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Trump Endorses Ryan, McCain, and Ayotte; Chicago PD Release Video Tied To Shooting Of Unarmed Teen; Obama Sharpens Attacks On Trump; Hillary Clinton Fumbles E-mail Answer; Donald Trump Endorses Paul Ryan; Chicago Cop Violated Protocol to Shoot Unarmed Teen; Can Ivanka Trump Help Father on Women's Issues? Aired 12-1p ET

Aired August 06, 2016 - 12:00   ET

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[12:00:00] FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Trump has had a change of heart. The Republican presidential candidate now endorsing House Speaker Paul Ryan and he's also throwing his support behind Senators John McCain and Kelly Ayotte. Trump making the announcement last night at a campaign rally in Green Bay, Wisconsin, Ryan's home state.

Earlier this week, Trump said he was not quite there yet when asked if he would endorse Ryan. His decision comes after a rough campaign stretch where he has seen his poll numbers fall and his fellow Republicans calling him to stay on message and do more to unite the party.

Let's bring CNN's Scott McLean. Scott, these endorsements, is that a step towards that unification of the party?

SCOTT MCLEAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, absolutely, Fredricka. Donald Trump even quoted former President Ronald Reagan to make the point about unity and about growing the GOP tent.

As you mentioned, though, a lot of Republicans want Donald Trump to stay on message, stay focused on Hillary Clinton, and he seemed to do that yesterday, upping his rhetoric calling her the queen of corruption.

But his criticism for her earlier this week seemed to be overshadowed by falling poll numbers, controversy and battles with people within his own party.

His failure to immediately endorse Paul Ryan, Kelly Ayotte, and John McCain ruffled a lot of feathers and so this surprise endorsement was a pretty big reversal and one way to end a bad week by stamping out at least one controversy.

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TRUMP: In our shared mission to make America great again, I support and endorse our Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan. Paul Ryan, he's a good man. He's a good man and he's a good guy. And we may disagree on a couple of things, but mostly we agree and we are going to get it done and we are going to do a lot of wonderful things.

(END VIDEO CLIP) MCLEAN: Now, Trump followed up by endorsing John McCain obviously and Kelly Ayotte. McCain is a guy, though, that Trump said just a few days ago he was never a big fan of.

Now Ryan and McCain have both publicly endorsed Donald Trump, but they've also made no secret about publicly disagreeing with him.

Kelly Ayotte for her part hasn't formally endorsed Donald Trump, but she says she supports the party's nominee. She's trailing in the polls in New Hampshire for her reelection bid in the Senate.

She's one of the most endangered Republicans who's up for reelection this year. Trump is going to be in her state later on tonight, Fredricka, and a lot of people will be listening closely to see what he has to say about her if anything.

WHITFIELD: All right, Scott McLean in Washington, thanks so much. Let's talk more about this, Donald Trump endorsing House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senator John McCain and Kelly Ayotte.

Joining me right now is Peter Wehner, former senior adviser to Mitt Romney's campaign, Taryn Rosenkranz is a Democratic strategist and Hillary Clinton supporter, and Mike Shields is CNN delegate analyst and a former chief of staff for the Republican National Committee. Good to see all of you.

All right. So Mike, you first. Does it matter whether it seemed genuine or authentic or not for Donald Trump to throw his support now behind Paul Ryan and John McCain?

MIKE SHIELDS, CNN DELEGATE ANALYST: Well, first of all, I run a super PAC that is affiliated with Paul Ryan and we did a poll in his primary and he's crushing his opponent that you had on television earlier.

He is winning, at least, in our poll he was up 69/20. I've seen polls where he's winning more. So I don't think Paul Ryan sought Donald Trump's endorsement.

WHITFIELD: So you don't see Paul Nehlen as a real threat and the whole issue about whether Donald Trump was really throwing support behind Nehlen at that time and now an about face, you're disputing that?

SHIELDS: No. Look, Donald Trump endorsed Paul Ryan and it's good for Him to do that. My point is that it's not going to have any effect on this race. I don't think Paul Ryan sought his endorsement.

I think this all sort of blew up as a separate issue. The voters in the first district of Wisconsin are going to overwhelmingly vote in the speaker of the House. He's a new candidate and one of the lessons he's having to learn over and over again is that politics is a team sport.

Donald Trump needs Paul Ryan at this point more than Paul Ryan needs Donald Trump. I think that's being played out over and over again. You saw Ted Cruz get booed out of the convention in a convention where you had a lot of Cruz delegates there because politics is a team sport.

People want to see these leaders work together. It isn't an individual sport where you do it on your own. I think Donald Trump is going to have to continue to work to bring the party together.

Yesterday was a good step. He's endorsed Republicans running for office as well as him on the same ticket. He's going to have to keep doing that.

It's on his shoulders to bring the party together and bring his team together around him. And many of these folks, he needs them more than they need him and I think that's the case with Speaker Ryan.

[12:05:06]WHITFIELD: Peter, are you in agreement with that with that it's Donald Trump who really needs to endear himself to all of the support as opposed the other way around?

PETER WEHNER, FORMER SENIOR ADVISER, ROMNEY CAMPAIGN: Yes, I'm partially agreement. I think Mike is right. Politics is a team sport, but Donald Trump is not a team player. This dance with Trump is becoming silly. Actually it was silly quite some time ago.

This is like Lucy and the football. There's effort for him to reach out and pretend like he's a normal politician and even normal person if there's unity.

For example, he gave a speech on Thursday night at the Republican National Convention where he was talking about unity. What did he do on Friday morning? He attacked Ted Cruz but brought up this crack pot theory that Ted Cruz's father was implicated in the JFK assassination.

Look, I think the thing that you have to understand with Donald Trump is has a disordered personality. I think if you don't understand that, the way he acts does not make sense. I think if you assume that to be the case, then all of these disturbed pieces begin to fit into place.

He's a person who's erratic, unprincipled, unregulated and intemperate, and people with control him apparently for a day or two, but he reverts to form because that is fundamentally who he is.

That is the great problem that the Republican Party has. There was an assumption that Republicans could control him and contain him, especially when he won the nomination.

That belief has been shattered into a thousand pieces and he's getting worse not better and now they face the prospect of three more months of this. This is a calamity for the Republican Party.

WHITFIELD: So then Taryn, how problematic is this? We're talking three months or so away. You know very critical months and you've got language like erratic and dangerous being used to describe, you know, Donald Trump.

TARYN ROSENKRANZ, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well it's funny. There was a tweet from the campaign a couple of weeks ago, they don't want him to have his Twitter password and he's running for the nuclear codes. This kind of erratic behavior is certainly what has concerned I think a lot of Americans and is concerning more.

But I think what's interesting here is that he tried to give it a little bit of a penance, a little bit of outreach to these GOP figures by giving them their endorsement.

But I think Mark was absolutely right when he said they don't need him, he needs them at this point. If he really wants to stay focused in these last, you know, less than 100 days to get over the finish line, he's going to have to pull himself together to get through this.

WHITFIELD: All right, Taryn Rosenkranz, Peter Wehner, Mike Shields, thanks so much to all of you. Appreciate it.

Coming up, Chicago police say an officer violated protocol in the shooting of an unarmed teen. Video capturing the disturbing incident. We'll talk to a former Chicago police officer next.

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WHITFIELD: All right, welcome back. Police nationwide have been on higher alert after Chicago police released video tied to the shooting death of an unarmed teenager.

The 18-year-old Paul O'Neal was allegedly stealing a car and then you'll see the black Jaguar in this clip crashes into a police squad car. It is disturbing video.

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WHITFIELD: What isn't seen in all of the hours of footage is the moments when O'Neill was struck by gun fire himself. That officer's body cam, according to police, was not recording but for unknown reasons, Chicago police say their protocol was violated. Here's more of the video and a reminder, it is disturbing.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hands behind your back!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shot too? Huh. You shoot?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They shot at us too, right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I shot at the car after it almost hit me.

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WHITFIELD: So with me now former Chicago police officer, Dimitri Roberts. Good to see you. So your initial reaction to the images that you have seen. DIMITRI ROBERTS, FORMER CHICAGO POLICE OFFICER: Very disturbing. I patrolled those streets of Chicago and was a member of the Chicago Police Department for many years and I can tell you this doesn't represent very well the training that we went through. And it doesn't represent the majority of officers that are going out there and following protocol and doing the right thing every day.

WHITFIELD: Because the training, as I understand, the protocol says that if a suspect is fleeing, gun fire is not to be happening unless an officer is being threatened. At what point in that video that you were able to see could you see why there was a firing of the weapon?

ROBERTS: I couldn't see a justification for it, Fredricka, to be honest with you. The car was moving away from the officers, as well as the suspect at this time. It was obvious that he did not have a weapon present with him as he was fleeing. And again I think the department is going to be very hard pressed to find justification in this shooting.

WHITFIELD: And then what kind of confidence level do you have in the body that would investigate this? Should it be Chicago PD? Should it be, you know, some other entity? Should it be Justice Department? What do you see as the right way to go?

ROBERTS: Well, I think it should be a combination of all of those. But as well, I think this is a great point to bring the community in to understanding what goes into these investigations.

As we know, this is not just an issue that is going on in Chicago. This is one that's going on across the country. And one thing I think is an important place to start is to build a bridge between community cultures a police cultures.

We have to get more community members involved with the police policies as well as procedures as it relates to the incidents because that's the only way we're going to build sustainable solutions moving forward.

WHITFIELD: So in this case, the cameras also captured some of the conversation. I want to play that again on what was heard.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He shot back, right? He almost hit him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

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WHITFIELD: So what we can, you know, discern there?

[12:15:02]You know, the concern of one officer about being, you know, relegated to being on the desk duty and then almost like another officer asking for confirmation, so he shot back, right? Now we know he of course was unarmed. What do you suppose was behind that kind of conversation at that time? ROBERTS: Well, I think it underscores my point that we have to, in the law enforcement community, begin to take a service first approach, not necessarily an enforcement first approach as we see play out in so many scenarios across the country.

I think it's very unfortunate that these officers made these statements, but more so that the family of this victim had to hear those statements made after the killing of their son and their family member.

This is something that we can build on. This is a point for unification not just in Chicago, but throughout the country. There needs to be better training, better community engagement.

And we have to insure that our officers are standing up if are the policies and procedures for which they were trained because that's the only way to bring some healing and some unity around these issues.

WHITFIELD: You said you're familiar with that particular beat, that community, that area, that the officers patrolling that area, those officers that we just saw, you know, some depicted in body cam, that all of them would be wearing body cam you know apparatus and is it the case that sometimes it just doesn't work?

ROBERTS: Well, having been in a lot of tough situations myself. I can tell you police equipment fails all of the time. I don't think this is a case where officers are trying to cover anything up and I definitely don't think that the department is in the place to do that either.

We've seen a difference in the way Chicago Police Department is handling this case than they have in previous ones and I think this is a positive sign that they want to be transparent and that the new leadership there is taking a forward thinking and forward leaning role to both engage the community as well as these issues head on.

WHITFIELD: Dimitri Roberts, formerly a Chicago PD, thank you so much for your time and perspective. Appreciate it.

ROBERTS: Thank you.

WHITFIELD: All right, up next, President Obama has been sharpening his attacks on Donald Trump. We'll debate the potential impacts still ahead.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: I obviously have a very strong opinion about the two candidates who are running here. One is very positive and one is not so much.

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[12:21:09]

WHITFIELD: President Barack Obama is headed for Martha's Vineyard today for a vacation away from politics. It comes after a busy week in which the president had a lot to say about the presidential election, delivering tough talk on Republican candidate, Donald Trump.

White House correspondent, Michelle Kosinski, has more.

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Fredricka. The president is now officially on vacation. We may not hear from him again for more than two weeks. But he did seem to relish the opportunities this past weekend two press conferences that were really designed to be focused on other things to hit Donald Trump hard and it felt like the gloves are now off.

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KOSINSKI (voice-over): The political storm growing ever fiercer. President Obama today gets away from it all, sort of. For what he hopes will be a quiet two weeks on Martha's Vineyard, but not before leaving behind some surprising zingers of his own aimed directly at Donald Trump.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yes, I think the Republican nominees unfit to serve as president. He keeps on proving it. He's woefully unprepared to do this job.

KOSINSKI: And he kept on going at a press conference alongside the Singaporean prime minister extending the sentiment to Republicans.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: If you are repeatedly having to say in very strong terms that what he has said is unacceptable, why are you still endorsing him? What does this say about your party that this is your standard. There has to come a point at which you say somebody who makes those kinds of statements doesn't have the judgment, the temperament, the understanding to occupy the most powerful position in the world.

KOSINSKI: This is a long way from early in the race when President Obama rarely uttered Donald Trump's name. Would make veiled references or speak broadly about all of the Republican candidates. Remember them? Now though since his endorsement of Hillary Clinton and the conventions, President Obama seems freer, willing, and eager to speak his mind.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Of course, the elections will not be rigged. What does that mean?

KOSINSKI: This was during press conference at the Pentagon after a meeting on ISIS.

BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: What is your assessment today as you stand here about whether Donald Trump can be trusted with America's nuclear weapons?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: I've made this point already multiple times. Just listen to what Mr. Trump has to say and make your own judgment with respect to how confident you feel about his ability to manage things like our nuclear triad. KOSINSKI: Referring back to his sharpest barbs only days earlier.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: There has to come a point at which you say enough.

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KOSINSKI: You know, it sounded as if the president were saying I've said enough now, I've made any point. So what about from now on, on the campaign trail? He doesn't like to get into a back-and-forth with Donald Trump, doesn't like to respond to every single tweet.

But what we are seeing now is that when things become highly controversial or divisive like those Trump comments on the parents of the fallen Muslim soldier, White House sources say yes, he's absolutely going to be willing to weigh in in this way and then some especially if political events. Although the settings that we saw this week were not -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: All right, Michelle Kosinski, thank you so much.

All right, straight ahead, Hillary Clinton's latest comments on her e- mail scandal. The clarification that she offered about that and the FBI investigation next.

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WHITFIELD: Hello again and thanks so much for joining me. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. There are no official events planned today for Hillary Clinton, but she wrapped up the week at a convention of black and Hispanic journalists in Washington addressing persistent questions about her e-mail use as secretary of state and talking about the need to overcome trust issues with voters.

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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Every time I have done a job, people have counted on me and trusted me. I take it seriously. I know it doesn't make me feel good when people say those things and I recognize that I have work to do.

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WHITFIELD: All right. I want to talk this over with our political panel. Peter Wehner is a former senior adviser to Mitt Romney's campaign, Taryn Rosenkranz is Democratic strategist and Hillary Clinton supporter, and Mike Shields is a CNN delegate analyst and a former chief of staff at the RNC.

All right, good to see all of you again. Thanks so much for sticking around. Taryn, you first, why does Clinton keep re-explaining the e- mail issue in the way she's deciphered what FBI Director Comey has said? It doesn't seem to serve her well.

ROSENKRANZ: Well, I think she has to because it's the Republican's favorite talking point and regardless of what she's talking about, you know, they were just on this job tour and they're talking about jobs and the economy and the issues. It just keeps coming back to her.

[12:30:01] So I think she has to address it so that people will know that she's thinking about it and working on it. I love what he said. I still have work to do. She's trying to address that with them. That she realized that --

WHITFIELD: But if she just left it at that, then there wouldn't be discrepancies of I still have work to do or enough has been said about it or you know, Mr. Comey already explained and then move on. But that's not what happened.

ROSENKRANZ: Well I don't think anyone let's that happen for her. Certainly, Hillary Clinton is not one where they have just you know left it at something simple, right? Like it's just never that simple for anyone. That they do kind of keep coming you know, back at her. And she does have to keep defending herself. And then, you know, and I think it's important that she tries her best to make sure that people know that she's, you know, working on it. And then, she is trying to address and clarify and answer their questions. You know, is that always the right thing to do, you know, I don't know. But, I do know that it's important I think when you are Hillary Clinton. You're a little bit of an anomaly. Right, like people just don't accept and leave anything you say at face value.

WHITFIELD: So, Peter, you know, given your experience working with Romney's campaign, you know, help people kind of envision, kind of conversations might be happening in Clinton's camp about this issue or if you were working in her campaign, what would you be advising her about how to handle this when the question comes up?

PETER WEHNER, FORMER POLICR AIDE, USA: Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, let me perhaps, so I think it actually is more simple than that what was just said. What she did was inappropriate and reckless and then she lied about it and now she's lying about the lies. So that's explains why she's in a quandary that she is. Look, I think what she probably should have done, given that she's in a very, very bad position and rightly in a bad position, is she should have made some reference in her DNC speech when she had the biggest audience, which went some steps towards saying what I did was wrong and I regret it in a deep way and explained why it was. And then, having made a statement as comprehensive as she could and as self-critical as she felt like she could, to have said essentially that's it and I'm going to go on. Her problem is, she keeps trying to relitigate this and try to explain that what she said really wasn't a lie when it was. And she just keeps making the situation worse and worse. I think the way out of this isn't easy. It's obvious. But given her personality and given her tendencies and given her inability apparently to admit that she's told lie upon lie, that really compounds the problem for her team.

WHITFIELD: So Mike, you know, well Clinton is enjoying a bump in the polls after the DNC, is it appearing as though both Trump and Clinton have a tendency of you know, settings themselves back, and this being the latest example you know for Hillary Clinton and you know, Donald Trump. There have been other examples.

MIKE SHIELDS, CNN DELEGATE ANALYST: Yeah, I think you can see why Hillary Clinton doesn't like to take questions from the press and why she avoids them at all costs, because the reason is came back (inaudible) someone ask her question about it. That she avoids the press. You know, we're in a year where everyone talks about how polarized and how sort of separated the country is. Here's one thing we're not. Ninety two percent of the country thinks that she either lied or did something reckless with her e-mail. Seventy percent of the country...

WHITFIELD: ...but questions are unavoidable. You're running for the presidency of the United States. There are going to be questions. But it's how you handle the questions? That is what you're being judged on. That's how you're being measured as a candidate.

SHIELDS: That's right. And she's not being able to escape this. I mean, she's going to have to come up with something better than continuing to lie. I mean, what she had compounded this on was she lied again. And 70 percent of the country, 70 percent of the country thinks that she shouldn't have been indicted by the FBI. I mean, that's unbelievable to let that stink in. So, I think, you know, if the election is about Hillary Clinton, it's a lesson for Republicans, if the election is a referendum on Hillary Clinton, we're going to win.

WHITFIELD: All right to Taryn, I see you nodding your head.

ROSENKRANZ: Well, I think, I mean, this is what I'm talking about, I mean this issue we can't -- and whether or not what the American public believes, like they did a proper year-long investigation. And they did what they were supposed to do and decided not to indict her. And to your earlier point, I think, it's exactly what I was trying to say which is that everywhere she goes and everything she talks about, I mean, you know, this is the question that comes back at her. It's hard to change the topic when, you know, it's repeatedly going after her for the same thing. And the interesting part here that Donald Trump does a million different in discrepancies and then shows how you know, we talked about his erratic behavior earlier. And yet you know, we have to move on and ask him a different question about every misstep he's had. She has the same one and the only one and show she's handled it. And you know, has proved there was no wrongdoing. So of course, we're going to be able to keep coming back it.

WHITFIELD: Okay and then there's the issue of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton who are both trying to court the Bernie Sanders supporters. Bernie Sanders in fact aimed an op-ed in yesterday's Los Angeles Times urging his supporters to vote for Clinton of saying this, "Donald Trump would be a disaster and an embarrassment for our country if he rather were elected president. This campaign isn't based on anything of substance. It is based on bigotry." So, Peter, will this assist Bernie Sanders supporters on making up their mind about Clinton or Trump?

[12:35:18] WEHNERS: Probably help. Senator Bernie Sanders is obviously very popular among his supporters. And they're pretty (inaudible) and I think the more he goes out of his way to say Trump is not the person who I vote for, that ...

WHITFIELD: Like particularly those ones who were you know, like anyone but Clinton. I mean, there were some staunch Bernie Sanders supporters who were just no way, arms crossed. But he has made his appeal to all of them. How helpful would that be?

WEHNER: It's going to be someone helpful. Look, some people are not going to vote for her but usually in these kinds of situations the party rallies around. The bigger problem really is not Clinton with Sanders' supporters, it's Trump with Republican supporters. If you look at the polls, he's way below the numbers he's going to need to win the election in terms of getting Republicans to rally around him. The Democrats at least are working for to prepare, Donald Trump is not. We saw a couple days ago, he attacked Ryan, Ayotte and McCain. Now, he tries to correct it. Next week, there will be something else where he goes after them. So they at least have a plan and a strategy to try and repair the damage. Donald Trump is a bomb that goes off every few days. And so, the Democrats in that respect are in a much better position than the Republicans. The Republican Party is much more fractured and coming apart than the Democratic Party at this point.

WHITFIELD: All right, at Peter, Taryn and Mike thanks so much to all of you, I appreciate it.

Just a reminder for you at home to watch "STATE OF THE UNION." CNN's Jack Tapper interviews former GOP presidential candidate and Ohio Governor, John Kasich. It all starts tomorrow morning 9:00 a.m. Eastern right here on CNN. And we'll be right back.

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[12:40:30] DONALD TRUMP, (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I support and endorse our speaker of the house, Paul Ryan.

WHITFIELD: All right that was Donald Trump last night as he finally threw his support behind House Speaker Paul Ryan who is facing a primary challenge from Paul Nehlen in just three days. I spoke with Nehlen in the last hour and I asked him if he was at all bothered that Donald Trump decided to endorse his opponent.

PAUL NEHLEN, PAUL RYAN'S WISCONSIN PRIMARY OPPONENT: No. This is for party unity. Donald Trump showed leadership last night by bringing the party together. And look, Paul Ryan is running scared. We're going to see his FEC reports. He's spending $2 million to $3 million to try to keep his seat in a primary against a guy who's just been a businessman his whole life. So, people are upset with Paul Ryan's agenda. Paul Ryan had to go on local radio here to reassure people that he still had a soul. Just like Christine O'Donnell had to say she wasn't a witch. Listen. If he can get the Speaker of the House to go on and say, you still have a soul when in fact, he sold his soul to the Globalists and I called him a soulless Globalist.

WHITFEILD: So then what does this mean to you now that you know, Donald Trump is not, you know, standing by his earlier commitment to you? I mean yes, you say it's for party unity but does that make it excusable in your view?

NEHLEN: Donald Trump's message hasn't changed. He's against foreign corporations taking our jobs. And Paul Ryan is the biggest open borders anti-worker pro-Wall Street members of Congress on either side of the aisle. Donald Trump is not endorsing Paul Ryan's TPP plan to strip our jobs overseas. Donald Trump is not endorsing Paul Ryan's let's bring in as much cheap labor so that Americans can't have a family wage or a living wage or food on their tables for their own job, where Paul Ryan is endorsing H1B visas and H2B visas. He quadrupled them. Paul Ryan sold his soul to Globalists, people who put money in his campaign coffers. Donald Trump is not endorsing that. Donald Trump, Mr. Trump is unifying the party and I applaud him for that. He's a warrior on behalf of American workers. Paul Ryan is a warrior on behalf of Wall Street. That's who Paul Ryan is. And that's who people in this district know him as. That's why the party apparatuses circle the wagons to try to keep me out of the air waves. They don't want people to know that there's somebody who's going to fight for jobs, all-Americans jobs.

WHITFIELD: All right. That was that was Paul Nehlen, the man taking on Paul Ryan in next week's Wisconsin primary.

All right, coming up next Chicago police say an officer violated protocol in the shooting of an unarmed teen. We'll give the legal side of the argument coming up.

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[12:45:11] WHITFIELD: All right, welcome back. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. The newly released body cam video showing a fatal police shooting of an unarmed black teen in Chicago is sparking outrage. I want to warn you, the video is difficult to watch.

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You can see it play out on screen there, a high-speed chase followed by guns blazing. Police trying to take down 18-year-old Paul O'Neal, who they believed stole a car, multiple shots are heard as O'Neal is chased on foot. . Police say the officer who shot O'Neal in the back violated policy. An independent police review panel called the scene shocking, I'm quoting now, shocking and disturbing.

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Let's bring them in, our legal experts, Avery Friedman civil rights attorney in law professor joining us from Cleveland. He'll be on the phone with us, I believe and Richard Herman a New York criminal defense attorney and law professor joining us in front of the camera there in Las Vegas.

All right. Glad you can both be with us first, audio check Avery are you there?

OK. It looks like Richard, it's you and me until we can establish a better connection with Avery. So already an admission now, Richard from Chicago police that officers violated -- at least some officers violated protocol firing at this fleeing suspect unless the lives of officers are in jeopardy. That's the protocol.

So, what do you see in how this investigation will move forward based on the body cam, the dash cam video that we have seen?

RICHARD HERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, let's give it at least to the Police Department for their transparency and release of this video eight days after the shooting.

The policy was 60 days. A lot better than a few years in the prior cases in Chicago. But Fred, you have to understand. This is an extremely high-crime area. There are people getting shot every two hours and there are deaths of every 13 hours in this area.

Mr. O'Neal was involved in grand theft auto. Not the video game. He stole a vehicle. He crashed it to a police car. That does not warrant him being shot in the back and killed.

WHITFIELD: Right. It says he was unarmed, police have said that.

HERMAN: Yeah. So the police were not in imminent fear of severe bodily harm or death. Therefore, they're going to argue that by him driving the vehicle, they were in fear for their lives. But then when the vehicle crashed into the police car, he got out and ran. And he was shot in the back. That was the cause of death, shooting in the back.

I think these police officers are in big trouble here, Fred. Also the death cases been filed will be a federal civil rights case and probably criminal charges here, a lot different than Freddie Gray. This one here looks like it's going to stick.

[12:50:02] WHITFIELD: And then Avery, I understand you are with us now.

AVERY FRIEDMAN, CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Yeah, I'm already here. There you go.

WHITEFIELD: We can hear you know too. So now, what about the issue that on this audiotape and videotape, we're able to hear officers in this dialog almost like double checking with one another, you know he shot at you right, or he did fire, right? How problematic is that especially now? That it's confirmed by police, no weapons -- he didn't have a weapon

FRIEDMAN: Yeah. I think that's profound in both the criminal context and the federal civil rights context. Because what that evidences is, excuses as if the individuals chasing Paul O'Neal are the victims. One says, oh great, I'm going to wind up on the 30-day desk job. Another guy says you have to make sure these are off, referring to the cop cams. It goes to the question of intent both in terms of criminality, but also in terms of the broader issue of civil rights violations which really is important. Because earlier this year, Fredricka, a taskforce investigating police accountability or lack of accountability concluded widespread systemic racism.

Well, when you look at those remarks, you have to say to yourself, because you know, it's what they say, everybody is coming up with an excuse. And to make it even worse, no one says, look, this young man has been hit. He's bleeding profusely. Let's get some help, of trying to save his life. And there is nothing like that other than these guys talking to each other about a concern of winding up on a desk or you know, shutting the cameras off. That's awful.

WHITEFIELD: Go ahead, Richard.

HERMAN: Avery is wrong, Fred. There were 15 shots fired within five to six seconds.

FRIEDMAN: That was before, Richard. You're getting that part mixed up with the shooting itself.

HERMAN: I'm talking now. It's reasonable for a police officer in that environment under those circumstances to maybe feel they were shot on also. It's not something, look, they're trying to set this up. It's happening, bang, bang real quick there.

WHITFIELD: Except -- yeah, I think on the sequence there, Richard. That that shooting, are you talking about once they've already exited the vehicle after ...

FRIEDMAN: Yeah.

WHITFIELD: ... this young man is.

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FRIEDMAN: He's getting the two mixed up.

WHITFIELD: ... you know, is on foot and then the car has been crashed. And then you're saying that it could be that the officers thought that their own friendly fire was that coming from the suspect?

HERMAN: Yes. Yes. They didn't know. There were a lot of shots going off in a short period of time, Fred.

FRIEDMAN: Yeah. I don't know what that has to do with the chase, now ultimately shooting Paul O'Neal in the back.

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WHITFIELD: We couldn't see all of the videotapes but it appeared, because some of it is blurred out, but if you're looking and you're watching the movement, it looks like he's been handcuffed and the presumption because he's being handcuffed, he's not been shot yet. So then, if he's handcuffed, why would he be shot in the back?

HERMAN: No, I think he was shot already when he was handcuffed, right?

FRIEDMAN: Oh I agree with that.

(CROSSTALK) HERMAN: He was already shot. And he was dying. And I don't think there could have been anything to save him. And he was shot in the back. And that's the problem for these police officers. Shooting him in the back while he was fleeing.

WHITFIELD: And it got there. There are a lot of things we see, don't know because the video does not tell all of the story. We are trying to you know, have a discussion, talk about this kind of investigation based on the little bit of tape that the Chicago PD has released.

Possibly, there may be more information coming from Chicago PD in the coming days. But thank you so much Avery and Richard for trying to you know, trying to lay it all out for us as far as we know from the facts so far. All right. Thanks so much.

All right. Live pictures right now, of a marine one there. President Obama will soon be taking off. We're seeing this from -- OK. I think our language on the screen is wrong. It says Andrews but now we're hearing that this marine one is actually in Martha's Vineyard?

OK. Live pictures of the President as he embarks on his vacation. Much more straight ahead.

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[12:58:23] WHITFIELD: All right. The Democratic and Republican Conventions, both presidential candidates had their children front and center, as Chelsea Clinton and Ivanka Trump introduced their parents for the keynote speeches.

One moment that many pointed to as a standout moment was when Ivanka spoke about women's issues. It's a topic Trump hasn't discussed in great detail.

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IVANKA TRUMP, DAUGHTER OF DONALD TRUMP: My father values talent. He recognizes real knowledge and skill when he finds it. He is color blind and gender-neutral. He hires the best person for the job. Period.

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WHITFIELD: So how much can Ivanka help female voters see Trump as someone who would be an advocate for women's rights? I sat down with the panel to discuss a host of things.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think a lot of women, including myself don't want to be viewed through the prism of gender. We want to be spoken to as our male counterpart. When Donald Trump speaks about making the economy better, I as a woman understand that helps me. It helps my male counter part. He's speaking to me as a person not as a woman.

MICHAELA ANGELA DAVIS, CULTURAL CRITIC: To talk as if that there's some utopia that one day the light switch came on in. It's equal for everyone. But it's equal for women. That is equal for most on (inaudible), equal for black people like -- so to talk as if, speak to me like a person, perhaps if I was a privileged (inaudible) right. But because I'm coming from the position of knowing that we're working from a deficit, we have to act as if we're in today. That we are not equal.

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WHITFIELD: Or the dynamic conversation with dynamic women. You don't want to miss it. Our conversation airing tomorrow beginning at 2:00 Eastern Time right here on CNN, right? The next hour of the CNN NEWSROOM starts right now.