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May Names Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary; Theresa May Becomes British Prime Minister; Michael Fallon To Remain British Defense Secretary; New PM Theresa May To Lead Britain's Exit From E.U.; Twenty Three Killed Tuesday In Italy Train Crash; Trump Calls For Supreme Court Justice To Resign; Theresa May Becomes British Prime Minister; Boris Johnson Is New U.K. Foreign Secretary; Brexit Ends Cameron's Six Years As Prime Minister; Cameron Attends Last Prime Minister's Questions. Aired 3-4p ET
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[15:00:00] CLARISSA WARD, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: We begin this hour with breaking news. The U.K. government is taking shape in the building
behind me right now. The new Prime Minister Theresa May is populating her cabinet tonight.
She has named former London mayor and well-known leave campaign manager, Boris Johnson as the foreign secretary. We've learned recently that Amber
Rudd is the new home secretary, the post that Theresa herself just vacated to take the top job.
Also learning Philip Hammond is the new chancellor of Exchequer. Hammond, of course, is a former foreign secretary. George Osborne resigned the
chancellor's post a short time ago.
Here to discuss it all with us is CNN contributor and U.K. political expert, Robin Oakley. Robin, what a slurry of activity we've seen over the
past of couple of hours. Help us understand it all.
ROBIN OAKLEY, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: It's astounding, and the pace in which Theresa May is doing it shows that -- I mean, she has the reputation
of somebody who take a while to make up her mind, but is very decisive what she has done so.
Well, she also had a reputation as a very cautious, careful politician. She's blown that in the first two hours in the job by appointing Boris
Johnson, such a controversial figure, as her foreign secretary.
WARD: And what do you think or do you have any idea what the thinking behind that might be?
OAKLEY: Well, there are various strands of thinking. The first would be that she had to give a big prize to the leave campaigners and you know,
none of those really survived the leadership contests. In different ways, they fell on their swords or got stabbed in the back.
So Boris Johnson being made foreign secretary is a sign to the leave campaigners that, yes, they are going to play a big part in her government.
She promised from the start Brexit means Brexit.
Although, she, Theresa May, had voted for Britain to remain in the European Union, she said there's no going back on Brexit. We are going to leave.
There'll no second referendum and putting Boris Johnson there will assure the leave campaigners at some ways, but it's a big risk with some of
Britain's traditional allies.
I mean, Boris Johnson, very controversial figure, very popular with the party faithful. Great fun to have around, but, you know, as one of his
fellow ministers who's just been appointed him secretary said of him during the recent campaigning.
She said, you know, Boris is the kind of guy you want to have at every party, but he's not the kind of guy you'd want to drive you home.
WARD: So give us a sense of some of some of the other appointments we could expect. There are some others in there now. We are expecting to
hear soon about who might be leading the new Brexit department. Any ideas who that would be?
OAKLEY: Yes, we'll just seen Ian Fox go in. He is a former defense minister. He stood for the conservative leadership, was knocked out in the
first round. He got 18 votes. But he's been an ally of Theresa May's for some time.
He's always been on the right wing of the Conservative Party, always been a leave campaigner and she promised to put in charge of the Brexit department
a leave campaigner.
So I would think that Liam Fox has a strong chance of having that job, but you know, we don't have them all confirmed. We just know that these people
are trooping in (inaudible).
WARD: OK, well, we are going to be watching that very closely. Don't leave my side, Robin. We are going to be talking a lot to you this hour.
But I want to hit some of the other points on this historic day during volatile times. That's what we have seen here today and Downing Street
this Wednesday. The new Prime Minister Theresa May stressed unity in the moments after she inherited the most jaunting challenges in recent British
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THERESA MAY, U.K. PRIME MINISTER: Not everybody knows this, but the full title of my party is the Conservative and Unionist Party and that word
"unionist" is very important to me. It means we believe in the union, the precious, precious bond between England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern
Ireland, but it means something else that is just as important.
It means we believe in a union not just between the nations of the United Kingdom but between all of our citizens. Every one of us, whoever we are
and wherever we're from.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WARD: It's been a matter of hours since David Cameron resigned as prime minister and just three weeks since the E.U. referendum vote rocked the
U.K. At the end of a busy day in politics, the future is at hand. Isa Soares has our story.
ISA SOARES, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Notes in hand, ready and prepped for the start of a new day, but today will be his last in
the top job.
[15:05:02]David Cameron's final prime minister's question time coming sooner than he may have liked.
DAVID CAMERON, FORMER BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: Mr. Speaker, this morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others. Other than one
meeting this afternoon with her majesty, the queen, my diary for the rest of my day has been remarkably light.
SOARES: In over six years, Cameron's faced an array of opponents across this box and now he passes the reins to his successor.
CAMERON: First of all, let me say after (inaudible) how warmly I congratulate the home secretary -- when it comes to women prime ministers,
I'm very pleased to be able to say pretty soon it's going to be 2-0.
SOARES: Of course, we saw the customary insults and gibes traded. It is PMQs after all.
CAMERON: I'm beginning to admire his tenacity. He has reminded me of the black knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail. He has been kicked so many
times and he says keep going, it's only a flesh wound. I admire that.
SOARES: Tributes filled the chamber and at one point it seemed as though he and the leader of opposition had actually made up.
JEREMY CORBYN, LABOUR PARTY LEADER: Could I just put it on record and wish him well as he leaves this office and also to wish his family well,
Samantha and their children because I think we should all recognize that while many of us do really enjoy our jobs and political lives, it's our
loved ones and those close to us who make the enormous sacrifices that we might be able to do this.
SOARES: After the familiar questions and answers, the jokes and jeers, David Cameron did not need to look down at his notes for this final
CAMERON: Nothing is really impossible if you put your mind to it. After all, I once said, I was the future once.
SOARES: The day's work now over, bags packed, and hand in hand with his wife and children, it was time to say goodbye.
CAMERON: And as we leave for the last time, my only wish is continued success for this great country that I love so very much.
SOARES: Arriving at the palace, David Cameron tendered his resignation to the queen and one final private conversation between the two.
A little later, her car pulls up in the quadrangle, an appointment not to be missed. She will be the 13th prime minister of the monarch's reign. No
doubt were few kind words of advice from her majesty, Theresa May arrives at her new home.
MAY: As we leave the European Union, we will forge a bold new positive role for ourselves in the world and we will make Britain a country that
works not for the privileged few but for every one of us. That will be the mission of the government I lead and together we will build a better
SOARES: The message is clear and direct. It's time to get on with the job. As one prime minister ends his tenure, another starts her. Isa
Soares, CNN, London.
WARD: Nigel Evans, the Conservative Party MP for Ribble Valley joins me now from Westminster. He supported the leave campaign. Nigel, I just want
to get a sense. Do you feel now we're starting to turn the corner of the political instability of the past few weeks in Britain?
NIGEL EVANS, BRITISH MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT, CONSERVATIVE: Welcome to another wow day at the Westminster. Every day you've gotten out of bed,
the day changes. I've been in politics for 24 years at Westminster and I've never seen anything like it.
And we just received the news Boris Johnson is to be our new foreign secretary. As you know, he was the arched Brexiteer. He led our campaign
to victory. Putting him in that position I think is absolutely superb.
Theresa May has said Brexit means Brexit. On putting Boris as foreign secretary, I don't think President (inaudible) could even now have any
doubts whatsoever Britain will be leaving the European Union and I suspect within a very short space of time.
WARD: What are you expecting, Nigel, in terms of how she'll be able to bring together, this was an acrimonious divided country that she's taking
over. How is she going to bring together the leavers and remainers? We heard her talk a lot about unity in that speech.
EVANS: Yes, but Michael Fallon has just been named as the defense secretary and Michael just a couple of days ago, who was supporting the
"remain" camp, said, we're all Brexiteers now. I think part of the problem over the last few weeks has been the vacuum that was created by the fact
that David Cameron resigned unexpectedly.
And that is being filled by a lot of speculation as if there was a possibility that Britain could somehow remain within the European Union.
[15:10:04]And I think -- when you have people like Michael Fallon saying, that's it. We are leaving the European Union, I think that that message
has now got out and I think irrespective whether you were remain or leave during the campaign leading up to the June 23rd referendum.
Everybody now accepts that the verdict is what it is and it was 1.4 million difference between the leaves and the remains. And what we want to do now
is just to get on with it. I think putting somebody like Boris in there. You've got to figure where the doors would already be opening around the
world because we already know who he is.
He's one of those few politicians who's known by his Christian name. He was a superb mayor for London, saw London really well, hugely successful
Olympic Games in 2012 and now he will be selling Britain.
Because one of the things that we need to do and it's very keen that we get on with this job is to start to do preliminary trade deals with countries
all over the world, whether it be within Europe or indeed the United States of America, China, Australia, and New Zealand.
And he's the guy who is instantly recognizable. He's very well famous everywhere and he will be the guy who will be selling Britain for us around
WARD: He is certainly recognizable, Nigel, but it's impossible to ignore the fact that he's also a very controversial character and perhaps not the
most popular with some European leaders. Do you think that could hurt him in this diplomatic world?
EVANS: Yes, I think he's hugely popular with us and that's important. He's the blond bombshell of politics. He's an iconic figure. He can get
away with things quite frankly than any of the politician. You know, they would be dead, politically dead.
Not Boris. He's made a huge comeback after being knifed in the back and front by one of his associates, Michael Gove. And he's short sprint to the
top, of one of the top three cabinet positions that are there.
I actually don't see him as hugely controversial. The man actually took up the campaign when we were 12 points behind. So he took the leave campaign.
He led from the very front. Everywhere where he went around the country, he drew thousands of people to him, in huge audience.
He came to my own constituency. He came to an action mart where a lot of farmers were there. They have a hard nose, but my goodness me. They
warmed to Boris. I think that that's what he'll do. He's got a charm about him.
He's got an intellectual capacity which he rather hides rather well from time to time. But him striding around these European capitals with his
hands stretched out saying, listen, we still love you Europeans.
Don't forget, he used to work in Brussels as a journalist and his father was a member of the European parliament, Stanley. So it's not that Boris
dislikes Europe, he loves Europe. We just don't want to be ruled by them.
WARD: OK, Nigel Evans, thank you. He certainly is a charmer. Now let's get some perspective on how the new prime minister might handle the Brexit
process from a German member of the European Parliament. Elmar Brok is the chairman of the Committee of Foreign Affairs. He joins me now from
We've heard again and again, Prime Minister Theresa May say Brexit means Brexit. How do you think European leaders and lawmakers like yourself are
going to respond to her appointment?
ELMAR BROK, CHAIRMAN EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS: It's very clear we accept the decision of the British people. She will
carry that out. We expect and hope that uncertainty will be stopped soon. That means in the foreseeable future notified and that we can start on the
Article 50 with the divorce negotiations and we have to be prepared. It will be tough negotiations, but hopefully not negotiation that will destroy
the British for the future.
WARD: But Mrs. May said that she won't implement Article 50 before the end of the year. Is that soon enough for Europe?
BROK: The sooner the better, the less uncertainty, but it would be -- in the course of this year, it would be fine and hope that we can start on to
November and December with the negotiations after Britain's government (inaudible).
WARD: Well, one of the other points of contention potentially is that Theresa May has said she would like to hold informal talks before Article
50 is implemented, but we've heard from the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, that she would not like to have any informal talks. What do you
think will happen? Could there be a butting of heads here?
BROK: I think it's very clear decisions of all the institutions, the council commissioned to European Parliament that there should be no
informal talks before. There will be bilateral meetings, but no informal talks between the European Union and the British government.
And to think we have to do now the divorce negotiation under Article 50 very (inaudible) what might be direction of the future relationship, which
will then has to be negotiated in the second treaty, which Britain has do as a third country with the European Union.
WARD: Of course, I have to ask you what your reaction as to the announcement that former London Mayor Boris Johnson, one of the leaders of
the Brexit campaign, will be the foreign secretary. How do you think that's likely to go down with European leaders?
BROK: We have a lot of (inaudible) as foreign minister. He would be suitable for (inaudible) congress, but not (inaudible). But let's how it
works. At least he has no responsibility for that what he has organized.
WARD: So all in all, do you view today's developments, the sort of political whirlwind here in Britain as a positive development?
BROK: I think that Theresa May is constructive (inaudible). She is going to be a tough negotiator. I know her from former times, but she will not
play around, so I think if we all have a good sense for cooperation that we'll be successful.
But it should be very clear (inaudible) there is no possibility to be fully member of our internal market without carrying the burden of the internal
market as anyone else.
Therefore, it should be clear that this cannot be the same membership in the internal markets up until now.
WARD: OK. Elmar Brok, thank you so much for your time.
Still to come tonight, human error may be to blame for a deadly train crash in Southern Italy. We'll go live to the scene of the accident next.
And then an extraordinary attack on a U.S. presidential candidate by a sitting Supreme Court justice. We'll see why Donald Trump is now calling
on Ruth Bader Ginsburg to resign. Stay with us.
WARD: Human error maybe to blame for Tuesday's deadly train collision in Southern Italy. Prosecutors have opened a manslaughter investigation, but
no charges have been filed in the crash which left 23 people dead.
Antiquated technology also may have played a role in the crash. It happened when two trains collided head on, on a single track.
With the very latest on the investigation, we turn now to Will Ripley. He's at the scene of the train crash between the villages of Andria and
Corato (ph). Will, tell us the latest that you're hearing there.
WILL RIPLEY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Clarissa. Well, it's now been 36 hours and more since this accident happened and you can see
there are still firefighters, police investigators who are out here working.
[15:20:05]They have recovered, they believed, all of the human remains after rescuing the survivors. Some of these people have been working well
over 24 hours without sleep. It's been emotionally exhausting as you might imagine. They discovered a mother who was holding her young child. Both
of them did not survive.
But they are holding on to some of the brighter stories out of here including the story of a young boy named Samuelle (ph), who they found
wedged behind a piece of metal when they rescued him. Here's what the national fire spokesman says happened.
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LUCIL CAN, FIRE SERVICE SPOKESMAN (through translator): When we found him, he was alone. He was scared. He was asking for his grandparents. We had
to care for him physically but also emotionally.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
RIPLEY: Sadly we have learned that both of his grandparents did not survive. Today Samuelle was in the hospital recovering and his parents
were there to celebrate his birthday, Clarissa. The mayor came to visit him. Very, very emotional.
Meanwhile, investigators have recovered those two black boxes from both of the trains as they tried to figure out exactly what happened. They were
relying on a phone communication system in order to make sure that both trains did not end up on a single track at the same time.
Obviously as the police investigators put it today something went terribly wrong. They're also looking at documents and video to try to clarify the
situation that ended up with two trains traveling at more than 100 kilometers an hour, more than 60 miles an hour head on, really shredding
the first cars. The passengers inside the car just didn't have a chance.
WARD: Will, we're hearing that the death toll was actually revised in the train crash. Do you have an understanding of why that was?
RIPLEY: The latest word from the officials, the (inaudible) press conference this evening, they have confirmed 23 people dead. The initial
report earlier was 27 people dead. The confusion comes from the fact that there are four families who insist that their loved ones are missing.
And yet they had police dogs out here just recently as a couple of hours ago trying to see if there was any other indication of human remains. They
didn't find anything.
A lot of these people held season passes for the train. So there wasn't necessarily a ticket that was purchased, which is why they still don't know
exactly how many people were on board or where those four other passengers might be.
WARD: OK. Will Ripley, thank you so much.
We have some more political news. There has just been have a flurry of activity behind me, people coming in and out of 10 Downing Street. I want
to go straight to our Robin Oakley who has been watching the door with wrapped attention. What are we learning now?
OAKLEY: One shock after another really. What is interesting is that Theresa May who has promised to be a one-nation prime minister looking
after the interests of the poor and going in a slightly different direction than David Cameron is now promoting a whole raft of right wingers.
Liam Fox who dropped out of the leadership after the first time round. He's in the cabinet. Philip Hammond, her longtime ally is the Chancellor
of the Exchequer. The significant thing is the resignation of George Osborne with David Cameron, the main architect of the economic reforms
under the government previously.
So he seems to be out. Unless there is some rule for him that she has in mind outside --
WARD: We're getting another word. I'm just learning now another major appointment, Conservative Member of Parliament David Davis has been
appointed the British secretary of state for exiting the European Union. This is essentially a new role that has been created according to the Press
OAKLEY: Indeed. He's one of the long-time right wingers, euro skeptics that I was talking about. We've heard he was going to get the Brexit job.
He was a former leadership contender. He contended the leadership against David Cameron and didn't get it.
And so he has got that key Brexit job and we will hear so much of that in the time to come. Michael Fallon has been reconfirmed as defense
secretary. The significance of that being there is a vote in the House of Commons on Monday about the future of the trident missile system.
One of the first things Theresa May had to do on coming back from the palace today is to write out in her own hand the instructions to Britain's
four nuclear submarine commanders as to what they do if London gets wiped out by some future attacks. Defense is very much on the mind of any new
prime minister coming in.
WARD: You know, Robin, I think one of the difficulties that David Cameron's government had was this perception of the leaders. That they
were so many of them had gone to the top British boys boarding school. Do you think that Theresa May, Prime Minister May with this new cabinet, she's
trying to shed that image at all?
OAKLEY: In a sense you would think she was because like her, Liam Fox didn't come from a particularly grand background. He went to state schools
like she did. But on the other hand, Boris Johnson, is another old (inaudible) who she's put in as foreign secretary.
That will be controversial even with some of the people who supported Boris Johnson's leave policies. One of the reasons why he didn't come through
and become the new leader of the Conservative Party and got stabbed in the back by Michael Gove was that he didn't seem to take the subject of
He came -- after the referendum, he disappeared from sight for three or four days where one careless article in the "Daily Telegraph," which he
dismissed immigration and said it wasn't the focus of the campaign.
WARD: OK. Don't go anywhere. We'll be talking to you later in the hour.
But moving now to the race for the White House, you just don't see this in U.S. elections, a presidential candidate locked in a bitter feud with a
Supreme Court justice.
But Donald Trump is now calling on Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg to resign even questioning her mental capacity after she called him a faker and a few
other things. Sara Murray has the details.
SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER (voice-over): Donald Trump intensifying his battle with Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Trump now calling on Ginsburg to step down, tweeting early this morning that, "Justice Ginsburg embarrassed all by very dumb political statements
about me. Her mind is shot. Resign."
In an interview with CNN, Justice Ginsburg blasted Trump as a faker who really has an ego. House Speaker Paul Ryan addressing the controversy in a
CNN town hall last night.
PAUL RYAN, U.S. HOUSE SPEAKER: I think it's out of place for an appointed branch of government. That shows bias to me.
MURRAY: Meanwhile Trump playing to the hometown crowd last night. Coyly hinting Indiana Governor Mike Pence might get the VP nod.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I don't know whether he's going to be your governor or your vice president, who the hell knows?
MURRAY: As Trump tries out potential running mates on the road, he still insist the picks is coming this week and Pence is aiming to prove his
prowess on the campaign trail.
GOVERNOR MIKE PENCE (R), INDIANA: I think it would be extremely careless to elect Hillary Clinton as the next president of the United States.
MURRAY: The vice presidential intrigue coming as both presidential candidates grapple with more somber issues on the trail. A string of
shootings claiming police and civilians alike.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: These tragedies tear at our soul.
MURRAY: Clinton responding with a call for national guidelines for police use of force and training about implicit bias.
CLINTON: Get law enforcement the support they need while also stopping the tragedy. The tragedy of black men and women and black children being
killed in police incidents.
MURRAY: While Trump says he stands unequivocally on the side of police.
TRUMP: The hostility against our police has to end.
MURRAY: Trump even claiming without offering any evidence that protesters in 11 cities marched in solidarity with the shooter who killed five police
officers in Dallas.
TRUMP: The other night who had 11, think of it, 11 cities potentially in a blow up stage, marches all over the United States and tough marches.
Anger, hatred, started by a maniac that some people asked for a moment of silence for him, for the killer.
MURRAY: Now Donald Trump caught some blowback for that last comment, which doesn't appear to be supported by any facts. But there are still good
reasons for the Trump campaign to be waking up happy this morning including a round of Quinnipiac swing state polls that show Trump and Hillary Clinton
are essentially tied in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and in Florida.
And on top of that, Donald Trump is keeping the veep stakes in high gear today. He decided to spend the night in Indiana last night. He's supposed
to be headed to California this evening for fundraisers. We'll see if that takes off as planned. Sara Murray, CNN, Indianapolis.
WARD: This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Coming up, Theresa May is in charge of the United Kingdom, but what sort of prime minister will she be? I'll
speak to a Conservative MP. Stay with us.
CLARISSA WARD, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Welcome back. Here's a quick look at this hour's top headlines. Britain's new Prime Minister Theresa
May is populating her cabinet tonight. We've confirmed moments ago that David Davis has been appointed British secretary of state for exiting the
European Union. That's effectively the Brexit secretary.
Earlier we told you May named former London mayor and well-known E.U. leave campaigner, Boris Johnson, as foreign secretary. Amber Rudd is the new
home secretary that's the post that Theresa May just vacated to take the top job.
Also Philip Hammond is the new Chancellor of the Exchequer. Hammond is the former foreign secretary. George Osborne resigned the chancellor's post a
short time ago. At least one position is remaining the same, Michael Fallon will stay on as defense secretary.
And it has been a whirlwind day in London. The queen has made a formal government. Just hours ago immediately after David Cameron's resignation,
May faces the challenges of Brexit. But in her first speech as prime minister, May stressed unity in the United Kingdom.
And human error may be to blame for Tuesday's deadly train collision in Southern Italy. The prosecutors have opened a manslaughter investigation,
but no charges have been filed in the crash which left 23 people dead.
Another somber day in Dallas as mourners pay their final respects to police officers killed in an ambush. The first of five funerals were held today.
Three officers were laid to rest as families and friends honored their lives with emotional tributes. The men were gunned down by a sniper last
It is just three weeks since the British public dropped a bombshell and voted to leave the European Union. What followed has been a political
whirlwind staring with David Cameron's announcement that he was resigning.
He is now gone and Theresa May is at the helm. The new prime minister faces some daunting challenges. She spoke a short time ago on the steps of
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THERESA MAY, UNITED KINGDOM PRIME MINISTER: I have just been to Buckingham Palace where her majesty, the queen, has asked me to form a new government,
and accepted. In David Cameron, I followed in the footsteps of a great modern prime minister. Under David's leadership, the government stabilized
the economy, reduced the budget deficit, and helped more people into work than ever before, but David's true legacy is not about the economy but
about social justice.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WARD: Let's get more on the comings and goings in Westminster. I'm joined from the Houses of Parliament by Therese Coffey, Conservative Member of
Parliament, who voted remain in the U.K.'s E.U. referendum.
Therese, it's been an absolute whirlwind here. What is the atmosphere where you are? How are people reacting to this flurry of news?
THERESE COFFEY, BRITISH MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT, CONSERVATIVE PARTY: Well, the British system is very -- some people may say brutal, but it's
effective and efficient. And one prime minister left today, David Cameron, who has been an excellent prime minister.
And we now have Theresa May, who will show strong leadership and a bold vision and really continuing to focus on the social justice agenda, the
life chances, helping people every stage of their life. She said that very eloquently in her speech tonight.
WARD: We've heard, of course, that Boris Johnson, the former London mayor, a major Brexit campaigner will be foreign secretary. Some people are
saying that that's quite a controversial decision. What do you make of it? What does the appointment say about the kind of prime minister that Theresa
May intends to be?
[15:35:10]COFFEY: Well, Boris is a hugely charismatic figure and he gave up being a Member of Parliament in order to run to be mayor of London
twice. If he hadn't done that, he almost certainly would have been in the cabinet already.
I think that his personal mandate that he enjoyed as mayor of London and that international reach I think will be a real plus. Almost everybody
around the world has heard of Boris Johnson. He'll have doors opening wherever he needs to go and he has shown that he can run a competent
administration and I'm really pleased that he's joined the government tonight.
WARD: When we saw David Cameron giving his farewell speech earlier, there almost seemed to be a sense of relief. Do you think that Theresa May maybe
inheriting a sort of poised chalice, if you will, with all of the challenges that lie ahead with Brexit?
COFFEY: I don't think that is the case. If I think back to 2010 when the coalition government walked in with David Cameron as prime minister and
George Osborne as chancellor, we had the biggest ever peace time deficit, you know, that's been cut by two-thirds.
Over a million more children are now in schools. That's a good outstanding more than it was before. More people in work than ever before. He's left
a really strong legacy.
Of course, there are challenges ahead. It's an uncertain world. We now have to deal with the outcome of the E.U. referendum and I'm sure that
they'll be very careful attention to detail played by the new appointment of David Davis alongside Theresa May.
But I do believe that (inaudible) we've got a new cabinet with a new prime minister who will take us on through those next challenges and also who
will determined to make the best of leaving the E.U. and doing what's best for the United Kingdom.
WARD: We're hearing now about yet another appointment. Liam Fox, we're learning, will be the international trade secretary. Downing Street has
just announced the appointment. Fox's position will likely be a key role as the U.K. tries to reestablish itself economically in a post Brexit
world. Therese, what's your reaction to that?
COFFEY: Liam Fox put forward this vision in his leadership bid to have a really powerful foreign office with international trade working alongside.
It's very clear that we need to go out and make new trade deals around the world.
Liam is a well-known Atlanta-cist, has very strong relationships to the United States. Of course, they are one of our key partners in geopolitical
relations, but also in our trading relationships.
So I think it's a savvy appointment and I'm confident that Liam will work very closely with Boris Johnson and of course, Philip Hammond, and the
WARD: OK, Therese Coffey, thank you so much for your insights.
This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. David Cameron is gone as prime minister. What sort of legacy does he leave? I'll be speaking to a noted historian
who has written about Cameron's time as leader. Stay with us.
WARD: After six years as prime minister of the United Kingdom, David Cameron's tenure came to a swift and unexpected end. So how will history
judge him? Max Foster has more.
MAX FOSTER, CNN ROYAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): David Cameron's promise of a referendum, ultimately the death knell of his leadership. The
argument over Britain's place in Europe bringing his time at 10 Downing Street to a dramatic end.
When Cameron first took office in 2010, it was against an unfamiliar backdrop, a coalition government for the first time in generations.
DAVID CAMERON, FORMER BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: We are announcing a new politics.
FOSTER: In this new era, Cameron oversaw the country's gradual economic recovery, a shrinking budget deficit and a record number of jobs created
although the process of austerity was painful for some.
Cameron maintains Britain's special relationship with America, joined the international coalition against ISIS and welcomed the world for highly
successful London 2012 Olympics.
When it came to reelection last year, even Cameron was taken by surprise when he won the majority. But that win came at a cost. Pressure from an
increasingly disgruntled group of Euroskeptican peace within Cameron's own party forced him to make a pledge.
CAMERON: Yes, we will deliver that in-out referendum on our future in Europe.
FOSTER: The Europe issue has divided Cameron's Conservative Party for decades.
CAMERON: I am not a British isolationist, but I do want a better deal for Britain.
FOSTER: In February, he went to Brussels to renegotiate Britain's position in Europe. He declared it a success, but his critics including high
profile members of his own cabinet said little had changed.
BORIS JOHNSON, FORMER LONDON MAYOR: Explain to the House and to the country exactly in what way this deal returns sovereignty over any field of
FOSTER: Having failed to convince even some of his closest political allies, Cameron's position going into the referendum was vulnerable. And
after the ballots were counted, Britain had voted to leave the E.U. and the PM fell on his sword.
CAMERON: We should aim to have a new prime minister in place by the start of the Conservative Party Conference in October. Delivering stability will
FOSTER: After days of political bloodshed to name his successor, a fellow remain campaigner, Theresa May outlasted the others forcing Cameron's hand
one last time.
CAMERON: I would attend the House of Commons for the prime minister's questions and then after that I expect to go to the palace and offer my
resignation so have a new prime minister in that building behind me by Wednesday evening. Thank you very much.
FOSTER: A hasty exit for a prime minister who dared to tackle the European question and lost. Max Foster, CNN, London.
WARD: Let's get more on Cameron's legacy. I'm joined from our London studio by Anthony Seldon, historian and author of the book "Cameron At 10."
Now Anthony, I want to ask you. You saw Cameron's speech earlier, he seemed almost buoyant, listing his achievements, almost essentially
preempting how he'd like his legacy to be seen. What do you think his legacy will be?
ANTHONY SELDON, AUTHOR, "CAMERON AT 10": Well, he was around for a long time. He was prime minister for over six years. That is the 14th longest
serving prime minister in British history out of 53, he was early seven other leaders of a party who served for longer times.
So I think we have to bear mind he is quite a significant figure. He never lost a general election. He emerged as victorious from two. He took over
in 2010 as prime minister. That's when the effect of the economic crisis of 2008 was still raging and he stabilized the economy.
He introduced a lot of social reform. (Inaudible) he was a giant risk taker. He took the biggest risk in British political history since the
Second World War.
He sought that this referendum on the E.U. would resolve an issue about which the British public were deeply, deeply divided. It also was a
position in his party that was almost intolerable for him.
He didn't call a referendum than he would have come under mountings pressure. So he called it. He thought he'd win it. He thought Britain
should remain in the E.U. so did President Obama and many other world leaders and Britain very narrowly lost.
[15:45:09]And here we have the remarkable events. So today happening here in London of a prime minister going, leaving Downing Street with his wife
and three children and incoming the new prime minister with no time, absolutely no time to plan out what she might do as prime minister. It's
WARD: What did you made of today's whirlwind? What sort of a prime minister do you think Theresa May is setting herself up to be?
SELDON: Well, she's a very different figure. She's ten years older than Cameron is, 16 years older than he was when he became prime minister.
She's a highly experienced figure. She's very calm and measured. She's been home secretary looking after the security of the nation for the last
She is measured. She is lesser flamboyant than he is. She is a very cool customer and she knows that she now has this awesome responsibility to
unite the country, to stop Scotland from breaking off and forming a separate country.
To find a way forward on the E.U., which means that Britain will leave the E.U. but without leaving all the advantages because we must remember that
almost half the country wanted to remain in it.
So this is a very deeply dividing issue and she knows that. I think her cabinet choices are unusual and inspiring and will give a very fresh face
to the government.
WARD: I supposed that it's somewhat inevitable that there will be comparisons to Margaret Thatcher as the second female British prime
minister. Do you see any similarities there or any real differences? Obviously it's early to tell, but I'm just curious to hear your
SELDON: Well, that's very interesting. They were both at university at Oxford. They both have very devoted husbands and obviously very happy to
support their political, their (inaudible) careers, but Margaret Thatcher was a much more ideological person. She was much more akin to President
Reagan and the states in the 1980s.
Whereas Theresa May is much more pragmatic. She is a much more considered figure who will take issues one by one and on the merits of the issue
without coming to those issues with a preconceived idea.
For Mrs. Thatcher it was all about a free market and she was conspicuously on the right winger of her party. Whereas Theresa May, much more of a
centrist. Theresa May I think a much calmer person really than Margaret Thatcher. So I think we are going to be in for a steady period from
Downing Street at a very unsteady time in British politics.
WARD: OK, our thanks to Anthony Seldon. We'll be watching very closely. Thank you.
SELDON: Thank you.
WARD: Coming up, David Cameron made one last appearance at prime minister's questions in parliament and seemed to be in a jovial mood.
We'll hear what he had to say to his fellow MPs. Stay with us.
WARD: Prime minister's questions has been a weekly ritual for David Cameron. In fact, during his time as leader, he was asked more than 5,000
questions. Earlier, he did it for the last time and had a little bit of fun along the way.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Questions to the prime minister.
DAVID CAMERON, FORMER BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: Mr. Speaker, this morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others. Other than one
meeting this afternoon with her majesty, the queen, the diary for the rest of my day is remarkably light.
Let me say something to the democratic process of leadership election because I did say a couple of weeks ago, I have to say I'm beginning to
admire his tenacity. He's reminded me of the black knight in Monte Python's "Holy Grail." He's been kicked so many times, but he says, keep
going, it's only a flesh wound. I admire that.
And the rumor that somehow I don't love Larry, I do. I have photographic evidence to prove it. Sadly, I can't take him with me. He belongs to the
House and the staff love him very much as do I.
This session does have some admirers around the world. I remember when I did his job and I met Mayor Bloomberg in New York and we walked down the
street and everyone knew Mike Bloomberg, and everyone came up and said, Mayor, you're doing a great job.
No one had a clue who I was until eventually someone said, hey, Cameron, prime minister's questions. We love your show. I will watch these
exchanges from the back benches. I will miss the roar of the crowd. I will miss the barbs of the opposition.
I will be willing you on and when I say willing you on, I don't just mean willing on the new prime minister (inaudible) or indeed just willing on the
front bench defending the manifesto that I helped put together but willing you all on.
Because people come here with huge passion for the issues they care about. They come here with great love for the constituencies that they represent
and also willing on this place because yes, we can be pretty tough and test and challenge our leaders.
Perhaps more than some other countries, but that is something we should be proud of and we should keep at it and I hope you would all keep at it and I
will you on as you do.
The last thing I'd say is that you can achieve a lot of things in politics. You can get a lot of things done. In the end, the public service, the
national interest, that's what it's all about. Nothing is really impossible if you put your mind to it. After all, as I once said, I was
the future once.
WARD: I was the future once. That was a punch line a decade in the making. Here's Cameron back in 2005 referencing then Prime Minister Tony
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CAMERON: It's only our first exchange and already the prime minister is asking me the questions. This approach is stuck in the past and I want to
talk about the future. He was the future once.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WARD: Well, let's get the latest on all the political comings and goings. What a day it has been, Robin? I mean, you've been standing here. You've
seen one prime minister go and another arrived.
ROBIN OAKLEY, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: And the sheer phase of the reshuffle has taken the breathe away, really, but what is interesting, the
whole of British politics is looked at now through the prism of which side people were on in the referendum, where they leavers or where they
It has to be said, so far in the making of this cabinet, the leavers are doing much better than the remainers. OK, Prime Minister Theresa May voted
to remain. Philip Hammond, her new Chancellor of the Exchequer, he voted to remain.
But look at the leavers, new foreign secretary, the really big surprise in this reshuffle, Boris Johnson, arch leave campaigner. International trade
minister, Liam Fox, long time right winger, he's virtually invented that new job to give Britain a new trading rule in the post-Brexit world.
Also David Davis, another former contender for the Conservative leadership is to be the Brexit minister, the man actually in charge of all the
negotiations with Europe. So the leave are doing pretty well so far.
The only question is Michael Gove and Andrea Leadsom, the woman who pulled out of the leadership campaign to let Theresa May get the job, no sign yet
of a job for either of those two.
WARD: Is there a sense now though with everything that's happened in the last few days that Great Britain is finally going to turn a corner that it
can start to put to rest some of the political instability of the last three weeks or as we just looking at the tip of iceberg?
OAKLEY: Well, Theresa May presented herself today as a continuity prime minister in one sense, I'm carrying on it's going to be one nation
conservative (inaudible) policies just like David Cameron she was saying.
But at the same time, she's put forward a pretty radical program of the people she wants to help.
[15:55:05]She was talking the other day about all the things she wants to do with the business and economic communities, stop the fat cats getting
big salaries, put workers representatives on company boards, publish the ratio of how much the guy at the top gets and how much the person at the
She's talking very much about helping ordinary people who struggle with their daily lives to pay their mortgage, to get their children into the
right school and say the government is on their side.
She's trying to take the territory that the Labour Party has occupied in the civil service center left of British politics as well as the right
wingers who she can account on.
WARD: But can you recall any time in recent British political history when a new prime minister has walked into such a daunting task ahead of them?
OAKLEY: No. This is the toughest task any British prime minister has succeeded to in peace time. Extricating Britain from the European Union,
from 40 years of history, it really is such a very, very difficult job. No. It's completely daunting and Brexit is going to dominate everything
she does for the next three years probably.
WARD: Our Robin Oakley, thank you so much for all of your insights throughout the day.
Now before we wrap up tonight, let's update you on the status of Larry, you should in fact be able to see now. He's, of course, Downing Street's
beloved cat. The talk of the town maybe Brexit, but Larry for his part is a remainer. He'll stay on with the new prime minister.
There had been a rumor that David Cameron was not a fan of Larry. The former prime minister debunked this before his resignation and tweeted this
picture as proof.
This has been THE WORLD RIGHT NOW live from 10 Downing Street. Thank you for watching. "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" is up next.