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HANNAH VAUGHAN JONES, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello there. I'm Hannah Vaughan Jones standing in for Hala Gorani, live from CNN London, and this


The glitz, glamour, and occasional chaos of the conventions is now over and now the real fight begins. Either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump will be

the next president of the United States and they're wasting no time getting out on the road.

Donald Trump is in the state of Colorado. This was Hillary Clinton a short time ago in Pennsylvania. She said voters face a stark choice come



HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I have to tell you, it was also kind of overwhelming. I take deeply and with great humility the

responsibility that this campaign imposes on us. There is no doubt in my mind that every election in our democracy is important in its own way.

But I can't think of an election that is more important certainly in my lifetime and it's not so much that I'm on the ticket. It is because of the

stark choice that is posed to America in this election.


JONES: That speech just an hour or so ago, comes after a hitting-making and glass-shattering night in Philadelphia, when Hillary Clinton accepted

the Democratic Party nomination for president. As Joe Johns explains, she took a direct aim at her Republican opponent in her speech.


CLINTON: It is with humility, determination, and boundless confidence in America's promise that I accept your nomination for president of the United


JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Hillary Clinton drawing a sharp contrast with Donald Trump's vision for America.

CLINTON: Don't believe anyone who says I alone can fix it. Those were actually Donald Trump's words in Cleveland and they should set off alarm

bells for all of us. Really? I alone can fix it? He's forgetting every last one of us. Americans don't say I alone can fix it. We say, we'll fix

it together.

JOHNS: Repeatedly slamming Trump.

CLINTON: We heard Donald Trump's answer last week at his convention. He wants to divide us from the rest of the world and from each other. He's

betting that the perils of today's world will blind us to its unlimited promise. He's taken the Republican Party a long way from morning in

America to midnight in America.

JOHNS: Questioning his judgment.

CLINTON: Imagine, if you dare, imagine, imagine him in the oval office facing a real crisis. A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can

trust with nuclear weapons.

JOHNS: Knocking Trump's understanding of the issues.

CLINTON: Now, Donald Trump, Donald Trump says, and this is a quote, "I know more about ISIS than the generals do." No, Donald, you don't. You

didn't hear any of this, did you, from Donald Trump at his convention.

He spoke for 70-odd minutes, and I do mean odd and he offered zero solutions. But we already know, he doesn't believe these things. No

wonder he doesn't like talking about his plans. You might have noticed, I love talking about mine.

[15:05:07]JOHNS: Clinton also using her speech to praise Bernie Sanders and reach out to his supporters.

CLINTON: I want you to know, I've heard you. Your cause is our cause.

JOHNS: Hoping to broaden her base with all voters.

CLINTON: I will be a president for Democrats, Republicans, independents, for the struggling, the striving, the successful, for all those who vote

for me, and for those who don't. For all Americans together.

JOHNS: Clinton's daughter, Chelsea introducing her mother.

CHELSEA CLINTON, DAUGHTER OF HILLARY AND BILL CLINTON: People ask me all the time, how does she do it? How does she keep going amid the sound and

the fury of politics? Here's how. It's because she never, ever forgets who she's fighting for.

JOHNS: The nominee herself acknowledging the history of the moment.

CLINTON: Standing here as my mother's daughter and my daughter's mother, I'm so happy this day has come. I'm happy for grandmothers and little

girls and everyone in between. I'm happy for boys and men, because when any barrier falls in America, it clears the way for everyone. After all,

when there are no ceilings, the sky's the limit.

JOHNS (on camera): One thing Hillary Clinton did not address head on was the issue of voter trust, which dogged her throughout the primaries. The

case she seemed to be making for herself was that what's more important at this stage is readiness for the job and competence. Joe Johns, CNN,



JONES: The Trump campaign released a statement slamming Clinton's acceptance speech. It says, quote, "Hillary Clinton's speech was an

insulting collection of cliches and recycled rhetoric." It goes on to say she spent the evening talking down to the American people she she's looked

down on her whole life.

So how did Hillary Clinton do? Let's get some analysis on all of this. CNN's political analyst, John Avlon, joins me from New York. He's also the

editor-in-chief at "The Daily Beast." And also CNN political commentator, Mary Katherine Ham is in Washington for us. She's also a senior writer at

"The Federalist."

Thank you both for coming on the program. John, I'll come to you first. There was so much buildup before Hillary Clinton's speech. Numerous

presidents went before her and numerous celebrity endorsements as well. When it mattered most, did she deliver?

JOHN AVLON, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, I think she gave a strong speech but not a great speech by sort of the hall of fame speech standards. You

know, there is so much scrutiny for these nominating addresses.

In some ways her position was analogous to the first President Bush in 1988 who had been in the public eye for a long time, wasn't particularly

beloved, questions about his capacity to be commander-in-chief, and not a lot of insight into the heart that drove him into public service.

Peggy Noonan (ph) wrote a speech for him that night, famous as the "thousand points of light" speech. There was no soaring rhetoric or great

climax to the speech.

What it was is it was very effective in hitting the points she needed to make. She went after Donald Trump, using humor, questioning his fitness

for office, spoke about the passions that drove her to public service, acknowledging her deficiencies as a candidate.

And also said, look, if you're frustrated about the economy, what you should be frustrated about is the state of our politics, our democracy, and

here's what I think I can do about that.

So I think she gets great marks on sound bites, but there wasn't the kind of craftsmanship you come to expect from a peak moment like this of a

presidential campaign.

JONES: OK, Mary Katherine, what did you make of it? I mean, overall, she'd really took aim at her Republican counterpart, saying that he was

dangerous and divisive and that she was the one to build bridges, not build walls. Do you think it's effective in terms of the viewing public

back home and of course, the voters come November?

MARY KATHERINE HAM, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Right. Here's the thing, she's never going to be a great speaker. She's been practicing for 30

years and she's still not great at it. And the Democratic National Convention knows that and they built this pageantry around her that boosted

her and there is a lot of great speakers, a lot of great sort of messaging coming out of it.

When she was speaking I think that argument was where she was strongest when she's saying he's unfit, he doesn't sweat the details of policy but I

do, he's baited with a tweet, I'm not. I think those are her strongest arguments.

And they're not particularly uplifting but this ain't going to be an uplifting election. This is an election where they're both going to be

arguing that the other one is unfit.

The American people, frankly, unfortunately for Hillary, don't see a stark choice. It's even for a reason, because they see two not-great choices and

that's what she's battling back against, but I think it's her strongest argument.

JONES: It's this big argument isn't it about fear over hope in which one wins true. I mean, the Democrats would say that their convention, hope

does indeed Trump fear, if you like. Is that naive, do you think, John?

[15:10:07]AVLON: No, I think that was very much their intention. I mean, look, Donald Trump is quite explicitly running on fear, presenting himself

as a reincarnated Richard Nixon, talking about law and order, you know, silent majority, secret plans to win wars.

I mean, that's very much Donald Trump's strategy. It's divisive. It is about closing rather than opening a society. But you know, I think -- one

of the points that Mary Katherine Ham made is important especially which is that the entire Democratic convention was A, building towards an optimistic

message, but B, trying to co-opt a lot of messages that have been historically Republican.

Really embracing the military, not shying away from talking about victims of terrorist violence. The most powerful moment when a Muslim father of a

Marine who'd been killed in 2004, really questioned Donald Trump, saying have you read the constitution.

And it was very much about presenting Hillary Clinton as a commander-in- chief and making that credible. So they're being strength and heart, and I think they achieved that by treading on the territory, which is

traditionally been seated to Republicans.

JONES: And of course, unity as well was the focus of both conventions really. The fact that both parties have been ripped apart by the primary

season so far.

Mary Katherine, I wonder if you could answer about this, do you think that Hillary managed to reach out to the Bernie or bust supporters and has

Donald Trump reached out to Republicans who have so far just have failed to get on board with him?

HAM: Yes, so they're both walking a hard line here. Both conventions were going to have some element of chaos and some of element of disgruntled

voters. I think the DNC put on a better show over television.

I've heard from people who are in the room, it didn't feel as unified and fluffy inside the room. But the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC

together had a plan for walking that line. It's very tough to bridge from Trump folks that you might pull over moderate Republicans and Bernie folks

who are very far left.

But she's trying to walk that line. They've tried to narrow cast to certain constituencies, speakers from earlier in the night. Her tone was

moderate and some of the themes of the night were moderate, but the policy was very liberal.

So she's trying to walk that line. Donald Trump's campaign and the RNC didn't have a plan for walking that line at all, so he just get out and

does Donald Trump's thing. I think that's the difference. She has a plan.

It's going to be hard to do for either one of them. Unity and reaching out for these folks is not easy and it won't become easy in the near future.

But she's going to have a very specific plan for doing it and the Donald Trump campaign is not going to.

JONES: It's interesting that you mentioned about the unity as well as the plan that Hillary Clinton obviously has. The two conventions seemed very

different in style. Some would argue that the Democrats definitely have more plans in place for the style and the look of the convention.

Whereas the Republican convention was slightly more haphazard, if you like. Is that a fair assessment of what we can expect in the months to come as

well and the 101 days that we've got left, John?

AVLON: Yes, I mean, look, Donald Trump himself said today, he didn't have anything to do with the convention, he just showed up and gave a speech,

which illustrates the extent to which this is just the Donald Trump show. That can make for great entertainment.

But the question I think for the American people is whether that form of bread and circuses is going to be sufficient for picking the next leader of

the free world.

Hillary Clinton is disciplined at times to a fault. But the one thing she's done in terms of just even her VP pick, which I think is the most

important action that indicates underlying strategy of a campaign, is she picked a centrist governor from a swing state who can help bridge out and

expand her beyond a progressive base.

Some folks in the far left were unhappy about that, but she did it nonetheless. And I think that speaks well to a campaign strategy of

building out beyond the base.

Donald Trump was convinced to go with a conservative, Mike Pence, but someone who may have more limited appeal in terms of building out, although

he may help solidify working class whites in the Midwest.

JONES: Fascinating to talk to both of you. John Avlon and Mary Katherine Ham, thank you very much for your analysis of last night. No doubt we'll

be speaking to you again over the course of the next 100 days or so.

Well, as John was mentioning in one of his answers there, one of the more poignant speeches at the convention on Thursday came from the father of a

U.S. soldier killed in the Iraq war.

Khzir Khan (ph), a Muslim, lost his son in a suicide bombing in Baghdad 12 years ago, appealed to voters to support Hillary Clinton. He accused

Donald Trump of smearing fellow Americans who belong to religious minorities.


KHZIR KHAN, FATHER OF FALLEN U.S. SOLDIER: Donald Trump, you are asking Americans to trust you with their future. Let me ask you, have you even

read the United States constitution? I will gladly lend you my copy.


[15:15:07]JONES: Great father there. We will have much more from the United States later on in the show. Donald Trump and a Hillary Clinton

supporter will go head to head in the next hour. We'll also debate the Democratic and Republican conventions.

Still to come, Pope Francis makes an emotional and historic visit to a World War II concentration camp. We'll have a full report.

Also ahead, violence in Syria hits maternity hospitals supported by Save The Children. All that and much more when THE WORLD RIGHT NOW continues.


JONES: Hello. Welcome back to THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. We want to take you now to Poland where Pope Francis is wrapping up an emotional today. The

pope is now back in (inaudible) after making his first ever visit to the Nazi concentration camp in Auschwitz in Birkenau. He also met several

holocaust survivors while he was there. CNN's Delia Gallagher has our report.


DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN VATICAN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): During his third day in Poland, Pope Francis walked alone through the main gate of the

former Nazi concentration camp of Auschwitz. He wanted to come in silence, he said, and pray.

Honoring more than 1 million people who lost their lives here. He first stopped at the wall of death, where inmates were executed. Francis also

visited the cells that held so many. He prayed in the dark at the cell of St. Maximillian (inaudible), a Polish priest who sacrificed his life to

save the life of another man in the camp.

A few miles away in Birkenau, holocaust survivors, relatives and representatives of religious communities waited under the sun for an

emotional ceremony.

The pope met survivors and heard their painful memories. According to Marian Turslo (ph), a survivor and Jewish activist, Pope Francis felt like

an old friend.

MARIAN TURSLO, HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR: He was in the camp until the last day, almost the last day, and put into the death march to Buchenwald. How long?

Half a year. But if you take into consideration, as the commander used to say, if you are Polish, it's enough for you to survive. If you are a

priest or a Jew, I don't think you could survive longer than a week or two weeks.

[15:20:09]GALLAGHER: Pope Francis also met a group of Christian Poles, who risked their lives to help Jews during the German occupation. The pope

opted for no speeches inside the former concentration camp.

But signed the camp's guest book with this message, "Lord, have mercy on your people, Lord, forgiveness for so much cruelty." Pope Francis is the

third pope to visit Auschwitz after John Paul II and Benedict XVI. For Francis prayer and presence were his way of honoring of the memory of all

those who lost their lives here. Delia Gallagher, CNN, Krakow.


JONES: In Syria, no claim of responsibility yet in the bombing of a maternity hospital. It happened in the north western city of Idlib. The

hospital is the only one providing maternity services in that area.

The news of the attack came from the charity Save The Children, one of the hospital supporters. There is no word yet on any casualties.

In nearby Aleppo, though, aid workers there estimate 35 percent of all dead and wounded are children. CNN's senior international correspondent,

Clarissa Ward has the latest.


CLARISSA WARD, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: This is what remains of much of Aleppo, once Syria's most populous city now an

apocalyptic moonscape. This video was released by the Syrian Army as it celebrates cutting off rebel forces in the eastern part of the city.

Leaflets have been dropped on the besieged areas, warning residents to leave. Syria's President Assad says he will offer amnesty to armed rebels

who surrender. Russia claims humanitarian corridors will be opened.

But after months of relentless bombardment, many are too afraid to leave their homes and recent history has taught people here to be highly

suspicious of government promises.

JOHN KIRBY, U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESMAN: What needs to happen is the innocent people of Aleppo should be able to stay in their homes safely and

to receive the humanitarian access, which Russia and the regime have in principle agreed to provide.

WARD: We made the drive into rebel-held Aleppo just a few months ago. Berms of earth flank the road to protect from enemy fire.

(on camera): We now have to drive extremely quickly along this portion of the road. On one side you have the regime and on the other side you have

Kurdish fighters who are now fighting against rebel forces. And there are snipers all around here. But this as the only road now to it into Aleppo.

(voice-over): That road is now completely cut off, leaving some 300,000 people trapped. The U.N. paints a grim picture of life inside. Prices are

up as much as 300 percent. Food will run out within weeks.

STAFFAN DE MISTURA, U.N. SPECIAL ENVOY FOR SYRIA: The clock is ticking for the Aleppo population. The commodities probably available in Eastern

Aleppo are sufficient for maximum three weeks.

WARD: For most here, the memory of the siege of Hamz is fresh in their minds. Government forces cut off food and supplies as they continued to

bomb the city for years. A siege in Aleppo would likely be even longer and uglier, although it's hard to imagine how much uglier it can get. Clarissa

Ward, CNN, London.


JONES: We turn our attention now to Turkey, where more than 18,000 people have been detained since the failed military coup two weeks ago. The

country's interior minister says of that number, more than 9,000 have been formally arrested pending trial.

Turkey has repeatedly blamed the attempted coup on U.S.-based preacher, Fethullah Gulen. Meanwhile, Turkey's deputy prime minister says the

country is going to, quote, "a major test" as it responds to that failed coup.

He was speaking to our Richard Quest who joins me now in the studio. Richard, turbulent times for Turkey, the world's spotlight is on Ankara as

well. What did the deputy prime minister say to you?

RICHARD QUEST, CNN ANCHOR, "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS": He's very much in the western sphere, he speaks perfect English. He's the finance minister. He

gives a very urbane approach to these criticisms and a robust response to them.

So when you say to him, look, deputy prime minister, the world believes you're doing a version of cleansing in the sense of getting rid of

opposition, getting rid of academics, journalists, even airline employees, he recognizes the criticism.

[15:25:06]He points out to what he calls the vicious, violent coup, and then he goes on to also acknowledge the role that Turkey has in how it

handles it.


MEHMET SIMSEK, TURKISH DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER: I think Turkey is going through a major test and the test is, you know, whether or not turkey will

be able to handle this within the rule of law and in a fashion that would actually be consistent with post-coup attempt new environment.

The new environment is where entire Turkey, regardless of your ethnic or political background, there is less political tension, there is more

cohesion. Everybody is united.


JONES: Did he have anything to say about the allegations about torture, human rights abuses, at the moment the regime is facing from the world?

QUEST: Yes, Amnesty has criticized sharply the allegations of rape, beatings-up, and deprivation. He says his Justice Department or the

Justice Department in Turkey has looked into this, and has found no evidence of this.

So I said to him, are you saying, deputy prime minister, that this is not true? He says, no, what he's saying is they haven't found any evidence,

but he reiterated the point that under the rule of law they take it very seriously and will continue to investigate.

So you have a straightforward he said/he said, Amnesty says these abuses are taking place. The Turkish government says so far they have no evidence

that they are.

JONES: I do believe we'll have that full interview that you conducted in "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" at the top of the hour. Richard, thanks very much


This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Coming up, a tale of two conventions and two Americas. As the political parties wind down, who had the most successful


Plus the Rio games are just a week away and the athletes aren't the only ones still practicing. First responders are out there busy as well,

getting ready for something they hope never actually happens.


JONES: Welcome back. You're watching THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. The top stories this hour, Hillary Clinton is on the campaign trail in Pennsylvania

with just over 100 days until the U.S. election.

On Thursday, she accepted the Democratic nomination for president. She is the first woman in U.S. history to lead a major party's presidential


Pope Francis made his first visit to the Nazi concentration camp at Auschwitz in Birkenau. He also met briefly with several holocaust

survivors. The pope is in Poland for World Youth Day.

French Prime Minister Manuel Valls says --

HANNAH VAUGHAN JONES, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: -- Pope Francis made his first visit to the Nazi concentration camps of Auschwitz and Birkenau. He

also met briefly with several holocaust survivors. The pope is in Poland for World Youth Day.

The French Prime Minister, Manuel Valls, says France's justice system failed to prevent the church attack in Normandy. He told the "Le Monde"

newspaper, it was a, quote, "Failure to allow one of Tuesday's attackers to be release after he was caught trying to get to Syria."

The Zika virus has been transmitted by mosquitoes in the United States state of Florida. Health officials confirmed four cases, the first from

mosquitoes in the continental U.S. It's believed the transmission is confined to a small part of the Miami area and an investigation is now


OK. Two weeks, two conventions, and two very different visions for America. The Republicans and Democrats both put on quite a show to lure in

the voting public. But who did it better? We have this roundup first to refresh your memory.




TRUMP: And gratefully --

CLINTON: And boundless confidence --

TRUMP: Accept --

CLINTON: Your nomination --

TRUMP: For the presidency --

CLINTON: Of the United States.


SENATOR TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: God bless the United States of America.

MELANIA TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP'S WIFE: If you want someone to fight for you and your country, I can assure you, he's the guy.

FORMER PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON: She's still the best change maker I have ever known.

RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NEW YORK MAYOR: Vote for Donald Trump for a safer America and for an America headed in a different direction. Greatness.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: There has never been a man or a woman, not me, not Bill, nobody, more qualified than

Hillary Clinton to serve as president of the United States of America.

MIKE PENCE, U.S. REPUBLICAN VP NOMINEE: He's a man known for a large personality, a colorful style, and lots of charisma. And so I guess he was

just looking for some balance on the ticket.

TIM KAINE, U.S. DEMOCRATIC VP NOMINEE: We're going to destroy ISIS so fast, believe me. There's nothing suspicious in my tax returns, believe


IVANKA TRUMP, DAUGHTER OF DONALD TRUMP: This is the moment and Donald Trump is the person to make America great again.

CHELSEA CLINTON, DAUGHTER OF HILLARY AND BILL CLINTON: I know with all my heart that my mother will make us proud as our next president.

TRUMP: I am your voice.

CLINTON: Don't let anyone tell you that our country is weak. We're not.

TRUMP: I will restore law and order to our country.

CLINTON: Really? I alone can fix it?

TRUMP: My message is that things have to change and they have to change right now.

CLINTON: Americans don't say I alone can fix it. We say, we'll fix it together.


JONES: There you have it, your roundup of the last fortnight in U.S. politics. So joining me now to discuss which convention reigned supreme,

we've got Trump supporter and CNN political commentator, Scottie Nell Hughes in New York. Plus Hillary Clinton supporter and trade union leader,

Lily Eskelsen Garcia in Washington for us.

Ladies, thanks very much for joining us on the program. Lily, I want to start with you. You're a Clinton supporter, of course, she said I'm the

most qualified, I'm a history maker. I'm a mother, a grandmother. Was this enough of a personality package, do you think, to really give her the

momentum going forward?

LILY ESKELSEN GARCIA, PRESIDENT, NATIONAL EDUCATION ASSOCIATION: I absolutely think it was. I had a lot of people supporting Hillary Clinton

who after this convention said, I know so much more about her, I didn't understand that she started fighting for underprivileged children, disabled

children and their rights to go to school as a young lawyer right out of law school, and has always had that lifetime service for children, for

families, for social justice.

And I think a lot of folks who were impressed with her qualifications ended up saying, now I'm impressed with her as a human being.

JONES: Scottie Nell Hughes, she also to spend a lot of time, Hillary Clinton did, tearing down your man Donald Trump laying into his character,

whether he's got the temperament to sit in the oval office as well.

[05:35:03]And interestingly no mention whatsoever of any of the scandals that have beset her campaign and the e-mail server scandal as well. Do you

think this is a tactic that we'll see from Clinton now going forward for the next 100 days, effectively saying to the American people, if it's a

choice between me and Donald Trump, I'm the lesser of two evils?

SCOTTIE NELL HUGHES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: That's to be expected, I mean, listen, political conventions are both pep rallies for the base.

Both groups are trying to go after independents I think with their conventions.

The Democrats tried to make themselves look more conservative by bringing up people that are Republicans, by bringing aboard generals and officers,

trying to appeal to those.

The Republicans say, we're more open minded, we brought up the first outright gay business maker and had him get a standing ovation. We're a

new diverse party. Both sides were going after those independents.

You're right, I think the tactics that Hillary Clinton used last night. She should continue to try. I think that's probably her best way because

what you're going to see Donald Trump going after is her lack of record.

She looks great on paper, has a phenomenal resume, but we're kind of tired of that. We've seen where great resumes have gotten up. After eight years

of President Obama, the question is, is she really the change maker or is she going to be a third term of President Obama that a lot of Americans are

very upset with.

JONES: I guess one of the problems that she has is that Donald Trump seems to have controversy over controversy and just seems to gain in support as a

result of it, he seems to thrive on scandal. How does Hillary Clinton counter that when she's going along the lines of I'm tried, I'm tested, I

have all the experience. It's not as fun, is it, Lily?

GARCIA: Well, her experience is to deliver things like health care to millions of children with the children's health insurance program, the

special education funding. All the things I fought for all my life as a schoolteacher.

When you take a look at Donald Trump, you're looking at the difference between a lifetime of service and a life of self-service. It's absolutely

appalling to those of us who have looked at these races for a long, long time.

To see someone who is a fraud, to see someone who actually has hurt people, has cheated the people who have built his casinos and his hotels, that's

what Donald Trump is going to be running from, his own record of how he has destroyed small businesses that worked with him.

HUGHES: It's going to be a hard sell, that a politician isn't self- serving, I think most people in America today realize politicians are the most self-serving, and often someone who has been in politics as long as

Hillary Clinton put herself before their constituency.

You want to talk about scandals, Hillary herself talked about the Hillary standard, and the FBI director said she did commit wrong on purpose,

there's a bill going through the House and Senate saying she doesn't deserve necessarily a security clearance because of how she handled past


She does have a Hillary standard in some of these things that will be continuing. That's why the majority of people don't trust her right now.

And this convention, the whole goal was to sit there and engage people, make her look warm and fuzzy and trusting.

On those two points, they did not accomplish their goal. She's going to have to carry that out on the campaign trail.

JONES: I want to get your reaction to this as well --

GARCIA: People who were cheated out of their money by a fake university? This guy has a lot to run from. She's going to be making sure people know

about it.

JONES: Ladies, I just want to interrupt for one second. Scottie, in particular, I want to get your reaction, this was last week, Donald Trump's

convention, the Republican convention, he was talking about bringing America together again, if you like, and saying that anyone who promotes

hatred or violence in the U.S. has no right to be in America.

It was just then, the supporters he was talking to in Iowa earlier, after Hillary Clinton had given her convention speech, that he hit back and he

said, and I quote, that he wanted to hit DNC speakers who have criticized him.

Let's just have a listen first to remind our viewers as to what Donald Trump said.


TRUMP: The things that were said about me. I wanted to -- I wanted to hit a couple of those speakers so hard. I wanted to hit them. No, no. I was

going to hit them -- I was all set. I was going to hit one guy in particular, a very little guy. I was going to hit this guy so hard his

head would spin, he wouldn't know what the hell happened.


JONES: First of all, we don't exactly know, even though we contacted the campaign, we don't know who exactly he was talking about, although Scottie,

you might be able to shed light on that. Your reaction to this aggressive rhetoric.

[15:40:02]HUGHES: Well, it's not physical. Even at CNN, many of the anchors on CNN have said they 100 percent believe that's a not physically

aggressive, that's a far stretch because he's used those words in the past.

Hitting is what my other panelist has been trying to do is sit there and hit him for his record. It was nothing meant physical, to try to say that

it is ludicrous and a sign of desperation.

Because that's exactly what's happening right now. You're seeing them both verbally attack each other, hit each other back, and you cannot say any way

that that was meant to be physically.

JONES: Lily, your response to that?

GARCIA: I disagree.

HUGHES: Of course.

GARCIA: It's a Trump effect that's out there. I represent 3 million school teachers and education support professionals in the United States.

We're hearing all across the country people who are calling in and saying, look, my kids are starting to think it's OK to bully.

They think it's OK, especially if you're Latino or if you are Muslim, they starting to say things like, and when Donald Trump is president, he's

sending you back to Mexico. Kids that aren't even Mexican, and are Americans who were born here.

It's absolutely astonishing that someone who wants to be the leader of the United States of America thinks it's OK to talk about this vengeful kind of

language, I'll get you back. It's vindictive. It's irresponsible. It's starting to affect our students.

HUGHES: I can't believe you say that on a day that once again American police officers in San Diego were targeted. To sit there and say those

sort of things and blame it on Donald Trump is almost as ludicrous as saying that yesterday, when they did recognize police officers at the DNC,

people started booing, that kind of rhetoric doesn't provide solutions.

That's our problem in America today, you sit there and try to throw these insults and make these stretches, and it's creating more tension amongst

Americans that are causing those types of aggressions.

To blame it on either side of the candidate of those things that are happening in school, I think that is a far stretch. And I think that's why

the American people, the majority of them are not buying it. Mr. Trump continues to lead in the polls. And even progressive states like Oregon

right now, he's just two points below.

JONES: OK, Ladies, we are going to have to leave it there, I'm sure we could debate for the rest of the evening if we do to, and no doubt you

probably will for the next couple of months as well. Lily Eskelson Garcia and Scottie Nell Hughes, we very much appreciate your time on the program.

Thank you.

You're watching THE WORLD RIGHT NOW, where a steady stream of athletes are currently arriving in Rio including an unusual scene brought together by

conflict. You'll hear their stories.


JONES: The Rio games now just one week away from the opening ceremony, and there's still uncertainty about who will be competing in some of the events

as a result Russia doping scandal.

[15:45:10]The International Weightlifting Federation has just banned Russian weightlifters from the competition that was announced an hour ago.

No order yet whether any of those athletes will appeal that decision.

But at the same time, some people in Rio are still protesting the games itself. At a demonstration during the Olympic torch run, the flame was

extinguished and Olympic officials were forced out of a neighborhood.

Rosa Flores is in Rio for us. Rosa, you're meeting with first responders who are preparing for the worst.

ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: They are, there are different facets of the preparation for the Rio games and this is one slice of it. We got

exclusive access to a safety drill were first responders are honing their skills ahead of the games.


FLORES: CNN getting exclusive access to a fire drill involving firefighters. Now, here is the scenario. They tell us that the scenario

is an explosion. An explosion has happened, these firefighters have brought in a firefighter who is hurt. He's brought into this tent for


And you can see that all of these are hazmat and medics as well. This is triage. This is where they are assessing the situation, figuring out what

is wrong, and if there is anything toxic involved that they have to handling.

They're cutting his clothes at this moment, assessing the situation and he's actually going to be hosed down. These are very tense moments right

now, because not only are they protecting themselves from whatever is on the body, they're also trying to protect the victim, in this case a


Now, in the meantime, there are other patients also coming in in this drill. You can see in this case it is a woman who has been injured. Now,

she is actually conscious, so she's speaking. Medics here and hazmat team members are asking her questions and trying to assess her situation.

Now, we've learned that there will be 146 ambulances on the ready during the Olympic Games throughout the city of Rio. Four of those will be

dedicated to anything involving chemical, nuclear, or biological.

Now, as you can see, he's being moved to the next level of this phase, of this triage. What that means is that now he is ready to be taken by the

medics and into the hospital.

Now, once inside the hospital, he would be taken to whatever unit he needs the most, whether it be ICU or for any kind of surgery. But the key thing

here is the following.

These drills are paramount, because the lessons learned here could mean life or death during the Olympic Games.


FLORES: Now organizers tell us that the Athletic Village is completed, all 31 buildings are done, the Olympic venues are completed, although there are

reports you can hear some hammering inside, so they're probably patching and finishing those up.

When it comes to the metro that connects the beaches where most of the people will be staying and those venues, Hannah, those open on Monday, just

four days before the beginning of the Olympic Games.

JONES: Rosa, thanks very much indeed. Still last minute preps going on there behind you. Thank you very much, Rosa there for us in Rio.

Well, Olympic athletes are arriving in Rio at a stead phase including some of the world's refugee athletes who will be competing under the Olympic

flag. CNN's Lynda Kinkade tell us more about these determined athletes whose goals go way beyond Olympic gold.


LYNDA KINKADE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): They come from South Sudan, Syria, Congo, and Ethiopia. Together they form the Refugee Olympic team.

The athletes that will be competing in Rio under the Olympic flag in an effort to highlight the struggle of refugees worldwide.

The South Sudanese athletes have been training in Kenya as they prepare for the games.

PAULO LOKORO, OLYPMIC REFUGEE TEAM 1500 METER RUNNER: I'm very prepared. There are so many people, not me alone.

KINKADE: Syrian refugee, Yusra Mardini (ph) fled the war in her home country in a dingy across the Mediterranean Sea. Now aged 18 she's on her

way to Rio.

YUSRA MARDINI, OLYMPIC REFUGEE TEAM SWIMMER: It's the first time it happened to me. It's my first Olympics. So I think it will be an amazing

experience for me.

KINKADE: The athletes are hoping their presence in Rio can inspire millions of refugees in camps around the world.

ROSE NATHIKE, OLYMPIC REFUGEE TEAM 800 METER RUNNER: For me, I feel very excited because this time it is the first chance for the refugees to

participate in the Olympics, and to give us hope that for us maybe to encourage the young generation to continue their talent.

[15:50:12]KINKADE: For others, the Rio Olympics are a chance to reconnect with friends and family while giving hope to all refugees that better days

will come.

PUR BIEL, OLYMPIC REFUGEE TEAM 800 METER RUNNER: When somebody calls you a refugee, you feel ashamed. Even some of them, maybe, they don't have the

chance to do everything as a human beings can do. Like going to a school, most of them they are staying in camp because they lose hope in life. But

as an ambassador for them, I can say that don't lose hope in life. You have a chance to change your life.

KINKADE: More than a Billion refugees made their way into Europe last year, many of them originating from war-torn countries like Syria,

Afghanistan, and Somalia. The United Nations says there are over 65 million refugees worldwide, the highest number ever, estimating that 24

people are displaced every single minute.

These Olympic Games are about more than winning medals. They're about giving refugees the strength to carry on their fight. Lynda Kinkade, CNN.


JONES: Coming up, a tale of two conventions. U.S. Republicans and Democrats fought for viewers. Who came out on top? We'll take a look,



JONES: Democrats scored a big victory early in their convention week by reaching for a galaxy of "a" list stars and also pulled in huge ratings.

According to Nielsen Ratings, the Democrats' biggest success was day two, when they had 5 million more viewers than the Republican had on the same

day the week before.

But according to unofficial ratings that are just in, Donald Trump's speech on the final night of the Republican convention drew in about 2 million

more viewers than Clinton's historic moment last night.

CNN Money media senior media correspondent, Brian Stelter, has been looking at the story and joins us now live from New York. Brian, it was a "New

York Times" article that said that Clinton's convention was made for TV and Trump's was made for Twitter. Of those two media platforms, which was the

most effective and as a result, who had the better show?

BRIAN STELTER, CNN MONEY SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: Television remains king. The Democrats did have the better show, the better production. You

think about the number of "a" list stars onstage, the number of political heavyweights like ex-presidents who were there.

Then you think about Hillary Clinton and the historic nature of her speech on Thursday night. But all that said, Donald Trump was still a significant

ratings draw, perhaps drawing from his reality TV background, and from his ratings magnetism over this past year of his campaign.

It does look like he drew a slightly larger number of viewers for the big cable and broadcast channels in the U.S. the final numbers will come in

over the next few hours, it will shake out a little bit.

But Clinton was a little bit behind Trump in terms of total viewership figures. What's interesting about it is that it shows there is a split, as

we see in polls, as we see in public opinion research, as we see in the TV ratings, basically these two candidates have almost equal number of viewers

that are interested in them.

It's unclear how much duplication there is between the two. But it's kind of a divided America. The ratings once again show that this week.

[15:55:00]JONES: It's interesting, looking at these ratings. The indications of Hillary Clinton's effect is still coming in, but did the

number of viewers correlate into who gets the biggest bounce in the polls?

STELTER: In 2012, it did. Democrats had the higher rated convention and had a better performance in the national election with the reelection of

Barack Obama. But if you look back over the last ten presidential elections, convention ratings are not a good indicator of whether the party

that's the highest rated is actually going to retain or gain power.

It can go back and forth every four years. So what these ratings do show us is the amount of interest in the candidates, in the leaders that are

onstage. We know with Trump and with Clinton, we're talking about two of the most famous people in the world up against each other for the


That's why already, even though we're 59 days away from the debates, there's already so much anticipation for these debates. There's curiosity

about whether Donald Trump will actually show up and a lot of curiosity about how Clinton will try and take him down. We've got two months, I

suppose, to pregame before the debates.

JONES: Brian, briefly, what do you see the two candidates going forward with their media strategy? Clinton has already spent a fortune on ads.

Will Trump do the same?

STELTER: Trump has been badly outgunned, $7 million versus $60 million by Clinton's allies and super-PACs. If Trump proves he doesn't need the ads

that would be a landmark moment in American politics. You know, billions of dollars are spent on these ads. If it turns out he doesn't need these

TV ads, it's going to mean a lot to the future of politics.

JONES: OK, Brian, we appreciate it, thanks very much.

This has been THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Thank you very much for watching. "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" is up next.