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Trump Names New Campaign Manager and Chief Executive; Lochte and Feigen Allegedly Robbed in Rio; U.S. Fed On Interest Rate Hike; "Options Open"; Fed Raised Rates Last December for First Time Since 2006; Adviser: Trump's Outsider Style is Appealing; Shelton: Governments Manipulate Exchange Rates; Uber Sues Over English Language Rules; European Markets Close Firmly in the Red; Clinton: Cut Taxes for Middle Class, Not Rich; Casino Mogul Won't Gamble on Clinton or Trump; Making the Jump from Bollywood to the West; Bollywood Film Industry Worth More than $2 Billion
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RICHARD QUEST, CNN ANCHOR: There you have the closing bell ringing, the gavel is about to be gaveled. Come along let's have a gavel. Oh, look
that. That's what you call a firm gavel. Trading has come to an end in New York. The Dow is marginally positive. A gained about 20 odd points.
And is Wednesday. It is the 17th of August.
Tonight, you're hired. Donald Trump picks a new campaign chief executive. We'll find out what it means for his campaign.
Hiking in September. The Fed says it's keeping its options open.
And rated in Rio. Europe's Olympic boss is arrested for allegations of ticket touting. The only thing I'm touting is the next hour of solid
business news. I'm Richard Quest. I mean business.
Good evening. A case of whatever it takes to win this election. That's what Donald Trump says is behind the latest major campaign shakeup that
comes three months before America votes and just two months after the last shakeup. Now, arriving in comes Steve Bannon as campaign chief executive.
The man has been called the most dangerous political operative in America. That's because he runs the influential right winged website "Breitbart
And as Donald Trump's poll numbers go down, Kellyanne Conway is getting a bump up to Trump campaign manager. She's a pollster. The campaign says
she'll help hone Trump's message. So the way in which this has all happened relatively late in the day, perhaps suggesting a hint of panic or
at least something worse. The changes have played out like a season of Trump's TV show "The Apprentice." So instead of "The Apprentice," we call
it "The Campaign."
Episode one of "The Campaign." Corey Lewandowski leads the team. His task is to win the primaries. The strategy, steamroll the Republican field.
That style also played out within the campaign. Fans of "The Apprentice," they know exactly how it ends for Corey Lewandowski.
Then onto the next one, new episode, new face. Paul Manafort. His task, transition from the primaries to the general election. The management
change didn't raise poll numbers or, indeed, get rid of the negative headlines. Relations between the chairman and his boss soured. Now, he
has escaped Lewandowski's firing fate for the moment. He remains in post.
But we do end up with episode three, Steve Bannon, win the election. Expect to bring back Lewandowsky's scorched election strategy. The three
men who have run the campaign, we need the help and guidance of our chief U.S. correspondent, John King in Washington. We have much to talk about,
John. First of all, an overview, to change policy, to change campaign managers, whatever we call them, chief execs, managers whatever, this late
in the day, is it unknown? Is it unusual? Is it a sign of panic?
JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF U.S. CORRESPONDENT: All of the above. It's known. It has happened in some past campaigns. You don't do this if you're
winning or you don't do this if you're giving up, Richard. This is a fascinating substantial change for Donald Trump. And you mentioned it was
only two months ago you brought in Paul Manafort. Now Paul Manafort has been shoved to the sidelines. He has not been fired, but he's been pushed
to the sidelines in the campaign. And the man he has brought in, Steve Bannen, as the CEO, is a very aggressive, a boxer, if you will. Someone
who's thrown not only hard punches at the Clintons but very hard punches at the Republican establishment. The very Republican establishment that says
Donald Trump's job at the moment is to unify the Republican party.
Well, they now have at the head of the Trump campaign a man who has treated the Speaker of the House, a Republican, the Senate majority leader, a
Republican, other Republican establishment figures as a pinata. What does that tell you? Expect a boxing Donald Trump, a pugilistic Donald Trump as
we head into the debate season. One more point, Richard. This show is about business. Neither Steve Bannon nor Kellyanne Conway have ever done
this before. Eighty-three days away from a U.S. presidential election and the top two new people in the Trump campaign have never done this before.
QUEST: And that was going to be exactly where I was going to. How significant is that, John? Look, it's a country of 300 million of people,
3,000 miles' coast to coast, north to south.
To win a U.S. election is as much about message but about logistics. It's about office, getting out the vote. These two people, Kellyanne Conway,
Steve Bannnon, they're just message people.
KING: Well, they're message people. But they are also people who will let Trump be Trump. We do know that one of Manafort's job was to try to get
Trump to a script. Get Trump to give speeches that were more in line with traditional Republican orthodoxy. Get Trump to stop picking fights with
Gold Star parents, or stop saying incredibly provocative things. Say some provocative things, but find the line if you will. Steve Bannon,
especially, is known as someone who prefers flame throwing. He prefers dustups, if you well, and keeping it rough-and-tumble.
To the point that this is so close to the election, you know we elect presidents of the United States state-by-state, Richard. There are eight
or 10 states that we view as sort of the knights and the bishops and the king and the queen of presidential chess. Donald Trump is not leading in
any one of those right now. If you take the eight or the ten top battleground states, every single one of them is advantage Hillary Clinton.
Does that mean Donald Trump cannot win? No. But does it mean he faces an incredibly steep hill? Yes.
So in turning to two people who have never done this before, look, you do this for a living. Some startups are from teenagers, or people just out of
college. Some of them succeed wildly off the charts when everybody laughs at the beginning. So Donald Trump has a chance. But as you also know most
of those startups, especially when the people at the top don't have any business experience, most of them fail.
QUEST: Right. Now with that in mind, exactly with that thought in mind, we can expect, you know, we can expect more sort of comments like second
amendment where he made those comments. More comments, maybe quite not Gold Star insults to veterans' families. But by putting these people in
and taking the shackles off Trump, we can expect more of those sort of incidents. And, John, from your sources, how horrified are the
traditionalists, the classicists in the Republican party, the chairman and co?
KING: Yes, those traditionalist as you call them, Richard, they view this as the first day of a new day in the Republican Party in the 2016 campaign.
Because they have told their candidate for House, their candidates for Senate, their candidates for governors, especially in those key
battleground states, run. You're on your own. Don't trust these people. Don't work with these people. These new Trump people are your enemies, not
your friends. That's remarkable. You have Republican leaders telling people in their own party, you cannot trust these people. They'll be
against you. They care only about themselves.
Therefore, if you are running for the Senate in the state of Ohio, or the state of Pennsylvania or the state of New Hampshire, you are on your own
Now, does that mean they can dump Donald Trump, Richard? There's a lot of debate in the party about, get all the financial people to say, never mind
Donald Trump, you can't have our money. We're going to give it to the House and the Senate Races. We.re going to put it over here, not in the
But there is a huge danger in that strategy. Because if Trump tanks, he'll take a lot of Republicans with him. They may not like him, they may not
want him, many of them despise him. But if he loses the state of Ohio by 10 points, Ron Portman can run a perfect campaign, Richard, he's going to
go to. So there is a risk in abandoning Trump even though the party establishment is furious at the moment.
QUEST: We are grateful, john, for your interpretation and analysis. Thank you, sir. Thank you for joining us.
KING: My pleasure.
QUEST: We'll be watching this very closely.
There are two legal dramas overshadowing the competition at the Rio Olympics. The first, a search and seizure warrant which have been issued
for two U.S. swimmers, Ryan Lochte and Jimmy Feigen. It follows their reported robbery. Now, the "Daily Mail" has released this video, which
appears to show the swimmers after the alleged robbery. The Brazilian judge in the case says, "Their physical and psychological integrities were
unshaken." In other words, I'm guessing the idea being they didn't look terribly upset by it all. Meanwhile Patrick Hickey president of the
European Olympic Committee is under arrest, extraordinary. He stands accusing of flogging Olympic tickets as part of a major scalping scheme.
We've got to correspondents covering this as only CNN can. CNN's Nick Paton Walsh and Shasta Darlington joins me from Rio. Nic, first of all,
the swimmers who are wanted. Is this effectively an arrest warrant? And where are the swimmers at the moment?
NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's basically saying you can't leave the country, we've got more questions for
you. Now, it doesn't really make any difference to Ryan Lochte, because he's back in the U.S. His lawyer says that was always the plan. Him
leaving before these warrants were issued and he that he's always cooperated with the FBI or the tourist police or anybody who is asked him
questions. Will do so again but hasn't actually been asked to give any more information.
Richard, let me wind back how we got to this. They left the club early Sunday morning, said they were held to the ground. Taken aside to the road
by men disguised as police officers who were armed. But then that video came out in which you can see. In the words of the judge, they look to
some degree unshaken.
And the police spokeswoman saying to me, look, Brazilians are asking, if you been a victim of an armed robbery why in that video do you still have
quite a few valuables? Like watches and phones and wallets, it looks like. So a lot of questions have been asked. But the key reason we've seen this
court thing come out now, is that we're seeing discrepancies, according to the judge, in their testimony.
The two men not entirely clear when they gave their accounts. How many armed robbers they faced? Who had weapons and whether they were taken by
surprise or not. That seems to be the nub of this really. Yes, there are politics in this. Because Brazil doesn't want the idea of men being
disguised as police officers being out there as potential robbers with a huge crowd here. But still, a lot of questions over this very prominent
swimmers Sunday night.
QUEST: Ok, so we'll come to you. Shasta, in just a moment. But finally, Nick, whichever way this finishes, it's embarrassing for somebody. If it
goes ahead, then it's embarrassing for the swimmers. If the authorities have to basically admit this was all a big mistake, it's more embarrassing
perhaps, for the Rio authorities. This doesn't end well one way or the other.
WALSH: No, and it's an extraordinary decision by them to put this warrant out smack in the middle of the Olympics again is one of the most high
profile athletes of the team currently leading the metals table. Yes, certainly it could all go away though. Mr. Lochte may choose not to give
further evidence. Mr. Feigen, who's also sought for his passport being seized, we don't know where he is. He could still be in Brazil. He might
be in the U.S. It may be that both sides have said their piece now and they may let it go. Or we may see more disclosures, who knows.
QUEST: Nick Paton Walsh, we'll be watching this. Carry-on watching for us, sir, thank you.
Now to Shasta. Shasta, flogging tickets, the head of the Irish and the head of European authority for the Olympic Council, there's 50 members of
the European Council for the Olympics, has been arrested. Apparently he was naked in his hotel rhyme after his wife said he had already gone home.
It's a very strange business.
SHASTA DARLINGTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It definitely is, Richard. This is part of Brazil's crackdown on scalping. These aren't the first arrests
they've made. So Joseph Hickey from Ireland, a member of the International Olympic Committee arrested allegedly involved in scalping some 1,000
tickets. And all of this at a time when actually there's been a lock of talk about how that they haven't really been selling enough tickets.
So as you said, pretty odd that they were selling this at inflated prices. And yet when you look at some of these stadiums, you'll see that a lot of
the seats are empty. So a lot of questions to be answered here. But it does show that Brazil has been taking this very seriously. You had the
other arrest toward the beginning of the games when an international citizen and Brazilian were arrested involved in scalping. And we may see
more as the games wind down. Some of the very high-priced final competitions are going on, and those, of course, do tend to get a higher
price there, Richard.
QUEST: Thank you, Shasta Darlington, who is in Rio. Nick Paton Walsh is there, the two scandals of the day. We'll keep you informed on both of
When we return, the Fed minutes came out. If you look at the way the market reacted, just look at that. You can see just at 2:00 suddenly it
goes positive. Not a huge amount of gains, but does show that a negative feeling evaporated. After the break, Heather Long is going explain the
motive behind it. QUEST MEANS BUSINESS.
QUEST: Now to the economics of the day. The Dow Jones closed slightly higher. It was up 21 points, but really the closing number doesn't really
tell the whole story. You have to look at how the graph moves around the course of the section. By 12:00 the market was down, not heavily, but it
was down. Those gains reversed after the Fed minutes came out. The NASDAQ was flat. And oil, which also edged closer to $47 a barrel probably also
the reason why we saw the Dow and the markets moving higher.
On the economic front, the Fed is signaling an interest rate hike. It could come sooner rather than later. Some would say there's a dispute and
disagreement. Heather Long will put it into perspective. The minutes of July have just been published. There's no consensus as to the timing of an
increase, but the general agreement is more data is needed before making a move. Now these quotes from the minutes. "Members judged it inappropriate
to continue to leave their policy open." Heather Long is CNNMoney's Senior writer. What does that mean?
HEATHER LONG, CNNMONEY SENIOR WRITER: Yes, to try and translate what the Fed is saying there, they have a boy who cried Wolf problem, right? In the
last 12 months they have said so many times, we might do it, we might do it at our next meeting, raise rates. And then they've only done it, what,
once in December of last year. And so the problem is the market doesn't believe they're going to raise the rates. They don't believe they're going
to raise them in September. They don't think they're going to raise them in November. And there only pricing in a 50-50 chance in December.
QUEST: But earlier in the year there have been valid reasons why people have discounted a rate rise, brags it, China, I weak set of employment
numbers earlier this year. Those have now gone. So why should people not believe the Fed will move?
LONG: The key reason is, you have to ask yourself. So in these minutes we see a few more people saying they think they're ready. Some say there was
a split decision maybe in July, more people dissenting than what we realized. However, you have to ask yourself, there's only one more month
of data before the September meeting. What more are we going to learn in August that we don't already know? We're going to get one more jobs report
and maybe another look at consumer sentiment, another look at retail spending. We're just not going to get a whole lot more data from this data
-dependent Federal Reserve.
QUEST: And the political question for a September hike would be very tricky indeed.
QUEST: I know they say that they're data dependent, well there also political realists.
LONG: I think you're exactly right. I think anybody in the United States may remember that President George HW Bush always blames Alan Greenspan for
raising rates before the election, and meaning George HW Bush did not get a second term. Bill Clinton won that year. I think despite what they're
saying, Janet Yellen does not want to be accused of rigging this election.
QUEST: Taking what the Fed says and with your extensive reading on the subject from what private economists are saying, is it the view of the
street that, not the wish, but the view of the street that actually a rate rise is probably called for?
LONG: Yes, yes, I definitely hear that. They think the Fed made a mistake in not raising rates, maybe even going back as far as September of last
year. If you look at it, what is the Fed's goal? The Fed's goal is get most people employed and keeping prices and inflation stable. We are
pretty darn close to that right now. Rates should not be this low. We're basically have these rates in a moment where it looks like we're in a
crisis. We're not in a crisis anymore in the United States.
QUEST: Good to see you, excellent.
Donald Trump's stance on the Fed and trade once helped to give them an edge with voters on economic issues. Now over the last three weeks, as you've
heard on this program, that lead has slipped away. And now Donald Trump is counting on his new campaign leaders to shore up the numbers. His economic
policies are well known and they're controversial. I spoke to Dr. Judy Shelton, a member of Trump's economic advisory council. In the wake of the
overhaul announced today, I asked her for her view from inside the campaign.
JUDY SHELTON, TRUMP ECONOMIC ADVISOR: Compared to the very smooth operations of many Washington politicians, it does not look so perfectly
But I personally think that's a lot of the appeal for Donald Trump, that he doesn't look like he's been prepared and taught how to make the right
gestures and speak in perfectly modulated tones and perfectly calculated platitudes. So I suppose his intuition is driving this to a great degree,
but it seems to be working for him.
QUEST: Let's talk about economics. Let's get to it. Now, even accepting that the existing trade agreements are not necessarily fairly balanced or
working to the best advantage, the critics say that Trump trade agenda is dangerous, would lead to protectionism, and worst of all, will not serve to
raise living standards in the United States.
SHELTON: What I commend Donald Trump for is for listening and legitimizing the complaints of people who have been affected by currency manipulation
and saying we have to start somewhere. And if trying to define currency manipulation and how you apply it and whether or not a country is violating
some set of rules, that could be the catalyst for this broader monetary reform that I think we need to be thinking about.
QUEST: The view that somehow by doing this you're going to attract back to the United States, manufacturing jobs, which have gone overseas because of
a lower cost base, I mean you know as well as I do, this is economically unrealistic, it's not going happen, and if it did happen, then it would
depress wages in the U.S., not raise them.
SHELTON: Well, you can't homogenize everything. You conditioned homogenize the cost of labor or labor standards or environmental standards,
but an international monetary system is a manmade tool. And I don't think we should go on accepting a situation where countries are allowed to abuse
that particular privilege. Let's start with that. And if we can move to stable exchange rates, I think that begins to set the foundation for free
trade in accordance with the virtues that we've all been taught should deride from that.
QUEST: When I hear stable exchange rates, I start to hear alarm bells of managed exchange rates, which is not a million miles away, Doctor, from
some form of Louvre, Plaza Accords. You know as well as I do, they failed.
SHELTON: Well, when you have governments meeting secretly to try to move exchange rates, that's the worst of all worlds. And were in that situation
now. That's not really what I'm talking about. We need another Bretton Woods or at least we need to be thinking in terms of a neutral reference
point, a global unit of account. I mean something like a gold standard even, updated to reflect a digital world and fast moving financial flows.
But I think the problem with what we have currently is it encourages this financialization of the global economy. We have lots of people trading
financial assets and currencies and derivatives on differential interest rates between the European Central Bank and the Fed instead of what I would
call productive economic activity. And so I'm hoping that Mr. Trump's focus will help us to reconnect financial markets to the real economy.
QUEST: And you can guarantee that we will continue to follow the closeness of the race. We have some news in to CNN. Cisco says it will slash up to
5,500 jobs, which is 7 percent of the work-force. The company will use the savings to invest in areas like internet of things, IOT, and cloud
computing, or at least one arguably one says it will put more money into those things.
Uber drivers in London have the cars and the technology and now they have a potential roadblock. The King's English or indeed even the Queen's
English. All drivers will have to pass an English test to be allowed behind the wheel. And now the online taxi service is taking matters to Her
Majesty's Court. Samuel Burke, is following the story and joins me now. Samuel, we've covered this to some extent last week with Garrett Emerson.
We'll hear from him in a moment. But now Uber has gone one stage further, why?
SAMUEL BURKE, CNNMONEY TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: Uber says this is very much a tool of last resort. And Uber points out, Richard, that only 0.5
percent of all the complaints they receive have to do with poor English.
But I think if we really want to get to the heart of the matter, Richard, we have to talk about old versus new. When you're using the Uber app, it's
replacing so much of what used to be done using language. The app shows where the driver is. The map shows where the passenger is. So before
where you used to have to speak in English or whatever language, so much of that is done through the technology. And that's why Uber doesn't feel that
it should be held to the standards that the traditional taxicab drivers are held in London.
QUEST: Samuel, young Samuel, listen to Garrett Emmerson from Transport for London, on this program last week. He said it's more than directions.
It's also about understanding rules, regulations, and the various points. Have a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GARRETT EMMERSON, COO, TRANSPORT FOR LONDON: It's about being able to engage with ourselves as a regulator, understand the regulations and
requirements, respond to directions that we from time to time may issue and to understand the law as it applies to private hired driving in London.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
QUEST: Since this will apply to everybody, for all private hire company, this is not just an attack on Uber.
BURKE: Yes, it's an attack on all the different types of companies they're going after this. But they're quick to point out, Richard, that they do
have to go through lots of regulation. Uber points out, listen, we have to get driver's license, on the other hand, we have to do background checks.
Their drivers even have to do topographical checks. I assume your topography skill are better than mine, Richard. The medical assessment
test and now on top of that, the license.
What we feel -- what we hear from the technology community here in the U.K., especially after the Brexit vote, Richard, is that they feel that
they're under a lot of pressure. And Sadiq Khan, the new mayor of London has the "London is Open" campaign. Business leaders called out in the
"Financial Times" say it doesn't feel like London is open when they're putting more and more regulation on new and changing technology.
QUEST: Right, but the argument against, of course, is that it's a straightforward protectionist move. One assumes Transport for London
doesn't want to destroy a budgeting business. They say it's because -- the critics say it's an attack to protect the black cab business. Is that
BURKE: Well, there is some sense of that. You have to remember not long ago there was a proposed regulation here in London that said you'd have to
register your Uber drive ahead of time, which runs totally counter intuitive to what the technology industry has done here. There are were so
many people up in arms about that. They felt like the government here, the local government was just trying to help the traditional drivers. So many
people signed that petition that they were able to bring those regulations back. So there is a sense of supporting the old guard versus the new
younger technology guard.
QUEST: I hope you're not drawing any comparisons, young man, about QUEST MEANS BUSINESS between young and the old. That's more than enough from you
BURKE: Can I get that bell from you?
QUEST: No you can't. You haven't qualified. You haven't taken the necessary test.
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As we continue the European markets tumbled into the red on Wednesday. Investors were waiting to what the Fed minutes. Have a look at the numbers
and you can see all the downward losses were in Germany. The FTSE was down despite a U.K. jobs report that showed steady numbers. The number of
people claiming unemployment benefits actually fell, whereas people were expecting an increase following Brexit. My feeling putting guess on that
is it's probably too soon.
QUEST MEANS BUSINESS continues this evening with you. Hillary Clinton is talking taxes and she says she will not give tax breaks, unlike, as she
claims, Donald Trump.
QUEST: Hello, I'm Richard Quest. There is more QUEST MEANS BUSINESS in just a moment. When Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are both friends with
the billionaire casino owner Steve Wynn. And now Mr. Wynn tells CNN he's not going to back either of them. He'll explain his position.
And Bollywood is dancing its way West all the way to this studio. Two of the biggest stars will join me. They brought a troupe of dancers, and if
you're very lucky and you tweet me first, you may see a little bit of shimmying going on, shimmying in pinstripes. For all of that, and before
the decorum completely disappears. This is CNN and here the news always comes first.
Search and seizure warrants have been issued in Brazil for the U.S. swimmers, Ryan Lochte and James Feigen. Video has emerged that appears to
show the men after they suffered an alleged robbery in Rio. The Brazilian judge in the case says they were, quote, unshaken, making jokes amongst
Patrick Hickey, the president of the European Olympic Committee is under arrest in Rio accused of selling tickets as part of a major scalping
scheme. Brazilian police have also issued four other arrest warrants.
Mexican police have narrowed the search for the son of the drug lord, Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, who was kidnapped on Monday. Jesus Alfredo
Guzman was one of six people to be abducted. And like his father, he's thought to be involved with the Sinaloa drug cartel. The rival gang is
believed to be behind the kidnapping.
A senior North Korean diplomat has defected, according to a South Korean official. The man is identified as Thae Yong Ho, North Korea's second
highest ranked diplomat. It's embassy in the United Kingdom. According to Seoul, he and his family are now under the protection of the South Korean
The milestone for Donald Trump's presidential campaign, sources say the Republican nominee is getting a classified briefing on U.S. national
security. Some Democrats had urged against it arguing that Donald Trump wouldn't handle the information responsibly.
U.S. presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is bashing Donald Trump's tax plan calling it a tax cut for the rich. Speaking in Cleveland, Ohio, she
said she wants to cut income taxes for the middle class and that's in stark contrast, she believes, to her opponent's ideas.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HILLARY CLINTON, U.S. DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He's even created a new tax loophole that we call the Trump loophole, because it's really
good for Trump. It would let millionaires and billionaires cut their tax rate in half on a lot of their income. Under his plans, Donald Trump would
pay a lower tax rate than middle-class families.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
Joining us now is CNN's Joe Johns. Joe is live in Cleveland. Joe, we've heard -- I mean it's only a week ago that Mrs. Clinton made an economic
address, and now there's this tax plan.
So what's behind this? Because her plan is fairly well known.
JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Her plan is fairly well known. Donald Trump also revised his in Detroit as well. The fact of the
matter is what Hillary Clinton is doing here essentially is trying to use taxes to point out to people, who she'd like to vote for her, that she
believes Donald Trump is out for himself. One example of that is this reference to the family of Donald Trump getting a $4 billion tax benefit.
What she's referring to is what she says would happen if estate taxes were abolished in the United States, which is an old argument.
Republicans have supported that for a long time, but she's got a new twist on it. She's pointing out how it would affect Donald Trump. Of course,
he's made a lot of money. She hopes that matters to her voters. She's also using this tax argument, of course, to argue that Donald Trump needs
to release his tax returns so that people can see how much money he's actually made.
QUEST: On the question of the leadership changes at the top of Mr. Trump's campaign, she basically fired back that it doesn't really matter.
JOHNS: Right. She did fire back. And essentially what she is saying is no matter what Donald Trump does, no matter who he hires or fires, it's
still going to be the same old Donald Trump. Now, that's a bit different from what the campaign manager Robby Mook said in a conference call earlier
today. He essentially suggested that Donald Trump was doubling down, moving further to the right. Of course, the fact of the matter is Donald
Trump has said, even if he moved to the middle, he certainly would have been attacked for that too.
QUEST: Finally, Joe, I do want to just refer briefly. I've seen a lot of reports in newspapers, you know, that one side or the other is questioning
the other side's health. Did Mrs. Clinton look in good health today?
JOHNS: She certainly did not look in bad health. Of course, her energy comes and goes, perhaps depending on how long the day is. But last night
they did respond with some force on that issue. They said she'd put out all of her medical records. She also said Donald Trump was essentially
buying into conspiracy theories by questioning her health. And then she sort of turned it around into an issue of transparency. Went back to the
issue of Donald Trump needing to release his tax returns.
QUEST: Joe, you've got many more miles on the road and we look forward to talking to you as you cover them, thank you, sir.
Now Steve Wynn has made billions from the casino industry. An industry Donald Trump knows a lot about. And yet he hasn't given a dime to either
candidate for the White House. The U.S. businessman will tell us why he doesn't favor either after the break. QUEST MEANS BUSINESS.
QUEST: Casino billionaire, Steve Wynn claims that Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are both friends of his, yet both campaigns for the White House are
awash with fairy tales and clap trap and hot air, I suspect it would have been even stronger language if it wasn't on television. Mr. Wynn says he
has not donated to either side and told Mallika Kapur at this stage picking a side is a gamble too far.
MALLIKA KAPUR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: President Trump or President Clinton?
STEVE WYNN, CASINO MOGUL: They're both intelligent. I'm a friendly with Bill and Hillary and I'm a friend of Donald Trump, and I haven't given a
dime to either one of them. I haven't decided who I am going to vote for because I'm waiting for someone to have a responsible conversation and
address the issues that affect the American people. It hasn't happened yet.
Oh, they're making all kinds of promises. Free education, free this, free that. The question is America so naive, so gullible as to believe a fairy
tale that both of these parties are dishing up? There's got to be an adult in the room sooner or later and Bill and Hillary Clinton are both smart
people. Donald Trump is no dope. He's a smart guy. But our process seems to promote this kind of foolishness, this kind of populist rhetoric, this
clap trap of hot air.
KAPUR: Is that what's disappointing you this time? Just the rhetoric around it and just in a way how much of a circus it's become?
WYNN: It certainly is all of that, but on the larger sense, this is not a problem of the moment. It's been going on a while.
WYNN: This thing is a snow ball. Trump is a character. He's married to a lovely woman, Melania. He's lucky to have her. She's a lovely beautiful
woman. He's done a good job with his kids. He's a character, probably the likes of what we haven't seen before, but he's accomplished some amazing
Bill Clinton is one of the most charming men you've ever met. Hillary is a highly motivated very intelligent woman, more of an ideologue than her
husband. Any one of these people has the capacity of doing something really intelligent and positive, but for some reason the campaign doesn't
allow that to emerge.
KAPUR: To come through.
WYNN: No, not yet. And I'm hoping that when we get to the debates --
WYNN: -- we may really get a substantive exchange, and that's when I'll decide who I'm going to vote for.
QUEST: Steve Wynn with Mallika Kapur. As we continue tonight we're going go in a completely different direction, a bit like Bollywood itself.
Bollywood has decided it's going to the west. We'll be shimmying and doing all sorts of things and we have two of the largest stars in the business.
Come and join me. We'll shimmy as we go.
QUEST: Now with the summer blockbuster season winding down we'll see fewer movies with explosions and aliens but you may see something far more
interesting more adventurous offerings in their place. One film hoping to make an impact. As well as making the long jump from Bollywood going to
the west is going to be released this week.
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QUEST: If that doesn't get the juices going, nothing will. It's a movie called "Baar Baar Dekho", "Look and Look again". The producers hope the
time traveling love story appeals to more than just the audience in India. It includes some English dialogues, stars of British born actress, and was
partly filmed in Scotland, which even with my limited knowledge of geography is a long way from Bollywood.
Joining me now are two of the stars from the film. We are delighted to have you Katrina Kaif and Sidhartha Malhotra. Good to see you. Thank you.
Now, look. This particular movie, tell me what it's about.
KATRINA KAIF, BOLLYWOOD ACTRESS: Oh, my gosh, that's tough. In a sentence. It's a love story about what is hopefully going to remind us all
it's the little things in life that count, the small moments that add up to the end of the relationship.
SIDHARTHA MALHOTRA, BOLLYWOOD ACTOR: It's a fictitious story done in a real way. It's like what if you could see the future of your love story.
QUEST: But as being Bollywood it must have an enormous amount of everything plus the kitchen sink as well.
KAIF: That's right. You need everything and that's what relationships are like.
MALHOTRA: It binds the story together with a nice message. It's new age Bollywood. It's not us going backward.
QUEST: What is new age Bollywood?
MALHOTRA: Bollywood is a concept. It's a story where we would use narratives that are far more -- with better writing just to put it in. I
think initially it was all about male heroes and heroines coming together. Here I think it's more about having a concept.
QUEST: As long as I remember, we covered the story of potentially Bollywood translating to western cinema or becoming more visible in the
west. Is this the crossover movie?
KAIF: No. A crossover movie to me sounds like an attempt to kind of, you know, reach two audiences. I think in this film our director was very
clear that is a Hindi film, it was made for Hindi audiences and it's a very authentic movie. I think those movies actually usually will have a better
chance of appealing to other audiences.
QUEST: So when you bring a movie like this to the west and you're both here and promoting it to some extent and the Bollywood movie industry,
what's the goal of it then coming here, coming to the west?
MALHOTRA: I think it is just to bring out awareness, the population of Bollywood viewing.
QUEST: But we know that Bollywood is huge and the numbers are vast and both of you are absolutely giant stars in India. You have some ridiculous
number of twitter followers that we're following.
KAIF: You know, when we come here because the movie releases here, it releases in cinemas here in America, us being on the show, there are so
many Indians, so many fans of Hindi cinema, who will be watching perhaps the show and that's just going to gain awareness for the fact that it is
releasing on September 9th in cinemas in America as well.
QUEST: The date and where you can see it.
MALHOTRA: Nine September, yes.
QUEST: Thank you very much. We'll charge you for that. It's called advertising.
QUEST: Do you believe there can be a moment when Bollywood creates movies which are -- which appeal within a traditional western environment?
Obviously not necessarily in English in that sense, but it creates a movie that's translatable?
KAIF: Absolutely. I think in a way it did with Lagaan a few years ago. If you remember that film a few years ago. I think that was a movie that
got a huge audience. I think the more authentic of our stories are to India, those films have a larger chance of appealing in the west.
MALHOTRA: Also, we have such a large audience back home. So we don't want to alienate them and make special content for the West. Although that
happens. There are smaller films we made in English in Bollywood.
But I think one subject which would appeal to both India and the west, I think would be. It's a bit far-fetched but nobody's talked about a film
that would appeal to both. Baar Baar Dekho, it's a film that has a narrative which would be understood both by the west and by people back
QUEST: Maybe an unfair question to both of you.
QUEST: But I'm going to ask it anyway.
KAIF: Why not.
QUEST: Do you have Hollywood ambitions?
MALHOTRA: Me, I think --
QUEST: Because you're both huge stars in your own market.
MALHOTRA: Exactly. So why would we want to leave our own hometowns nad our work and to come here?
QUEST: You know the answer to that. This is a business show.
MALHOTRA: Never say never but I think it is very difficult for men to transfer to the other side because just the way back home we have people
who are slightly more loyal to us. And enjoy our films, it's the same back here. People don't want to see people from different countries to play
main leads, especially I feel.
KAIF: For me it's not about the industry. I have acting ambitions and being in movie ambitions. That's my passion. The language to me is not so
important. I've done movies in south Indian languages and Hindi. If there was a good film which did not require me to lose who I am, yes.
QUEST: We're going to show you some of the moves in just a moment.
MALHOTRA: All right.
QUEST: I assure you my dignity went out the window. We'll show some of the moves in a second. I was in Mumbai earlier with business traveler and
I had to learn how to do all this shimmying to become a Bollywood star.
QUEST: Shiamak Davar is the guru of contemporary dance in India. He's taking century-old moves and giving them a modern twist.
SHIAMAK DAVAR, BOLLYWOOD CHOREOGRAPHER: Yes. Do that one. Do that one.
QUEST: Do it again.
DAVAR: I say all these --
QUEST: This is very good.
DAVAR: The Indian essence is the same. It's the kind of hook step. Like suppose it is this step or it's a himachali step or whatever step it is.
The hooks will always remain the same because that's what the people on the road want to see. They want to do that step. They want to do that step.
DAVAR: It's like you move -- just move your pelvic.
QUEST: It's going to get worse before we're finished, I have a nasty feeling about this. I'm not very traditional.
DAVAR: I'm very, very Bollywood. Extremely Bollywood. This is also like a shimmy. Of course, you know what the shimmy is.
QUEST: I do. But not with my bad back. Dancing is best left to the professionals. And the professionals are here. It's the Bollywood dancing
troupe. I promise you whether it's light bulbs or shimmying, there will be none of it from me. Take it away.
QUEST: Quite exhausting all that Bollywood-ing around. Tonight's Profitable Moment, so the transport for London wants private car drivers
like Uber to take an English test. And, yes, some claim it is too severe, it's two hours long, and there's a variety of things they have to do.
As I say in my newsletter tonight in my QUEST MEANS BUSINESS letter profitable moment, what's wrong with raising standards? Oh, yes, I can
understand standards may be raised too high or maybe it's too onerous, but at the end of the day, what seems to be happening here is that TFL has come
up with a new standard or a standard they wish to enforce.
And because it's a bit onerous for others, well, they've decided it's all not going to happen or at least there's a big protest or there's going to
be litigation. Read about it in the newsletter. I'm not necessarily taking sides, but I do have the point of view there's nothing wrong with
trying to maintain standards. If that means ruffling a few feathers, then that's the price you have to pay.
That's QUEST MEANS BUSINESS for tonight. I'm Richard Quest. Rejuvenated. Whatever you're up to in the hours ahead, I do hope it's profitable.