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Trump: If Ivanka Were Harassed, I Hope She'd Quit; Dallas Police Chief's Words Resonate with Community; Troubling New Details in Past of Hot Air Balloon Pilot Prior to Crash. Aired 2:30-3p ET

Aired August 02, 2016 - 14:30   ET

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[14:30:00] GINA LOUDON, BEHAVIOR AND PSYCHOLOGY EXPERT & HOST, AMERICAN TRENDS WITH DR. GINA & TRUMP SUPPORTER: But I also think we have to be careful not to put the burden on the target of the harassment. If there is harassment going on in the workplace, it needs to be diligently pursued. I think that same diligent pursuit needs to happen in the case of false accusations as well. So this is a really complicated issue. I'm really glad that we're talk about it because I think it is hard to define. And most of the people that experience it don't know exactly where to turn, or even for sure if it happened to them sometimes.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: I think your point is precisely why we are talking about this today.

Rachel, because what was missing in the comment was --

(CROSSTALK)

BALDWIN: -- do something about it.

RACHEL SKLAR, FOUNDER, THE LIST: It is too bad that she's not speaking directly for Donald Trump, because that's the point. Right? Which is the fact that the burden should not be on the target of the --

(CROSSTALK)

BALDWIN: To quit and go find another job.

SKLAR: Of course. Most Americans can't just say, oh, I'm going to quit my job and find another one. It is just yet another Donald Trump is in an elitist bubble that he hasn't even bothered to think outside of.

BALDWIN: There's a piece of the criticism.

But I think what really got a lot of people was, from his son, on "CBS," this morning, this is what Eric Trump said.

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ERIC TRUMP, SON OF DONALD TRUMP: What you're saying is Ivanka is a strong, powerful woman. She wouldn't allow herself to be subjected to it. By the way, you should certainly take it up with Human Resources. I think she definitely would, as a strong person. At the same time, I don't think she would allow herself to be subjected to that. I think that's a point he was making, and I think he did so well.

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BALDWIN: Gina, wouldn't allow herself to be subjected to sexual harassment. I'm sorry, but I hear that and I'm like, what?

LOUDON: Well, certainly women need to do everything they can to stand up to such injustices in the workplace should they happen. And I think that any father would advise his daughter, if she could, to get out. And so I think that when we look at things like power -- because that's what this really comes down to. This is about power. This -- it doesn't matter if you are Republican or Democrat, doesn't matter what line of work you're in, if you're gay or straight, sexual harassment happens in about -- I think statistics are 50 percent of women report it. And --

(CROSSTALK)

SKLAR: Should 50 percent of women quit their jobs then?

(CROSSTALK)

SKLAR: Should 50 percent of women then quit their jobs? Are 50 percent of women powerless --

(CROSSTALK)

SKLAR: -- and not using their power as Eric Trump and Donald Trump are saying? Because that is bananas.

LOUDON: No. I think what they're saying is that any family member, when asked if it was possible, would one to flee that situation. But I also think this comes again down to power. It is interesting, I think many supporters of Donald Trump's would submit that it is power like what happens in an establishment bureaucracy that lends itself to this sort of unfettered power that can be very dangerous in the workplace, even --

(CROSSTALK)

BALDWIN: OK, OK, hold on, hold on.

Here's the deal. I thank god I never found myself in a situation where I've had to deal with any sort of sexual harassment.

But when I think of women who I know who have, and a lot of them are strong, powerful women. Notion that someone would say, oh, well, she's got it together and she's strong or she would never be susceptible to that is I think B.S.! Am I wrong?

SKLAR: You're not wrong.

(CROSSTALK)

BALDWIN: Hello! No, I'm not wrong. I don't think I'm wrong.

(CROSSTALK)

LOUDON: No. I think when you consider that, again, 50 percent of women say they -- I myself have been subjected to it -- but I don't think that everyone can just walk away necessarily from a job. Some women don't even know exactly if they've been sexually harassed. Is a pat on the back sexual harassment? Is a hug sexual harassment? Leaving your office and having a conversation unwanted?

(CROSSTALK)

LOUDON: That's why we need to talk about the definition. We need to talk about what H.R. is supposed to do. We need to talk about aggressive pursuit.

(CROSSTALK)

SKLAR: That's actually not what we're talking about right now though. It's great that we all agree that sexual harassment is bad. Your talking about is the crazy way that Donald Trump responded to the notion of what women should do if it happens to them.

BALDWIN: Let me add to that because we have heard --

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BALDWIN: -- as part of this whole -- the context was Roger Ailes and was happening, or not, over at FOX. Two anchors have weighed in, Megyn Kelly, for one, who has been pretty much -- who hasn't said anything since the allegations. She responded to all this on Twitter with a simple word, "Sigh," and re-tweeting someone else with regard to what Eric said today. And Gretchen Carlson, no longer at FOX, who is started this whole thing, who is accusing Ailes of sexual harassment, she tweeted, "Sad in 2016 we're still victim blaming women. Trust me, I'm strong. And then #standwithGretchen."

I wanted to throw that in there. Forgive me for --

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[14:35:00] SKLAR: It's good that you did because it allows us to take a step back and look at the fact that this was also about Donald Trump's reaction about Roger Ailes where he said that, oh, well, it's kind of weird that women that Roger Ailes has helped are now turning around and attacking him. I feel really bad for Roger Ailes. He's a great guy. He said that on "Meet the Press." This was Donald Trump's first reaction and his first reaction when asked about if Ivanka was what she should do, she should just get another job. His first reactions are the wrong reactions. They are emblematic of why he is completely unfit to be president. He is in a bubble. He has no idea what it is like to not have power, money, independence. And frankly, most Americans don't have the privilege of being able to just leave their job if they're treated badly.

I think the goal is for Americans to be treated well on the job, and that includes women. Why is that so hard for him to understand?

BALDWIN: Gina, I want you to respond. And we've got to go.

LOUDON: Thank you. Thank you.

I would submit that some people would see Hillary and the way she bullied the women that her husband harassed and abused as a --

(CROSSTALK)

SKLAR: No, no, no.

LOUDON: I think there's something tangible there. Mr. Ailes may have been accused, but he has not been convicted of anything. I think that Mr. Trump pointing to the fact that he's been helpful, mentored a lot of women, was apropos in that moment.

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LOUDON: I think we need to just as aggressively pursue false accusations and truth as we pursue any charges. I think it all needs to go together to come out so that we have a better workplace environment for everybody considered.

BALDWIN: OK. Gina Loudon, Rachel Sklar, thank you both. I appreciate it. Good conversation to have. Thank you so much.

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BALDWIN: Coming up next, quite a change for the police department in Dallas, Texas. Weeks after five of its officers were ambushed and killed, the police chief issued a challenge to the community. We're hiring, he said. Hear what's happening now inside that police department, coming up.

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[14:41:26] BALDWIN: It has been nearly a month now since the deadly police shootings in Dallas. But that tragic event is now spurring a huge surge in interest from people who want to join the force, to join the Dallas Police Department. You know the story here. Five officers were killed when a sniper opened fire during a protest against police brutality. And in the days following that event, the Dallas police chief issued a passionate plea to those protesters, essentially telling them, if you want change, join our force.

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DAVID BROWN, CHIEF, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT: Become a part of that solution. Serve your community. Don't be a part of the problem. We're hiring. We're hiring. Get out of that protest line and put an application in.

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BALDWIN: Those words appear to have resonated with the public. Joining me now, Dallas Deputy Chief Jeff Cotner, who oversees police

training at the department.

Chief Cotner, first and foremost, my condolences to the fallen five officers, and thank you for taking the time today.

JEFF COTNER, DEPUTY CHIEF, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT: Thank you, Brooke. And I'm glad to be here.

BALDWIN: Let's get right to it. I know you know precisely how many people since then have applied to join you all. That number is?

COTNER: 467.

BALDWIN: How about that. 467. And specifically hearing from the police chief and how he was saying, talking to those black lives matter protesters saying get off the protest lines, we want you, have you all seen -- are you getting diverse applicants?

COTNER: We are. Out of the 467, we're not sure exactly how that breaks out in the metrics and demographics but we are getting tremendous input of potential applicants. A lot of individuals are calling with interest. They do represent a spectrum of our community.

BALDWIN: When you say "interest," I'm curious, do you even know, is it because they feel passionate about wearing the badge? Is it they feel passionate about protecting those in neighborhoods where we have seen the violence that we've been covering? Why is it, do you think?

COTNER: Well, the unfortunate circumstances put Dallas on the national stage. They were able the see the support of our community, the leadership of our city and of our department. If they were seeking a career in policing, they saw the bravery, the courage, the integrity and professionalism of the Dallas Police Department and that's attractive. On the other side, if you are looking for a way to help your fellow citizens in this country, law enforcement is one of those occupations which you can actually accomplish something.

BALDWIN: So with these 476, I think that was the number you gave me, how many can really get through the process? I imagine it is grueling. How many do you think will actually make it?

COTNER: Our percentages for the last couple of years is about 15 percent. We're optimistic that this call to service that chief Brown issued, you don't know what your net will be. Maybe it is a little bit more. If the right people come to this occupation, we'll put them in charge.

BALDWIN: Who are the right people? Here is your opportunity. We're talking to some folks who watch this show each and every day. Whether we're talking Dallas or beyond, who are you looking for?

COTNER: Brooke, we're looking for somebody that is willing to serve, puts themselves before others, want to fundamental just help people and make a difference, a positive difference. That's what policing is. That's what community engagement is and that's what making a difference is. If you aspire to do that and you are looking for an occupation to do that, then policing is one of them. We certainly welcome you here on the Dallas Police Department.

[14:45:21] BALDWIN: Final question, Chief Cotner, I know the media presence, cameras, have packed up and left Dallas, but I have to imagine your heart is still hurting. How is the police department doing?

COTNER: We're healing. We're still on the path towards healing. We've got a tremendous amount of support from our Dallas community. U, without that, we would be crippled. Our leadership was able to demonstrate who they are every day. That was supportive. And it continues to this day. This outpouring of support has sustained us as we continue to heal.

BALDWIN: Thank you, thank you, thank you for all that you do.

COTNER: Thank you.

BALDWIN: Chief Jeff Cotner, Dallas Police Department. Thank you.

COTNER: Thank you.

BALDWIN: Coming up next, he had a number of run-ins with law enforcement and had been sued over a crash landing. Did you know? New details today emerging about that hot air balloon crash over the weekend that killed 16 people, and the man who was at the controls. We're live at the scene of the latest on the investigation.

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[14:50:38] BALDWIN: Just in to us here, just weeks after a "Star Trek" actor died in a tragic accident involving his Jeep, his family just filed a lawsuit against Fiat-Chrysler. Their attorney says the accident was a result of a defect which led the Cherokee to roll down the driveway crushing him to death.

And now to the hot air balloon crash. Experts on the scene there say that this deadly hot air balloon crash investigation is just beginning. We know all 16 people on board were killed when this balloon piloted by this man, skip Nichols, collided with some power lines there in a rural area south of Austin, Texas. Why it was anywhere near, let alone, hit those power lines, that's unclear. However, some troubling new details are emerging now about this pilot's past.

BALDWIN: Ed Lavandera joins us from Maxwell, Texas, there near that crash site.

Ed, what have you learned, first and foremost, about this pilot?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, this is the scene where all of this unfolded Saturday morning. As you mentioned, the background of this pilot is something that investigators will be taking a much closer look at. From 1997 to 2007, Skip Nichols was involved in four dui charges, as well as having his driver's license suspended in 2010.

All of this background very important to look at, but also they will be taking a much closer look at the question of whether or not he was under the influence when this accident happened. That is something that will have to be determined through toxicology reports and autopsies. Of course, given the conditions of the bodies, not exactly clear what they would be able to garner from that.

We spoke to a friend with Nichols, who says he was a very safe pilot, safety was of utmost concern to him. But at the scene, a memorial growing. This is pictures of two of the victims that was left behind, including a little baseball from a family member that said, "We love you, Uncle Brian and Aunt Tressy," the couple from San Antonio.

Just beyond the fence line here, you can see the charred part there on the ground where the gondola and basket here fell just underneath the power lines where investigators -- NTSB investigators believe this hot air balloon collided with those lines. Very top lines are about 140 feet tall. L" is up there where investigators believe that the gondola, the basket carrying these 16 people, collided with that. They say that along that stretch of line, about a 30-foot stretch, there are signs that the basket hit there, then ran along it for some time. Balloon separated, severed from the basket and landed three- quarters of a mile away. Eight NTSB investigators until late yesterday afternoon had been working this scene. But it's been cleared out. They've collected some evidence, like cell phones and iPads, all taken to Washington, D.C., for analysis -- Brooke?

BALDWIN: Awful, awful, awful.

Ed Lavandera at the scene. Ed, thank you so much, in Texas.

Today, President Obama issued his most direct criticism, rebuke, of Donald Trump yet from within the White House, there speaking no a world leader from the east room. Hear why he says Trump is woefully unfit to be president, and hear his challenge to Republican leaders, next.

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[14:58:14] BALDWIN: Could it be New Yorkers becoming more social? Pokemon Go -- yes, we're doing this -- is bringing crowds together from all over the city to bond over some friendly competition.

"CNN Money's" Laurie Segall tells the story.

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LAURIE SEGALL, CNN MONEY CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is New York. Lots of people, and lots of screen time. And even though we are surrounded by thousands of people a day, us, New Yorkers, we don't exactly talk to each other. But something is happening lately. I would go as far as saying something's changing.

(on camera): This is not exactly what happens in front of the Plaza Hotel in New York City. This is Pokemon Go. I got to get in. I got to go to the belly of the beast. We're going

to go play Pokemon.

Come on.

You guys ready for fun?

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SEGALL: You guys --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With Facebook and all that. This is the app you can't play at your house.

SEGALL: You're out here with your whole family playing a video game.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love this. We need this right now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I deactivated my Facebook. Sometimes you want a break from the monotony. You don't want the madness. This is simple. It's not black, it's not white.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And everybody says he looks like Trump.

(LAUGHTER)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The hairdo.

(CROSSTALK) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, yeah.

SEGALL: With everything happening in the world right now, being out here, it is so cool to be out here and see everybody talking to each other. Doesn't matter if you're black or you're white, or gay or straight. It is awesome. It is really, really special.

(SHOUTING)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, my god!

SEGALL: I think I have major cred here. I've earned my cred.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah.

SEGALL: Let's see where you are.

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