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Knife Rampage in London Leaves One Dead, Five Wounded; Donald Trump Trying to Ease Tensions with Military Vets; London Mayor Calls For Calm After Attack; London Increases Armed Police Force; Clint Eastwood Seems To Back Trump; McCain On Trump: "I Have Said Everything I Want To Say"; Death Toll Rising In Philippines' War On Drugs; Pokemon Go Launches In South America For Olympics. Aired 3-4p ET
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HALA GORANI, CNN ANCHOR: Tonight, authorities on the ready and a city on edge. Police mobilized at lightning speed to stop a deadly rampage right
here in London. We'll bring you that.
And on the eve of the opening ceremony, an Olympic win for Russia. 271 of its athletes will be allowed to compete in the games despite the doping
Then we'll tell you about Donald Trump's big name celebrity endorsement, as he and Hillary Clinton takes to the campaign trail again in this hour.
We'll bring you the latest. Hello, everyone, I'm Hala Gorani. We're live at CNN London, and this is "The World Right Now."
Well, we begin this hour right here in London, a city very much on edge. There was a knife rampage that left one American dead, five other people
wounded. Now, there was no indication that radicalization played a part. The man was arrested over the attack. And he may have had mental issues.
But the broader topic here is that the attack comes just hours after police increased their presence in the capital with the specter of terror hanging
over Europe. You may have seen some of these image of police officers heavily armed in full body armor, that's what the city is doing now to help
reassure tourists and residents here. As Phil Black reports though, police made it to the scene quickly. Take a look.
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PHIL BLACK, CNN REPORTER: The scene of a violent frenzied attack. Police say one man ran along this path, stabbing and cutting people randomly. An
American woman in her 60s died here. The witness told us she collapsed after she was stabbed in the back. Five other people were injured. The
earliest police statements acknowledged the possibility this was a terrorist attack. But another theory began building momentum.
MICHAEL ROWLEY, METROPOLITAN POLICE ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER: Early indications suggest that mental health is a significant factor in this
case. And that is one major line of inquiry. Of course at this stage we should keep an open mind regarding motive and consequently, terrorism as a
motivation remains but one line of inquiry for us to explore.
BLACK: This part of London around Russell Square has known terror before. July 7th, 2005, suicide bombers struck a nearby bus and underground train
as well as other targets across the city. The police response to this latest violence shocked locals.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think that the reason the attacks in the rest of Europe have everyone on high alert and I think that there is a lot more
anxiety running through London right now.
BLACK: Police arrived six minutes after the first emergency calls. They used a taser to bring down the man with a knife. Working through the
night, homicide and anti-terror police confirmed he's a Norwegian national of Somali descent, a troubled man with mental health issues but not an
ROWLEY: So far we have found no evidence of radicalization that would suggest the man in our custody is in any way motivated by terrorism.
BLACK: The police say they had to acknowledge the possibility this was terrorism because of the nature of the attack. The security plan in
Europe, of course of course to be an unrelated tragic event that is only brought more fear to a city that was already on edge. The authorities here
hope at least at the quick effective, response by police will go some way towards easing those ongoing public concerns.
Phil Black, CNN, London.
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GORANI: Well, let's get more from Nima Elbagir, she's been following this story as well and she's live in the studio here. So, initially the wording
from the police was a little bit different regarding the possibility that this may be a terror attack. But now they've dropped that word.
NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, especially given the location. Russell Square, immediately you have that specter of
the 7/7 bombings back in 2005. We've seen the propensity for terrorists to try and echo their successes. So obviously that was the backdrop against
which all this played out. And given that it was just hours after they had announced this major new initiative in policing, 600 more armed police who
were immediately -- pretty immediately put to the test ...
ELBAGIR: Getting there in about five minutes. So all of that was at play. The investigation is still ongoing. So, you can tell that they don't want
to definitively rule anything out and they are still searching through homes, they're speaking to family members, but for now it looks like it is
a mentally disturbed individual.
GORANI: And --but the broader story here, and you mentioned that it's this increase in security around the capital, probably also to reassure
residents and tourists, because they are millions of tourists that visit London in the summertime.
And this is in response to, to what exactly, to what has happened in France and Belgium and other places?
ELBAGIR: The backdrop is the sense of growing instability across Europe. And London has been the last to fall in line with a lot of the security
procedures that we've seen. And you rightly mentioned the visitors, this is August. One of the victims we now understand and can report on air was
the wife of a Florida State University Professor. This is the woman who already we're seeing floral tribute at the scene. This is the heart of
London's tourist district, so of course police were hyperaware. But it says something that London has finally have to fall in line with the rest
of Europe in terms of the reality of armed police on our streets.
GORANI: And is it just London or other cities in the U.K.?
ELBAGIR: London for now, but London is also the nerve center for the counter terror process, but they are working, we understand with the
counter terror organizations across the U.K.
GORANI: And you're not used to seeing police like this in London, by the way. They don't even have firearms. I mean, these guys look like they're
going full SWAT team commando. I mean this is just designed, I think, also to reassure people that they are there, they are guarding sites like
museums and other places.
ELBAGIR: It was pretty extraordinary actually at the show fullest vibration calculate (ph) to see British police officers in Balaclavas, a
sight that we're used to in France and Belgium but was incredibly chilling because we didn't even see this post-7/7, and it really says a lot about
what the London police commissioner has called the new normal of life.
GORANI: Right, Nima Elbagir, thank you very much, appreciated it.
Well London's new Mayor Sadiq Khan has been reacting to that knife attack. He spoke to CNN just in the last few hours, and the urge Londoners to be
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SADIQ KHAN, LONDON MAYOR: London is the one of the safest capital cities in the world. I'm afraid it's a reality in 2016, especially when you look
at what happened in Nice, in Paris, in Brussels, in Munich, and, you know, parts of America. But we also got to be vigilant and never complacent.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Well, we'll have more from Sadiq Khan later in the program. As London -- as we were discussing with Nima, increases its number of armed
officers on the street. I'll speak also to a former head of the U.K.'s police and counter-terrorism unit in around 20 minutes.
All right, you may have heard it here just a few minutes ago, as we heard from the Russian Olympic delegation. But athletes in Rio, who are Russian,
are breathing a sigh of relief. We've just learned from the country's Olympic Committee that 271 Russian athletes have been cleared to compete in
the games. Now this is good news for Russia. There was the distinct possibility that all Russian athletes would be banned. This news though is
coming late in the game just a day before the opening ceremony. Now Russia has been embroiled in a widespread doping scandal. And earlier the
president of the IOC said that clean athletes could be successful in the competition without falling into the doping trap. This is what he said.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
THOMAS BACH, PRESIDENT OF INTERNATIONAL OLYMPUC COMMITTEE: The message is clear. We want to keep the cheaters away from the Olympic Games. The
message is clear there is no place to hide for cheats. And dopers can never feel safe anywhere because we're storing the samples, and we will
follow up on each evolution there in scientific research and testing methods.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Now, Nick Paton Walsh joins me live from Russia Olympic Headquarters on Copacabana Beach in Rio. So there was telling our viewers,
so there was this possibility that all athletes would be banned, the world anti-doping agency said there was systemic doping among Russian athletes.
And instead, a vast majority of them will be allowed to compete.
NICK PATON WALSH, CNN REPORTER: Absolutely. And it is a vast majority of those whose cases were under review. Now we know from a while back that a
hundred track and field and other events simply weren't going to have a chance. But it was the rest who have been put through a review process in
which the IOC said, that the individual federations for each sport ruling whether these athletes are clean enough to compete.
Now staggeringly today Hala, we were waiting for the IOC, the International Olympic Committee to come forward and rubber stamp a list, a number of
people in the Russian team who would now be allowed to compete. They haven't done that yet, instead the Russian team panel committee has stolen
the march on them and come out with their own number, which they says what they're hearing from the individual federations are the number that will be
allowed to compete.
Now that is 271, as you were saying, out of a total of 287. My math is terrible, about 93 or 94 percent or so, the vast majority. There are still
16 cases outstanding, I understand that about eight of those are probably still looking for the arbitration court to rule upon them. But, if you
step back here, we had many questioning the IOC's decision to put all of these in the hands of the individual sporting federations.
This has been unbelievably much in Russia's benefit. They are I think curtailing here some element of disaster. The story is not over. I did
ask their main spokesman here what happens now if the doping laboratories come up with results during the games they don't like?
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Do you have confidence in the Brazilian doping situation here? Their laboratories' ability to test you and will you abide by their decisions?
KONSTANTIN VYBORNOV, SPOKESPERSON RUSSIAN OLYMPIC TEAM: We have total confidence in our athletes. That's the essential thing.
WALSH: That's a no -- you won't contest the laboratory here?
VYBORNOV: I'm absolutely sure of that and we agreed with their anti-doping tests that will be taken and -- are being taken right now by this Brazilian
laboratory. Yes, we accept this. Just because we are absolutely sure that we have nothing to cover and we're absolutely sure in the fairness of our
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALSH: So the controversy simply doesn't end here. It will continue. And I think -- well, the questions too, about the IOC's decision to allow this
process to be handled by the independent federations. We still haven't heard from them definitively and this process, I have to say, as a normal
supporting (ph) journalist observing it from the outside, it's far from transparent, of choosing baffling at times. And now coming up with a
result that's hitting the headlines, now that's been announced by the Russians, granted they haven't got official confirmation yet but the IOC
stepping back to some degree. We expected this announcement, the number from them, we haven't even got it yet. Hala.
GORANI: It's been quite confusing actually, trying to nail down the actual number. And as you mentioned this hasn't been confirmed by the IOC. Do we
know though if Russian Athletes will have to submit additional tests or if they'll be automatically tested not in a random way for instance in the
aftermath of the doping scandal?
WALSH: As far as I understand, those who compete go through the same testing that everybody else necessarily. Well I believe there special
exception or extra rigor that they have to go through. But they have had to prove a clean bill of health, and not have the presumption of innocence.
Now, people will be looking at the sporting federation who've given these predominantly clear slates for all this athletes to look at the level of
scrutiny they apply, because there were calls for the entire team to be banned here in its entirety.
You have to bear in mind that the allegations were of a state-sponsored backed by security services, industrial scale doping machine. The
accusations were left nobody untouched. Now, the Russians say much of that information came from a whistle blower who they denounce as not speaking
the truth. But he was working inside their own doping laboratory system. So a lot of history here but fundamentally we've seen the IOC differ
judgment to smaller federations who have given the Russians a very good result here.
I'm sorry, I can't see how they can't be very pleased with what's come out of these announcements today, partly given by the fact that they've
actually made them themselves rather waiting for the IOC. Hala?
GORANI: Right. It's good news all around. And you mentioned 271, there are a few other cases pending. So the total final number could actually be
even higher. Nick Paton Walsh, thanks very much, in Rio.
To U.S. politics now, and really the story everybody has been talking about, it once again involves Donald Trump. We'll see that after the
break. New polls show Hillary Clinton with a commanding lead over Donald Trump in several key battleground states. We're on the campaign trail as
both candidates are in action. We'll be right back.
GORANI: Well, after a string of controversies, Donald Trump is trying to ease tensions with military veterans and their families. He met with the
families of American soldiers killed in Afghanistan and Iraq on Wednesday. Right now, he's still on the campaign trail, holding a rally in Portland,
Maine. He last visited the state in June.
New polls, by the way, could spell good news for the Clinton camp. They show Hillary Clinton with a commanding lead over Trump in three key states
New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. She's due to hold a rally shortly in Las Vegas, Nevada, that's where it's happening. And she's been
touring an electrical company there.
Joe Johns is traveling with the Clinton campaign and joins me now live from Las Vegas. So those three swing states where we have new polling out,
they're showing Hillary Clinton with a substantial lead in Pennsylvania and Michigan, among other states. This has to be welcome news for her
JOE JOHNS, CNN REPORTER: And I think it is also New Hampshire. And you also have to say, I think, that those are solid polls. So, it's important
information for Hillary Clinton. And I think, two things, we saw her in Commerce City, Colorado last night. It was a very energized crowd. You
have to know that some of the people who attend these rallies also read the newspapers, watch television. So they know that she got a convention
They know that she appears to be running strong right now. And so the campaign appears to be feeling fairly energized. Even the candidate
herself seemed very upbeat last night in Colorado. And of course they're hoping that's going to continue, they're trying to build on that. Hala, I
will say, by reaching out to Republicans, particularly prominent Republicans, the big prize so far, Meg Whitman, the former gubernatorial
candidate, I should say and also the CEO of Hewlett-Packard who said she's going to support Hillary Clinton. So, they're reaching across the aisle
and hoping those numbers will sustain themselves. Hala.
GORANI: And what -- you're with the campaign, you speak to campaign insiders and staffers all the time. What has been their reaction to this
string of Donald Trump controversies, including what's happened with the Khan family, his comments about having a baby escorted out of his rally,
all of these things, what are they saying about it?
JOHNS: Well, they want to keep it going, but they don't want to pay so much attention to it, because the suggestion from the campaign essentially
is that Donald Trump and his campaign right now are sort of treading water and the last thing they want to do is throw him a rope. So, Hillary
Clinton is not overplaying it at these events, at least she hasn't so far. She made an allusion last night very briefly last night to Gold Star
Families. She did not refer to the Khan family in particular. They rather just let Donald Trump, his campaign, and the Republicans go ahead and
struggle through this period while she enjoys a bounce in the polls.
GORANI: And I've noticed that she'd toured a lot of factories and businesses. Is this because in polls she usually doesn't score very well
with regards to her ability to handle the economy versus Donald Trump?
JOHNS: Right. Yeah, that's interesting. And we've also seen a little bit of a change in the latest CNN/ORC poll, suggesting that she's ahead now on
issues relating to the economy among voters, but very narrowly, something like 2 percentage points, which isn't all that significant. Nonetheless,
other polls have suggested that a lot of voters think Donald Trump would be better to handle the economy.
So, that's very much part of the reason why she's been putting an emphasis on issues related to business, the economy. And when she does that, it's
very important to say, she's hitting Donald Trump very hard on outsourcing. Last night she talked all about his tie company and how -- right here there
in Colorado, I have some source (ph) right there in Colorado. There is a company that makes ties in the United States. Donald Trump of course makes
his ties in China. So, pointing to outsourcing, pointing to Donald Trump's business practices, all wrapped in the veil of the economy.
GORANI: All right. I know sometimes you have trouble remembering what city you wake up in, Joe, you travel so much. Thanks very much for joining us
from us Las Vegas.
JOHNS: You bet.
GORANI: Thank you.
All right, now back to Syria. The future of Aleppo is being decided right now. An all-out war for control of Syria's largest city is burning what's
left of large parts of it right to the ground. Syria's air force is raining bombs down onto rebels, but they desperately and violently trying
to cling on. Civilians however caught right in the middle.
Here's Arwa Damon.
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ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: What you see, that's all that's left in what was one of Aleppo's busiest markets. Children
somehow still managing to smile, peddle bags of salt. But gone are the brightly colored stacks of fruits and vegetables. Most basic food staples,
hard to find.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): For 11 days we haven't had bread in the house. We come to the market and there is nothing to buy.
DAMON: The cost of tomatoes, if found, has quadrupled. Gasoline is a small fortune. Opposition held Aleppo is being suffocated as the world
watches. The Syrian regime says it has opened humanitarian corridors to allow people to flee, state T.V. airing these images. But only a minute
fraction of the 200,000 to 300,000 people living under siege are reported to have left. And no aid has come in.
ABU NIZAR FIRAS, ALEPPO RESIDENCE (through translator): These are imaginary corridors, false corridors, only to show the international
community that they are working on humanitarian issues with the Russian side. Everyone who went there found out that they are very dangerous for
DAMON: The vast majority would rather risk the bombs than take a chance on trusting the government. And for many fleeing their lands would be the
Attempts by rebel fighters to break the siege have resulted in some of the fiercest clashes to date. Even children are joining in, helping to burn
tires to obscure the view of aircraft circling overhead.
But this is a war with no boundaries, no mercy, no way to hide. Dark echoes of past atrocities the world swore never to allow again.
Aleppo is a test for humanity. The head of the U.N.-backed humanitarian task force for Syria told CNN, so far it's a test humanity is failing.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Well, Arwa joins us now from Istanbul in Syria's neighboring Turkey. So this is very important for regime forces and the rebels. They
are trying to encircle those rebel-held territories in order to regain control of Aleppo. Who has the upper hand right now?
DAMON: Well, it would still seem as if the regime does. There are various different offensive and attempts by the rebel forces to break through
different areas of the front-line but the regime is continuing to hold. But, this is their game at this stage. They not only have Aleppo,
opposition-held Aleppo under siege, let's also remember what is the most important point, they still control the skies Hala, they still have this
ability to continuously drop barrel bombs as residents have been reporting to us, and other kinds of ammunition on rebel-held Aleppo.
And the other big issue in all of this is that there has been what some humanitarian and watchdog organizations are describing as the deliberate
and systematic targeting of medical institutions of hospitals, which is not only devastating to those who end up being caught underneath these strikes
and killed but the impact of losing so many members of the medical community, well that just makes it even harder for those who are left
behind to save the civilians when they themselves are getting wounded and being targeted as well.
GORANI: All right, and -- but, now we know who's helping the regime, we know Russia is helping them, we know Iran is helping them as well. But on
the rebel side, Turkey is distracted, it had that coup attempt. I mean, are they -- who is trying to finance and support them in their effort to
break this siege?
DAMON: Well, broadly speaking, it depends on which particular rebel group one is speaking about. But, look, by in large when it comes to the bigger
chess game, a very dirty chess game, that is unfolding here, the U.S. and various different western allies and gulf and Arab nations have been trying
to back some of these rebel forces. The U.S. has been continuously reporting backing what it defines as these moderate rebel forces.
But if you compare what assistance the rebels are getting to what it is that the Syrian regime is getting, there really is no true solid
comparison. Up to date the regime and its allies Russia and Iran have had a very precise narrative and they have been unwavering from that, and that
is that they are fighting terrorists.
Whereas when we look at the allies that the rebels have, even they themselves say that these camp really necessarily be considered true
allegiances or support for that matter, because no one really knows what the narrative of the west is when it comes to Syria, what kind of outcome
in particular is looking for, because what they say is not necessarily what they do.
And then of course we have the U.N. chiming in, continuously condemning the ongoing violence, continuously condemning the systematic targeting of the
hospitals, going so far as to call it a war crime. And yet, none of these key players is either able or willing to do anything to stop the violence
and this, as you know as well, has been going on for 5 years now, more than 5 years, Hala.
GORANI: Right, lots of big words there used in very seldom any action. Thanks very much, Arwa Damon in Istanbul for us.
This is "The World Right Now." Coming up, security has been beefed up right here in London with hundreds of extra armed officers and they are
dressed like this. This is not something you see in London every day. It might become the new normal. I'll speak to a security and counter-
terrorism expert in a few minutes.
Then, remember when Clint Eastwood spent 10 minutes speaking to a chair at the Republican National Convention? Well, the actor is wading into
American politics again. Does Clint Eastwood support Donald Trump? I'll tell you after this.
GORANI: Welcome back everybody. There is a Trump rally going on right now. And protesters have interrupted proceedings. They're being heckled
by Trump supporters. Let's listen to what Donald Trump has to say about what's happening at his own rally.
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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: ... believe me, right? This is a -- but if we keep going the way it is our whole country is becoming
different. They're shooting our police at record levels. You saw where I said in my speech, 50 percent higher, and then they went out and they
Isn't that amazing? Isn't that amazing? Sort of rude. When you think of it, what are we looking for? We want strong military. We want jobs, good
education, health care, right? We're all like looking for the first -- we're looking for the same thing, sort of. You want to have a good life.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: All right, this is a Donald Trump rally in Portland, Maine, and Donald Trump got heckled, protesters
interrupted the proceedings, holding up a pocket constitution, similar to that small constitution that Khizr Khan, the father of the slain Muslim
soldier held up when he addressed the Democratic National Convention and very much criticized Donald Trump.
There he is in Portland, Maine, reacting to those hecklers. At one point, you saw them there among Trump supporters getting booed, holding up those
pocket constitutions. We are going to break away from this story for now and take you back right here to London.
A look at other stories we're following. Police say there are no signs that terrorism was a motive in Wednesday's deadly knife attack in London.
An American woman was killed and five people were wounded.
In the last few minutes, we've found out more about the victim. She was the wife of Richard Wagner, an eminent scholar at Florida State University,
according to the statement from the university, sad news there for the Wagner family.
Now, for Russian athletes in Rio, a sigh of relief. The country's Olympic Committee says 271 Russian athletes have been cleared to compete in the
games. The news comes a day before the opening ceremony. Russia has, of course, been mired in a doping scandal.
London is rattled after a knife rampage killed one person, injured five more. Police now say there's no indication that terrorism played a part.
They were taking no chances at the time. They arrived at the scene within minutes.
Now, the London mayor, Sadiq Khan, says Londoners need to be vigilant, not complacent, especially all that's happened in Nice, Paris, Brussels and
elsewhere. He spoke to CNN's Michael Holmes. Listen.
MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: This is a brutal, heinous attack, but by all accounts a mentally ill man with a knife and yet you're back from holiday.
It was breaking news in the media, all because of the mere suggestion that terror was being looked at in the bigger picture. It just speaks to the
mood in the city, the country, the continent really at the moment.
SADIQ KHAN, LONDON MAYOR: One of the reasons why I was keen to come back to London is to reassure your viewers, not just in America but around the
world, that London is one of the safest capital cities in the world.
I'm afraid it's the reality in 2016, especially when you look at what's happened in Nice, Paris, Brussels, Munich, you know, parts of America, we
always have to be vigilant and never complacent.
You know, within six minutes of a report being received by a police service, armed response to the scene in a very popular part of London
called Russell Square where tourists often go.
I'm afraid the bad news is one of those people injured, a 60-year-old American woman, has died, I'm afraid. Five others were injured including
an American, Australian and others from around the world. That's the nature of being in a Cosmopolitan City.
There is good news, that all the investigations done by the police today, that includes interviewing the man, he was tasered, not shot dead. A
search has taken place at his home, is that this man was not radicalized nor an extremist nor inspired by Daesh or ISIL, but is a man who appears to
have mental health issues.
But you know, it's right and proper that we are vigilant and that we ensure we do our bit to keep our cities and populations safe, but also to reassure
people when this is the case that these are incidents caused by people with mental health issues.
GORANI: Sadiq Khan, the mayor of London, speaking to CNN just a few hours ago. I'm joined by Russell Penny. He is a former head of U.K.'s Police
International Counterterrorism Unit, and joins me now in the studio. Thanks very much for being with us.
RUSSELL PENNY, DIRECTOR, DENARIUS CONSULTANCY: Good evening.
GORANI: What did you make of the response time there when that knife rampage started?
PENNY: I think it's absolutely phenomenal, what a fantastic job those officers did in such a short period of time, a dreadful scene that they
faced, with deranged man, a number of people injured and one dead.
GORANI: So of course, naturally, people suspected terrorism, the victim was an American woman, but it does appear as though this was a mental
health issue. That being said, the city is tense. We saw this increase in security forces with these, you know, men in full body armor and semi-
[15:35:07]PENNY: Yes, the commissioner of police has clearly indicated that the Metropolitan Police is there to respond effectively and robustly.
The event yesterday, while not terrorism, was still a major threat and they were able to neutralize that threat very effectively by an armed response
GORANI: How concerned should Londoners, visitors, be? We saw what happened in Paris, Nice, and Brussels. There's that feeling that it's only
a matter of time before it hits the big European capitals.
PENNY: Well, the commissioner of police has said that quite clearly. The Metropolitan Police has clearly indicated that they have an effective and
robust response to this type of incident. It's as safe as anywhere else in the world, probably a lot safer than most places.
GORANI: Yes, so it's also a question of intelligence, though, of making sure that people who might be plotting and planning are caught before they
PENNY: Absolutely. So this is around coordinating the response between the police service and security services. Also let's not forget, it's
members of the public, it's communities that defeat terrorism. It's a multi-pronged attack that the police need to continue to be effective with,
by managing communities and also feeding that into the intelligence chain.
GORANI: Because the extra armed police, the security officers in with that very heavily armed group of men we saw pictured yesterday, in the end is it
more to reassure people rather than to actually -- or to be a deterrent, even?
PENNY: It's both a deterrent and also to reassure the public that there is that capability to respond really effectively.
GORANI: Now I was going to say the issue now is, do you really want to live, I mean, longer term, in a city where there's almost a military
PENNY: That's not quite in that situation. What's clear is that there will be police officers in those types of uniforms that we haven't even
much of. The purpose of the commissioner making that very clear to the public is that they're there to reassure them, to be able to respond
effectively. London is still probably one of the safest cities in the world.
GORANI: Yes, do you have concerns, though? You must, when you see Nice, for instance, or other --
PENNY: Clearly, we have concerns that the events happening in Europe, and why shouldn't something happen in London? And historically a lot of events
have taken place in London.
But let's look at what's happened over the last ten years or more, where the security service and police have been affected by their engagement with
communities and with intelligence matters generally to be able to be really effective as preventing these events happening.
So I think we should have a lot of faith in what they do. The commissioner said it's only a matter of time when he had these lone wolf attacks. It's
very difficult to prevent them happening individually.
GORANI: Almost impossible to keep an eye on every single individual.
GORANI: Thanks very much, Russell Penny. We really appreciate your time here on CNN.
All right. We want to take you back to American politics now, where the stars have quite literally been lining up for Hillary Clinton. One
Hollywood A-lister after another has come out for the Democratic nominee.
For her Republican rival, Donald Trump, not so much. But that could be changing, at least for one Hollywood A-lister. In an interview with
"Esquire" magazine, the actor and director, Clint Eastwood seemed to offer his support to Trump.
Let's bring in CNN's Brian Stelter who is with us from New York. He was asked would you support Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton and he said what?
BRIAN STELTER, CNN MONEY SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: He says he has to lean toward Trump. He says it's because overly sensitive Americans are
part of the problem nowadays. You remember back in 2012, he gave that kind of odd speech at the Republican National Convention, right?
Clint Eastwood up there on the stage in primetime and all he had with him was an empty chair. He was using this to criticize President Obama. So
we've known about Eastwood's Republican leanings in the past.
This new interview with "Esquire" is interesting, rather vulgar actually too. Let me put part of it on screen, what he's saying about why he is
leaning toward Trump.
He says "Trump has done a lot of dumb things, so have all of them, both sides, but everybody, the press and everybody is going, oh, well that's
racist and they're making a big hoodoo out of it, just f-ing get over it," he says.
I'm not familiar with the word "hoodoo" over it, but I think the takeaway for me here is he feels Americans are too sensitive these days, too gentle,
not able to handle political incorrectness. So he's saying he's siding with Trump.
GORANI: He also said, by the way, he said the Khans were used as pawns and then also said it wasn't called racism when I was growing up.
STELTER: And that's the comment that's getting the most criticism today, the idea that back decades ago when he was growing up, things now called
racist were not called racist.
[15:40:03]I think a lot of us know why that is. There have been both sort of a reckoning in America about race over the past 50 years since the Civil
Rights Movement in the 1960s, and there is much more awareness now of what can be offensive and what can be prejudiced.
There's a lot more acknowledgement nowadays of that. However, we've known that Donald Trump has gained fuel and attention by decrying political
correctness when he calls political correctness and people like Eastwood seemed drawn to that message.
GORANI: Right. But he's not endorsing Donald Trump or anything, it's not like these other stars like Katy Perry or Meryl Streep or anything like
that. He was asked a question and this was his response. Does he have any plans I wonder to make appearances for Donald Trump?
STELTER: You know, knowing Donald Trump, I think he would love to have someone like Clint Eastwood on stage. It is obvious the Republicans don't
have nearly the star power that the Democrats have. That's always true every four years but especially obvious this year.
When you look at the Democratic National Convention last week, the number of a-list stars like Meryl Streep and Katy Perry, who you mentioned and
were all onstage.
The Republicans had reality TV stars like the folks from "Duck Dynasty," Scott Baio, but you don't have a-list stars backing Trump. Trump knows
star power when he sees it, maybe he'll reach out to Clint Eastwood now and see if he can bring him over.
GORANI: We'll see if he does. Brian Stelter, thanks very much in New York.
Well, earlier this week, Donald Trump said, he is not supporting the re- election bid of the U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan or long time senator, John McCain of Arizona.
This was unprecedented. He is the nominee for the Republican Party and he is not supporting two of the biggest Republican names.
Paul Ryan shrugged it off, but didn't rule out the possibility of withdrawing his own endorsement of Trump in the future if necessary.
McCain speaking in Arizona Wednesday said flatly he doesn't want to talk about it anymore, he just don't doesn't. CNN's Gary Tuchman has that.
GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Right away, John McCain made it clear he preferred not to talk about issues involving Donald
JOHN MCCAIN, U.S. SENATE REPUBLICAN: Before you go any further, I have said everything that I want to say.
TUCHMAN: But there were certainly questions to ask-Arizona's senior senator, after Trump said he would not support McCain in his primary race
later this month.
(on camera): Mr. Trump said yesterday he will not support you. My question is if the presidential election were today, would you vote for
Donald Trump for president?
MCCAIN: I've said I would support the nominee of the party. Let me just say to you, that is the last time, if I change my view or my position, then
you will be among the first to know, OK?
TUCHMAN (voice-over): Donald Trump has not treated John McCain with a lot of respect during his campaign. This past summer Trump said the former
Vietnam POW was not a hero.
TRUMP: I like people who weren't captured, OK?
TUCHMAN: Many Republicans denounced Trump at the time for saying that and many of them are not supporting Trump, but John McCain, the chairman of the
Senate Armed Services Committee is not one of them, at least yet.
(on camera): Are you comfortable with Donald Trump possibly having control of the nuclear arsenal?
MCCAIN: Anyone that the people of this country choose to be the commander- in-chief and the president of the United States, therefore can lead this country and will lead in a responsible fashion, anyone who is elected
president fairly of this country.
And that's the way that our democratic system works. That's the way our government works. The American people select the next president of the
United States knowing full well what the role of the commander-in-chief is. Therefore, I have the utmost respect for the verdict of the people.
TUCHMAN (voice-over): There are still more than three months for John McCain to possibly change his mind. Gary Tuchman, CNN, Chandler, Arizona.
GORANI: Donald Trump will not endorse John McCain. John McCain says he will vote for the nominee of his party. We know that nominee is Donald
One last look at the campaign trail for you, Donald Trump holding that rally in Portland, Maine. He last visited that state in June. A few
minutes ago, he was interrupted by hecklers holding up pocket constitutions.
New polls show Hillary Clinton has a big lead over Trump in three key states, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. She is going to be
making an appearance in Las Vegas, Nevada. She's been touring an electric company.
We don't have numbers for Ohio. That I remember during the Republican National Convention, that state had Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump neck
and neck. Not clear, though, if in the last couple of weeks we've had new polls for Ohio. That's a major battleground state.
This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Hundreds of suspected drug dealers dead in the Philippines. Is the country's renewed war on crime out of control?
GORANI: A warning, some of the images that appear in our next report are graphic. It deals with the killings of hundreds of suspected drug dealers
in the Philippines in just the past month. It's believed they've been killed by both police and civilian vigilantes.
The bloodshed comes during Rodrigo Duterte's first month as president. He's known for his tough approach to tackling crimes. But as our Ivan
Watson reports not everyone agrees with his methods.
IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A searing image from the streets of the Philippines capital. A woman
clutches her husband soon after an unknown attacker shot him dead. Left by his body, a sign calling him a drug pusher.
While his killers have not been identified, the images are at the heart of a debate over the country's new president and his controversial war on
Rodrigo Duterte, nicknamed "The Punisher," campaigned on a vow to eradicate drug trade. Now one month after taking office, his crackdown has been
swift and brutal.
RODRIGO DUTERTE, PHILIPPINE PRESIDENT: We will not stop until the last drug lord, the last financer, and the last pusher have surrendered or are
put behind bars or below ground if they so wish.
WATSON: The Philippines police say within three weeks of Duterte's inauguration, they killed at least 239 drug suspects while arresting more
than 3,000. Press photos show crime scene after crime scene, body after body, all, police say, alleged drug dealers killed in shootouts.
The president instructed security forces to kill if suspects violently resist arrest and he announced regular citizens have the same right.
Local media tallied hundreds more alleged drug dealers and users killed by suspected vigilant vigilantes. The trail of bodies, human rights activists
say, a sign of authorities' blatant disregard for due process and an endorsement of vigilante justice.
JOSEF BENEDICT, AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL: All these incidents need to be investigated. There must be a halt to killings which is a violation of the
right to life and Philippines' obligations.
WATSON: But Duterte is not backing down, going after more and more senior targets. The president also acknowledged this famous photo. Stay away
from drugs, he warns, or else, quote, "You end up sprawled on the ground and you're portrayed in a broadsheet like Mother Mary cradling the dead
cadaver of Jesus Christ. Ivan Watson, CNN.
[15:50:03]GORANI: Well, don't forget you can check out our Facebook page, we have interviews and analysis there, Facebook.com/halagoranicnn.
A lot more to come this hour, we focus again on Rio. This time it's not about athlete doping bans, but a worldwide gaming craze. We'll be right
GORANI: By all accounts, now the games can truly begin. Pokemon Go is going to Rio for the Summer Olympics. Players of the wildly popular
reality game use their phones to hunt Pokemon characters. It's launching across Central and South America in time for Friday's opening ceremonies.
A good bit of hue and cry about the game has come from some of the Olympic athletes themselves. CNN Money correspondent, Samuel Burke, joins me now
live. Apparently, this has caused issues for one athlete already.
SAMUEL BURKE, CNN MONEY BUSINESS AND TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: At first the athletes were complaining that the only thing they didn't have in the
Olympic Village that they wanted was Pokemon Go. One guy from Japan, a gymnast from Japan, he downloaded it before it was even available. He got
a roaming fee of $5,000. That's him. It really goes through your battery and uses a lot of data.
GORANI: The fee is it's $5,000!
BURKE: Exactly. Luckily for him, because he's an Olympian, his telephone company is going to cover the bill, or else he might have had to pawn his
gold medal if he wins it when he gets back home with that bill.
GORANI: So it's because of all the data usage involved in playing Pokemon.
GORANI: I have to say I've never played it, but it does make you walk the long road or the long way home.
BURKE: When we go to the grocery store, my partner makes us take the long way so we can collect more Pokemon so I've lost a couple of pounds.
GORANI: Good for you, I'll have to give that a shot when I come back from vacation. So let's talk about who is this paying off for, this whole
BURKE: Well, it's interesting, a lot of people thought it would be Nintendo. First and foremost, it's Apple. Take a look at this tweet that
Tim Cook just put out on a social network that isn't owned by Apple.
This is actually a different chart, but it still makes the point. Niantic is really the one making the money. It really is Apple, because look at
this tweet. "July was a record breaker for the app store, highest ever monthly billings and money to developers."
The app store has paid out $50 billion since it opened. But a lot of analysts believed that IOS and the Google app store are making $10 million
a day from the in-app purchases.
The app is free but you purchase virtual goods and so they're getting a cut of the money. Apple made $3 billion from Pokemon revenue in the next 12 to
GORANI: I'm hesitating. Should I download it because once I get obsessed with a game then it's just --
BURKE: When I met you, you were in your heyday of Farmville.
[15:55:02]GORANI: I kind of was. I did it for a year. I enjoy building up to certain levels. Now I'm playing this word game where you have to
come up with the longest words and you get -- I've been scoring in the top 50 out of 8,000 or 9,000. So I'm almost at the point --
BURKE: Congratulations, Hala.
GORANI: Thank you very much. One of my greatest achievements. Nintendo's stock is down 35 percent from its Pokemon peak. Why is that?
BURKE: So let's go back to that chart that we are just showing because a lot of people thought that Nintendo, because they were one of the makers of
Pokemon originally, they would be the ones making all the money. They're really just licensing it to Niantic.
This is a kind of startup that was spun out of Google, which is now called Alphabet based in California. They're really the ones who are going to
reap so much of the money.
You see Nintendo, Alphabet, and the Pokemon Company are invested in Niantic so they'll make some cuts and a lot of people think Nintendo could license
more caricatures so that they could make other games. But Niantic is really the one who is going to make all the money when it's all said and
GORANI: All right, thanks very much, Samuel. By the way, have you been following the Nigerian football team's travels?
BURKE: This is incredible.
GORANI: They were stranded in Atlanta. They had to make it. Apparently there was an issue with the payment for their charter flight. With just a
few hours to spare, the Nigerian football team will take the field in Brazil. The team was supposed to fly to Rio last week, but then they
didn't pay the charter flight. That left the team stranded in Atlanta. They final flew out this morning thanks to Delta.
BURKE: There are worse places to be stranded in the world.
GORANI: The airline came to the rescue by picking up the tab. Nigeria is scheduled to play Japan tonight at 9:00 p.m. local. I think, though, they
have to pay Delta back at some point.
BURKE: It's amazing they got there in time. There are so many Nigerian viewers who are watching. Can you imagine if your team didn't get there
because they're stranded in an airport?
GORANI: I'm worried about them because they are going to land at 2:00. Apparently the pitch, where they play is an hour and a half outside of Rio.
They'll get there jet-lagged and slightly out of it, but we wish them luck.
BURKE: Now you're rooting for them because they're the underdogs.
GORANI: If you have to land, drive an hour, and then play an Olympic football game.
BURKE: It's like being a reporter for CNN. You land, you've got to get there.
GORANI: That is true. Thanks to Delta for stepping in. This has been THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Thanks very much, Samuel Burke. I'm Hala Gorani. "QUEST
MEANS BUSINESS" is up next.