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[00:00:12] JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR: This is CNN NEWSROOM live from Los Angeles. Ahead this hour --
SARA SIDNER, CNN ANCHOR: A score settled in the Rio pool. The Russian swimmer who twice failed doping tests faces her American finger-waving rival.
VAUSE: Donald Trump lays out his plans for the U.S. economy hoping to reenergize his campaign and boost his falling poll numbers.
SIDNER: A driver's near-death experience -- why he says Tesla's self driving car saved his life.
VAUSE: Hello, everybody. Thanks for being with us. I'm John Vause.
SIDNER: And I'm Sara Sidner.
NEWSROOM L.A. starts right now.
A big night for the United States and a major showdown in the Olympic pool in Rio -- American swimmer Lilly King set an Olympic record to win gold in the women's 100 meter breaststroke on Monday night.
VAUSE: She beat out Russia's Yulia Efimova settling an earlier feud over the Russian's history of doping. Efimova won her heat in the 100 meter breaststroke semifinal and put her finger up to say she was number one.
SIDNER: But King was having none of it. The American put her own finger it was more of an admonishing finger wag.
VAUSE: World Sports' Christina MacFarlane joins us now from Rio. And Christina -- this race between King and Efimova was one of the most anticipated showdowns of the entire Olympics.
CHRISTINA MACFARLANE, CNN WORLD SPORTS: Yes, that's absolutely right.
Good evening -- Sara and John. Another big night in the pool and a lot of drama as you just laid out there. Yulia Efimova has been something of a controversial figure in these Olympic Games. She has actually tested positive for drugs twice in the last three years. And just earlier this year she was provisionally banned for taking Meldonium.
She was only actually cleared to compete in the Olympic Games on Saturday by the swimming governing body and so consequently she has been somewhat booed by many of the fans here in some of the events that she has been coming into.
But tonight, as you laid out, it was a head to head between her and Lilly King and they certainly went hammer and tongs at it. In fact they were only separated by just under a second but it was Lilly King who got the job done winning her first ever Olympic gold medal and afterwards Efimova was in tears, floods of tears, on the sidelines. But she did say that she didn't think she was going to be able to compete in these games so at the end of the day she was happy with a silver medal.
But very strange to hear, you know, boos ringing out at these Olympic Games. And that is on account of, you know, many of these Russian athletes competing here.
VAUSE: Boos for Efimova but also boos from the crowd it seems for a lot of the Russian competitors at the stadium. Is it coming from the crowd or is it coming from the competitors? Who is behind it?
MACFARLANE: I think it's actually a bit of both -- John. You know, 271 of Russia's athletes were cleared to compete here just last week. But that doesn't mean the spectators have to like it.
I was at the opening ceremony just a couple of days ago. Now, the Russians when they walked in got many cheers but there were some boos among them as well. And we actually heard booing in the swimming arena just yesterday in the men's 4 x 100 meter race and again this evening ahead of that showdown with Lilly King.
But as you say, it's not just the spectators, the athletes too are speaking out about the fact that they don't feel comfortable racing against some of these Russian athletes. Lilly King as well one of them making her feelings known saying that she didn't think the IOC should have allowed them to compete here in Rio at all.
Now, the Russians have ten medals to their name so far and there could be many more to come. So I guess, we're going to have to expect to see scenes like this. But, you know, it's a little unsettling. It's not something we are used to seeing at the Olympic Games but that's just the way that it is this year.
SIDNER: Highly unusual. I do want to talk about something that a lot of people are cheering for Japan -- wowed the crowd and won its gold in the men's gymnastics. It was amazing to see. I love this Kohei Uchimura.
China had won the last two times. This must have been amazing to watch. Tell us a little bit about what we saw.
MACFARLANE: Sara -- I love the gymnastics as well. And if you've seen this it was such a great competition out there on the floor. Japan, as you say, they haven't won since 2004. Now they're back to the top of world gymnastic and led by Kohei Uchimura, who as you say is perhaps, possibly the gymnast of all time. He's certainly the best gymnast around at the moment.
He was absolutely faultless out there today inspiring his team to the win. Kohei Uchimura you may remember him as the gymnast who managed to wrack up a $5,000 bill playing Pokemon Go here in the build-up to this event.
Russia came close though. They weren't able to beat him. They have to finish in silver position. And China who we often see at the top of the medal table in gymnastics settled for third. They're a big grudge match but great to see them in action.
[00:05:09] VAUSE: And also, you know, the Australian women's rugby team, a gold beating out the New Zealanders.
MACFARLANE: I thought you might bring this one up -- John. A historic first gold medal for the Australian women in rugby sevens for the first time since 1924. And it was a big showdown between two familiar faces, New Zealand and Australia. But in the end it was Australia who can claim the bragging rights on this one. They beat New Zealand 24-7 in a heated match down there at the Deodoro this evening.
But I wouldn't get too comfortable -- John. We have the men's games coming up in rugby sevens tomorrow. And Australia is actually fourth on the world ranking. We still have New Zealand, Fiji and South Africa ahead of them. So we'll see where we end up there.
VAUSE: We'll see.
SIDNER: We know who he's rooting for, anyway, don't we -- Christina.
Thank you so much for being here.
MACFARLANE: We do.
SIDNER: You will be back later in the hour for us with a live edition of World Sports from Rio.
Now, for a quick look at the medal count after the third day of competition. The United States and China are tied with five gold medals each.
VAUSE: Not Australia because we are awful. We always do well early because of the swimming that went last. Italy and Japan and Hungary round out the top six with three gold medals each; the U.S. leads right now in the total number of medals with 19.
And they're looking forward to Tuesday's action, 15 gold medals will be awarded in nine different sports. Here are some events to keep your eye on. Katie Ledecky will be chasing another gold in the women's 200 meter freestyle.
VAUSE: Refugee swimmer Rami Anis who is Syrian will make his Olympic debut in the 100 meter freestyle. And team USA looks to defend its women's gymnastics team final. Also I should mention Michael Phelps will be going out for gold in the 200 meter butterfly.
SIDNER: Yet another gold. He's already got 19 -- amazing.
VAUSE: Well, the latest stunning move in this election season, 50 prominent Republican officials are denouncing Donald Trump's presidential bid. The foreign policy and national security experts signed a letter predicting that Trump would be the most reckless president in American history. They said his erratic behavior and lack of self control is dangerous for someone with command of the nuclear arsenal.
SIDNER: And of course, there is a response from Mr. Trump saying that quote, "These insiders along with Hillary Clinton are the owners of the disastrous decision to invade Iraq, allow Americans to die at Benghazi and they're the ones who allowed the rise of ISIS. Yet despite these failures they think they are entitled to use their favor trading to land taxpayer-funded government contracts and speaking fees. It's time we put our foot down and declare that their gravy train is over."
Meanwhile Trump is trying to get his campaign back on track by focusing on the U.S. economy.
VAUSE: In Detroit on Monday he outlined his plans for sweeping tax cuts and renegotiated trade deals.
Dana Bash has the specifics.
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DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Back to basics.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: We need to stop believing in politicians and start believing in our great country.
BASH: Donald Trump delivered a detailed economic policy speech but his goal seemed to be more fundamental, reminding voters that he is an outsider eager to disrupt a broken system.
TRUMP: Our party has chosen to make new history by selecting a nominee from the outside and that's outside of the very, very already proven rigged system.
BASH: Trump made sure to re-up his core anti-trade populist messages his campaign believes could play well in places like hard-hit Michigan.
TRUMP: American cars will travel the roads. American planes will connect our cities. And American ships will patrol the seas.
BASH: But he also used his speech to the Detroit Economic Club business people to talk tax cuts and court college-educated, wealthier GOP voters that polls show Trump may be at risk of losing.
TRUMP: We're reducing your taxes from 35 percent to 15 percent. BASH: That's a 15 percent cap on taxes for businesses. He's also
proposing a moratorium on new business regulations and renegotiating NAFTA. Trump even dumped his own tax reform proposal, wiped it from his Web site and adopted the House Republican plan.
TRUMP: My plan will reduce the current number of brackets from seven to three and dramatically stream line the process.
BASH: And he warned GOP voters considering voting for Hillary Clinton about her plans.
TRUMP: Hillary Clinton, who has spent her career voting for tax increases, plans another massive job killing 1.3 trillion dollar tax increase.
[00:10:08] BASH: Before he even spoke the Clinton campaign released a web video trashing Trump's plans.
TRUMP: I would borrow knowing that if the economy crashes you can make a deal.
BASH: CNN's poll of polls showed Clinton with a whopping ten-point lead over Trump. To turn that around, Trump has to bring college educated women back into his column. He hopes his new tax break for child care developed with his daughter, Ivanka, will help.
TRUMP: Reduce the cost of child care by allowing parents to fully deduct the average cost of child care spending from their taxes.
BASH: Still one of the most noteworthy parts of Trump's speech was what he didn't say. No insults for protesters even though he was interrupted 14 times. He bit his tongue except for this.
TRUMP: The Bernie Sanders people had far more energy and spirit. I will say that.
BASH: Dana Bash -- CNN, Washington.
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VAUSE: And we'll have a lot more on Donald Trump's economic plan. We'll hear from both sides of politics on this one. We'll hear from one of Trump's economic advisers. We'll also hear from Robert Reich who worked for President Bill Clinton. He'll analyze the plan. They have a lot to say. So stay with us for that.
We'll also -- after the break we'll have more details about the Iranian nuclear scientist who said he was kidnapped by the CIA but then when he returned home he was executed by the Iranians.
SIDNER: Also, a little bit later, could a self driving car save your life? One driver's story of what happened to him.
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(COMMERCIAL BREAK) PEDRAM JAVAHERI, AMS METEOROLOGIST: It's "Weather Watch" time for the Americas. I'm Pedram Javaheri on CNN.
And we take a look at what's happening across the United States at this point still watching a couple of different areas. Here's what is left of Javier, a tropical storm impacting portions of northern Mexico while a tropical feature at least resembling some tropic characteristic producing some heavy rainfall down around the Gulf Coast states and a lot of moisture locked in place across this region the last couple of days.
You continue to watch the pattern but it really will be favorable for a southerly flow. This is not only great for increasing this humidity but also increasing the possibility of thunderstorms especially if there is a trigger mechanism which is this stalled frontal boundary that's sitting across this region.
So if you take a look offshore indicated in white, that is a half a meter of rainfall that's come just offshore of the Florida panhandle region there. And generally speaking a wide-spread area of 200 to 300 millimeters of rainfall has come down. Unfortunately the pattern right now looks like it will want to shift a little to the north along this region. Could see another half a meter of rainfall over the next week or so, so it's certainly a story worth following inside the next couple of days.
The national perspective into southern Canada. We'll go with Winnipeg at 22 degrees, Chicago around 31, Atlanta around 30 degrees.
[00:15:01] Here is Javier again -- very disorganized area of convection right now and watching the storm system that will work its way up to Baja eventually falling apart before it makes its way toward southern California with some scattered showers across this region.
SIDNER: Trump has found a new reason to attack Clinton on her e-mail scandal. He says she is to blame for outing an Iranian nuclear scientist who had just been executed for treason.
VAUSE: We have the details now from Elise Labott.
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ELISE LABOTT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Shahram Amiri was greeted as a hero when the Iranian nuclear scientist returned home to Iran six years ago claiming he fled his American captors, turning down millions of dollars to spy on behalf of the U.S.
SHAHRAM AMIRI, NUCLEAR SCIENTIST: I was facing psychological warfare and pressure much worse than being in prison.
LABOTT: But on Sunday he was executed for treason. Iran's judiciary minister announced Amiri was hanged for sharing Iran's nuclear secrets with the enemy.
GHOLAMHOSSEIN MOHSENI EJEI, IRANIAN JUDICIARY SPOKESMAN (through translator): After due process he received his punishment. LABOTT: Amiri disappeared in 2009 in Saudi Arabia on a religious
pilgrimage. He mysteriously ended up in Arizona where he made a video that aired on Iranian state television claiming he was kidnapped and taken to the U.S. where he was allegedly drugged and tortured.
U.S. officials say Amiri defected and willingly provided useful information about Iran's nuclear program. And in a subsequent video produced by the CIA have Amiri contradict his claims.
AMIRI (through translator): I am free here and want to reassure everyone that I am free.
LABOTT: By 2010 officials claimed Amiri changed his mind and wanted to go home. Iranian television aired a third video in which Amiri returned to his kidnapping story saying he escaped his captors. A claim publicly disputed by then-secretary of state Hillary Clinton.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Well, he's free to go. He was free to come. These decisions are his alone to make.
LABOTT: Amiri demanded to be sent home when he arrived at the Iranian intersection at the Pakistani embassy in Washington. Officials believe he feared for his family's safety. Clinton aides made veiled references to his requests in e-mails over her private server one saying quote, "Our friend has to be given a way out. If he has to leave, so be it."
Days after his heartwarming airport reunion with his son aired on Iranian state TV, Amiri disappeared. Clinton's critics seized on the e-mails suggesting they put Amiri's life at risk.
SEN. TOM COTTON (R), ARKANSAS: That goes to show just how reckless and careless her decision was to put that kind of highly-classified information on a private server. I think her judgment is not suited to keep this country safe.
LABOTT: And Donald Trump took to Twitter to point out that many people are saying that Mr. Amiri was killed because of Hillary Clinton's hacked e-mails.
The Clinton campaign shot back saying that Trump never met a conspiracy theory he doesn't like calling the accusations baseless and absurd.
Elise Labott -- CNN, New York.
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VAUSE: CNN intelligence and security analyst Bob Baer joins us now from Telluride in Colorado. So Bob, what are the guidelines here if a defector decides to go home?
BOB BAER, CNN INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY ANALYST: He gets to go home -- John. There is a thing called PL 110 which sponsors him in the United States. It had nothing to do with the State Department or the Secretary of State. He gets to come here. He gets debriefed. He gets paid and he can leave any time he wants. I've seen this so many times where defectors arrive in the country. They expect something else and they decide to go home even after a year even facing a death penalty like this. This is fairly normal.
VAUSE: One of the reports that we gained from Iran is that he was missing his son. Apparently the authorities there were threatening the family in particular the son. So how common is it for Iran to threaten the family of defectors?
BAER: It is very common. Plus they get home sick, you know, and their family says and the authorities in Iran say listen, don't worry about it, come home. Tell us what you told them, it will be fine. He gets off the airplane. There is a celebration. It looks fine. And then they start to realize just what he has compromised.
In 2009, the judiciary -- hard-line judiciary gets a-hold of him. And this execution was probably approved by the Supreme Leader Khamenei. This is a big decision on the part of the Iranians but you can count on it they were very upset the information he leaked to the United States.
[00:20:04] VAUSE: There was originally some thought that he had he had been sentenced to five to ten years in prison. If that is true and the sentence was changed to the death penalty, and this is the political part now, could that have happened because he was mentioned in the Hillary Clinton e-mails?
BAER: I don't think so. He didn't stand a chance as soon as he went back. It's the family that said he only got ten years. What they were hearing from the judiciary is probably wrong. That was never confirmed. But in Iran, spying for the CIA or the United States is almost certain death penalty.
VAUSE: One thing is Amiri was returning home. U.S. officials here were telling American reporters that he had been paid. He's been offered residence. He'd given a lot of information about Iran's nuclear program. Why would they do that? Wouldn't that put his life at risk?
BAER: Well, you know, I think these are rumors. I think that he probably confessed in prison -- the Iranians already knew that. He wasn't going to go back and not face Iranian intelligence.
You know, these guys are pretty tough. The moment they got a-hold of him they probably got a confession. So what leaked out of the United States is really unnecessary but I doubt that that really contributed to his execution.
VAUSE: Ok. Bob -- thank you. Bob Baer former CIA intelligence officer joining us there from Telluride. Thanks -- Bob.
BAER: Thanks.
SIDNER: Now to northwest Pakistan people are mourning the deaths of loved ones after a suicide blast at a hospital. The attack killed at least 70 people.
VAUSE: ISIS and a faction of the Pakistani Taliban are stepping forward to claim responsibility.
(inaudible) now from Michael Holmes.
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MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Chaos in the city of Quetta (ph) after a suicide bombing at a busy hospital.
This man says there were bodies and blood everywhere after the blast ripped through the crowded emergency ward. And it appears, this was a carefully targeted attack. Many lawyers and journalists were gathered at the hospital when the bomb went off. They were there to mourn the death of a prominent local lawyer who had been killed at a shooting earlier in the day.
SAEED SHAH, WALL STREET JOURNAL: The scene of the attack was utter horror. I mean they assassinated a lawyer. They then waited for lawyers to gather at the hospital to receive his body from the mortuary before sending in a suicide bomber.
HOLMES: Dozens were killed, more than 100 injured and the death toll is expected to climb according to local officials. Pakistan's prime minister among the many to strongly condemn the attack.
SHAH: This really is the terrorists saying we're still here despite all this counterterrorism operations of the last couple of years which have had a big affect. The terrorists are very much saying with this that we're still around and we can still hit you.
HOLMES: Several lawyers have been targeted during a recent wave of killings in Quetta. This latest attack -- a reminder that the militant groups like the Taliban are far from being defeated in Pakistan.
Michael Holmes -- CNN, London.
VAUSE: In Afghanistan investigators are searching for an American and an Australian who have been kidnapped in western Kabul. The two men are lecturers at the American University of Afghanistan. Security officials tell CNN a gunman smashed their vehicle's window with his gun and then abducted them.
SIDNER: The driver and body guard in the car were not injured. Officials with the U.S. embassy are also helping with that investigation.
Turkey's president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan meets with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin in St. Petersburg in the coming hours. This is an important meeting. Then men have been working to repair strained relations after Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet last year.
VAUSE: Coalition air strikes battering ISIS in strategic city of Manbij, Syria. U.S.-backed militias are on the verge of overtaking the city totally. They're promising to give the remaining ISIS militants safe passage if they release the civilians who are thought to being used as human shields.
And we will take a short break.
When we come back, a lot more on Donald Trump's economic policies -- we'll hear from both sides of politics, go in depth into this major policy speech delivered by Donald Trump.
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VAUSE: Welcome back, everybody. You're watching CNN NEWSROOM live from Los Angeles. I'm John Vause.
SIDNER: And I'm Sara Sidner.
The headlines for you at this hour. On day 3 of the Olympic Games, American swimmer Lilly King set an Olympic record to win gold in the women's 100 meter breaststroke beating out Russian rival Yulia Efimova. Earlier in the day Japan took gold in the men's artistic gymnastics team competition ending China's eight-year reign as champions.
VAUSE: 50 prominent Republicans are publicly denouncing Donald Trump. The foreign policy and national security experts say Trump would be the most reckless president in American history. Trump says they're members of a failed Washington elite who made the world a dangerous place.
SIDNER: And that criticism came on the same day Trump delivered his plans to fix the U.S. economy.
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TRUMP: You'll remember New York City was a disaster. We made it great. We made it great. This is what I want to do --
Thank you.
This is what I want to do for our country. I want to jump start America. And it can be done. And it won't even be that hard.
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VAUSE: This is Donald Trump's first major policy speech since accepting the Republican Party's nomination for president. It was so important he even read it from a teleprompter.
Joining us now for a closer look at Trump's economic plans, one of his economic advisers, Peter Navarro, who is also a professor of economics and public policy at the University of California - Irvine.
SIDNER: Also with us, Robert Reich, professor of public policy at the University of California at Berkley. Robert also served as labor secretary for President Bill Clinton. Robert -- I'm going to go ahead and start with you. After listening to Donald Trump's speech today what are your concerns? What your criticisms?
ROBERT REICH, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA BERKELEY: Well, basically the speech represented a move backward from kind of almost inarticulate and incoherent economics that he was talking about before toward a more traditional supply-side approach that, for example, Speaker Paul Ryan has taken. And to the extent that there is anything to say about that, the criticisms are fairly standard that supply-side economics has not had, in the minds of many people and researchers who have looked very carefully at the economy, the kind of effects that supply- siders claim it will have.
SIDNER: So Mr. Navarro, tell us what you think of the speech --
[00:30:00] PETER NAVARRO, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA IRVINE: Sure.
SIDNER: -- and perhaps what you thought of --
VAUSE: Yes, respond to what Robert Reich had said.
SIDNER: -- of what Robert just --
VAUSE: Yes, respond to what Robert Reich just said.
SIDNER: ...on what Robert just said.
NAVARRO: The difference between Robert Reich and myself, Hillary Clinton/Donald Trump is the Reich/Clinton approach is kind of a standard Keynesianism approach treating things as a cyclical problem and you just throw a lot of fiscal stimulus on it.
You threw in a little Robin Hood redistribution of income and life's supposed to be all good. Well, Robert Reich and the Clintons have been trying that for the last 20 years.
And what we have now is 15 years of misery in this country. We have a growth rate that's half of its historic norms, 20 million people out of work and zero income growth.
What the Trump plan is, it was a four-point plan. It was a coherent plan based on a structural approach. It included energy reform, regulatory reform, tax reform and trade reform.
It's designed to double our GDP growth rate. Basically, when you do that, we will generate millions of jobs and trillions of dollars in additional tax revenues to pay for things like infrastructure, national defense, Medicare and social security.
So this was a 21st century version of Ronald Reagan with a trade deficit twist on it. It's much, much more than simple supply-side economics. And it's a certainly, a far better alternative to the Robin Hood and John Maynard Keynes-like we've been getting.
VAUSE: OK. Now Hillary Clinton, she's planning a major speech on Thursday. She's not waiting, though, until then to go out to Donald Trump's plans.
This is Clinton just a few hours ago. Listen to this.
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HILLARY CLINTON, U.S. DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Economists left, right, in the middle, all say the same thing. That Trump's policies would throw us into a recession. The last thing we need.
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VAUSE: Now the credit rating agency Moody's has looked at the economic policies of both candidates. This is what they said. "Clinton's would create more than 10 millions jobs and GDP growth would increase to 2.7 percent."
Of Trump's plan they said, "It would increase unemployment to 7 percent, spark a prolonged recession and would cause the value of houses and stocks to fall."
So, Peter, that analysis was done before Trump scuttled his tax plan, lowering the tax rate -- to increase tax rate rather for the top income earners. But today there has been a lot of criticism from both sides of the political spectrum for this plan put forward by Donald Trump.
NAVARRO: Well, let's start with the Moody's plan. As good journalism, I think it's important to report that Mark Zandi, who wrote the report is a major donor to the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton as well. And he's also been the defender for the last eight years of the failed fiscal stimulus policies of the Obama administration.
And Moody's was faulted for its terrible credit ratings for getting us into the housing bubble collapse and the crisis. So that report is not credible.
What we look at here is a four-point program, really, that is designed synergistically to double our growth rate. And if you look at for example the trade problem, we've got an $800 billion trade deficit annually. And in addition to that, we have our business investment domestically reduced because of off shoring to Mexico and China.
Now that's the structural problem with our economy here in the U.S. It's the same structural problem with the economy in Europe. And it speaks to the currency manipulation and unbalanced trade around the world. And until we solve that here in America, in Europe and around the world, we're going to have what we have which is consistently slow growth and no wage income growth.
And Donald Trump sees that. He's got the intelligence to understand we're fighting a structural problem. Keynesianism and Robin hood is not the solution.
VAUSE: Robert, do you want to reply to that?
REICH: If I could -- yes, I could respond to that.
First of all, an ad hominem attack on Mark Zandi from Moody's Analytic doesn't really wash. Moody's Analytic is not a left-wing. It's not a democratic institution. It's a "Wall Street" institution.
Mark Zandi was the chief --
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NAVARRO: He is a major donor to the Democratic Party. But he's a major donor to the Democratic Party.
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REICH: Professor Navarro, will you please have the courtesy to let me finish my sentence.
He was also, Mark Zandi, the chief economist to John McCain, the presidential candidate of the Republican Party.
NAVARRO: That's incorrect. That's actually incorrect.
REICH: In 2008. I'm absolutely correct.
NAVARRO: Factually incorrect.
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REICH: Secondly, let me just -- if we just -- who are you? Let me just finish my thoughts for a moment. Please, have some courtesy. You sound like Donald Trump.
With regards to the Trump plans --
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NAVARRO: You sound like Hillary Clinton.
VAUSE: Please let Professor Reich finish his point, please.
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REICH: The supply-side aspect of the plan can be shown. The tax policy project, the Tax Policy Counsel has looked at the plan that -- from which this is derived that is the Paul Ryan's plan and found that it would generate for the top 1/10 of 1 percent an $800,000 tax cut per year.
This will aggravate inequality. We know that. We've tried it before. We have seen that these kind of supply-side policies do aggravate inequality. And that kind of inequality coupled with the deficit creation that is going to be made, this is not a good policy. I was part of the Clinton administration. We presided over an economy generating 22 million net new jobs for your guest Professor Navarro to say that somehow the Clintons and I have, you know, have driven the economy into the ground expresses and displays a failure to understand economic history.
VAUSE: And on that, we shall call it a night. But this is a discussion, obviously, which could go on for an incredibly long time. It's very interesting listening to both of you talking about it. we appreciate your insights and sharing them with us today.
NAVARRO: Thank you.
SIDNER: And before we go, we'll make a quick mention -- thank you, guys, both for being here. A quick mention of Robert's latest book that's out, "Saving Capitalism with the Many, Not the Few."
VAUSE: And Peter, when you have a book come out, we'll plug it as well.
NAVARRO: I have a book coming out called "Crouching Tiger," and it's on the bookstore, bookshelves.
VAUSE: There you go. "Couching Tiger" by Peter Navarro.
REICH: Thank you very much.
SIDNER: Thank you both. Robert Reich and Peter Navarro.
VAUSE: Thank you, both.
SIDNER: All right, an American man suffered a life threatening medical emergency on his drive home from work. Wait until you hear what he says saved his life.
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SIDNER: Delta Airlines and its passengers are still dealing with delays from 650 flights the airline cancelled around the world. Delta blamed the problem on a power outage but says its computer systems are fully operational again.
VAUSE: Delta says it will provide $200 in travel vouchers to passengers who experienced more than a 3-hour delay or cancelled flight. Still trying to work out why the backup system did not take over when the power went out.
There has been a lot of bad news for Tesla and its auto pilot feature in recent weeks. But now one driver says it may have saved his life.
Joshua Neally was driving home from his daughter's birthday when he felt extreme pain and had trouble breathing.
SIDNER: It turns out he was having a potentially life-threatening pulmonary embolism, that's a blockage in a lung artery. Neally says he trusted the Tesla's auto pilot feature to stay on the road until he got close to a hospital and then was able to drive himself the rest of the way.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JOSHUA NEALLY, TESLA DRIVER: If something like that happens where I become unconscious or incapacitated while I'm driving, I'm not going to cross over the interstate and slam into somebody or slam into one of the big rock walls.
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[00:40:07] VAUSE: Neally is out of hospital and has recovered from the embolism. Back in May, though, you may recall a man driving a Tesla on auto pilot was killed when the car crashed in Florida.
Ed Kim is the vice president for Industry Analysis for Auto Pacific and Automotive Marketing Research firm. He joins us now.
And thanks for being with us.
ED KIM, VICE PRESIDENT, INDUSTRY ANALYSIS FOR AUTO PACIFIC AND AUTOMOTIVE MARKETING RESEARCH FIRM: Thank you.
VAUSE: Joshua Nealy's experience is very unusual. But does it prove autopilot works as a safety feature any more than say Joshua Brown, the man who died in Florida, proved that it's not.
KIM: Well, I think what this shows is that this is a very nascent technology. I think this incident shows that there is a lot of potential behind this technology, but we are not quite there yet as far as it being fully realized, fully actualized.
There certainly the tragic accidents over the last couple of months, certainly demonstrate that there are still -- there is still quite some way to go until this is really ready to be called a fully autonomous system. I think for right now, it's something that's semi- autonomous. It has bits and pieces of what the full autonomous systems of the future will have, but right now we're not quite there.
SIDNER: At one point, insurance agencies were saying that they were going to start asking car companies over time to start putting in certain automated features like the stopping feature to keep you from crashing.
KIM: Right.
SIDNER: But when you look at these different stories that are coming out, like you said, it's not quite ready yet. When might do you think this might be sort of automated enough so that you can trust it most of the time at least?
KIM: Well, here's the thing. Most of these -- vehicles today have a lot of the building blocks necessary to have autonomous drive -- you know, to basically autonomous drive. And we've got adapted cruise control. We've got blind spot monitoring. We've got lane keeping system.
Basically, those are the features that actually make up Tesla's auto pilot feature which Mr. Neally used to get to the hospital. But, you know, there's still more integration that has to be done. You know, for example, the mobile eye camera that is in the Tesla model X, that camera that is currently being used by Tesla, it's black and white and it can read color. It's not a stereo camera. So it can't see in three dimensions. You know that is only capable of doing so much.
In fact, Tesla and mobile eye have in fact ceased their partnership because Tesla does see the need to get to the next level of technology.
VAUSE: Given the fact that it's not quite there yet, and there has been some criticism of this. The actual name of the feature, auto pilot, it gives sort of a false sense of what the car can do.
KIM: I would agree with that statement. I think auto pilot implies autonomy. In an airplane, if you put the plane on auto pilot, it really does fly itself.
SIDNER: Right.
KIM: In a car, in the Tesla, auto pilot can basically get you down the road, down a highway, you know, under very specific conditions, but it's not going to handle reading stop signs. It's not going to handle reading road signs or traffic lights or anything like that.
In the case of Mr. Neally, this was a case where the car simply had to get down the highway, about 20 miles and Mr. Neally actually then took the car off, you know, to the upper left and then drove the car into the parking lot and, you know, did that manually.
You know, certainly, he's very fortunate that he had that feature. That he was able to get to the hospital, you know, safely. But, nonetheless you know, the previous incidents that we've seen certainly show that, you know, it's not -- it's not fully quite there yet.
SIDNER: Drivers -- basically, what you're saying, really actually do need to pay attention.
KIM: Oh, absolutely.
SIDNER: And some of these little features will help you in case you might, you know, need a little extra help, but you can't take your hands off the wheel and go, hey, I'm going to let it take over.
KIM: Well, sure. And, in fact, Mercedes Benz has a feature that's very similar to autopilot but in their system, it actually wants the driver to keep their hands on the wheel.
If you take your hands off the wheel for more than like 15, 20 seconds, it will actually alert you and tell you, please, put your hands back on the wheel. It's really more of an assist rather than a full autopilot.
SIDNER: Yes. I think Tesla has some of that, too.
VAUSE: OK. SIDNER: Thank you, Ed Kim.
KIM: Thank you very much.
SIDNER: And thank you for watching CNN NEWSROOM live from Los Angeles. I'm Sara Sidner.
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