing out right now.
Let's get the latest action on Centre Court from CNN tennis analyst James Blake who is there for us.
And James, it is difficult to overstate the enormity of this game for either of these players. What's the score at this point?
JAMES BLAKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, right now, Andy Murray leading two sets to love. He's playing great tennis, really returning Milos Raonic's
just rocket serve, putting a lot of pressure on his service games and doing a great job holding serve.
Up two sets to love right now. He can just see the finish line to capturing a second Wimbledon
ANDERSON: It will be no surprise to learn from you, then, that Mr. Murray has a modicum of support at Wimbledon today, James, am I right?
BLAKE: Yes. The crowd is very, very electric for him. We can hear -- we're just outside the stadium and we can hear a roar every single time he
wins a point. It's about 99 percent Murray supporters in there. It feels like a Davis Cup match. And they're just itching for another British
champion here at Wimbledon.
ANDERSON: All right.
Let's, before I let you go -- Raonic, he may be new to many of our viewers, but he's been around a bit, had a bit of time out for injury. Just how
good is he?
BLAKE: Well, this is his first opportunity in a grand slam final. He's Canadian. He's 25 years old. The first Canadian man ever to be in a grand
slam final. So he's got a lot of pressure on him. But his serve is here. It's a weapon. It's going to be around for years to come. If he stays
healthy, he's going to have more opportunities like this. Most likely his best chance will be at Wimbledon where the courts are a little faster.
It's just tough for him right now coming up against Andy Murray, playing his best tennis, and against the whole crowd being against him.
But I think he'll have more opportunities in the future.
ANDERSON: Thank you, James. And that game ongoing.
All right, still to come this evening on this show out of Paris for you today, new details on the
gunman in Dallas who killed five police officers. We are going to look at his plans and his past.
And a live report from Baghdad a week after the deadliest single attack to hit Iraq in years. That is later this hour. You're with us here in what
is a very noisy Paris this afternoon. I'm Becky Anderson. Stay with us.
ANDERSON: Right, you're watching CNN. This is Connect the World with me live from Paris for you all week. Welcome back.
Now, to the U.S. where nearly 250 arrests were made in a third night of protests, all sparked by police shootings last week that left two black men
dead. 125 arrests were made in Baton Rouge in Louisiana. That's where Alton Sterling was killed in a struggle with police on Tuesday. 100
demonstrators were taken into custody and 21 police officers injured in St. Paul and Minnesota. People there outraged over the shooting death of
Pilando Castile on Wednesday.
Well, another backlash in the killings was Thursday's attack on police in Dallas in Texas that left five officers dead.
CNN's Sara Sidner is in Dallas with new details on the gunman. Sarah, what do we know at this point?
SARA SIDNER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: We're learning more about what police used to kill the gunman. They basically used this particular
robot and they fashioned it with about a pound, that is a heck of a lot of C4, in order to take him out. They came to that conclusion
because they felt that so many officers had been killed and wounded, that two civilians had been wounded, and so they decided that this was really
their only way forward to keep other officers from being killed. They had done hours of negotiations with the suspect, Micah Johnson, and decided
that this was the only way to do this without more people getting hurt or killed.
And so they sent in this robot.
But it is an extraordinary move by this police department, perhaps, according to law enforcement analysts, the first time that a local police
department has used something like the robot -- it's a Romatech F-5 model - - to do something like this. And there's a lot of talk today about why they used it, and the police chief was very clear that it really was a last
resort -- Becky.
ANDERSON: I know police headquarters are back open after a lockdown yesterday. What prompted that lockdown, Sara? And how did it come to an
SIDNER: Yeah, the lockdown was only for a couple of hours. But basically, someone called up or they got some kind of information that there was a
credible threat, and they took that threat very seriously, especially considering what this department had been through since Thursday.
There were snipers that were positioned around the department. The concern was in a parking garage, and they went and did a sweep of the parking
garage a couple of times, but found nothing. But ultimately, any kind of threat is going to be taken extremely seriously. And there is a lot of
concern by law enforcement, including the Federal Bureau of Investigations that there will be copycats, and
so that also heightens the level of concern here in Dallas and around the nation, Becky.
ANDERSON: So, Sara, where are police in their investigation at this point?
SIDNER: They've interviewed dozens of police officers. They are trying to talk to everyone and anyone that saw anything, and certainly they are
gathering forensic evidence. And imagine, there was a 45-minute at least gun battle between police and suspect Micah Johnson, and so there are going
to be all sorts of different pieces of evidence that they have to collect.
And they are basically doing this, even though the suspect is dead, they are basically doing this as if this was going to end up going to trial.
And so they have to gather all this, and then they have to do a final report on all that was found and what went down.
And in the future, it is very likely that something like this, their report could be used for training in other situations. Hopefully, there will
never be another situation like this. But in case there is, this may end up being a learning process for other departments around the nation and
potentially the world -- Becky.
ANDERSON: Sara Sidner reporting out of Dallas for you. Thank you, Sara.
I'm going to get you a look now at factors in the gunman's past that may have moved him beyond anger and hate to radical and deadly action. CNN's
senior investigative correspondent Drew Griffin has more on Micah Xavier Johnson.
DREW GRIFFIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: His Facebook page was covered with black nationalist symbolism, the black liberation flag, his photo, fist raised in
a black power salute.
CNN has been speaking with a former friend of Johnson who says the Dallas police killer was disturbed not just by recent police killings of black
men, but on the history of violence against his race.
Johnson repeatedly viewed the videotape police beating of Rodney King, the friend told CNN, and he knew everything about the history of Martin Luther
King's assassination and the teachings and murder of Malcolm X.
And through his electronic fingerprints, it's clear Micah Johnson was visiting, liking, and absorbing messages that could have inspired him not
just to hate, but to strike.
The friend who wants to remain anonymous says Johnson was a good black man with a little bit of an anger problem.
That combination of history, pride and anger is visible when you scroll through Micah Johnson's Facebook likes.
Captured by CNN, they show the shooter visited and liked a multitude of African-American groups -- Black Lives Matter, African-American History,
alternative Afro-Centric news sites, the New Black Panthers, sites devoted to covering the experience of blacks in the United States.
But you also come across these -- groups that espouse more than just black awareness or empowerment, but hate and violence. The African-American
defense League is one of them. Shortly after news broke of a black man being killed in Baton Rouge this week, the AADL posted, then deleted, this
call to arms, calling on the gangs across the nation attack everything in blue.
The postings are similar to what led to this nationwide alert issued by the FBI Thursday, a warning to all law enforcement that attacks on police were
being called for, with images so graphic of cops being killed, CNN has chosen not to repeat them. One shows an artistic version of an officer's
throat being cut, similar to ISIS style propaganda.
J.M. BERGER, GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY: Certainly, they're putting out incendiary content, and somebody who is inclined toward violence is reading
that, they may fixate on that content as a reason to take action.
GRIFFIN: J.M. Berger studies extremist groups for The George Washington University. He knows the FBI is monitoring sites like these, and while he
says they haven't risen to the level of actual terrorists, he's troubled where the sites may be headed.
BERGER: So, you know, we don't see the same kind of enforcement action against white nationalists and black nationalists that we see against
jihadist groups and that's probably going to be an impending problem for us. What we do see is that extremist groups of all
types are getting on the internet more. They're exploiting the lessons that I think can be learned from ISIS's success.
GRIFFIN: Almost like a page from the ISIS playbook, domestic hate sites are making Micah
Johnson a martyr. This from to the site devoted to the teachings of Elijah Muhammad. Rest in peace, the site declares of the murderer, he stood up to
Drew Griffin, CNN, Dallas, Texas.
ANDERSON: Well, racial tensions soaring just as America prepares to elect a new president. Do read about that on CNN.com.
Who can heal America? It is an article that explores the turmoil and looks at the challenges that lie ahead for a new leader and the entire nation.
Again that is at CNN.com/politics.
Well, U.S. President Barack Obama will be leaving Europe in just a few hours. He is cutting short his foreign trip and heading back to the United
States early because of the tragedy in Dallas. He's in Spain right now for a quick visit after attending the NATO summit in Poland.
Well, just a short while ago, Mr. Obama said attacks on police hurt movements trying to better
the criminal justice system in America. Have a listen to this.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Whenever those of us who are concerned about fairness in the criminal justice system attack police
officers, you are doing a disservice to the cause.
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ANDERSON: Well, CNN's White House correspondent Michelle Kosinski has been traveling with the U.S.president, joining me now live from Madrid.
And Michelle, in what sounded like somewhat of an understatement, I have to say, Obama apologizing for cutting his trip short, saying we've had a
difficult week back home.
What's the mood amongst the president's delegation in Spain at this point?
MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's been kind of stunned from the beginning. I mean, as we saw, what happened in Dallas
develop overnight, I mean, the questions started immediately of the White House staff. What are you going to do? Is the president going to cut his
And first, really, there was uncertainty, saying well, what would he really do? Would he go right to Dallas? We're not sure yet. We're going to
watch the developments. But then we heard the president speak out again on this subject. Obviously, impassioned, using strong words to decry the
violence in America. And it really started to look like a plan was in shape for him to come back early, and that is what they decided.
But it's been somber. There was a press briefing, I think it was two nights ago now, it's all kind of blended together at this point on this
trip. But the briefing was really the first time that the press en masse could ask the tough questions of the White House. And it was a very somber
tone. It was unlike one that we've had in a long time, just knowing what was going on back home, the tensions and the continued violence, the
uncertainty of what would spark up next. And the fact that the president and his White House team are so far away.
So now we know the president is cutting this short and going back a day early. We've heard him speak a number of times now since he's been
[11:25:24] ANDERSON: Yeah. And this was an important trip, not least the meetings in Poland earlier this week. What was the message -- and what's
been achieved by the U.S. while he's been on this trip, do you think?
KOSINSKI: Yeah, I mean, the NATO leg was very important. This Spanish leg, the president -- it's obviously something he wanted to do, but less
urgency, and that's why he decided to cut the trip short at this point.
I think it's telling that he didn't want to cut the NATO meeting short, even though there was still
another full day to go. That tells you how significant those discussions were given all of the threats on the eastern edge of NATO, now on the
southern edge with the threat of ISIS and the refugee migrations. So the president wanted to reinforce the strength of NATO, how significant it is
I mean, I think one phrase we kept hearing over and over is this is a point in time, a sort of pivotal moment for NATO, unlike any other that we've
seen since the end of the Cold War. And the president, of course, announced a rotation now of more than a thousand troops that will go
through Poland and another armored brigade.
So the U.S. sending more soldiers there to be a part of NATO and a part of the deterrence. I think really the focus now is not so much defense and
reassurance that NATO has really focused on in the past, but now deterrence. And we've heard over and over again from the leaders who are
attending that this is a direct result of Russian aggression -- Becky.
ANDERSON: Michelle Kosinski in Madrid, in Spain for you. Michelle, always a pleasure. Thank you.
Well, the latest world news headlines are ahead for you on CNN. Plus...
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IVAN WATSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDNET: The miners are working in this lunar landscape. Ugh.
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ANDERSON: I'm going to you inside an active volcano to meet some of the miners who work there for about $10 a day.
[11:31:18] ANDERSON: Iraqi forces backed by U.S.-led air strikes have retaken an air base from ISIS near Mosul. The recapture is seen as a
breakthrough in the mission to liberate Mosul as the al Qayyara based can be used in further missions against ISIS.
Well, CNN's Ben Wedeman has been covering the developments in the fight against ISIS in Iraq. He joins me live now from Baghdad.
And Ben, it's been a week since that deadly bombing that left more than 300 dead in Baghdad. What's the mood on the ground?
BEN WEDEMAN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, the mood is one of sort of patient perseverance, despite it all. And in addition to that last
weekend bombing that killed so many people here in Baghdad on this last Friday, day before yesterday, more than 40 people were killed in a bombing
in Belad (ph) about 90 kilometers north of Baghdad.
But despite it all, despite years -- in fact, decades of war and disruption, the people in Baghdad seem to have developed an attitude of
simply keep calm and carry on.
WEDEMAN: As if Baghdad didn't have enough already, there's another shrine to the dead. The buildings gutted by fire from the worst ever terrorist
attack in this city, now festooned with posters of the more than 300 who died that bloody night.
Few cities have been bruised and battered by war like Baghdad, but despite it all, and against
all the odds, the residents of the city refuse to surrender.
Baghdad's pet market has seen its fair share of attacks, the worst in 2000 left around 100 dead, yet it's still in business.
"Only god knows why, we just put up with it," says Kharad (ph), showing the scars from that attack.
Faiaz (ph) has been making bird cages since he was a teenager. He takes the long view. And in
Iraq, the long view goes back thousands of years.
"The cycle of life must continue," he tells me. "Iraqis don't know the meaning of defeat. We've been carrying on since the days of the
For 40 years, he has been selling tea. He lived through the Iran-Iraq war, the Iraqi invasion of
Kuwait, the U.S.-led invasion and occupation, civil war, and now the war with ISIS. It's all starting to weigh on him.
"These are bitter days," he says. "Explosions. There's no security. You leave home and you don't know if you'll return, yet he carries on."
Perhaps it's resignation, perhaps fatalism, Ummuhammad (ph) puts it best: "We have the patience of Job," she says.
And in this city, patience is not so much a virtue, as it is a necessity.
WEDEMAN: And despite the events of the last week, Iraq is preparing, as you mentioned, Becky, for the offensive on Mosul. The taking of that
Qayyara, that air base south of Mosul is going to make it possible to use that for air strikes against Mosul. The exact timing of that operation
isn't clear yet. It's probably months away, but that will be the decisive battle in the war against ISIS here in Iraq -- Becky?
[11:35:03] ANDERSON: Ben, there have been calls for an international investigation into this Baghdad bombing. Is that possible?
WEDEMAN: Well, it's certainly possible. It's not clear where the Iraqi government wants that. The Iraqis, of course, are conducting their own
investigation into the bombing in Karada (ph).
When you speak to a lot of people here, they don't have a lot of confidence in the government's ability to get down and figure out exactly what
happened. So there's a lot of public desire for an international inquiry, but it's questionable
whether the government is that enthusiastic -- Becky.
ANDERSON: All right, Ben. Thank you for that.
Well, over the last few months, many workers here in France have been walking off their jobs and taking to the streets, striking against reforms
to labor laws.
However, in Indonesia, some miners work in perilous conditions in the heart of an active volcano every single day.
CNN's Ivan Watson takes us there.
WATSON: The miners are working in this lunar landscape. Ugh. Ugh!
You ready to roll?
Flashlights in the gloom. On a pre-Dawn hike up a volcano, the air is thick with volcanic fumes, gas masks necessary the closer we get to the
heart of the volcano. It's an eerie, steep hike down here into the crater. You can see people inching their way down. And we're periodically
enveloped in these great big clouds of smoke being belched up by the volcano.
The gas creates an incredible effect, blue flames that ripple like ghosts up the volcano walls.
At the bottom of the crater, we find this: Indonesian miners digging up the raw sulfur that builds up near vents in the volcano, ill-equipped workers
struggling to cope with the volcano gas.
So I'm lucky. I've got a gas mask. This miner, he's just using a fabric stuffed into his mouth.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No masks.
WATSON: No masks. It's hard work, then.
Dawn reveals we're next to a crater lake that's deeply acidic, warm to the touch. When they gather enough sulfur, the miners load up their baskets
and begin the long back-breaking journey out to the crater.
It's an 800-meter hike out of the crater, most of it up a very steep incline, and miners like Mr. Mustati (ph) here are carrying from 85 to 100
kilos of sulfur on their backs.
Hauling a man's weight in sulfur up these steep trails to earn the equivalent of just around $12 a day. Excellent pay, he says, for men who
would otherwise be impoverished farmers.
This looks like one of the hardest jobs in the world.
This real life Superman seems to agree.
The sulfur will eventually be used to purify sugar and make soap, skin treatments, and even explosives. It is the yellow harvest of a volcano.
Ivan Watson, CNN, in the Ijen (ph) volcano in Indonesia.
ANDERSON: Absolutely remarkable stuff.
Live from Paris for you today, this is Connect the World.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why a blonde-haired, blue-eyed man would be seen to be the most appropriate actor for that role is something that really needs to
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ANDERSON: Should white actors be cast to play non-white characters in movies and TV shows? I discuss race in Hollywood with Maz Jobrani ahead.
Plus, talk about taking aflutter, a parrot is making predictions about who will win tonight's football final here in Paris at the Euros. And
apparently, he's pretty reliable. We're going to show you who he picked, up next.
[11:41:56] ANDERSON: Right, you're watching CNN. This is Connect the World with me from Paris today. Welcome back. Everybody here at Connect
the World keeping a close eye on the match in London. Wimbledon right now. Let's give you an update on how the match is going. Andy Murray leading by
two sets against Milos Raonic in the men's singles final at Wimbledon. The third set is under way now. If Wurray wins it, he takes home the title.
It will be his first ever win at Wimbledon and the first time a British person will have won in 80 years.
My team keeping a close eye on this score for you and bringing you the very latest as soon as soon as we get a result were, or should that happen in
the next few minutes, certainly it's looking very close for Murray at this point.
Well, a little earlier in the show, we were talking about the police ambush in Dallas. It happened at a protest by the Black Lives Matter movement.
Well, the movement is among other things, helping highlight the lack of diversity in the
American popular culture.
Take whitewashing, a practice as old as Hollywood itself. Cultural commentator Emma Dabiri spoke to CNN about the issue.
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EMMA DABIRI, UNIVERSITY OF LONDON: So whitewashing is a process whereby non-white characters will be played by white actors. We've seen very
little representation of diverse ways of being black or diverse ways of being Chinese or diverse ways of being Middle Eastern. That process is
merely amplified by having white actors play those roles.
Leonardo DiCaprio, his name is kind of being like floated to play the Persian philosopher and poet Rumi.
Why a blonde-haired, blue-eyed man would be seen to be the most appropriate actor for that role is something that really needs to be scrutinized.
And it's not as though this is an isolated event. I once, many years ago for some reason, cast as an extra in the Prince of Persia, and I quit after
the first day. The lead character is supposed to be from the Middle East, were uniformly all white.
What we see when it's black actors is usually it will be like a light- skinned or a mixed race or biracial person playing a black character.
So Nina Simone was somebody who had a very successful career in an industry that wanted black performers to look more like Zoe Saldana, who was
recently cast to play her.
If Nina Simone had resembled Zoe Saldana, who very much corresponds to European standards of beauty, she would have had a completely different
My biggest hope would be that we would actually have kind of, like, a race blind casting system. If we equally saw black people or Indian people
playing roles that had maybe been originally written for white people, I think until that day comes where we see that process also operating in
reverse, then this is going to remain problematic.
ANDERSON: Well, I wanted to dig a little more into that topic, as well as the related issue of typecasting. I spoke to the Iranian-American comedian
and actor Maz Jobrani. Now, he is the author of the book "I'm Not a Tterrorist, but I
Played One on TV." And he wrote and produced and starred in the new film "Jimmy
Vestwood: American Hero."
Well, I began by asking him if the rumors of DiCaprio's role irked him somewhat, because after all, given his Iranian heritage, wouldn't he
consider himself a decent Rumi prospect? Here's what he said.
JOBRANI: I wrote that movie "Jimmy Vestwood: American Hero," if Leo wanted to play the part instead of me, I would have given it to the guy, because
It is disheartening being an actor of Middle-Eastern descent, and not having a chance to play the good guy parts, not having a chance to go out
for those parts. Some progress has been made. You have TV shows like Aziz Ansari, who's Indian, but it's Master of None. It's a Netflix show, right.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We need you to do an accent.
AZIZ ANSARI, COMEDIAN: You mean like an Indian accent?
JOBRANI: You have a little progress in that world of the brown people -- Iranians, Arabs, Indians in America.
If we tried to have like a Middle-Eastern James Bond, people would go crazy. You know, like Idris Elba was thrown out there for a black James
Bond, and that was crazy. I mean, people -- meaning people went nuts.
So it's a tough battle for us. And it is disheartening that whenever there's the bad guy parts, we get called. Whenever there's good guy parts,
they go stay home.
A lot of times in Hollywood when casting directors find out you're of Middle Eastern descent, they go oh, you're Iranian. Great. Can you say, I
will kill you in the name of Allah?
I go, I could say that. But what if I were to say, hello, I'm your doctor. They go great, and then you hijack the hospital.
ANDERSON: Why do you think this still goes on in 2016? And are things getting any better today, or do you think they're getting worse than in the
JOBRANI: Listen, we can sit on the sidelines and complain, or we can get involved. So if we can all come together, people from middle Eastern
backgrounds, from Indian backgrounds, and come together and really try to push for more diversity in Hollywood, I think it would benefit all of us in
the long run.
ANDERSON: Does a Trump presidency potentially worry you?
JOBRANI: Yeah. I mean, I think it worries everybody.
I'm Iranian, my wife is Indian. We have an 8-year-old boy, 5-year-old girl. My 5-year-old girl, we were driving and she goes, daddy, what would
happen if Donald Trump saw us? And I said nothing, why? What do you think? She goes well, we're brown. He doesn't like brown people. And it
broke my heart. My little 5-year-old girl was afraid of Donald Trump.
And I had to tell her, I said no, baby. I said, you've got a passport. You're okay. Like, if you don't have a passport, you'd be out of here.
ANDERSON: Maz Jobrani speaking to me a little earlier.
Well, live from Paris, you're watching Connect the World. Coming up, a tough decision for many in Paris's large Portuguese population. Who will
they cheer for tonight? We're going to talk to a Frenchman with a Portuguese mom about her football loyalties. It is, of course, the final
of Euro 2016, and we're keeping an eye on Wimbledon for you, very close at this point.
But Murray looks like he just could edge it in the third set. Stay with us.
[11:50:24] ANDERSON: Let's get you back to Wimbledon. Exciting stuff there in Southwest London, where the men's final could be ending soon.
Andy Murray leading by two sets against Milos Raonic in the men's singles final at Wimbledon. Third set under way right now.
And Murray edging towards a victory. He's up 6-5 in that third set. If he takes home the title, and just under $3 million in prize money, he can add
that to his pile from last time, because in a slight correction to earlier, Murray did, of
course, win at Wimbledon back in 2013. Right. That's that.
And as soon as you get a result on that, it could be a two sets, of course, if Raonic beats back, as it were.
Let's get back to the Euro 2016 climax in Paris.
Growing anticipation ahead of the championship final, just a few hours from now. Portugal and France will take to the pitch to battle for the title.
There's sure to be local celebration, no matter who wins. Paris actually has an enormous
Portuguese population. Our next guest was born near the Stade de France and is of Portuguese descent Shilane Tavanes Samandi -- I hope I pronounced
that properly -- supporting Portugal instead of France, or I am told. So which would you rather take from me?
SHILANE TAVANES SAMANDI, PORTUGAL SUPPORTER: Portugal.
ANDERSON: Go on then. I'll take this one.
And when I say there's a huge Portuguese contingent, I believe, I think I'm right in saying that this is Portugal's second-biggest city. 600,000
Portuguese here. That's remarkable.
SAMANDI: There are many, many in Paris.
ANDERSON: Right. And how nationalistic do you feel on a day like today?
SAMANDI: I mean, we are supporting Portugal since the beginning of the Euro. And we are very proud that they are here now, because there are a
lot of comments, we are not winning.
SAMANDI: Every match. We came here, so we are very proud.
ANDERSON: I feel -- and I was talking to Alex Thomas about this earlier on, my colleague. And we were discussing just how well Portugal have
played. They haven't been brilliant, haven't been the most exciting of matches.
SAMANDI; I think football is a matter of chance, too. I mean, I think we have a lot of chance.
ANDERSON: Listen, 600,000 Portuguese in Paris. Do you feel -- I know mom is
Portuguese, right, but you were born here. Do you feel Portuguese?
SAMANDI: Yes, I do, because I love to go there. I know very good Portugal. I go every year. My husband loves Portugal now. He feels
ANDERSON: Let me tell you, viewers, while you're trying to battle the noise. The noise is coming from, if you can hear it, viewers, from the
Champs Elysees where all afternoon they've been tooting their horns, those who may be going to the game, those who are just driving up and down. And
we've been down the Champs Elysees today, which is a main thoroughfare, as most of you will know, in Paris.
And there as many Portuguese down on the Champs Elysees as there are French to date.
Now, a little bird tells me that you may have met the great king maker, as it were, of the Portuguese team, Cristiano Ronaldo. Is taht true?
SAMANDI; Yes. Actually, we were having problem with the car in Los Angeles. And we just drove up next to university. And the football team
of L.A., the Galaxy were training with Real Madrid.
So, they had just come off the training and we saw Pepe, we saw Cristiano and every player.
ANDERSON: Did they help you with the car?
SAMANDI: No. Unfortunately, no.
ANDERSON: They weren't that gentlemanly, clearly.
SAMANDI: They were too much busy.
ANDERSON: And you told me, because it's going to be a tough match tonight. We hope for a great match.
SAMANDI: I hope it's going to be a great match.
ANDERSON: What do you think the results going to be?
SAMANDI: I don't know. I think it's going to be very difficult. I don't know.
ANDERSON: Give me a number. 2-1? 3-1?
SAMANDI: I hope 3-0 for Portugal. But I'm not sure if it's going to be that.
ANDERSON: Listen, if it is 3-0, and were Ronaldo to score all three goals, and that's not outside of the realm of possibility. I believe that mom has
got a message for him. Is that correct? Go on, live on CNN.
SAMANDI: My mom, she loves Cristiano Ronaldo, and she would like him to come at her job. She's (inaudible) offer him a massage. If he wins, only
if he wins.
ANDERSON: Only if That's a Portuguese mom for you.
ANDERSON: Only supporting the win.
SAMANDI: I hope we will motivate him.
[11:55:00] ANDERSON: Well, I hope so, too. And I'm sure that message will get out on Twitter. And I'm sure that he will will find out about it.
Listen, I'm going to let you go, because I know you've got lots of friends to go and get ready to watch this match. We are going down, our viewers,
to the fans zone. So, do stick with CNN, because we'll be down there soaking up the scene down there. Some 70,000 to 90,000 expected down
there tonight. So do join us for that.
Before we go, your Parting Shots, though, tonight. A special bird has a prediction about the Euro 2016 final for you. Call it animal instinct, as
J.R. the parrot tapped France as the winner on Saturday. He pointed to the French flag. Sorry. To indicate his pick. That might cause a bit of a
flap in Portugal, because especially -- especially because zookeepers in Thailand claim this parrot has a sterling track record. He supposedly
picked the World Cup 2010 and 2014 winners, and J.R. also correctly called the 2012 European Cup championship. So apologies for that.
But let's hope J.R. doesn't get it right this time.
SAMANDI: I'm going to be sad.
ANDERSON: She's going to be sad. As Portugal and France are set to battle it out in the next hours, another football player dealing with a different
kind of fight off the pitch.
Lionel Messi has been convicted of tax fraud. How did a player many consider
one of the greatest ever end up in this position? Well, do head to our Facebook page, Facebook.com/CNNconnect to find out more. And there's a lot
of other stuff there to do, engage with us on our Facebook page.
Wimbledon, Milos Raonic is not going down without a fight. I just told you Andy Murray was up in the third, but Raonic has pulled the score even 6-6.
If Murray wins this set, remember the title is his. And this set will go to a tiebreaker. Remember, it's not the last set. It's only the third
Almost $3 million in prize money is up at stake. CNN's World Sport up next,
right after this show.
I'm Becky Anderson. That was Connect the World from Paris for today at least ahead of the Euro 2016 finals. Thanks for watching.