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[11:00:16] BECKY ANDERSON, CNN HOST: David Cameron on his last day as prime minister of the United Kingdom. This hour, Mr. Cameron leaves

Downing Street, his office, and home for the final time.

Hello. I'm Becky Anderson. Welcome to what is a special edition of Connect the World, coming to you live from Paris on what is a slightly

windy day.

"I was the future once," those the last words of David Cameron as he left parliament, as prime minister for the final time earlier.

Well, at the end of his last prime minister's questions many stood to applaud him. It was a session charged with unusually emotion, some typical

political fighting, and plenty of humor.

Let's take a listen to what was a rather lighthearted David Cameron.


DAVID CAMERON, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: This morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others. Other than one meeting this afternoon

with her majesty, the queen, the dowery for the rest of the day is remarkably light.


ANDERSON: Well, he then headed back to Downing Street. But within the hour, he is expected to leave there for the last time to head to that

meeting with the queen and officially resign.

Soon after, Theresa May will be summoned to Buckingham Palace and will become Britain's new leader. CNN's Max Foster is in the heart of what is

the political action for us just outside 10 Downing Street.

Max, the end of an era for what was once the self-proclaimed man of the future, now constrained to history as it were. A good legacy?

MAX FOSTER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It's interesting isn't it? I mean, undoubtedly it's going to be about Brexit. He can't avoid that.

This was -- he had to leave because of Brexit. He lost that campaign. And despite the fact that we are going to hear from him as he comes out this

hour. He is going to talk about his legacy, what he wants the world to remember, probably about the economy, gay marriage, perhaps things like

that. He will ultimately be defined by the fact that Britain voted to leave the European Union and whatever comes after that as well. Will

Scotland leave the British union? It is a huge story. And he is at the center of it. And that's why today is such a big moment, really, in

British history as he comes out and Theresa May goes in a little bit after him.

Our international diplomatic editor Nic Robertson is over in Westminster outside parliament.

And Nic, how does he have anything but the legacy of Brexit to look back on?

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's really going to haunt him, Max. And we just had the leader of the SNP Pary, the first

minister of Scotland, speaking here a few minutes ago, Nicola Sturgeon. This is going to be one of the most pressing issue that he hands off to

Theresa May. She is standing here. She is not obviously a member of parliament here, but she has come to London today. And I think this sends

a very strong message from her, from the SNP as a whole who have -- who in prime minister's question time today, their leader speaker inside the house

of parliament questioned David Cameron on the issue of a second independence referendum for Scotland.

Nikola Sturgeon here just a few minutes ago saying that, you know, her priority is looking after the interests of her electorate who she says

voted overwhelmingly to remain part of the European Union. She wants to protect the Scottish people's interest in the European

Union. She says, look, I've met Theresa May in the past. She said I wouldn't characterize that you know her particularly well.

You know, we both respect each other. But we both have to look after the interests of the people, you know, of our electorate. So, it's very clear

part of that legacy as you were just saying is the possibility of a second independence referendum for Scotland and that is

going to fall firmly on Theresa May's plate.

However, it will be remembered, history will judge this as David Cameron essentially opening the door to the possibility of that by allowing the

Brexit vote in the first place. So, that definitely will form part of how he will be judged, Max.

FOSTER: So, within the hour the queen will accept or receive her 13th prime minister, the first one being Churchill, of course. An incredible

moment for her as well, and her legacy.

But when we talk about Theresa May, and as she sort of comes into Downing Street and tries to handle what she's got here. She's going to need a team

behind her, isn't she? How is she going to balance this team and bring this very divisive politics together?

[11:05:14] ROBERTSON: Well, playing a sort of lower key role in the Brexit campaign allowed her to be a figure that could by not getting into some of

the divisive debates and discussion rhetoric that was flying through the air in the weeks before June 23, the day of the referendum, has allowed her

to sort of emerge from this as a figure that can unify.

And certainly, she has had support from leading lead figures or important heavyweight lead figures if you like like Chris Grayling who has come to

her side very, very quickly. So there is the possibility here to bring those two sides of the party together. Obviously, some of the sort of

stronger leave campaigners are going to be looking to see how she forms her cabinet,

and very importantly whom she puts in charge of that very important position of leading the cabinet position, the ministry position, that will

negotiate the Brexit.

That for a lot of people around the country -- not just a lot of conservatives around the country, not just her MPs or those who will become

her MPs very soon here -- that she will need to convince them as well, the electorate, the conservative voters around the country, that she has put in

someone who can make good on those wishes to negotiate strongly in terms of leaving the European Union.

So I think she will be judged partly on that.

But as you say, her plate is hugely full. She walks into a very tough time, a period of huge and potentially historic change for Britain not just

the potential Scottish independence referendum, but negotiating a new future with Britain with the European Union when we

already see the positions are polarized the idea that Britain can be part of that single market, but not allow all EU citizens free movement into


This is a very tough position to be coming into, Max.

FOSTER: OK, Nic, thank you very much indeed.

All eyes, then, Becky, on the door behind me. A huge amount of media surrounding me from all over the world, a massive amount of attention here.

In the next couple of hours, Becky, you are going to have one prime minister defining his prime ministership and the next one furrowing forward

to hers.

So, all eyes on 10 Downing Street.

And above all -- amongst all of that, Becky, they have got to pack and get in there and unpack. It's just quite a mission.

ANDERSON: We will be back to you as of when that door opens. Max, for the time being thank you.

I'm joined now in Paris by a French philosopher Bernard-Henri Levy and one of the most prolific writers in Europe, "welcome, you are a fierce critic

of Britain's decision to exit the European Union, but and you also criticize Europe for, and I quote, playing a part in its own death.

Explain what you mean by that.

BERNARD-HENRI LEVY, FRENCH PHILOSOPHER: Of course, because Europe without spirit, losing its own soul, reducing itself to a pure market without any

political vision in a way deserves to be rejected.

Look just one example, Mr. Barroso, going from the EU to Goldman Sachs.

ANDERSON: What's wrong with that, though? (inaudible) deserves to earn some money, no?

LEVY: This is an ad for the euro skepticism. This is a publicity for those who say that the machinery of Europe is only pro-market, pro-

(inaudible) and so on.

ANDERSON: I mean, you went further. I mean, an article recently, you yourself, accused Europe of being unworthy of itself, its leaders of being

pusillanimous and lazy. And yet you criticize the Brits for not a popular vote, but populism, that doesn't work.

LEVY: Difference between populist and popular, populist means the people cut from its real past, from its great past, cut from any future and

reduced to a cartoon. This is populism. And this is the sort of people which gained in this Brexit vote.

It was -- it was fed by xenophobia. It was great Great Britain turning back to the sense of otherness, which is such a part of its growing.

ANDERSON: How about this argument, that people in Britain just voted against what you have described as a Europe unworthy of itself and of its

leaders being lazy.

LEVY: No, they vote also against themselves. They voted also against John Locke, against the Fabian Society, against Winston Churchill. They voted

against all these part of Europe, which they inspired, because Great Britain and England were inspirers of the European idea.

ANDERSON: Let's agree for the purposes of this interview, then, that this was a victory for populism. What are the consequences for Europe here?

And we know that opinion polls in France suggest a population more euro skeptic than the Brits.

LEVY: I know. I know. That's why this Brexit is such a disaster. I had the whole (inaudible) ready to speak at the commons. And I said that it

was a disaster for UK, which may be broken by that if Scotland goes out, if the Northern Ireland also goes back to (inaudible). And also these are

stuff for Europe. Europe without England cannot be Europe. Europe owes so much of its spirit, of its founding stones to the British spirit that

deprived, up rooted from this English source, Europe might die.

This is a possible future. I hope that this will not happen, but it is a possibility.

ANDERSON: So, how do you think Europe prevents its own death at this point? What does it need to do?

LEVY: By a real move forward. There is two options. Some say we just have to repair ourselves. We just have to lick our wounds. And my belief

is that it is the opposite. We have to go forward. We have to make one more step in the direction of a political act.

Even the currency, the euro, there is no example in history of a common currency working without a political leadership. It may take 20, 30, 50

years, the currency collapse, if there is not a real political leadership.

ANDERSON: It has already almost collapsed at times.

LEVY: Already.

So if there is not in the next months or years a real refounding political act by the remaining countries in Europe, especially by Germany and France,

the whole thing might collapse as did the Azerbaijan Europe in other times.

ANDERSON: Can you make any sensible, rational comparisons between what has happened with this Brexit vote and British politics and that which is going

on in the U.S. at present?

LEVY: Of course. There is a correlation. There is something of Donald Trump in those of the English or British leaders who voted or pleaded for

the Brexit.

ANDERSON: By which you mean what?

LEVY: Lie, cynicism, absolute lack of decency and sense of the public good of the republic. Look at the image of all these men who voted for Brexit

and now escaping from their responsibilities. It is pure political Naziism and ideological irresponsibility. It is in a way, it's the definition of


ANDERSON: From listening to what you're saying -- and I hear where you draw some correlations, bring it back to Europe again. I hear what you

are saying and I think, but you have criticized so loudly and outrightly the European project in and of itself. Why should those who may have been

on the fence about whether they should vote in or out, why should they? What was the point of staying?

LEVY: why should they?

ANDERSON: For the good of the people?

LEVY: No. I think that in democracy the right and the duty of the peoples is to make history. And if Europe is difficult by the elite it is the

responsibility of the gradneur, the nobility of the people to rebuild it, to take, to reshape it.

And I feel so close of these Brits who said we don't like Europe as it was, but we want from inside to reshape it.

This was a good attitude. This was a good way to help UK, EU, and the world.

ANDERSON: And let's hope that if you were talking to Theresa May today that you might suggest that she stay close if not inside the European

Union. I guess that's what you are suggesting. This is the new British prime minister who will negotiate the exit.

[11:15:08] LEVY: I do not agree with those who are in France or in Germany say they want to get out, they have to get out quickly. No. I would be so

happy if they took their time, Mrs. May, if she took her time and if at the end of the day she did not go out.

Europe without UK will not be Europe any longer.

ANDERSON: Fascinating. Sir, it's always a pleasure. Thank you so much for coming on.

We're going to have a lot more on the beginning of what is a new political era in Britain right after this very short break. You are watching Connect

the World. This is a special week live for you from Paris. Do stay with us. We're going to get a very short break. We leave you with the Eiffel

Tower. Beautiful shot.


ANDERSON: Right, welcome back. You are watching CNN. This is Connect the World with me Becky Anderson live from Paris keeping one eye on the door of

10 Downing Street anticipating the departure for the final official time of the Bitish Prime Minister David Cameron.

Meantime, it is -- it really has been a tale of two cities this week with so much action here in

Paris. We are now following a major story in London for you. The next few hours the country will have a new leader and David Cameron set to step

down. And soon after that, Theresa May will take over as prime minister.

So, all of that will be happening for you momentarily. Before that let's get you some other major news stories that we are following for you today.

And the cause of a deadly train crash in southeastern Italy is still under investigation. Human error may be to blame for the accident which left 23

people dead. Italian media cite a local prosecutor who says at least one person is being investigated.

Antiquated technology could also have played a role in the crash. It happened when two trains

collided head on on a single track. Will Ripley joining me now live from the scene of the crash between the villages of Adria and Corrato (ph) --


WILL RIPLEY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Becky, it really is an awful thing to be out here and to see what happened because you can actually see

inside the train cars. That's how badly the front cars and both of these trains were damaged, the roofs ripped off, people who were sitting probably

relaxing in their seats speaking with each other, had virtually no notice apparently, according to the investigators here on the scene.

They tell us they have just recovered the second black box. So, now they have both of the black

boxes from these trains that they are -- that they will be analyzing to figure out.

They have also been going at the stretch of track. And it seems as if both these trains moving at more than 100 kilometers an hour were both coming

around a bend in either direction around the same time, which means that they may not have seen the oncoming trains. Both of the trains may not

have made any attempt to stop. They were both modern trains, one built in 2005, one in 2009. Well-equipped with brakes that they apparently didn't


A heartbreaking scene at the hospital about 30 minutes from here in Bodhi (ph) where -- here in southern Italy where a lot of generations of the same

family often live under one roof. You saw grandparents and aunts and uncles and cousins there, along with the closer relatives who were so grief

stricken as they went into the morgue to identify their bodies. Some of them required medical care.

There was a mother who was pulled from the train hugging her child, both of them died.

There was also a story of a grandmother who was holding her young grandson, just 6-years-old, and he did make it out alive, but his grandmother was


The investigation is continuing out here, Becky. Very sad times.

ANDERSON: Yeah, very, very tragic. All right, Will, thank you for that.

Well, in the United States people are still trying to make sense of the killings of two black men by police. The deaths have sparked nationwide

protests and debate over whether officers used excessive force.

The son of one of the men, Alton Sterling, who was killed in Louisiana spoke to the reporters

earlier, calling for calm.


CAMERON STERLING, ALTON STERLING'S SON: People in general, no matter what their race is, should come together as one united family. Yes, you can

protest, but I want everyone to protest the right way. Protest in peace, not guns, not drugs, not alcohol, not violence. Everyone needs to protest

in the right way, with peace. No violence, none whatsoever.


ANDERSON: Cameron Sterling there.

Let's get you back to the dramatic day in Britain. We are waiting for David Cameron to hand off leadership to Theresa May with the queen's

blessing. Within minutes Mr. Cameron will leave that black door at 10 Downing Street for the very last time as prime minister. He'll then go to

Buckingham Palace to give his resignation to the queen.

After that, the queen will summon outgoing Home Secretary Theresa May making her new official title.

Let's get some perspective from John Redwood now. He's a Conservative member of the UK parliament. Who supports Britain leaving the European


There is an awfully long list of things to do for Theresa May, not least strike a deal, keep the economy afloat, avoid Scotland voting to leave the

UK, ensure the country is safe from terrorism. It goes on. Does she have your full support in the challenges she faces?

JOHN REDWOOD, CONSERVATIVE MP: Yes, of course she does. We all welcome our new prime minister warmly. And the good news about the truncated

contest for our new leader is that we save about eight weeks of democratic dispute and we can get on with governing the country.

Above all, I and my like-minded members of parliament wante to get on with an early and smooth exit from the European Union. We wish to fulfill the

promise to the British people of the referendum campaign, taking back control of our laws, taking back control of our own money, spending it on

our priorities for further economic boost for our country, and above all taking back

control of our borders because we need to decide how many people come in and who we invite in.

ANDERSON: David Cameron said earlier today, his last speech in parliament, as it were, that the UK should stick as close to the European Union as

possible. He said that that will be good for the United Kingdom and good for Scotland.

You are calling on Theresa May to commit to speeding up this withdrawal process. I know that you want that done with parliamentary legislation.

Why, sir?

REDWOOD: Well, I want to be a good European. We wish to be very engaged with our continent. We want to trade with them, be friends with them, have

many collaborations with them. And we know that they want to get on with the British exit now. That is the clear expressed view

of the European Union's council and commission.

And we know that they want to get on with their big project of political union, trying to make

sense of their euro, putting enough money and legislative support and political control behind their emerging single currency. And as the United

Kingdom didn't want to be part of that, we were actually slowing them down and getting in the way.

So, I think as good Europeans we should have a swift move to get out. And the easiest way to do it is to legislate in the United Kingdom parliament,

because it was only because of a British law that the European Union has power in the United Kingdom. And so changing that law will take that power


ANDERSON: All right.

John, we are waiting the departure of David Cameron from 10 Downing Street. We're keeping an eye out for that, so forgive me if I stop you.

But I do want to put another question to you, because comparisons inevitable being made between Theresa May, the incoming prime minister, and

Lady T, Margaret Thatcher, the first female British prime minister. Is Theresa May an Iron Lady and a woman not

for turning?

REDWOOD: I think Theresa May is a very different personality and will be a different leader from Margeaet Thatcher.. I worked very closely with

Margaret Thatcher for a period as her chief policy adviser. I know Theresa May very well, because she is a neighboring member of parliament with the

next district, or constituency to mine. And I've seen her and worked with her all the time she has been in the United Kingdom parliament.

I think she has many strengths. But I can assure you she will be her own woman doing it in her

own style. She won't be copying the style of Margaret Thatcher.

[11:25:51] ANDERSON: John Redwood on what is an historic day in British politics. We thank you.

Lest we forget, viewers, Theresa May actually joins a gratifyingly longish list of top female politicians. A quick look at those whose footsteps she

is following in.



ANDERSON: She has been called a bloody difficult woman, something Theresa May doesn't seem to mind a bit, even suggesting that quality could give her

an edge when negotiating Britain's exit from the EU.

But Britain's new prime minister isn't the only female politician dealing with major challenges.

ANGELA MERKEL, GERMAN CHANCELLOR (through translator): Syrians tell me they wish to go back home.

ANDERSON: German leader Angela Merkel is being praised by many for her leadership during the refugee crisis, granting more asylums than any other

European country.

But her party lost support in local elections earlier this year. And then there is Hillary Clinton

who could become the U.S.'s first female head of state.

The Democratic presidential nominee has seen a fair share of political challenges over the years,

including an email controversy from her time as secretary of state which even prompted an FBI investigation.

JAMES COMEY, FBI DIRECTOR: There is in my view not evidence beyond certainly probable cause, there is not evidence beyond a reasonable doubt

that she knew she was receiving classified information or that she intended to retain it on her server.

ANDERSON: But few leaders seem to be under more pressure than Brazil's president, Dilma Rousseff.

DILMA ROUSSEFF, BRAZILIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): I will fight to survive.

ANDERSON: She is currently battling impeachment and the Zika virus with the Rio Olympics just around the corner. While Theresa May is only

Britain's second female prime minister it could be argued the UK and the U.S. are lagging behind parts of Asia where there is a long tradition of

women leaders. This includes Bangladesh, which has been ruled exclusively by women since the early 1990s.


ANDERSON: Well, it was 1979 when the UK saw its first female prime minister, Margaret Thatcher of course. What has changed in 37 years? More

women have entered politics. Women around the world have the right to vote. But they still don't get paid as much as men.

Do read all about that at That is

We will of course have continuing coverage of this day in the UK, keeping one eye for you on that door, 10 Downing Street, awaiting the departure of

the outgoing British prime minister, David Cameron for the very last time in that position.

Stay with us. Taking a very, very short break. Back after this.


[11:31:19] ANDRESON: Right, it is another momentous day in British political history. This building 10 Downing Street, has seen dozens of

prime minister's come and go over the past 300 years. And the United Kingdom is about to get another one.

In the next few minutes, we are expecting David Cameron to travel to Buckingham palace and tender his resignation to the queen, that is the

process that will leave Theresa May as the country's next leader.

Well, we have a team of reporters covering all angles on this story, as you would expect here

on CNN. Nic Robertson is outside the houses of parliament, and Max Foster and my colleague Robin Oakley not far away, just up the road standing right

outside Number 10.

Max, as we await the appearance of David Cameron, and possibly his family, what can we expect him to do and say?

FOSTER: This is his moment, isn't it. It will go down in history as the moment when he left Downing Street. It's his last word as prime minister,

so it's what defines his prime ministership in his perspective. So it is a really big moment for him. It's also a very emotional moment, of course,

because he is leaving before he was ready.

So, we'll see how he encapsulates his time, his emotions, and he heads off to Buckingham Palace to make it a formality.

He doesn't intend to be emotional, but you can tell when he is emotional if that makes sense. So, we're not expecting him to sort of get very upset in

any way, but we do expect him to try to be quite forthright about what he thinks he achieved in his time in governemnt and not necessarily all about

Brexit, even though he knows that that's what's going to go down in history.

ANDERSON: Yeah, Max, stand by. I want to bring in Nic Robertson who is outside the houses of parliament. And of course we have been discussing

David Cameron's legacy. He's been prime minister now for six years. The next scheduled election, of course, was 2020. And he has said that he

didn't want to stand again.

But he is going earlier than perhaps he had expected. And his legacy in the end will be Brexit, won't it?

ROBERTSON: It will be, but the shape and contours of it may be defined more after, you know, several years of Theresa May as prime minister and

the Brexit negotiations get underway.

I mean the most important thing to Britain and to Theresa May and the British people as well

has to be getting Britain on a good economic standing. If Britain can emerge from its Brexit negotiations in that kind of configuration under the

leadership that Theresa May puts in place in her cabinet and she can do something which seems a long, long stretch at the moment, which is talk the

Scottish MPs and SNP members of the Scottish parliament back from the position they are in of

talking about an independent referendum -- second independent referendum for Scotland, then perhaps some of David Cameron's legacy can be saved.

But it's going to be Theresa May and her cabinet that will do that. Otherwise, yes, the verdict is for everything that he did for housing, for

education, for jobs, for apprenticeships, for all the things that he will want to be remembered by, it is going to be blighted by the issue of


ANDERSON: Nic Robertson is outside the houses of parliament. You are looking at the door of Number 10 of course. Let me bring back -- thank you


Let's bring back Max Foster who is on Downing Street with our friend and colleague Robin


Let's do some of the pomp and pageantry. People like a bit of British process, as it were. As far as I understand it, gentlemen, once Cameron

has met with Queen Elizabeth after he comes out of the door of 10 Downing Street today, he will recommend that Theresa May be invited to form a


I believe that during this brief changeover period after he has left Buckingham Palace and before Theresa May goes to be asked to be the British

prime minister, there will be a man by the name of Jeremy Hayward running the UK, cabinet secretary. Am I right, Robin?

OAKLEY: Yes, indeed. The leading civil servant, the cabinet secretary, Sir Jeremy Hayward for 15, 20 minutes, whatever it takes between David

Cameron saying his farewell to the queen and the queen inviting Theresa May to form a government.

Technically, the cabinet secretary will be in charge of the country. We hope there won't be any great disaster in just those 20 minutes, Becky.

FOSTER: Hopefully just half an hour or so.

Robin, in terms of...


FOSTER: ...the podium is there. The podium is there. He's ready to go, isn't he. He's not -- from the way he tones the prime minister's

questions, which is quite jovial, do you really think he is going to say anything particularly profound?

OAKLEY: But I think what he will want to do is correct the record and say, look, OK, it isn't just about Brexit. I've done real things --

apprenticeships, we're repaired the British economy and made it ready to withstand crises better in the future. And of course he's very proud of

one social reform here, chief, which was the gay marriage law, the legalization of gay marriage.

FOSTER: Which was a tough call for a prime minister of that party when there are some older

members of the party, more traditional members who absolutely didn't want that.

OAKLEY: Indeed. Something completely against the grain of the older members of his own party, something that came as a surprise. And a very

individual achievement that he takes some credit for.

On the foreign affairs front, though, not quite so good for David Cameron. The intervention in Libya, which wasn't properly followed through, the

attempt to get British troops involved -- or British military action in Syria, which was turned down in the House of Commons, an

unusual thing to lose a vote on a question like that.

FOSTER: Viewers, we are just expecting David Cameron to come out of 10 Downing Street and he is going to say his parting words as prime minister

before he goes up to the palace. Won't see again now, will we, Robin? This is all about Theresa May. He's going to be Mr. low profile.

OAKLEY: Indeed. I mean, he has been in a strange position ever since the referendum result came out. And he said OK I've got this wrong. I'm going

to resign. He has been in office, but he's been no longer in power. He has not been taking any of the big decisions.

All the decisions he said will have to be taken by my successor, which, of course, is going to be

Theresa May as we know.

FOSTER: And she had 24 hours to get ready when she was expected to have three months. She is going to need David Cameron actually, isn't she? Or

she would have needed him in the last couple of days just to work out the logistics of this.

OAKLEY: Yes, the technicalities of it, because she thought she was engaged in a nine week leadership contest for the leadership of the Conservative

Party, which carried with it at this time the prime ministership of Britain.

Suddenly, the whole thing has telescoped into two days. That is not very much time to make all the calculations and do all the background

conversations that you have to have with leading figures in order to form a cabinet.

And of course particularly complicated process for Theresa May because she's got to form

this balance between the Brexiteers, the people who wanted to leave the European Union, and those who wanted to remain.

FOSTER: Well, we can see it's imminent, certainly, because all of his senior staff have come out of 11Downing Street. They are all ling up to

see their prime minister leave. It is a big transition for these guys as well. They are all out of a job, basically, aren't they? Theresa May will

want her own team.

OAKLEY: Yes, yes. The only person who is permanently a residence in Downing Street and can expect still to be there when Theresa May comes in

is Larry the Downing Street cat.

FOSTER: I think you had first to spot him today, weren't you?

He has been particularly present today, which is extraordinary.

OAKLEY: Yes. I think he is showing off.

FOSTER: I think he knows something is -- oh, yeah, he is showing off.

Very confident cat. He comes straight up to us. And David Cameron, of course, pointing out

that he does love the cat, which was significant in the small (inaudible) village.

OAKLEY: The rumors to the contrary he said in his rather humerus final appearance.

FOSTER: And people still didn't believe him, so he had to publish a picture him with the cat on his lap.

OAKLEY; And I believe Larry the Cat has actually been stroked by Barack Obama.

FOSTER: That's quite some cat. And he has never had, actually, a female prime minister either. So, it is a first for him even though we used to


We just to explain, we have got the prime minister's senior staff there and all the rest of the staff. And here's the prime minister coming out with

his family for his final words as prime minister.