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Aired July 21, 2016 - 09:30   ET

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[09:30:00] SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: Laid out last night was not a speech that was focused on me. Last night was a speech that was focused entirely on the United States of America, on a path forward. Our country is at the edge of a precipice. We are at the risk of losing the greatest country in the history of the world. And my soul cries at where this country is, at what we're doing to the freedom of our kids and grandkids.

And what I said last night is what I believe is the only path to saving this country. And it is not simply blindly chanting a name and yelling down dissenters. That is not -- I believe in free speech.

Let me point out, by the way, can anyone imagine our nominee standing in front of voters answering questions like this? I owe this to you. I owe this to you every day because I work for you. And so I'm going to answer -- I'm going to answer the questions, even fellas who yell and scream and insult. You know what, you've got a right under the First Amendment to express your views, and I'm going to defend your right even to insult me. That's what I believe.

But when you said it's about the United States of America, I can tell you this, if we don't defend freedom and the Constitution, and if we don't make the case to the American people that our candidate can be trusted to defend freedom and the Constitution, we will lose, and we will deserve to lose. My speech last night was entirely about this country, and how we save this country, and I am going to continue to tell you the truth each and every day, whether or not it is politically helpful or convenient. I wasn't elected to do the convenient thing. I was elected to stand up and do what's right, and that's what I will do each and every day.

Thank you and God bless you.

CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: All right, you saw it, Senator Ted Cruz. And all I can say is, wow. Wow. You heard Ted Cruz say it, this is personal. You also heard -- he would not say whether he would vote for Donald Trump. Certainly will not endorse Donald Trump. And going back to that first thing I said that Ted Cruz said, it was personal, is this a sign that the Republican Party is coming apart? Let's talk about that. National political reporter for Real Clear Politics, Rebecca Berg, is here. Joseph Borelli, he's the co-chair of Donald Trump's New York campaign, he's with me now. CNN political commentator and Republican strategist Kevin Madden is here. And former Georgia Congressman Bob Barr, who's a Ted Cruz supporter, but he does intend to vote for Donald Trump.

Welcome to all of you.

So, Kevin, I'll throw that -- that question to you.

KEVIN MADDEN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Oh, great, you've got to start with me.

COSTELLO: Yes, I've got to start with you, clearly. It's just like that was truly astounding.

MADDEN: Yes, it was. It was emblematic, I think, of a lot of the divisions that are very apparent right now in the Republican Party. I think that's why for so many folks who look at conventions as part of the pageantry of bringing the party together, putting on a displaying of unity, this has been a complicated few days for the party. So I think --

COSTELLO: That's an understatement.

MADDEN: Yes, it is an understatement. And -- but it's not -- not all -- all is not lost. I think a lot of Trump supporters are so confident in Donald Trump's ability to bring the party together with just his speech or make a case to the voters, and I think that's why there's so much --

COSTELLO: But when you listen to Senator Ted Cruz --

MADDEN: Yes, I know.

COSTELLO: That appears impossible.

MADDEN: I know.

COSTELLO: He says -- he said it's personal because of the things that Donald Trump said about his wife and his father.

MADDEN: Yes. Yes. It is -- it is -- I think -- I wouldn't say it's impossible, but it is improbable. And -- but they do have a great deal of confidence that tonight's speech will be that moment. But, man, the stakes just got much bigger today. I mean we are seeing, you know, this -- this civil war with -- inside the Republican Party play out on live television.

COSTELLO: Bob, you've been in politics a long time. You were a Ted Cruz supporter, although you say you're going to vote for Donald Trump. Why is Ted Cruz doing this?

BOB BARR, TED CRUZ SUPPORTER: Ted Cruz is doing this because Ted Cruz believes in the Constitution. He started his speech last night, and he ended his speech last night, talking about the Constitution. And it really seems to me that what Senator Cruz --

COSTELLO: Is it -- is it really about the Constitution --

BARR: Absolutely.

COSTELLO: When he said -- he admitted it was personal between Donald Trump?

BARR: You're -- you're taking one part out of what he said and --

COSTELLO: Extrapolating.

BARR: Balancing that against everything else that he said. The message that he delivered is giving on a silver platter to the Trump people the way to win the election. And that is, go out there, talk about the Constitution. Convince people that Donald Trump will support the Constitution and understands the Constitution. And instead of Trump's supporters thanking Ted Cruz for that and saying, yes, you're right, that's what we're going to do, they start whining and picking a fight with him. They have to get over that and focus on the big picture.

[09:35:13] COSTELLO: OK, Joseph, it's your turn.

JOSEPH BORELLI, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Well, I don't know if it was Trump supporters per say. I mean, don't forget, we went into this convention saying how so many of these delegates were not Trump supporters. Everyone that I heard -- look, I was standing 15 feet away from Ted Cruz. Everyone in that convention center was appalled by what he was doing. He started out -- right, you're right, talking about the Constitution. (INAUDIBLE) --

BARR: They were applaud because he said stand for the Constitution?

BORELLI: No, no, they were -- they were appalled because we applaud sportsmanship. We like to see two teams shake hands at the end of it. And what you had was, you had someone start off --

BARR: This isn't a football game.

BORELLI: But you had someone start off talking about a great principle -- great principles in the Constitution, and then you'd almost forgot who Ted Cruz was. And then we were quickly reminded how insufferable of a person he could be and he's just not likeable. He's just not likeable.

BARR: For standing for the Constitution?

MADDEN: See, here's the problem with what you're saying is that by saying that everybody in that -- in that -- in that arena last night was appalled is just not true. There are very -- there's very principled --

BORELLI: Kevin, (INAUDIBLE) crowd (INAUDIBLE) --

MADDEN: There is very principled opposition to Donald Trump right now. And for Donald Trump supporters to not acknowledge that, address it, and try and persuade those folks, you saw what Ted Cruz said tonight. He's like, I'm going to listen, just like everybody else. I want to be convinced that Donald Trump has the right vision for the country. Convince me.

And what you're doing right now by attacking that and by -- it's only going to make it worse. BORELLI: But, you see, that's the point (ph).

MADDEN: I think that's one of the burdens that comes with being the nominee is that it's incumbent upon that nominee to bring the party together. And even though they're opposition in (ph) principle.

BORELLI: But see you have -- you have two candidates. You have one candidate that supports conservative values. You may not agree with everything Donald Trump says, but he is infinitely better than Hillary Clinton. We're just asking for Ted Cruz to, hey, say -- acknowledge that. He needs to acknowledge that.

BARR: And Ted Cruz said that.

MADDEN: You need -- you need to make that case.

BARR: He said that.

BORELLI: Fair -- fair point. And I think we're going to tonight, as you pointed out.

COSTELLO: So, Rebecca, as you watch the argument unfold here, going back to -- how -- how can there possibly be unity after a spectacle like that and what happened last night at the convention? Ted Cruz was booed from the stage. His wife had to be escorted out by security. The Trumps were angry, right, because the kids sat there with grim looks on their faces. Donald Trump had to go on to the convention floor and interrupt Cruz's speech to take attention away.

REBECCA BERG, NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER, REAL CLEAR POLITICS: Exactly. It was, as Kevin pointed out, this was a perfect illustration of the residual divisions in the Republican Party at this stage. And it was remarkable to watch play out on the convention floor.

But the Trump campaign is actually arguing that this is a unifying moment for Republicans. We saw the reaction to Cruz's speech last night.

BORELLI: Even (INAUDIBLE) delegation this morning.

BERG: And actually, many of these delegates were uniting against Ted Cruz. Not because they necessarily are very excited about Donald Trump, because there is still a great deal of weariness about Donald Trump within the Republican Party. But as you saw play out in the Texas delegation meeting this morning, these delegates were pointing out to Ted Cruz that if you are not supporting Donald Trump, you are de facto by default supporting Hillary Clinton. And I think this is why Ted Cruz's decision to make these remarks in this setting on the convention floor was a very big political risk for him because if Donald Trump loses, will Republicans then come back to him in the future in his re-election campaign in 2018, or if he runs for president again in 2020, will they come back and then say, you helped Hillary Clinton get elected.

COSTELLO: Well, here's the confusing thing to me. And I'll pose this question to you. Ted Cruz said, called the Trump people three days ago and said I'm not going to endorse Donald Trump. I'm just not going to do it. Yet the Trump people allowed him to speak at the convention in primetime. Why take the chance?

BORELLI: Look, Donald Trump made the offer without condition. He said, you're welcome to speak. You finished number two. He extended the offer to every single other candidate who ran against him. I think that's showing some magnanimity in winning, which is, again, goes back to my point, you want to see sportsmanship. You want to see the two candidates, two teams shake hands at the end and move forward. Put the attention on the opposition, the real opposition, instead of each other.

Look, I don't think it's a good look for him.

COSTELLO: I'm -- I'm going to interrupt you because Paul Manafort, of course Trump's campaign manager, is now talking about Senator Ted Cruz and this whole snafu on the convention floor. Let's listen.

PAUL MANAFORT, TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER: Last night who disagreed with what Senator Cruz did, including in his home state of Texas, and who unprompted, coming up to us saying that this wasn't right of Cruz and they are supporting the Trump/Pence ticket.

And beyond that, in the audience, you know, the millions of people who were watching the -- watching the convention, we think it became very clear to everybody that senator -- well, I mean that Donald Trump has been very magnanimous in his outreach program. He invited all the presidential candidates who ran to participate in this convention and speak. He felt that they had gone through the crucible of a campaign and they had the right to speak. And there were no conditions put on any of them. We've never said that there were conditions put on it. Everyone who did attend in his own way said that they support the ticket or are going for the ticket or endorsed the ticket. Only Senator Cruz chose to -- to slip away with something on conscience and, frankly, he was the only speech in the convention that was poorly received by the body at -- in the -- in the hall. That was Senator Cruz's decision. Mr. Trump invited him because he wanted him to have the opportunity to speak.

[09:40:19] As to their obligations. Well, they all signed pledges. Everybody knew about the pledges. They knew what that meant, what obligation that put on them and how they interpret their obligation. Senator Cruz, the strict constitutionalist, chose not to accept the strict terms of the -- of the pledge that he signed. So as far as the contract was concerned, he was the one in violation, not anybody else.

QUESTION: Mr. Manafort, yesterday Donald Trump told "The New York Times" that he would apply some conditions before helping countries like Turkey and NATO, should they have advances by Russia. Can you explain what that means? Is he suggesting there should be a new standard for whether the United States helps NATO countries?

MANAFORT: No, what Mr. Trump has said consistently is that he thinks NATO need to be modernized and NATO needs to be brought into the world of the 21st century where terrorism and ISIS, which didn't exist when NATO was created, are taken into account the way they -- they deal with things. I mean back when NATO was created, it was more nation state operations. Today it's -- it's a more -- it's borderless countries of ISIS that present challenges to the -- to the west. I'm not going to get into a foreign policy speech today, but he was talking about needing to modernize things.

Any other questions about the convention?

Yes.

QUESTION: Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the DNC chairwoman, said yesterday that there was a threat of anti-Semitism throughout the Republican Party that's landed at the feet of Donald J. Trump. And the truth is, we've seen white supremacists among the protesters. We see white supremacists among the protesters here. We've seen -- we saw Linda Ingles (ph) comments on the YouTube shutdown because of that. I mean, what do you say about what Debbie --

COSTELLO: All right, we're going to break away from Paul Manafort and, obviously, he was not happy with Senator Cruz' performance last night on the convention floor or at that breakfast meeting this morning.

But I want to talk a little bit about -- about this -- this, well, actually let's talk about Paul Manafort and -- you know, he's -- always seems to be cleaning up messes. That's the best way to put it.

MADDEN: Isle seven, Paul Manafort.

COSTELLO: No.

BARR: I think -- I think -- I think he's -- he's making messes. What the best thing that the Trump campaign could do would be not to keep giving legs to these divisive discussions. He did it -- he did it with John Kasich. Now they're doing it with Ted Cruz.

What Paul Manafort ought to be doing is running the darn campaign, not rehashing Senator Cruz. I mean what they ought to be doing is saying, we heard what Senator Cruz is saying and has said and that is, we need a candidate who supports the Constitution. That is exactly what Mr. Trump has done and is going (ph) to doing.

COSTELLO: That's really not -- that's not the campaign's style, though. It's combative.

BARR: Well, then -- then they're going to have a real problem with that if that's not the campaign's style.

COSTELLO: And that's what -- that's what their supporters like about -- about Trump.

BARR: Well, they have --

MADDEN: Well --

BARR: To do more than reach out to their supporters. They have to reach out to a lot of other people if they're going to win. MADDEN: That's right. The core supporters right now that support

Donald Trump, if you want to look at the polls, it's not enough to win. And I think the congressman's right, every campaign is emblematic, or I think they're -- they take on the personality of the candidate themselves. So when you see so many times Manafort going out there and causing some more controversy, causing more division, it hurts the overall goal of the campaign, which would be to secure your base and go out there and persuade those voter who have yet to make up their mind. Every single one of these distractions the last couple of days has complicated those efforts.

COSTELLO: So why doesn't Paul Manafort change his style?

BORELLI: Well, to speak to Kevin's point directly, you know, yes, there's been some distractions, but ultimately you see, despite all of them, Hillary Clinton's numbers continue to go down, or at least trending down, and Donald Trump's numbers continuing to rise in the polls. This is without spending --

MADDEN: That's not true, but --

BORELLI: Any -- any money.

MADDEN: That's not true at all.

BORELLI: No, it is true. I mean look --

MADDEN: No, because on the average polling -- and we have Real Clear Politics here, so the average --

BORELLI: And we see it. We see Hillary's going this way, Donald Trump's going this way.

MADDEN: The average poll -- the average polling -- no, the average polling trend right now shows him significantly behind. If you were to average all the national polls. So that's not true.

BORELLI: I'm acknowledging he's behind. I'm saying he's trending up.

MADDEN: You have -- there's a challenge ahead.

BORELLI: I'm saying he's trending up.

MADDEN: He's under 40 in a lot of states.

BERG: And you would hope after -- the goal of a national convention for both parties is always to give the nominee a boost of momentum heading into the general election. And I'm really wondering, looking at the way this convention has gone, with all of the dramas, the controversies, the missteps from the Trump campaign, whether that will be the case in this situation and whether he will get a boost.

COSTELLO: I want -- I want to go out to Jason Carroll right now because he's standing by with a delegate who was present at that breakfast meeting, hearing Senator Ted Cruz's remarks. What can you tell us, Jason? [09:45:00] JASON CARROLL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: A few delegates were standing by with, one of whom is Geraldine Sam, and she asked one of the most poignant questions of the day. She stood up and addressed Senator Cruz and she said, this is not about you. This is not about your wife. This is not about Donald Trump. This is about the United States of America. That was met with resounding applause and a stand ovation. She broke down in tears. I want to bring her in now.

GERALDINE SAM, TEXAS GOP DELEGATE: Hi.

CARROLL: Obviously you're still very upset about what's going on.

SAM: Yes.

CARROLL: Tell me why that question and how you're feeling now about the response.

SAM: I'm very upset about Senator Cruz because, number one, as he was running for office, he has the right to run, but he lost. On the vote, on the floor, he lost in that vote. I came into this convention as a Cruz delegate, and I expected, if he lost, then he would uphold that -- where he said that I signed a pledge to support the party's nominee. And he is not honoring that pledge.

I grew up saying that your word is your bond. And if your word is not your bond, if you were not going to do it, if you were not going to do what you said that you were going to do, then you shouldn't have said it. You shouldn't have made that promise to me and all of the other people. I think he lost credibility with me (INAUDIBLE).

CARROLL: Geraldine, what about his response. You said that Senator Cruz said, yes, he initially had signed that pledge and he was going to abide by the pledge, but that after all of those personal attacks on his wife, he said he was not going to be like some sort of puppy dog and turnover and then just blindly endorse someone. Were you satisfied by hearing those words from him?

SAM: Let me tell you, I'm a former mayor of the city of Aramark, Texas. My life was threatened as a mayor. I was called the "n" word many times. And, guess what? I still support my city. I still support those council members. I still support my town that I live in. So you have to, hey, that's been said and done. I -- you know, whatever was said about his wife, whatever was said about his father, you know, that's a personal thing. But you have to get over some of that thing. I don't -- I'm not trying to belittle it or say, hey, it doesn't count. I'm just saying that we're here today to support and unite the Republican Party and what he did was to tear the Republican Party down and -- and it's not going to work.

CARROLL: You know, some have said that this is a microcosm for what is going on within the GOP at large, fractured party, even a fractured Texas delegate. What does this say about the party going forward?

SAM: Well, we as the Texas delegation, came. We're a family. As you notice --

CARROLL: And families fight.

SAM: And families fight. There are 10 of us (INAUDIBLE) and we're going to bring on everything. As a matter of fact, we're going to bring politically Democrat or Republican. We don't agree. But, guess what, in the end, we are the same family and we're going to come together and we're going to do what's right for the family. And that's what I expected him to do, was do what's right for the family, because, in the end, it's not about him. It's not about his wife. It's not about his dad. Because they're not the Republican Party.

We are all the Republican Party. We are the party of the people. We are the party of opportunity for all people. We are the party that will allow equal opportunities for all people to be successful and have opportunities to be successful life.

Our educational system is broken. I agree with Donald Trump on that. I agree that our children --we don't want to put them on the pipeline to prison any more. We want to give them jobs and opportunities. And it's not about him.

Take that off your shoulder. Look, sacrificing, and say that I'm here to support the party, I endorse the nominee and that's all he has to say. It's over. He didn't hurt the party. He didn't hurt anybody else. I was disappointed because of what he said because, guess what, with or without him, the Republican Party is going to go forward and we will survive and we will move over that hurdle and move on.

CARROLL: All right, Geraldine, as you said, it is a family. Families disagree.

SAM: Yes.

CARROLL: I just want to very quickly bring in someone who does not share your opinion. Tell us about why you believe Senator Cruz did the right thing?

DIANNE WILLIAMS, TEXAS GOP DELEGATE: Well, actually, I think Senator Cruz agrees with most of the principles that you just talked about, Geraldine, but there's one about holding people accountable and being true to yourself. And we wanted someone who would be honest a true to your -- himself. And we saw that today.

Now, what he said was, he said, I want you to go out and vote your conscious, and I want you to vote. I -- I think that says it all for each one of us. If our conscience says, Donald Trump is the one we need to support, we'll vote for him. And he also said, I'm waiting to see. I want to see what will happen between now and November. I -- I -- my personal opinion is, Donald Trump has a lot of work to do. There are a lot of us that are upset of not just what he did to Ted, what he did to many people, he needs to come in and apologize. He's going to be the president we were hoping for, then he will stand by the Constitution, that he will preserve our values, that he will do the right thing and shut up his ugly mouth and quit saying nasty things about people. That hurts our country. The one you're talking about. That hurts all of us. He's got to grow up and be presidential and prove to us that he's the man we need to get out and yell for and support and that he will present himself well.

[09:50:36] CARROLL: What is it going to take to --

SAM: And that's why -- and that's why he brought Pence on board, to level everything out. And, guess what, when you say go out and vote, guess what, that is so vague because my family's going to go out and vote. You can tell my -- I can -- I teach school and I can tell the children to go out and vote. That's such a vague answer. But, guess what, it's all about coming together as a party, as a nation, together. That's what it's all about.

CARROLL: Geraldine, thank you. This is a debate clearly -- that's going to be enough. Thank you very much, Geraldine.

SAM: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

CARROLL: Thank you, Dianne.

WILLIAMS: You're welcome.

SAM: Thank you, Dianne. And, look, and Dianne --

CARROLL: Appreciate that. Clearly this is a debate that's going to be going on for quite some time. They're going to give each other a hug here.

WILLIAMS: Love you.

CARROLL: That's probably what the party's looking for, Carol, as you see there, that is what the party's looking for --

COSTELLO: Oh, my goodness.

CARROLL: People on both sides of the issue to eventually come together and get behind each other and hug each other. But clearly this is a party, as you saw right here just from this mini debate here with just these two women, still fractured but still trying to come together.

Carol.

COSTELLO: Oh, I'm telling you, that hug touched all of us on set. Thank you very much, Jason Carroll.

You know what Geraldine was talking about was Ted Cruz not keeping his pledge to support Donald Trump. Ted Cruz said he stood on that debate stage and put his hand up and said I will support Donald Trump, but he said then things changed because it got so personal. And I just want to remind our viewers just how personal it got between Donald Trump and Senator Cruz during the primary. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: He is like a little baby. Soft, weak, little baby, by comparison. But for lying, he's the best I've ever seen. He's the best.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: And yet another temper tantrum or, if you like, yet another Trump-er tantrum.

TRUMP: Lyin' Ted Cruz.

CRUZ: Donald, you're a sniveling coward and leave Heidi the hell alone.

TRUMP: But he's a cheater. He's a cheater. He's a dirty rotten cheat.

He was a failed senator. He couldn't get anything passed.

CRUZ: This man is a pathological liar. He lies practically every word that comes out of his mouth. A narcissist at a level I don't think this country's ever seen. The man is utterly amoral.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSTELLO: So, Joseph, you heard Ted Cruz, he said it was personal. He said things changed after Donald Trump started, you know, dissing Ted Cruz and also dissing his family. He called Ted Cruz's wife ugly. He accused his father of having something to do with JFK's assassination.

BORELLI: Look, it's personal on both sides.

COSTELLO: Words matter.

BORELLI: You saw from that clip that both candidates took extremely aggressive shots at each other. That said, you still -- you know, you have almost an obligation --

COSTELLO: He also intimated Ted Cruz wasn't an American citizen.

BORELLI: But -- but you have -- look, you have almost an obligation when you're running for president in a major party, to put things aside once the -- once the general of the primary election season is over, you're obligated to come together and support your opponent. If you don't do that, you're essentially supporting the other side and that's what so many people, including myself, including nearly every delegate on the floor last night, that's the problem they had. It's not a problem --

BARR: I don't -- I don't -- I don't think -- the problem is you didn't even listen to what was said on the floor last night. What Senator Cruz said over and over and over again, and he said this morning as well, and apparently your political filter doesn't let you hear this. He is saying, we are at a crossroads. We are a party and we as a nation have to decide if we want a president of principle or personality. Ted Cruz was talking about the Constitution, the Constitution, the Constitution, and contents and you keep going back to the personal stuff.

BORELLI: But you're right on some level. But you're right on some level because you -- (INAUDIBLE) choices.

COSTELLO: So but -- but -- but just in listening to those delegates, they were bothered by Donald Trump's personal life. BARR: Well, fine, you know, they're from Texas and you can find somebody that will, you know, that will cry and somebody that won't and so forth, you know, and the hug might be fine, but there's something far more important going on here, and that is, we have a decision to make as a nation. And Ted Cruz is simply saying what I and a lot of voters are saying, Mr. Trump, you are now the nominee of the Republican Party. You have a high likelihood of being president. Get out there and talk about the Constitution and talk about principle.

COSTELLO: Well, why have you decided to vote for Donald Trump then if you feel so strong --

BARR: Pardon?

COSTELLO: Why have you decided to vote for Donald Trump if you feel so strongly about this?

BARR: I said I intend to vote for Donald Trump. Now --

COSTELLO: Are you changing your mind?

BARR: I'm not changing my mind. I have changed my mind. I was a very, very strong Cruz supporter. What I'm now saying is, as the nominee of our party, I intend to vote for Donald Trump. But, like Ted Cruz, I intend to watch very carefully what Mr. Trump does between now and the election to assure myself, as an American citizen, that there is more going on with Mr. Trump then simply the personality of Trump. I want to see him articulate and understanding and a vision of the Constitution.

[09:55:25] COSTELLO: So what could Trump --

MADDEN: This is the voter that Donald Trump has to address tonight. This -- these -- this opposition right now, this resistance, principled resistance right now has to be addressed. And to Joe's point, your argument is complicated by the fact that your campaign spent the last two days calling the governor of the most important swing state in this election an embarrassment. So you have a lot of work to do if you're going to address a lot of this skepticism.

BERG: And, you know, I think we've forgotten about Mike Pence, who also spoke last night, and part of the reason that Donald Trump chose him as his running mate was as an effort to unite the party. So this is something that clearly his campaign is beginning to think about and that's why we likely will hear --

MADDEN: And they totally stepped over -- Rebecca and --

BARR: Somebody needs to remind Mr. Manafort of that.

MADDEN: It's a great point and they totally stepped on the Mike Pence (INAUDIBLE) last night. We're not even talking about it.

COSTELLO: I know. I know. The only thing people will remember is Ted Cruz's speech, right?

BORELLI: Right.

COSTELLO: I've got to end it there. Thanks to all of you for you instant analysis. I do appreciate it.

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