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Brazilian Police Pull Two U.S. Swimmers Off Plane; New Campaign Manager Will Let Trump Be Trump; Clinton to Meet with Law Enforcement Officials. Aired 9-9:30a ET

Aired August 18, 2016 - 09:00   ET

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[09:00:36] CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Happening now in the NEWSROOM, yanked from their flight home. Ryan Lochte's teammates detained in Rio. Questioned about what really happened the night they say they were held up.

Plus, amping up Trump.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Make America great again. Greater than ever before.

COSTELLO: His new team embracing his brash style.

KELLYANNE CONWAY, TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER: We're going to make sure Donald Trump is comfortable about being in his own skin.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think it's fair to say that Donald Trump has shown us who he is. There is no new Donald Trump. This is it.

COSTELLO: Let's talk, live in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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COSTELLO: And good morning, I'm Carol Costello, thank you so much for joining me.

The controversy in Rio over armed robbery claims made by U.S. swimmer Ryan Lochte and three of his teammates is growing. Brazilian authorities honing in on what they say are inconsistencies in some of the athletes' statements. This morning two of Lochte's teammates were pulled off their plane in order to stay in Brazil until they speak to authorities. Something the U.S. Olympic Committee says they along with a third swimming will do today.

Lochte is already back in the United States, but now even his story is under scrutiny. NBC Matt Lauer describing his latest conversation with the swimmer.

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MATT LAUER, ANCHOR, "TODAY" SHOW: When he talked to me the night, he said that's when the guy pointed the gun in my direction and cocked it. And I pointedly said to him, you had said before it was placed on your forehead and cocked. He said no, that's not exactly what happened. And I think he feels it was more of a traumatic mischaracterization. I think people listening at home might feel that was embellishment at the time.

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COSTELLO: So, like, what did happen? Let's head live to Rio for the latest on this story. Nick Paton Walsh is there.

Hi, Nick.

NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Carol, quite remarkable. You know not particularly uncommon scene sadly here in Rio people leaving a nightclub in the early hours Sunday morning find themselves robbed at gun point. That does sadly happen here, but the inconsistencies, the fact that Brazil has been keen to try and suggest the city is as safe as possible, have led it to spiral into this remarkable international incident.

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WALSH (voice-over): American swimmers Jack Conger and Gunnar Bentz pulled off their plane and ordered not to leave Rio. The Olympic duo detained after a Brazilian judge ordered them to give official statements because of discrepancies in their claims that they were robbed at gunpoint on Sunday night, along with teammates James Feigen and 12-time medalist Ryan Lochte. Just hours after the alleged incident, Lochte told NBC News --

RYAN LOCHTE, OLYMPIC MEDALIST: They told the other swimmers to get down on the ground. They got down on the ground. I refused. I was like, we didn't do anything wrong. So I'm not getting down on the ground, and this guy pulled out his gun. He cocked it, put it to my forehead, and said get down. And I was like, I put my hands up. I was like whatever. He took our money. He took my wallet.

WALSH: Lochte is now back in the U.S., unlike his teammates, now conceding to NBC last night that his initial statement was a traumatic mischaracterization of what happened.

The surveillance video obtained by "The Daily Mail" shows the swimmers returning to the Olympic Village just before 7:00 a.m. on Sunday morning. The judge says it shows them seemingly unshaken and joking around after the alleged robbery.

Lochte's lawyer tells CNN, "That video shows me nothing. It shows guys coming home at 6:00 or 7:00 in the morning and shows me they're happy that they're alive."

Among the inconsistencies, the judge says, Lochte told police there was one robber while Feigen says there were more. Brazilian police are now asking their taxi driver to come forward to verify their claims.

(END VIDEOTAPE) WALSH: Now some of the things the people have been looking at here involve suspicions many Brazilian had like police spokeswoman that how come you emerged from an armed robbery with so many high valued items on you. As you see them push through the security screen in there as they get home at 7:00 in the morning.

The other question, too, to be answered, the judge in her extraordinary search and seizure order, talks about how they've left the nightclub at 4:00 a.m., yet the tourist police chief says 5:45, everyone seems agrees they got home at 7:00. So we're talking about either a three or a one hour window in which these events have to be nailed down precisely.

[09:05:03] But still the remarkable fact of a high-profile swimmer receiving a warrant from a court and two of his colleagues being taken off the plane before it flies them home. Extraordinary scenes here at the end of the Olympics -- Carol.

COSTELLO: Well, the strangest thing, why would they lie about something like that?

WALSH: Well, no one is suggesting necessarily they're lying at the moment. You know, there are many things that can happen in a city like this in the very late hours of Saturday. But at this point I think we're all talking about confusion. We are potentially talking about the victims of an armed robbery here, but there are these inconsistencies that have led some Brazilians to question the veracity of the whole report, the judge in particular.

And crime here is a sensitive issue. It afflicts many daily lives. And I think the notion that these were armed robbers disguised as police has got many very, very keen to exactly what happened there, who's the bedrock of security for the Olympic Games. You can't trust people in uniform, well, what can you do, Carol.

COSTELLO: Nick Paton Walsh, reporting live for us from Rio. Thank you.

All right, on to politics, Donald Trump on the road with a vengeance. He's holding his first campaign event since rebuilding the top of his campaign and sidelining his voice of restraint, Paul Manafort. Kellyanne Conway and Steve Bannon will fly a new flag, let Trump be Trump. Just a couple of hours ago, Conway spoke about the return to bare-knuckle basics.

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CONWAY: Let everyone gets the benefit of his leadership. You know, he scores very well in strong leader. And that's what so many Americans are starving for. And when he delivers a speech in his own words, in his own delivery system, then people can actually focus on the content. I think that's what so important. If we're going to cover campaigns as, you know, comedy show, or who (INAUDIBLE) to that day, no content no, substance, I think we're doing a disservice to the voters.

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COSTELLO: Sara Murray has more on this. Good morning.

SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICS CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Carol. Well, look, we know that Donald Trump made these changes because he was frustrated with the state of the race. He wanted a new direction for his campaign. He was lagging in the polls. He was frustrated with the leaks coming out of his campaign and that's why we saw him bring on Steve Bannon. That's why we're seeing the rise of Kellyanne Conway. And a big part of this is making sure that the candidate is a happy warrior, making sure he's comfortable on the campaign trail.

Take a listen to how Kellyanne describes her philosophy behind letting Donald Trump get back to being Donald Trump.

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CONWAY: I think we're going to sharpen the message and we're going to make sure Donald Trump is comfortable about being in his own skin, that he doesn't lose that authenticity, that you simply can't buy and a pollster can't give you. Voters know if you're comfortable in your own skin. And let him be him in this sense. He wants to deliver a speech. If he wants to go to a rally, if he wants to connect with the crowd in a way that's very spontaneous, that's wonderful. And that's how he got here. That's how he became the nominee in large part, Alisyn.

But at the same time, we have some really serious pressing problems in this country, that I'm hoping will start to be addressed more by the media. He's going to give these policy speeches, and I'm thrilled that we've gotten so much coverage this week just in the first two speeches. You'll see more of those next week, there's immigration week, followed by education week, and we're really excited about that.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Pundits are not as thrilled with the choice of Steve Bannon as the new CEO of the campaign. He is known as a street fighter, he has been the head of Breitbart, that right-wing news outlet. Are you comfortable with Steve Bannon's style?

CONWAY: I'm extremely comfortable with Steve Bannon as a campaign. I thought it was a masterful choice to quote other people. You know, Donald Trump in the press release and his comments to the press described us as people who want to win and I think we're going to leave everything on the field. You deserve nothing else.

There are millions of people who are relying upon a true choice, a true change election. They need to see the contrast. We want to take the message, Alisyn, directly to the voters. I mean, a huge proponent in the ground game in building a campaign from the bottom up, in the retail politicking, and the data operation, and Steve also, you know, he is a big strategic thinker. And I think folks are going to cherry- pick anything somebody said or anything somebody did, but he is a very -- he's a brilliant tactical mind. And look, the bottom line is, the candidate has to trust his advisers and we feel like we have the trust of the leader here.

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MURRAY: So this is the challenge for these new set of Trump advisers. Can you let Donald Trump tell it like it is, be this blunt personality that brought so many voters in, but can you also just direct him a little bit? Can you get him to stay on the issues, to talk about education, to talk about immigration? They're going to try to walk this line again today. Donald Trump is going to be campaigning in North Carolina, a pivotal battleground state. And we are expecting him to deliver prepared remarks so we will see how it goes. That's the new --

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COSTELLO: Prepared remarks, will he be on prompter or not?

MURRAY: I think that prepared remarks usually means he is on prompter. They tend to try to not say that ahead of time because it's Trump. So maybe prepared remarks means he'll read some portions, and rip some portions. Like they said, they want Donald Trump to be able to make the call, what I feel like doing in this given moment, but still drive a message.

[09:10:04] COSTELLO: Interesting. Sara Murray, thanks so much.

So let's talk about this. I'm joined by CNN political commentator and Donald Trump supporter Scottie Nell Hughes, along with the columnist for the "Daily Beast" Patricia Murphy.

Welcome to both of you.

Patricia, Kellyanne Conway is clearly professional. She's organized. She was able to articulate Trump's vision. She's not combative. Is she the best thing to happen to Trump's campaign so far?

PATRICIA MURPHY, COLUMNIST, "DAILY BEAST": Yes, she is. Absolutely. Just watching her in that interview on CNN earlier this morning, she is just masterful. If she were the candidate, I think that the Democrats would have a lot to worry about. She is so talented at focusing a message, at I think hitting Democrats without making it feel like a really ugly attack, and she's also very focused, very professional. We all know her. She is extremely responsive. And she has a whole lot of campaign experience. Polling, getting people on the ground. So she is exactly what this campaign needs.

I think the big question is going to be how much of her advice does Donald Trump take, and how much of her voice is going to break through between Roger Ailes, Steve Bannon, Paul Manafort, Corey Lewandowski, there's just other voices, multiple voices in that room, how much of an effect can she have but she is a great choice so far.

COSTELLO: Right. Right. And that's my question to you, Scottie. On one hand, you have Kellyanne Conway and then there's Steve Bannon, who is a street fighter, who's been described by some conservatives who work for him at Breitbart as one of the worst people on God's green earth. And that was from Dana Loesch, who's no shrinking violet herself. So how can Kellyanne and Steve work together peacefully? SCOTTIE NELL HUGHES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, I think they

already have. They have a proven track record within the conservative movement of strong activism and have accomplished a lot. But let's not -- let's not sit here and make Steve Bannon to be some like renegade, rouge, uneducated. He's probably one of the most educated staff members on both the Hillary Clinton camp as well as the Donald Trump camp. He was an officer in the United States Navy. He has an MBA from Harvard. He has a national security masters from Georgetown.

He is very well trained. He's taken a Web site. He was good friends with Andrew Breitbart, who was beloved, like Ronald Reagan, within the conservative movement. And he has the 12th largest political Web site. I think it's eighth now. He has done phenomenal things. And so what people are more upset about is kind of the same things that Donald Trump is. It's about the word. It's not necessarily about what he is saying, the content of what he is saying. It's how they're phrased.

COSTELLO: Right.

HUGHES: Make no mark, Steve Bannon right now, the Hillary Clinton campaign woke up and realize that Steve Bannon and the team that he already has they're probably pretty scared right now because I guarantee that team has already unearthed a lot of skeletons, and if there are any left, I guarantee now they will come out in the last 90 days.

COSTELLO: OK, so, here's -- Patricia, here is why I asked that question. Because of something Kellyanne actually said on "NEW DAY" this morning. And she said it about Clinton supporter, Senator Elizabeth Warren, who has called Mr. Trump thin-skinned and a small insecure money grubber. Listen to Kellyanne.

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CONWAY: I don't think like a lot of the rhetoric frankly but because partly yes, it is the mother in me, but partly, because I am tough in politics, Alisyn, and partly it's because it does a disservice to the voters.

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COSTELLO: And so, Patricia, if she thinks Senator Warren is doing a disservice to the voters for calling Mr. Trump names, how can she -- how can she accept Trump being Trump, because he is pretty adept at doing that?

MURPHY: Well, I think the challenge in front of her that she knows very well, and she's even said that she doesn't like a lot of the language that Trump himself has used. She is looking to focus his attacks on Democrats and on Hillary Clinton. And nobody is debating whether or not Steve Bannon has an education. I think we all know that. The question is about his most immediate past. He has made an entire career out of working to destabilize and debilitate the Republican establishment. He has come out, he has worked actively to unseat John Boehner, to

depose Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnell, John McCain, at the time that the Republican Party is seeking unity, Donald Trump is bringing in somebody who wants to punch the Republican establishment in the face. So I think that that is the problem that people are seeing. It's not whether or not Steve Bannon is a smart guy. Everybody knows he is. It's what he's going to do with it and what is Donald Trump going to do with the advice that he's giving. And that's the fear from Republicans right now.

HUGHES: Here is what is so funny about the establishment. You know, for the last few weeks, we have seen Donald Trump working to try to work with the establishment. And yet has the establishment worked with Donald Trump? Have we seen them actually come out endorse? Have we seen them on the campaign trail? Yes, we've seen --

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COSTELLO: Yes, but Donald Trump didn't endorse Paul Ryan, right?

HUGHES: But he did. He ended up eventually.

COSTELLO: He ended up eventually doing it, but it came late.

HUGHES: But where is the rest of the establishment? Paul Ryan is just one of the House members to originally started as a Tea Party member. So let's look at it right now and the polls are not showing it. So I think at this point, 80 days out, you have to go back to what made Mr. Trump popular, which was his own voice, confident in the people around him.

And make -- Paul Manafort is still very much a part of this. He has an amazing strategy.

[09:15:01] What all three of these folks have pulled off within their own private lives is incredible, but what Paul Manafort did at the RNC was nothing short of a miracle. I watched his whip team from our sky view. His whip team was incredible, absolutely making sure that what his goal of getting Mr. Trump that nomination with little hiccups, it worked.

All three of these people make a trifecta of a powerhouse, behind the voice of Donald Trump, which is amazing.

CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: We'll see what happens.

PATRICIA MURPHY: Good luck with that.

COSTELLO: He's going to speak later today. Thanks to both of you, Scottie Nell Hughes, Patricia Murphy.

Still to come in the NEWSROOM: days after Donald Trump says Hillary Clinton is against the police, his Democratic rival is sitting down with law enforcement leaders from across the country. More on that major meeting, next.

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COSTELLO: A major meeting for Hillary Clinton today. She is meeting with law enforcement officials from some of the largest departments in the country, Republicans have hammered Clinton as anti-police for much of this campaign season.

[09:20:02] Just days ago, Donald Trump launching this attack.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: She is against the police. Believe me. You know it and I know it, and guess what, she knows it. Those peddling the narrative of cops as a racist force in our society, a narrative supported with a nod by my opponent, shared directly in the responsibility for the unrest in Milwaukee, and many other places within our country.

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COSTELLO: For more on what this meeting is about, let's head to Washington and Chris Frates.

Hi, Chris.

CHRIS FRATES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning, Carol.

Well, as you heard right there, Donald Trump accusing Hillary Clinton of being anti-cop. So, today, she is planning to meet with some of the nation's top law enforcement officials. It includes chiefs of police from some of the country's biggest cities -- we got L.A., Philadelphia and Dallas.

She is also planning to meet with Clinton -- excuse me, Clinton is also planning to meet with New York City Police Commissioner Bill Bratton, who has slammed Trump.

Take a listen to what he said recently.

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WILLIAM BRATTON, NEW YORK CITY POLICE COMMISSIONER: Mr. Trump scares me, scares the hell out of me, being quite frank with you. That's personal opinion. And I just don't get it.

INTERVIEWER: Why does he scare you as a possible president?

BRATTON: The lack of depth on issues that the shoot from the hip, just watch this whole campaign, I just shake my head.

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FRATES: Now, Carol, we also just got a statement from the NYPD about this meeting. I want to read it to you.

It says in part, "As one of the most experienced leaders in American policing, Commissioner Bratton has a unique perspective into the profession and what we can do to reduce fear, build trust with the community improve training and better equip officers, having led police departments in Boston, Los Angeles and twice in New York."

Now, according to a Clinton aide, today's meeting will focus on challenges and opportunities that the police faced across the country, and after that shooting of a black man in Milwaukee on Monday, it kicked off some protests, Hillary Clinton said the country has urgent work to rebuild trust between police and communities, adding that everyone should have respect for and be respected by the law.

Now, Trump meanwhile, has accused Clinton of being against the police, saying she, quote, "would rather protect the offender than the victim. But by meeting with some of the most important police chiefs today, Carol, Clinton really trying to send a message that she stands with the police, while also acknowledging there is a lot of work to do here, Carol.

COSTELLO: All right. CNN's Chris Frates reporting live for us from Washington -- thank you.

So, let's talk about this. Democratic strategist and former Clinton White House aide, Keith Boykin is here, cofounder and executive editor of RealClearPolitics.com, Tom Bevan, is with me, and also Donald Trump supporter Scottie Nell Hughes is back with me.

Thanks for sticking around, Scottie. I appreciate it.

Keith, I'll start with you, what does it say Hillary Clinton is meeting with these police chiefs today and sending out the message to the media that she is indeed doing that?

KEITH BOYKIN, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well, this is a meeting that was planned some time ago. It didn't just happen, in response to what Donald Trump said this week. But I think it is a reflection of the steadiness that she would show as a leader. You know, Donald Trump, as Bill Bratton said, is a shoot from the hip type of leader, if you want to call him that.

And I think that Hillary Clinton is showing that she's going to build bridges and work together, not just working with the police departments, but also working with communities that are affected by the police and the work that they do.

Bringing people together is not what Donald Trump is doing when he is out there saying that Hillary Clinton is against the police. We have a country where the crime rate is going down, has been going down for several years. But some people like Trump and people who are on his side are basically stoking the flames and encouraging people are going to hell when they are not.

COSTELLO: Although I will say, Keith, that Clinton's camp has called Trump a racist and bigot. That's not, you know, a kumbaya moment.

BOYKIN: I understand that. First of all, I do think Donald Trump is a racist and a bigot, but, you know, even aside from that, I think the reality is Trump's language about the police is dangerous, because Trump is basically suggesting that everything that the police do is always going to be correct. He is not going to every second guess or question the police.

What Hillary Clinton is saying I think is a more nuance approach. Yes, she wants to support the police, but she also wants the police to work together with local communities, particularly with communities of color. So we can start to build bridges and not be against each other all the time.

COSTELLO: So, Scottie, on the subject of building bridges, he gave his law and order speech this week, he spoke to a largely white crowd and talked of his support for police, but he has not sat down with members of the black community so far. Why not?

HUGHES: Well, he has sat down. He has a very active urban coalition of black pastors, black leaders that are Republicans that he has met with several times, even from the very beginning.

COSTELLO: I'm talking about people from within these communities and perhaps reaching out to Black Lives Matter.

HUGHES: I think the campaign has reached out to them. Just because they reach out doesn't mean they're --

COSTELLO: Really? To Black Lives Matter?

HUGHES: Well, I don't know about Black Lives Matter. But he has reached out. He's also had an open invitation to those who'd been in the black community to come into any of these meetings with the pastors. And you have some great people out there speaking on his behalf within the community. They just held a rally in North Carolina at a black church that was phenomenal, that his daughter-in-law was at.

So, he is trying to reach out to them. Just because you take this, he met in Milwaukee, he tried to go into those areas in Chicago and San Diego and others, and saw these riots and chaos. He wasn't going to do that. Milwaukee had enough trouble.

He wanted to show the police officers, unlike Hillary Clinton, that he supported them. There is a reason right now why the Paternal Order of Police president says that they feel like Hillary Clinton snubbed them. There is a reason right now why police and law enforcement actually feel like they've been betrayed by Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party, when last year, they passed resolution solidifying, saying they supported the Black Lives Matter movement.

And most importantly, look at the DNC, Philadelphia, of "The New York Post", as well as Mayor Giuliani reported that police officers, Philly police officers were not allowed to wear their uniforms on the floor there at the DNC within the convention center.

So, law enforcement feel like and rightfully so and justified that --

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COSTELLO: I do think -- I do think, and I'll let you address what Scottie said, Keith, in just a moment, but I want to get to Tom.

I do think there is a sentiment among many police officers that Democrats are in line with Black Lives Matter, and don't really care about their problems. The FOP did sit down with Donald Trump, but not Hillary Clinton, although the FOP has offered no endorsement of either candidate so far.

So, what do you make of this, as m middle of the roader, Tom?

TOM BEVAN, CO-FOUNDER & EXECUTIVE EDITOR, REALCLEARPOLITICS.COM: Well, look, I think this is, despite the fact this meeting was set up weeks ago, it points to the fact that Hillary Clinton is trying to strike a very delicate balance here between, you know, appeasing the folks in her base who some of, you know, won't even say -- to say all lives matter is problematic, and you know, obviously the police and the law and order.

That's why I think this -- for Donald Trump, this is smart politically. Particularly for him, in places like suburbs, where he's lost ground because for him to be able to say he is a law and order candidate might help him recover some ground with folks if they believe that and they look at Hillary Clinton and they think that. you know, she is not as much in favor of law and order.

So, politically, I think it is potent issue, and one that I think Hillary Clinton has to be careful with.

COSTELLO: So, Keith, I do want you to address somewhat of Scottie said. I do believe there is a sentiment that Democrats are not actually sympathetic to what they go through everyday on the streets.

BOYKIN: Well, yes, and first in terms of the question about the police officers, I think that the police unions have typically over the past 20 or 30 years or so, maybe even 40 years, been on the side of Republicans. And that's largely because of Richard Nixon's law and order style of philosophy, of policing -- politics I should say. I think the Republicans are trying to carry that on.

What has hurt the Republicans, crime rates, as I said before, have actually gone down. In cities like New York, where Bill de Blasio came in, and a lot of people are critical of this, they stopped the stop and frisk campaign that was going that was getting 600,000 people a year, and they reduced it, and actually lowered the crime rate while doing it. So, it shows that you can have safe policing and still effective policing.

The second thing, in terms of what Scottie is saying, I don't think you can say you are making a serious effort to reach out to black voters when you go to a white suburb 45 minutes away from where the black people are and give a speech about black people. No black people were there. That's offensive, Scottie. It is offensive to talk about the event in North Carolina that Donald Trump didn't even bother to go to.

And to say that after a year of campaigning, he couldn't find one single event to one black event he could go to, one African-American group can meet with, that's an outrage. And for a community that's 12 to 13 percent of the population, he wants to write them off, that's not acceptable.

HUGHES: I think that --

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COSTELLO: Scottie, your rebuttal.

HUGHES: Real simple. That's wrong to say. He is not. He has embraced the black community, and is continuing to do that.

But let me point out, while you're talking about -- while crime is going down, guess what is going up.

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HUGHES: Officers killed in the line of duty, 37 in 2016 alone. That's rising. Right now, and that's because they feel like -- the communities feel like for some reason, they can assault police officers and get away with it. The events of this week in Milwaukee as people watched that, they saw the opposite of law and order, and that only speaks z why Donald Trump we need to establish respect in all the communities.

Like I said, if he could have gone to Milwaukee and been there safe and provided safety for the community, I guarantee, he would have gone there. But why he did it 45 minutes out, he wanted to show allegiance to the officers, he wanted to show that he's for them and show that he supports --

BOYKIN: Then why give a speech to black people?