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Trump's Poll Numbers Sag; Clinton Releases 2015 Taxes; New Presidential Race Polls; Trump Calls Obama Founder of ISIS. Aired 2- 2:30p ET

Aired August 12, 2016 - 14:00   ET

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[14:00:22] POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: Hi, everyone. Top of the hour. I'm Poppy Harlow, in today for my friend, Brooke Baldwin.

We begin with this, Donald Trump bruised by sagging poll numbers, now battling his own words. Any moment now, Trump will be making his first appearance on a campaign stage since this tweet blaming the media for the backlash that he got after he tripled down on his false declaration that President Obama founded ISIS. He tweeted this morning, quote, "ratings challenged CNN reports so seriously that I called President Obama and Clinton the founder of ISIS and MVP. They don't get sarcasm."

This is despite rejecting several opportunities to clarify his words over the last 24 hours, including, frankly, being handed quite a lifeline by two conservative hosts. The flip-flop as Trump faces pretty big problems in a number of key states. Brand-new polls just out. Take a look at this. In particular, North Carolina, that went red, went for Romney in 2012. Clinton now shows a staggering nine- point advantage over Trump, 48 to 39 percent. And in the key battleground of Florida, Clinton has launched ahead of Trump by five points, 44 to 39.

Let's talk about it all with CNN's senior White House correspondent, Jim Acosta, is with us.

You're in Erie, Pennsylvania. That is where Trump will take the stage at any moment. He was certainly riled at his rally yesterday. What do you expect he'll say on stage today?

JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, what we're going to be listening for, Poppy, in just a few moments here, is whether Donald Trump repeats this contention on his part that he was only being sarcastic when he said that President Obama was the founder of ISIS. You'll recall last night at that rally just outside of Orlando, he, once again, used that description that President Obama is the founder of ISIS. He said, he's the founder in a true sense. So he was tripling down or quadrupling down or however you want to put it.

Then this morning we saw that tweet from Donald Trump saying that it was only sarcasm. But, Poppy, you know, this is a critical moment for Donald Trump. As you mentioned, those battleground state polls that just came out this afternoon from D.C. - an NBC News and "Wall Street Journal" shows he is in deep, deep trouble with some states that he desperately needs to win if he wants to beat Hillary Clinton come November.

One thing that we do know is that we will see Donald Trump taking on a more serious posture when it comes to talking about terrorism on Monday. His campaign did confirm that on Monday in Ohio he will be delivering a speech on terrorism, on how to combat terrorism. And I'm guessing a lot of people inside the Republican Party are going to be listening to that to see just exactly what he has to say about this because the fears are starting to build up and down the ballot. We heard Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader, just in the last 24 hours, expressing this concern that the Senate could - Republicans could lose the majority in the Senate. So that is a real concern. And if it's being said out loud by the Senate majority leader, then it's being - it's being expressed privately in Republican circles all over the country, Poppy.

HARLOW: And it gets to the letter written by all of those Republican leaders to the RNC saying, look, take your efforts off funding the Trump campaign and look down ballot because that's what's critical right now. Much more on that later in the show.

Jim, thank you very much. We'll come back to you in Erie when Donald Trump does take the stage.

I do want to get to the Democratic side now, though, because today tax release day for Hillary Clinton. The Democratic candidate sharing with the public her 2015 tax returns. It is a move that she hopes will put extra pressure on Donald Trump to release his tax returns. Don't hold your breath, though. Trump has repeatedly refused to release his tax returns. He says he's being audited for multiple years.

Let's talk about all of this with financial expert Monica Mehta.

Thank you very much for being with me, Monica. Nice to have you on.

MONICA MEHTA, FINANCE EXPERT: It's nice to be here.

HARLOW: A big headline here, the Clintons made a lot of money in 2015. They paid a lot of taxes. How do you see it?

MEHTA: Headlines - exactly correct. They made $10.6 million and paid boo coos in taxes really at the effective rate of 30.6 percent. The highest tax bracket in the U.S. is 39.6 percent, and that's over income that's generally over $450,000. Really not a lot to scratch your head about other than things we've heard before, which is the Clintons get paid a lot for speeches and, in addition, they gave about 10 percent of their income to charity. But that charity happens to be the Clinton Foundation, so that will probably give other people something else to talk about.

HARLOW: You know, it's interesting, I think, look, they made a lot less in 2015 than 2014 because in Q1 of 2015 she stopped those paid speeches, right? But usually the wealthier you are, the more you can write off. And there's a bunch of loopholes that are totally legal and in our tax code. It's interesting, at first blush, it doesn't appear that she, as candidate Clinton, took advantage of a lot of those.

[14:05:16] MEHTA: Well, I mean, the biggest deduction that's available to high net worth individuals really is charitable contributions.

HARLOW: Right.

MEHTA: And the Clintons have a world renowned charity and they give a lot of money to it. But, you know, the Clinton Foundation also has been the subject of financial investigation. It was flagged by Charity Navigator for most of 2015.

HARLOW: Right.

MEHTA: There were a lot of questions being raised about, you know, the books for that charity. So, you know, it - while that - that's not going to show up on their personal return. That would be sort of the fog behind all of this. But it's fairly straightforward.

HARLOW: But - but she is, though, sort of paying the taxes that she is calling on other wealthy Americans to pay, right? She pays over 30 percent, which is in accordance with the Buffett rule, which calls for anyone - you know, if it were made law, which calls for anyone who makes over $1 million a year to pay at least 30 percent in their taxes.

MEHTA: Yes, that's correct. The Clintons are paying close to what they should be paying. But at the same token, you know, you can't - you can't ignore the politics in all of this. There are many different instances where the Clintons aren't as forthcoming about releasing information. But here as far as taxes goes, they're - they're following the book. They're walking the line.

HARLOW: Yes, and now we - now it's sort of to Trump and she clearly is putting these out at a strategic time.

Monica, thank you very much.

MEHTA: Thank you.

HARLOW: Both candidates, right now, in damage control for different reasons. As I mentioned, Clinton's lead in the polls certainly widening, especially in some of those key swing states, surging ahead of Trump in the battleground states of North Carolina and Florida.

Joining me now, Ana Marie Cox, senior political correspondent for MTV News and founding editor of Wonkette. Boris Epshteyn, senior advisor for the Trump campaign and former McCain/Palin aide, and Patrick Healy, CNN political analyst and political correspondent for "The Times."

So let me begin down the middle with Patrick Healy.

You have a new piece out in 'The Times" about all of this. And you talk about a ceiling, right, for Donald Trump. You say, "Mr. Trump now faces the great possibility that his missteps have erected a ceiling over his support." Is that exactly what we're seeing in this poll? PATRICK HEALY, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: That's what we're seeing.

There's such anxiety right now among Trump supporters that loyal Republicans, anti-establishment independents, Clinton-hating Democrats who would normally be attracted to Donald Trump's scripted message are being turned off by these sort of unscripted, shoot from the hip comments that either seem strange or offensive or alarming. (INAUDIBLE) they want sort of the (INAUDIBLE) critique of Hillary Clinton, you know, but instead they're getting these - these sort of - a lot of mud that's being thrown around and questions being raised.

HARLOW: Well, and - and, Patrick, this isn't just anecdotal. I mean your - you quote specific Trump supporters in your piece who said, OK, I was OK with it at the beginning. Now it's sort of too much.

HEALY: Yes, I've been - basically I've spent some time with voters in Pennsylvania a few days ago and these Trump supporters were saying, you know, I vacillate every time he opens his mouth. You know, we're not sure what's going to come out. And it's starting to get a little bit embarrassing.

Look, he has a very loyal base, but the question is, is there a ceiling that is coming down now over that base. Every political candidate wants the ability to grow and usually see that movement to the middle, that attempt to grow your base after the conventions. And right now Trump is stuck in Pennsylvania, in Florida, in North Carolina, the polls that we are seeing today, where he's not able to crack even 40 or 45 percent, whereas Hillary Clinton is growing.

HARLOW: Yes. And there is, Boris, to you, as a Trump supporter, a very big difference between a primary and getting 14 million votes in a primary and a general election.

BORIS EPSHTEYN, SENIOR ADVISER, TRUMP CAMPAIGN: Sure.

HARLOW: These numbers have to be concerning to you.

EPSHTEYN: Well, that's one -

HARLOW: Even through it has been up.

EPSHTEYN: That's one poll that he actually outperformed throughout the primaries. If you look at the "L.A. Times" poll, within one point. Literally one point. So tied nationally.

HARLOW: In what state are you talking about? I'm talking -

EPSHTEYN: The "L.A. Times" - I'm talking about the "L.A. Times" national tracking poll.

HARLOW: So let's talk - I just - I want to talk about the brand-new polls on key states.

EPSHTEYN: Sure.

HARLOW: Let's look in North Carolina.

EPSHTEYN: There's another one -

HARLOW: You've got a nine (INAUDIBLE) spread in North Carolina. This is a state that went red for Romney in 2012.

EPSHTEYN: Sure. And if you look at the Q poll in Florida within two points, and Ohio within two points if you count all the - all the -

HARLOW: You're not answering the question about the poll that I'm asking you about.

ANA MARIE COX, SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT, MTV NEWS: Yes.

EPSHTEYN: What am I going to say? The -

HARLOW: What I'm saying is, is there a concern here?

EPSHTEYN: This is - this is one poll.

HARLOW: It's been 21 days since the RNC ended. So my question to you is, are you concerned that it's been a bad three weeks for your candidate?

EPSHTEYN: I'm - what I'm thinking about, what I'm concentrating on is the 87 days we have until election.

HARLOW: All right.

EPSHTEYN: Of course broadening the spectrum, making sure that we have as many voters on the Trump train as possible. And make sure we drive home the message of the economy and national security. He'll be giving a big speech on Monday on combating terrorism. And that will be a -- the message -

[14:10:04] HARLOW: So that's what he could have done -

EPSHTEYN: That's something that -

HARLOW: Is he could have spent the last three weeks talking about a bad GDP report, really anemic growth in this country, talking about specific plans to fight ISIS. Instead it was the battle with the gold star family, the Khans, the Second Amendment statement. I mean -

EPSHTEYN: Poppy, we could be talking about that. If you ask me about national security I - I could tell you about that.

HARLOW: We want the candidate to come on CNN and talk about those plans.

EPSHTEYN: And (INAUDIBLE) and the candidate is giving a speech in about, what, half an hour? He'll be giving a big speech on anti- terrorism on Monday.

COX: And you think that it's -

EPSHTEYN: And there was a big speech on the economy on Monday, on this past Monday, which was a huge contrast to Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton just gave a retried - you could have gone on the website of the Center for American Progress from 2008 and read her speech from yesterday, while Donald Trump gave new, fresh ideas.

COX: So I - well, I'm curious about that. So in this, you know, speech we're about to watch, what's the over/under for like how many new ideas or policy proposals he puts out?

EPSHTEYN: Well, if you look at the economic speech -

COX: Like, what are the chances do you think?

EPSHTEYN: There were new policies on taxes, on trade, on energy.

COX: No, no, no, you - no, you were saying - you were saying he does it all the time. And I'm saying, in this next speech, do you think that means he's going to avoid just this - the sheer kind of like mudslinging that he's been doing and he'll talk about serious policy proposals?

EPSHTEYN: I'm saying that he has, in his speeches throughout the candidacy -

COX: OK.

EPSHTEYN: And he absolutely will on Monday.

COX: All right, so -

EPSHTEYN: And I'm sure you will come up with some example that makes you disagree.

COX: Well, whatever the case may be.

I actually want to just point out one thing before I get started, which is that you went with "The New York Times" reporters as down the middle and you have an official association with the Trump campaign, right? I just want to point out, I'm not an official surrogate. I have no association with the Hillary campaign.

HARLOW: Yes.

COX: I didn't support her in the primaries. It's a little unfair -

EPSHTEYN: Who did you support?

COX: Perhaps to have me arguing with him because I - I am definitely not a Trump supporter, but -

HARLOW: You don't have to argue with him.

COX: Oh, except sometimes when people say things that bother me, I must argue.

EPSHTEYN: Well, so who did you support in the primary?

COX: Bernie Sanders. EPSHTEYN: OK. Well, he's not a candidate any more.

COX: And I'm not - I mean I'm not afraid to talk about who I support. I think that what's interesting here is in order for Trump to raise his ceiling, he'll essentially have to find some undiscovered state of white voters. You know, he'll have to find more non-college educated white voters. I mean he's losing all these other categories and he's losing in places like Florida, which is a central state where he has, if I recall correctly, zero offices. Is that correct?

EPSHTEYN: That is incorrect.

COX: One office. That's right. One.

EPSHTEYN: That's incorrect. There's a big Florida operation between the Trump and the RNC team.

COX: But one office?

EPSHTEYN: And this ceiling talk -

COX: Let's - let's go to -

EPSHTEYN: This ceiling talk is something we've heard throughout the primary.

HARLOW: All right -

EPSHTEYN: Remember, 20 percent was a ceiling. Thirty percent was a ceiling. And then he crushed the primaries.

HARLOW: Again, I want to point out, though, that it's a different equation in a general.

Patrick Healy, to you. Let's talk about Florida. A big meeting in Florida today. Reince Priebus is not there. Trump's not there. But representatives from both the RNC and the Trump camp are there. There's been a lot of different reporting on this. Some say it's a "come to Jesus" meeting. Some say don't make much of it. Let's listen to what Donald Trump said on Fox.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: If it is true, that's OK, too, because all I'll have to do is stop funding the Republican Party. I'm the one raising the money for them. In fact, right now I'm in Orlando, I'm going to a fundraiser for the Republican Party. So if they want to do that, they can save me a lot of time and a lot of energy and -

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HARLOW: So, Patrick Healy, to you. I mean it's interesting, Trump said, you know, if the RNC doesn't want to help me anymore, doesn't want to raise money for me, you know, et cetera, fine, I'll stop raising money for them. Who needs who more? HEALY: I mean I think at this point Donald Trump needs the RNC to be

coming through for him in a lot of the states where Trump doesn't have an organization and Hillary Clinton is building a serious ground game in Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Colorado, where Trump is behind.

Look, Trump - Trump is the headliner. I mean he's the one who comes into the room, who can bring the money into the room -

HARLOW: Right.

HEALY: Raise money for the party. There's no question. But the party ultimately wants to be standing, and hopefully winning, on Election Day. And their view is that it's good when Donald Trump gives a speech like he's going to give apparently on Monday on terrorism, like he did last Monday on the economy. The problem is, is that all those days in between when a typical nominee would be repeating the points and hammering away at the vulnerabilities of his opponent, Donald Trump is instead throwing kind of red meat to his own supporters at rallies to kind of delight them and energize them and then creating giant distractions from those speeches that the party wants to give. So what I've been hearing from Republicans is what's going on in Orlando is basically trying to send the message - look, some things he does very well and we're grateful on the fundraising side, but is there some way to keep some kind of control and discipline, you know, on the days when he's not sticking to a teleprompter.

EPSHTEYN: I'd like to -

HARLOW: Ana, let me - let me ask you this. This letter - I was just pulling up the letter myself. This letter from Republican leaders to the RNC basically saying, abandon our candidate, put your money down ballot because we need it - you know, we need it in the Senate and the House races. The pushback on that is, is that ignoring the voice of the voters? Is that ignoring the voice of the 14 million-plus people who gave their support to him in the primary and saying we know better. We, the elite, if you will, or the party leaders know better?

[14:15:24] COX: Well, in my opinion, I think we're in a sort of, "you broke it, you buy it" situation, which is to say the RNC and the Republican Party created the phenomenon that is Donald Trump through various moves they've had throughout the decades. So I think, yes, they should stick with him. I agree. I think that Donald Trump is the nominee of the party. He represents the party. Perhaps in ways that Republicans wish he didn't. But, no, I think it's fair to say that he is the nominee and they should support him.

I think this is an abandoning ship as he gets more and more extreme and people want to dissociate themselves with him. I think if they do abandon him, that's real trouble because, as Boris helpfully pointed out, he's really relying on the RNC and towards like doing state by state -

EPSHTEYN: That's not what I said.

COX: No, when I asked about Florida, that's what you said.

EPSHTEYN: No, I said the campaign and the RNC have a big presence in Florida. That's specifically what I said.

HARLOW: Let's let Ana finish. Let's let her finish.

EPSHTEYN: Don't misstate what I said.

COX: Without the RNC he would have very little presence in Florida, in other states. I have heard that he asked at this meeting to have presences in all 50 states, which if that's true, that shows a certain amount of, I would say optimism perhaps, perhaps over eager optimism.

HARLOW: I do - you know -

EPSHTEYN: Can I make a couple comments, Poppy?

HARLOW: Boris, you can, and I want you to respond to what we - you know, what sounded like to a lot of people as pretty fatalistic talk yesterday, especially when he was talking about Utah. He basically said, I need you, Utah. Utah is a big risk for us right now. He talked in that tone about Pennsylvania and Virginia. Sort of the first time I think we've heard Donald Trump speaking so pessimistically about the outlook ahead. How did you see it?

EPSHTEYN: Are we going to play - are we going to play the clip or not?

HARLOW: We can play it. Do we have time, guys? Can you play it?

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I'll just keep doing the same thing I'm doing right now. And at the end it's either going to work or I'm going to - you know, I'm going to have a very, very nice, long vacation.

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HARLOW: And that was one and we'll play some from Utah a little later.

EPSHTEYN: (INAUDIBLE) the candidate. Utah - the governor of Utah just came out and said Utah's absolutely going for Trump. In polling just from August 4th, Trump is up by 12 points.

Now, on a couple of points that have been brought up. First of all, just a couple months ago on this network there was a big cry about how Trump's not raising any money. Trump raised $80 million -- $80 million in July. That's a huge haul for Republicans.

HARLOW: Well, he's not spending a lot of it.

EPSHTEYN: Huge Haul.

HARLOW: And that's a concern among some Republicans, he's not spending it on television advertising.

EPSHTEYN: He's - it's getting - it's absolutely getting (INAUDIBLE). And we could be -

COX: Yes.

EPSHTEYN: Now, if you want to talk about the issues, let's talk about the pay to play. Let's talk about Drew Griffin's report on Clinton and Cheryl Mills. We could be talking about that. But there's nothing that Donald Trump has said or, you know, has done in the last 24 hours that you want to be concentrating on. Now we're talking about literally a process story about a meeting in Florida. I'd love to talk about, where's the 33,000 e-mails for the Clintons? What happened with Cheryl Mills and those meetings with Walmart and Amazon? That's what I'd love to talk about. So those are real issues. You have a candidate on the Democrat side who's lied to the American people for years.

HARLOW: It's just - so, Boris, all day we've been talking about it. We'll continue talking about it. I have you on as a Trump - part of the camp to answer why the polls are sagging so much.

EPSHTEYN: (INAUDIBLE).

HARLOW: But I've got to leave it there. And we'll keep talking -

EPSHTEYN: And I - and I'll - and I'll tell you that the polls will go up and we'll win on N November 8th.

HARLOW: All right. Thank you, Boris, Ana.

EPSHTEYN: Thank you.

HARLOW: You guys can continue in the commercial break. Patrick Healy, thank you so much.

Coming up next, after repeatedly calling President Obama the founder of ISIS, Donald Trump says, no, I wasn't being serious, I was just being sarcastic. We will debate.

Also, a member of the Kennedy family says stop calling Donald Trump crazy. He will join me live to explain.

And moments from now, Trump speaks live in Pennsylvania. We'll bring it to you. Stay with us.

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[14:22:44] HARLOW: So Donald Trump is walking back his claim that President Obama was the founder of ISIS. This is after days of insisting that is literally what he meant when he said it over and over again. Here's a reminder of what has transpired over the past 48 hours.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: He is the founder of ISIS. He's the founder of ISIS.

I call President Obama and Hillary Clinton the founders of ISIS. They're the founders.

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. These are the founders of ISIS.

HUGH HEWITT: Last night you said the president was the founder of ISIS. I know what you meant. You meant that he created the vacuum, he lost the peace.

TRUMP: No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS. I do. He is the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton.

HEWITT: But he's not sympathetic to them. He hates them. He's trying to kill them.

TRUMP: I don't care. He was the founder.

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HARLOW: So, Donald Trump says, you didn't get it, I was being sarcastic. He tweeted that we in the media don't get it, saying, "ratings challenged CNN reports so seriously that I called Mr. Obama and Clinton the founders of ISIS and MVP. They don't get sarcasm."

Patrick Healy, political correspondent for CNN, correspondent from "The New York Times" back with me.

Give me the historical context, Patrick. Have we ever seen anything like this?

HEALY: Nothing like this, Poppy. I mean, look, politicians are often sarcastic, but you - you know when they're being and it can be a little dangerous for them. Hillary Clinton is very sarcastic in private, but she knows that it doesn't play particularly well with voters. So, you know, you know when she's joking, but most of the time she's pretty serious.

The thing right now, Poppy, though, is that Donald Trump has really become his own chief political advisor. Corey Lewandowski played that role for a long time. Some of his children and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, give him political advice. But in terms of some of his instincts, he's deciding a lot of this for himself. And it's sort of clear that for about 48 hours, as you pointed out, he sort of settled on this idea of linking President Obama as being the founder of ISIS. And even when Hugh Hewitt and other conservatives kind of gave him a chance to walk it back, it was obvious that Trump himself had decided that he thought this was kind of a good message to prosecute against Obama and Hillary Clinton. I've heard Trump when he's sarcastic. You know when he's being sarcastic. For a little while, he seemed to think this was a good way to go.

[14:25:10] HARLOW: So even, Patrick, let's say, for argument sake, take Trump at his word right now that, yes, he was being sarcastic. Look to the pundits. Look to the Trump surrogates who have been all over the airwaves for the last 24 hours, the way that they have been defending Donald Trump is saying he meant it, it's true. Case in point, Newt Gingrich. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) NEWT GINGRICH (R), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Look, I strongly support Trump and I think he'd be a much better president, a much less dangerous president than Hillary Clinton, whose corruption and dishonesty gets bigger and bigger every day. But one of the things that's frustrating about his candidacy is the imprecise language. He sometimes uses three words when he needs ten. For example, I think it's perfectly fair to say, and a very powerful debate to say, that the Obama/Clinton decision to pull out of Iraq created the vacuum which enabled ISIS to emerge.

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HARLOW: So that's case in point, right, the supporters on the air saying he meant it, he just could have said it better.

HEALY: Right. And Chris Cuomo's great interview with Rudy Giuliani, you know, sort of got to this as well. People like Giuliani and Newt Gingrich, who are professional politicians, know how to kind of make the case. But Donald Trump sort of sees himself, again, as, you know, as a showman, as an entertainer. He had great success on "The Apprentice" with saying, you know, "you're fired." I mean he likes to talk in these sort of tight language, like a - sort of the "Muslim ban," and "something's going on with President Obama," "something's going on with the country," or, "I don't know, you know, Second Amendment people could take some action," "I don't know, maybe they could." You know, this sort of language that he uses is not the language of professional politicians like Newt Gingrich was just suggesting. This is the language that Donald Trump kind of works in. It's sort of suggestive. It's somewhat - frankly somewhat dark and kind of a lot of insinuations.

HARLOW: But I will say, Patrick, it is part of what has drawn so many people to support him, that he does not sound like any other politician, past or present.

Patrick, thanks for being on.

HEALY: You're totally right.

HARLOW: Thank you.

HEALY: Great to be with you.

HARLOW: Coming up next, what Boris was saying we're not covering, we're covering. A top Hillary Clinton aide travels by train to New York. But the reason for her travel was a mystery until now. Brand-new details about the State Department's relationship with the Clinton Foundation and that woman, Cheryl Mills, at the center of all of it.

Also, at any moment, Donald Trump will speak live in the key state of Pennsylvania as a brand-new poll shows him trailing in four battleground states. We will bring you his remarks from Erie, next. You're watching CNN.

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