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Secret Service Has Talked to Trump Camp; Clinton Speaks Amid Email, Second Amendment Fury; Clinton Says It Was the Latest in a Long Line of Inappropriate Remarks; Trump Says Clinton Emails Indicate Pay for Play; Man Grabbed After Rushing Stage as Clinton Spoke. Aired 3:30-4p EST

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[15:30:00] DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And your great congressman who is a terrific guy, where is he by the way? Congressman, stand up. Stand up. Vote for him. He's our guy. Senator, stand up Senator, come on. Good.

We have great people here. Right now they're swimming uphill. But with Trump we'll be just sliding beautifully down. It will be a whole different deal. It will be a whole different deal and it can happen quickly. It can happen. We discussed that.

We had a big meeting and it is going to happen very quickly. It doesn't need to go through Congress. Doesn't need to go through lots of different things. EPA is very important what they've done. We want -- everybody agrees -- we want clean air and we want clean water. Do we agree?

I want. So I very much appreciate the meeting. It was a great meeting. I just want to say that Virginia has lost 1 in 3 manufacturing jobs since NAFTA. Now NAFTA was signed by Bill Clinton. NAFTA is a disaster. It's been a disaster not only for Virginia, but for every -- virtually every state. Upstate New York, it looks like a war zone. That's why I want so much and I got the upstate vote in numbers that nobody's seen before.

Upstate New York, you go to new England, you see the factories. There's beautiful old factories. You see, they were once thriving. Thousands and thousands of people working. Those people now are doing part-time jobs. They're working two jobs. They're making less money than they made 18 years ago.

Don't know if you saw that statistic where people -- people in this room, too. But where people are make being less money now in real wages than they made 18 years ago. And even longer. And they've gotten older. Gotten older. And they're working harder. Not supposed to be that way.

Hey, of course I've gotten older and I'm working harder, too, I didn't need this. Hey, I didn't need this. I could have enjoyed myself a lot. We're all getting older around working harder. It's supposed to be the other way. Right? We're getting older and starting to relax. No, I don't know if I'd like that. I love what I'm doing. I have been all over this country. We have the greatest people

anywhere in the world. The greatest people. And I have the greatest supporters. We have the most loyal supporters. And the smartest. You know, they always like to demean everything. They try and demean supporters, they're always trying to put a -- little shots. Boom, boom, boom. We've got the smartest, we've got the most loyal, we've got the hardest working, we have the best people.

They like to demean. But we have amazing, amazing people. I've seen this all every country. We can start making Apple computers in our country. Okay, folks? We can start doing -- we can start doing that. We go to China. You think even the shipping costs -- just think of the shipping costs. How much of a difference -- you've been in all different states and you'll get the good deal from somebody. Just keep it in our country.

When they close plants and they move to Mexico, then a company builds in Mexico, whatever product they're making, then they think they're going to sell the product back into the United States, all of their people have been fired. Every single one of them have been fired. They're now using people from another nation to make the same product.

You know what? They think they're going to sell it across our border which by the way will become a very strong, very powerful border. No longer going to be a piece of Swiss cheese. They think they're going to sell it across the border. No tax, no nothing. Sell it to wherever it came from. Let people that got laid off buy it. Now maybe they're unemployed, maybe they are working two jobs and they are making less.

Right? As we said. Not going to happen, folks. I've watched for years as our government which is -- I guess you could say stupid but honestly not so stupid. They're controlled by special interests. When you see companies moving over to Mexico, and other places --

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: All right and so from Donald Trump we go to Hillary Clinton speaking at her own rally in Des Moines, Iowa.

[15:35:00] HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: -- who understand that know we can be the clean energy super power of the 21st century. And some people get a little carried away. Have you noticed that? But I get carried away thinking about all jobs we're going to create. And all the families that are going to have a better chance for the future.

I also get carried away by thinking about advanced manufacturing because what happened in Iowa was not just putting up the turbines. You all figured out that you could actually put them together in Iowa, and employ people who are doing that work and then train people in apprenticeship programs at community colleges to make sure you could maintain those turbines. So the last time I checked there were about 10,000 Iowans working in clean, be renewable energy.

The other thing we're going to do is help small businesses. I just came from visiting a great t-shirt company, Raygun. Right? You've been there? Raygun? Met a young man from Iowa who started that company, employs about 50

people right here in Des Moines, has stores all across Iowa. I see another small businessman that I have gotten to know has got his own bowling alley. Thank you so much.

But here's what we've got to do. We've got to make sure that small businesses, particularly those started by young people, get the credit they need. And if they've got student debt, I want to put a three- year moratorium on their student debt payments so they can start their business and see whether they can be successful.

My dad was a small businessman and I was really excited to see them making t-shirts on silkscreens because that's what my dad did on a bigger scale when he had a little print plant that printed drapery fabrics using silkscreens. I used to help him from time to time.

And I believe in small business. That's why I want to be a small business president. And that's a big contrast with Donald Trump who has spent his career stiffing small businesses, refusing to pay the bills. I don't know what would have happened in my family if after my dad had worked so hard he showed up with the fabrics he had printed for the drapes and they said, sorry, we're not paying you.

Honestly, that is not how we do business in America. And so we're going to stand up for small business and help create more of them to create more good jobs here in Iowa and across America! We are also going to make the economy fairer. How are we going to do that?

We're going to raise the national minimum wage so it's no longer a starvation wage. We are also going to do what Tom Harkin has stood for his entire life. We're going to make sure people with disabilities have jobs and opportunities in this economy. And we're going to make sure that women finally get equal pay for the work that we do.

So, yes, I've been laying out plans ever since I showed up here in Iowa back in April of 2015. And I am thrilled to be the Democratic nominee to be able to campaign on those plans a take them to Washington! Now I got to tell you, if you look at the plans I've laid out, and a lot of independent analysts have done that. Here's what they conclude.

Under my plans, we'll create about 10.4 million new jobs in America. Under Donald Trump's so-called plans, we will lose about 3.5 million jobs. Now let me translate that into Iowa. Because if you divide the country by population, here in Iowa you could gain 101,000 jobs under my plans, and lose more than 33,000 jobs under Donald Trump's plans.

So, I got to tell you what I believe, which is that if we want to get the economy working for everybody. Then we need a campaign that lays out the agenda so people can vote for it, so that when I'm elected I can tell the Congress this is what the people of America voted for us to do!

[15:40:01] So I get pretty excited and pretty carried away, enthusiastic about what we can do, because we've done it before. I couldn't believe all that negative pessimistic talk coming out of the Republican convention. I didn't know what country they were talking about. Of course we have challenges. Yes. We have problems, of course we do.

But there is nothing America can't do if we decide to set some goals and pursue them because, you know what? We are stronger together! And let me say something about what I think is a critical difference between my opponent and myself. Words matter, my friends. And if you are running to be president, or you are president of the United States, words can have tremendous consequences.

Yesterday we witnessed a long line of casual comments by Donald Trump that crossed the line. His casualty cruelty to a Gold Star family. His casual suggestion that more countries should have nuclear weapons. And now his casual inciting of violence. Every single one of these incidents shows us that Donald Trump simply does not have the temperament to be president and commander in chief of the United States. So the stakes have never been higher.

I am humbled and moved by the Republicans who are willing to stand up and say that Donald Trump doesn't represent their values not only as Republicans but as Americans I have to tell you, I feel that same sense of responsibility. We may not agree on everything, but this is not a normal election.

And I will work hard for the next three months to earn the support of anyone willing to put to put our country first. As a young man said to me in Florida the other day, friends don't let friends vote for Trump. I also think Trump's belief that he alone can fix America's problems is so contrary to who we are as a nation.

Our founders set up our country so that we had three branches of government that had to work together. We had the federal government, state and local governments that had to work together. And that's what we've done so successfully. And along comes Trump and basically says, I can do this alone.

Well, what about the troops on the front lines who rely on each other and support each other? What about our law enforcement officers who rely on each other and support each other? What about our teachers and our educators who rely on each other and support each other? What about our doctors and our nurses who rely on each other and support each other?

We know that we're stronger together because we've seen what happens when we work together. And that is exactly what we're going to do to build on the progress that we've made, to set those goals and go after them together. But I can't do this without your help. I hope you will join this campaign.

Please. Join us. Join us by texting join, j-o-i-n, to 47246, or go to HillaryClinton.com. We are organizing across Iowa. We're going to be helping people vote early so that they can make sure that their vote will count.

[15:45:00] We're going to be reaching into every part of this state and we're going to be talking and listening as we did way back in April, to learn what's on the minds of Iowans and to figure out what you need from the next president.

Now I know that any election is hard. It's filled with unpredictable twists and turns. But I want you to imagine what you will feel like the day after that election if we have not come together to chart a course of confidence and optimism that will really get our economy working for everyone, keep us safe and maintain American leadership around the world, and unify our country. That is what I will spend every single day working to achieve.

And with your help, Iowa, we will win Iowa! We will win the election! And then we will work together for the future we are seeking! Thank you and god bless you!

BALDWIN: All right. So, Hillary Clinton wrapping up a rally there in Des Moines. We heard from Donald Trump. But I still have my panel with me. Gloria Borger, as we look at these pictures, we did hear just a couple of minutes ago Hillary Clinton mentioning, to quote her, she said the casual inciting of violence is how she characterized what Donald Trump's remarks about the second amendment just yesterday. Casual inciting of violence. What did you make of that?

GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes. I mean she said words matter, and she talked about how he doesn't use his words well, not only did she talk about the casual inciting of violence, but she talked about what she called casual cruelty towards a Gold Star family, talking about the Khan family. Hillary Clinton, you know, didn't mince her words today.

And neither did Trump, quite frankly. Right? Donald Trump I thought was a little subdued but completely on message when he was talking today. He was talking about getting out the vote. He was talking about Hillary Clinton's what he calls "pay for play" problems with her e-mails. He was assailing the media. He was talking about NAFTA. He was talking about protecting the second amendment. All of the issues that in fact he got sort of off message about yesterday when he made this mistake.

He was back on message today. And Hillary Clinton, of course, did not address her own e-mail problem today in her speech. Rather, she chose -- not surprisingly, of course -- but rather, she chose to attack Donald Trump on his mistake yesterday. So she didn't talk about the e-mail issue. He did.

And the question is, when she will address that with the press. We don't have an answer to that yet. But Trump decided to disregard his own problems from yesterday. I believe he thinks it was asked and answered with Sean Hannity.

BALDWIN: You know, he did mention it. He said the second amendment is under siege. Then he left it and moved on. Susan Page, do you agree with Gloria he did seem more subdued? Listen, it is perfect red meat for him to talk about the judicial watch, the connection between this alleged cozy relationship between the Clinton Foundation and Secretary Clinton at the helm of State. What did you make of how he did stay on?

SUSAN PAGE, WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF, USA TODAY: I thought he implicitly did respond to the controversy from yesterday by accusing the press of taking some small matter, blowing it out of proportion, and not paying suitable attention to controversies involving Hillary Clinton. So I think he was trying to tamp that down a bit without reviving it by repeating the words that he said.

When Hillary Clinton spoke, you saw her using this as part of the broader argument that Donald Trump does not have the temperament or disposition that is suitable for a president. And interestingly, you heard her make appeals once again to Republicans taking advantage of the divide in their party. She is not reaching out to Bernie Sanders supporters, she is assuming the Democratic party is united. And she is trying to build a bigger victory by getting Republicans who are nervous about Donald Trump to come over to her side even though she acknowledged they may not agree on everything.

BALDWIN: I do want to take a moment to focus on Hillary Clinton's e- mail controversy. She continues to be dogged by this issue. In the latest chapter, let me just bring in Drew Griffin who's been looking through some of these, the back-and-forth. Drew, what have you found?

DREW GRIFFIN, CNN SENIOR INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT: Well, you are looking at like 300 pages or so, this new batch of emails being released. It shows what we've seen over and over, the intermingling of interests and donations and favors being done between Hillary Clinton's State Department, the Clinton Foundation, and donors who apparently had pretty easy access to both when they need help.

[15:50:11] I'll give you a case in point. Gilbert Chagoury, a Nigerian-Lebanese billionaire. He and his brother are deeply involved in the Clinton Global Initiative. Gilbert has the baseball cap on. His brother is on the other side. This project in Nigeria Bill Clinton took part in the opening ceremonies of the company.

Gilbert is listed as giving between one and five million dollars to Clinton Foundation. There is an email that comes from Doug Band the guy who was essentially running the Clinton Foundation at the time. And now runs another Clinton connected consulting firm called Teneo Consulting, Band is telling two of Hillary Clinton's closest aides at State, Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin they need to put Clinton donor Gilbert Chagoury in touch with the State Department's substance person on Lebanon.

And Band is reminding both of those aides, Mills and Abedin, that Chagoury is a key guy there and to us. And he is asking that Abedin call up the former U.S. Ambassador, Jeffrey Feltman so they can connect with each other. Other emails released show cozy relationships with Morgan Stanley executives and Hillary Clinton directly. Morgan Stanley a big donor to both the Hillary Clinton campaigns and the Clinton Foundation.

And their request for favors, finding a person a job, intermingling of emails between State, the Clinton foundation, other people. The overall effect as one congressional investigator told us is it is hard to tell where any lines are drawn between the Clinton State Department, the Clinton Foundation, and even later Teneo Consulting.

The Clinton campaign has tried to explain emails like this in the past saying there is no direct evidence any favors were done because of direct donations. The Clinton campaign responded saying that quote, "Neither of these emails involve the secretary or relate to the Foundation's work...They are communications between her aides and the President's personal aide, and indeed the recommendation was for one of the Secretary's former staffers who was not employed by the Foundation."

Brooke, the Clinton campaign answering some questions on some emails but not all of them.

BALDWIN: OK, Drew Griffin on all of the substantive, the back and forth, thank you, let me bring in you two, Boris and Ana Marie because, Ana you first, because listen it is no secret her trustworthy numbers are in the dumps. When you have again an issue of her email server, it has to be concerning for the campaign.

ANA MARIE COX, SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT, MTV NEWS: What I would not give for this to the number one issue in our campaign. That would be awesome. If this was the thing we were talking about, and there wasn't you know these implications of assassinations. If there wasn't the talk that Trump has made okay, about you know, race, gender, the way he talked about immigrants.

BORIS EPSHTEYN, SENIOR ADVISOR, TRUMP CAMPAIGN: You are changing the subject yourself.

COX: Yes, I am, I totally am. What I'm saying I think the violence and the bigotry in the Trump campaign are more important. Our founders could foresee the kind of the controversies, the coziness, and the corruption that Hillary Clinton is engaging in. That is part of government. I do think corruption is part of government pretty much. And we have a system to take care of it.

Hopefully it is rooted out and new people are elected. That is how democracy works. Democracy can't work under constant threat of violence however. I would like this Clinton email stuff to be sorted out. I would like to know exactly what happened. I would like to see more of emails, sure.

EPSHTEYN: There are three levels of issues here. One, she has been lying not just to the American people, but to Congress. That she has released all of her work related emails, that is now obvious right from the judicial watch release. So that is a lie, and that is perjury in front of Congress.

Two, the 33,000 emails, they are supposed to be about a wedding or yoga, we all know that is not the truth. Where are they and what is in them? And them three, the biggest issue, bribery under RICO, the racketeering act, she is obviously committing pay to play. They have done that their whole career. Remember the Lincoln bedroom scandal when Bill Clinton was president. This something they have done their whole career. Let's forget who this person Gilbert Chagoury is, he is a convicted felon in Switzerland. He is a convicted money launderer who had to pay over $60 million to be set free. And he hasn't just given one to five million to the Clinton Foundation, we pledged a billion, with a B, a billion to the Clinton Global Initiative.

BALDWIN: Has everyone been above the law in terms of giving and working with Donald Trump. I am just trying to be fair.

COX: When are we going to see Trump's tax returns?

EPSHTEYN: There is 104 pages of financial disclosures, which was required to put out there. You can page through them.

COX: But when are we going to see his tax returns?

[15:55:00] EPSHTEYN: If you find something even within a billion miles of this.

COX: If I saw his tax returns, I might be able to see something.

EPSHTEYN: The tax returns are not a requirement. Financial disclosures are. If you go through those, you haven't found anything otherwise you would be talking about it. This is a specific issue. And furthermore, we now know that the Department of Justice Run by Loretta Lynch has declined to prosecute a case against the

Clinton Foundation, the FBI wanted to prosecute.

That again, is insider dealing.

BALDWIN: But again specifically we heard from James Comey that there will be no charges. Giving that, these issues do continue to hit her, and I'm thinking of listen, those who love Hillary Clinton will not change their minds. Those who love Donald Trump, including the man in North Carolina with the red shirt you know, he is voting for Trump, he is convinced, but for the in between, and I know the undecideds are shrinking, do you worry when these stories continue come about her emails, about these connections and alleged cozy relationships? Does that worry as far as those voters are concerned?

COX: It does concern me as an American citizen that people would make a decision to go with the unhinged temperamentally unfit person over Hillary Clinton. I think that --

EPSHTEYN: That worries you? Hillary Clinton doesn't worry you?

COX: It worries me more. I think that Hillary Clinton deserves the scrutiny she has gotten. I hope to continue scrutinizing her as president, I hope that everyone watches her like a hawk. She does have these issues. The more transparent she can be and show she is above board, the more people can trust her.

EPSHTEYN: But the info that does come out, it shows she's not above board. All the info that does come out every time that we do get information, it is never from her because she obstructs justice and it always makes clear that she is not above board and she is a liar and should be a convicted felon.

BALDWIN: That is very strong language.

EPSHTEYN: I mean every word.

BALDWIN: Hang on, I'm not finished with either of you. I appreciate both your perspectives, let's go to Joe Johns. Who has some news we were just watching Hillary Clinton speaking to a crowd in Des Moines. Apparently a man tried rushing the stage. We saw the Secret Service so close to her, what happened?

JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: That is about it. Apparently or at least we think an animal rights protestor tried to rush the stage. Secret Service agents rushing up to the stage not interrupting the speech nonetheless standing on either side of Hillary Clinton on the stage. As other Secret Service personnel took that person into custody.

That is the extent of what we know. We also know animal rights protestors have shown up at other Hillary Clinton events recently I know of one in the last several days. So that was sort of the side show, as you know, probably the big talking point out of this appearance here in Iowa, her forceful response to Trump's statement about the NRA yesterday. Back to you.

BALDWIN: OK, Joe Johns, thank you. Special coverage continues here on CNN after this break.