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Trump Says GOP Must Do More To Reach Black Voters; Trump: Clinton Lacks "Strength And Stamina"; Trump: Clinton Wants To Abolish Second Amendment; Worst Floods Since Sandy Draw Election Spotlight; Ryan Lochte Opens Up About Rio Incident; Clinton Fighting To Gain Voters' Trust; Historic Landmark Destroyed By Blue Cut Fire. Aired 7- 8p ET

Aired August 20, 2016 - 19:00   ET

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[19:00:33] POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: Top of the hour, 7:00 p.m. Eastern. I'm Poppy Harlow in New York. We begin this hour with Donald Trump, who has just wrapped up a rally in Virginia. He made an aggressive play there tonight for a key voting bloc that he has been struggling with in an extraordinary way, African-Americans. Listen.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Finally today I would like to address an issue of great and very deep personal importance to me. In recent days, across this country, I've asked the African-American community to honor me with their vote.

I fully recognize the outreach to the African-American community is in an area where the Republican Party must do better, and it will do better. The GOP is the party of Abraham Lincoln and I want our party to be the home of the African-American voter once again.

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HARLOW: Let's go straight to our CNN White House producer, Kristen Holmes. You were at the site of the rally. The people have cleared out. That is certainly what stood out to me in his 40-minute plus address tonight, was the moment where he said we as a party have to do better with you, African-American voters. Did it resonate?

KRISTEN HOLMES, CNN WHITE HOUSE PRODUCER: I've got to tell you, Poppy, this was the most impassioned plea for African-American voters that I've heard since I started covering Donald Trump.

Now I thought one of the most interesting things he said he, of course, touched on what you just said, asking for the honor to have African-Americans vote for him.

But another interesting thing he talked about was immigration policy and how it affected both African-Americans and Hispanics. As you know, several Hispanics have felt alienated by Trump's policies on immigration. One of his most popular policies, that you hear chanted here at these rallies over and over again, is the building of the wall. One of the things he said tonight in addition to that was, he said that open borders, immigration is really a huge problem for Hispanics and African-Americans.

The biggest problems for them in getting jobs, those immigrants coming across open borders, those are taking jobs away from Hispanics and African-Americans.

So this is of course is all part of his enormous outreach that we've seen this week. Again, this is the third time we've heard him ask for African-American voters to come to him. He met today with a council that is supporting him and were Hispanics. It's all part of that. I think we'll see more of it moving forward.

HARLOW: Again, and correct me if I'm wrong here, this audience, mainly white that he was making this appeal in front of, correct?

HOLMES: It is true, yes. Like the last two times, a mainly white audience, yes.

HARLOW: By the way, Trump supporters say that doesn't matter, it's broadcast nationally, and therefore it doesn't matter what the audience is he's making the play in front of. There was this other interesting moment, Kristen, when Trump appears to have insinuated that Clinton and Virginia's governor were attempting to rig the vote. What did he say?

HOLMES: This is interesting, Governor Terry McAuliffe in Virginia say long-time Clinton confidant. This is not the first time that Donald Trump has hit the governor. He has said he is in cahoots with the Clinton campaign. That he is working against the people. So let's take a listen to what he said on some reporting here. Let's listen.

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TRUMP: Hillary Clinton is banking on her friend Terry McAuliffe on getting thousands of violent felons to the voting booths in an effort to cancel out the votes of both law enforcement and crime victims. They are letting people vote in your Virginia election that should not be allowed to vote.

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HOLMES: Now, of course this is in response to reporting that Governor McAuliffe is going to announce on Monday that he will allow 13,000 felons to vote that he approved on a case-by-case basis here.

But, you know, this is just another step in one of the things that we have seen with Donald Trump calling the system rigged. He started out by saying it was a rigged system that Hillary Clinton supported, and he said that Governor McAuliffe was in on it and that people has to go out to vote.

HARLOW: Trying to rally as many people as he can certainly to the polls especially in Virginia, where he's down 12 points in the recent battleground state polling. Kristen, thank you so much.

[19:05:09]During the speech tonight, Donald Trump hitting Clinton again questioning whether she is physically fit enough to take on ISIS. Listen.

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TRUMP: She will never be able to fix the ISIS problem that her policies created. For one thing, she doesn't have the strength or the stamina, coupled with all of the other problems that this country has and we have a lot, yet as our military was depleted on Hillary Clinton's watch, things turned out really well for her and only her.

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HARLOW: Joining me now, Andre Bauer, former lieutenant governor of South Carolina, a Donald Trump supporter, and Hilary Rosen, a Democratic strategist and a Hillary Clinton supporter.

Andre, let me begin with you with what we just played from Trump. Why does he keep going after Hillary Clinton's stamina? I mean, look, you've right wing media outlets have been going after questions about her health, et cetera, seeming like conspiracy theories. Why does he keep hammering home at that? Is that effective?

ANDRE BAUER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, you know, it makes one question what was she doing this weekend, what was s doing last weekend, why doesn't she want to take questions from the media? I think there is a question there that he's pointing out, you know, is she up for the job?

HARLOW: But he's talking about her stamina and sort of health capacity. Do you think that's legitimate?

BAUER: I mean, when you're 80 days out from a campaign and you're three days off the trail? I mean, that just seems a little odd. Last weekend, the same thing. Clearly the voters have a right to know whether she's prepared and up for the challenge.

HARLOW: Hilary?

HILARY ROSEN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Oh, God. Well, Hillary Clinton does more event events, you know, in a week than Donald Trump has ever done this entire campaign. He does one event a day. She does three and four events a day.

The last thing voters of this country will ever believe is that Hillary Clinton will be outworked. She won't be outworked. We ought to go to the bigger picture, though, of this message. You know, I'm amused in watching Donald Trump now.

This is I think day three of his constant teleprompter use. He doesn't really seem any more comfortable on day three than he did at the outset. But this is clearly an attempt to be a little more disciplined and more controlled. But in many ways it loses all of the authenticity that Donald Trump has. So he gets kind of the worst of both worlds. He's on this teleprompter saying really ridiculous things. So he's not even getting the benefit of them sounding off-the-cuff.

He's attacking her stamina, but it's on the teleprompter. So I don't know what Donald Trump we're getting at any one moment here. But I can tell you that this sort of disjointed speech is not going to be effective.

HARLOW: However, Hilary Rosen, even as a Clinton supporter, didn't the moment strike you when he said, he admitted, it was sort of this moment of contrition, he said we as a party have a problem with African-American voters, I know we have to do better. He said, will African-American voters please honor me with your vote.

ROSEN: Yes, look, I believe that it is a crime that the Republican Party has so abandoned people of color and the diversity and inclusion message. I do think it's ironic that the entire Democratic convention, which was the most inclusive and diverse convention we've ever seen.

Donald Trump mocked Hillary for that very thing, and then he goes into an audience and says we care about inclusion, we care about reaching out. I just don't think it's going to be very credible.

You should go on black Twitter today and see how people of color are reacting to his speech. Having said that, should Republicans be making policy proposals and thinking about how to help people of color?

Of course, they should be. And, you know, it will remain to be seen whether this is successful. I don't think it will be.

HARLOW: Another moment that stood out was when Donald Trump talked abo the second amendment. So let's play this sound.

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TRUMP: Hillary Clinton wants to essentially abolish the second amendment for law abiding Americans. She wants to overturn the Supreme Court ruling that affirmed the second amendment as a private right so that any city or state in this country can ban private gun ownership.

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HARLOW: Andre, that's just factually inaccurate to say. And I know it plays well with his supporters, we've heard them cheer afterwards.

[19:10:08]I just wonder, as a former lawmaker yourself and a Trump supporter, do you think that saying things like that over and over again, that she wants to abolish the second amendment, which is just not true, is a smart long term play?

BAUER: She said she favors a buyback program. She said she favors the Australian system. So she has given some indication that she would like to substantially reduce the amount of guns in this country.

HARLOW: That is not abolishing the second amendment though, to say it that way, right?

BAUER: You look at it from my perspective, if you're trying to encourage people to give their guns back, that's doing a lot to do away with the second amendment as part of its (inaudible) there. I'm sorry, go ahead.

ROSEN: Come on, Andre, you know that's not true. You know, it's just rhetoric. She's not for that. She's where 90 percent of the country is in terms of background checks and the like.

BAUER: Then I don't run into the other 10 percent that want to sell their guns back to the government. As a taxpayer, I don't want to buy the guns back. I think that law abiding citizens ought to own a firearm, they ought to own several. That keeps the peace in a lot of neighborhoods.

Quite frankly, to continue, you know, not to show up -- not to have law enforcement officers dressed in law enforcement uniforms at the convention, I mean, it seems kind of odd to me, it's almost like she's run away from law enforcement.

And so I don't think she can ask for the fraternal order or police endorsement this year, which is odd in itself. She's definitely given some indication that she doesn't want to be anywhere near law and order.

HARLOW: Hilary, 30-second response, then we've got to go.

ROSEN: Well, I think what remains to be seen is whether Trump is consistently lying, four-Pinocchios every fact checker, when he says things like Hillary Clinton wants to take away the second amendment.

When he says things like immigrants in this country are collecting Social Security benefits, it just makes him look bad. I think in a debate situation, when he can't back up these charges with real facts, he will be back on his heels.

He's got to be in a situation where he's telling the truth to the American people. He seems incapable of that.

HARLOW: Andre Bauer, Hilary Rosen, thank you both very much.

We have a lot ahead this hour. It was the picture President George W. Bush says he regrets. He's seen looking over the Hurricane Katrina devastation from high above the ground and now some people are comparing to this. President Obama golfing while Louisiana floods. Are they similar? Is it fair to even make the comparison? Could this affect the president's legacy?

Also he claimed he was robbed at gunpoint. Olympic gold medalist, Ryan Lochte, sitting down and speaking out for the first time in an exclusive interview with NBC's Matt Lauer. We'll bring you what he said about this entire fiasco in Rio. You are live in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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HARLOW: All right. I want you to take a look at this. To the left of your screen you will see President Obama golfing while on vacation in Martha's Vineyard. On the right is the catastrophic flooding in Louisiana right now.

As Donald Trump visited the area in Louisiana, his supporters seized on that opportunity to compare the absence of the president to the presence of a presidential hopeful.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're glad you're not playing golf in Martha's Vineyard.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Definitely means a lot for showing up here, buddy. Thanks for showing up here.

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HARLOW: And now the White House has announced President Obama will be going to tour the flood zone on Tuesday. Meantime, Hillary Clinton issuing a statement yesterday saying she spoke with the governor of Louisiana and called on the public to help support the flood victims. She has not traveled to the flood zone either.

So How will the optics of this play out for not just President Obama's legacy but in this race for the White House? To help answer, our Jean Casarez takes us back.

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JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): August 29th, 2005, Hurricane Katrina makes landfall on the Gulf Coast with 127-mile-per- hour winds. Eighty percent of New Orleans flooded after the levees failed. More than 1,800 people died in the gulf region and more than 1 million people were displaced by the storm.

As the reality began to unfold, then-President George W. Bush on vacation in Texas would stay at his ranch in Crawford for two more days. Deciding to go back to Washington, Bush did a flyover on August 31st, allowing the press a photo op of the president looking out over the ruin.

At the time, Bush said he didn't want to disrupt efforts on the ground. But in 2010, admitted to NBC's Matt Lauer that photo was a mistake.

FORMER PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: A huge mistake.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And it made you look so out of touch.

BUSH: Detached and uncaring, no question about it. CASAREZ: Total damage for Katrina was estimated at $108 billion. Damage to Bush's legacy was profound. Thirteen years earlier, a natural disaster struck during his father's presidency. It was Hurricane Andrew.

A category 5 storm with sustained winds of 165 miles per hour, whose path included Southern Florida and South Central Louisiana. More than 25 billion in damages with controversy raging throughout the country that H.W. Bush didn't respond fast enough to the victims of this tragedy.

Bush fought back, saying he wasn't going to make politics out of this natural disaster.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This isn't the business of second guessing. It's the business of trying to help people. That's what we're about here. Not going around trying to find blame other make some politics out of a national disaster.

CASAREZ: Unfairly or not, weather disasters can be used to attack politicians at any level. New Jersey Governor Chris Christie was commander-in-chief of his state when Superstorm Sandy hit the northeast in 2012.

A leader for the efforts, Christie drew lasting criticism from Republicans after hugging President Obama, who was visiting the state to survey hurricane damage.

CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY GOVERNOR: What I did was put my people first every day. It was a disappointment for him probably that I didn't hug him. But when I got off Air Force One, I did shake his hand, which is what civilized human beings do with other civilized human beings.

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CASAREZ: The White House has announced President Obama will visit flood stricken Baton Rouge on Tuesday. History has yet to determine how his legacy will be affected by this year's flooding in Louisiana. Jean Casarez, CNN, New York.

HARLOW: Jean, thank you very much. Let's talk about all this with Princeton University historian, Julian Zelizer. He is also the author of the book, "The Fierce Urgency of Now."

Look, is it fair, Julian, is it accurate, not just fair, to compare President Obama not going to Louisiana now with what we just saw with former President Bush and Katrina?

Because I think the key difference is the federal response lacked so much to Katrina. The federal response and supplies, et cetera, to Louisiana right now is not what's been criticized, it's the optics.

[19:20:03]JULIAN ZELIZER, HISTORIAN AND PROFESSOR, PRINCETON UNIVERSITY: Right. It's inevitable that the optics get criticized. It often happens in the summer months, and sometimes when the president is away, this is going to be a criticism.

That said, the heart of the Katrina issue wasn't that photo. The heart was the inadequate response and the way in which FEMA had been gutted in previous years because of cuts and poor staffing.

Right now that's not the criticism. Obama and the administration still have the opportunity to show a forceful response to the crisis and help clean this up.

HARLOW: It's important to know that the governor of Louisiana actually asked that the president wait to come, because whenever a president comes, especially a sitting president, a lot of resources get diverted from the cleanup. At the same time, the White House announced the president will be going on Tuesday, after Donald Trump and Mike Pence landed there.

ZELIZER: Right. It's often the case, and this was also the case with President Bush, that the White House feels their presence there will only create more problems. It's a huge thing for a president to come into any place in the country.

But to do that in the middle of a crisis makes things even more difficult. But the timing, again, whether it's fair or not, becomes an issue. So it looks like the president is responding to the critics.

HARLOW: What about Hillary Clinton? What do you make of the optics and the action in terms of she spoke to the governor, she issues this statement on Facebook, calls in everyone to help, give money to the Red Cross, do what you can, she's not planning to go, as far as we know, yet.

ZELIZER: We'll see if she changes her mind and if she goes. Again, I think what most people are looking for, what are the solutions, what are the candidates offering. Some might think Donald Trump being there and handing things out is good, it's more effective, but in the end, a lot of people from Louisiana want relief. That's what they're looking for.

HARLOW: Right. They get some relief through funding and money that comes when the television cameras are there, which comes when a president or presidential candidate is there. Donald Trump came and gave out supplies which is great.

But he could have said nothing about President Obama or Clinton and nothing political. Instead there were moments when he said political things, like "the president should be here." Did that make it look like a photo op?

ZELIZER: Well, I think most people are convinced, when the president, when a candidate goes, anyone political goes into a crisis area like this, politics is on their mind. Certainly Trump's comments didn't help.

At the same time, President Obama is savvy enough to realize images of him golfing on Martha's Vineyard combined with the crisis images don't look good and it doesn't help Hillary Clinton. You can't extract the politics from a crisis like this.

WHITFIELD: Julian Zelizer, thank you so much, important perspective, we appreciate it. Most importantly, beyond the politics, how do you help the victims? Forty thousand homes damaged. If you want to help, go to CNN.com/impact. Every little bit counts.

Coming up, Ryan Lochte tonight speaking out for the first time since his scandal in Rio. The decorated Olympic gold medalist now admits he exaggerated some parts of his original story. Hear what else Lochte had to say in his exclusive interview with Matt Lauer on NBC. We'll have part of it for you, next.

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HARLOW: U.S. Olympic gold medalist, Ryan Lochte speaking out for the first time since the whirlwind of bad PR he's gotten since Brazilian police say he lied about being robbed at gunpoint.

The International Olympic Committee has set up a disciplinary commission to investigate what happened. Our CNN sports analyst, Christine Brennan, reporting tonight Lochte will indeed be suspended.

Brazilian police also accused Lochte and three of his teammates of vandalizing a gas station bathroom after a late night of partying.

Lochte apologized in this written statement on Friday, but tonight he is speaking out for the first time in an interview with NBC's Matt Lauer here in Manhattan. Lochte said this.

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MATT LAUER, NBC: You told me on the phone, Ryan, you said we are victims here, we are victims, and we're happy that we're safe. In the police press conference they said, not victims, they're vandals. How do you feel about that?

RYAN LOCHTE, U.S. OLYMPIC SWIMMER: It's how you want to -- how you want to make it look like. Whether you call it a robbery, whether you call it extortion, or us paying just for the damages, like we don't know. All we know is that there was a gun pointed in our direction and we were demanded to give money.

LAUER: Gunnar in his statement to police said, at some point someone who spoke English walked over and helped to translate this altercation. And he made it clear that the security guard was telling the four of you, you need to pay for that stuff, that damage before you can leave here or I'm going to call the police. You understood that at the time, didn't you?

LOCHTE: Yes, so then we had to give the money.

LAUER: At that point you're striking a deal. You're striking a deal to pay for what damage you've caused so that he doesn't call the police and this doesn't become a bigger incident. Isn't that fair? LOCHTE: We just wanted to get out of there. I mean, there was a gun pointed in our direction. We were all frightened. We wanted to get out of there as quick as possible and the only way we knew is this guy saying you have to give money. So we gave him money and got out.

LAUER: What I'm trying to get at is the first version of the story you told, Ryan, was much more about the mean streets of Rio. The version we're hearing now is much more about a negotiated settlement to cover up some dumb behavior.

LOCHTE: And that's why I'm taking full responsibility for it, is because I over exaggerated that story. If I never had done that, we wouldn't be in this mess. Those guys would never be in Rio or were in Rio. Nothing of the -- none of this would have happened. It was my immature behavior.

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WHITFIELD: All right, that's just part of the interview. Let's bring in CNN's sports analyst, "USA Today" sports columnist, Christine Brennan. She joins me by phone in Rio. She's been reporting this out throughout the week. Christine, is that taking full responsibility for it?

CHRISTINE BRENNAN, CNN SPORTS ANALYST (via telephone): Well, it's certainly a start. I'm glad, I think everyone is glad to hear from Ryan Lochte, and you heard him say that he understands that if he had not said the things he said, that we wouldn't be in this place, especially the three teammates of his who went through such an ordeal that clearly would have been completely unnecessary if Ryan had done the right thing from the get-go.

[19:30:01] This is smart. Also it's public relations, of course, let's just be honest about that. He is clearly being advised, and he realizes that the silence for five days was devastating as all these events unfolded here in Rio and he of course was back safely at home.

And all the remnants of this drunken rampage and ridiculous fiasco were playing out, and he was really not saying anything about it.

HARLOW: We know he certainly was advised, not only advised but advised by one of the best crisis PR managers in the business, Matthew Hiltig. Look, he didn't just give that interview to NBC. He gave a second interview to Global Television, a Brazilian television network, in an effort to directly apologize to the people of Brazil. How important do you think that is?

BRENNAN: Oh, I think that's huge, Poppy, because as you know and so many people who have been following this story now, the narrative has always been about the concerns about Brazilian street crime.

And when almost a week ago now, when we first heard the news that Ryan Lochte said that he had a gun put to his forehead, it played into every stereotype and concern that people had from around the world who come to Rio for these Olympic Games. We know of course that that story was at least partially fabricated, and now Ryan is telling another story. So yes, I think it's fantastic that he has made the decision to Rio, because they were so affected by the story that he made up.

HARLOW: Let's get to the consequences here. Your sources telling you that he will indeed be suspended. I mean, for how long, what is the punishment going to look like?

BRENNAN: As you may have heard, as reported earlier today, the International Olympic Committee is now setting up a commission to look into this. What I think that does, Poppy, is elongates the conversation. The U.S. Olympic Committee will be playing a big role. USA Swimming, the national governing body to the sport, is going to be playing a big role in this, and now the International Olympic Committee.

Who knows exactly who will go first, although I wouldn't be surprised if it's USA Swimming in terms of punishment because they've been so no-nonsense on Michael Phelps and others over the years.

This may be more elongated than we thought. A decision may not come in the next week or two just because so many people are now looking at these four swimmers, especially Lochte, and trying to figure out how to punish them.

HARLOW: Christine, Lochte is 32, he's closer to the end of his career than the other three swimmers that were with him that are much younger. What does it mean for them?

BRENNAN: Yes, for them, let's say they're suspended, and I don't think what the length would be, obviously we don't know because none of this has happened yet. Let's say Michael Phelps is suspended for six months for drunk driving, three months for the marijuana photo.

So somewhere three to six months and maybe up to a year, who knows? They still would have three years at that point to come back for another Olympic games. I think everyone would want them to have another chance.

For Ryan Lochte, he's 32. It's hard to imagine him at age 36 coming back to the Olympic Games. I think he would also get a bigger suspension simply because he was clearly the ringleader, and from the stories the others told, it sounds like Lochte misbehaved in way that were particularly embarrassing to the U.S. Olympic Committee as a representative of our nation as an athlete at these games.

HARLOW: Christine Brennan, phenomenal reporting all week on this. And the actual games and the wonderful things out of the Olympics that matter the most. Christine Brennan for us from Rio tonight, thank you so much.

Coming up, a federal judge makes two major decisions on Hillary Clinton's private e-mails, details on that.

Plus what she told the FBI about the e-mail advice she got from Colin Powell. You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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HARLOW: The FBI this week made an extremely rare move by handing over its investigative report on Hillary Clinton's e-mails to Congress. That report includes notes from Hillary Clinton's 3-1/2 hour interview with FBI investigators. That is revealing details that we have never heard before. Our Suzanne Malveaux has more on that tonight -- Suzanne.

SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Poppy, we're learning that it certainly wasn't a secret that Hillary Clinton was considering setting up and using a private e-mail for State Department business. In fact, it was discussed with her predecessor, Colin Powell.

But what Clinton ended up doing went far beyond what was considered acceptable in the handling of classified documents. Clinton's focus was not the e-mail controversy but changes she's making to convince voters she'll be a straight shooter.

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MALVEAUX (voice-over): The Clinton campaign wasting no time reacting to Trump's latest campaign shake-up, his campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, now gone, the Clinton campaign reacting saying, "You can get rid of Manafort but that doesn't end the odd bromance Trump has with Putin."

Releasing video comparing the two. Clinton is launching a reset of her own, trying to counter Trump's scathing crescendoing narrative.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Hillary Clinton has proven to be one of the greatest liars of all time.

MALVEAUX: In the wake of polls showing most voters don't believe Clinton is trustworthy or transparent, she is making big changes.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: If you're president, will his husband divest himself of any association with the foundation?

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, Anderson, you know, we'll cross that bridge if and when we come to it.

MALVEAUX: Thursday, the crossing came, The Clinton Foundation announcing that if Hillary Clinton is elected president, it will no longer accept foreign or corporate donations. And Bill Clinton would no longer give paid speeches during her tenure. Concessions to critics who have accused the Clintons of using the foundation to enrich themselves.

TRUMP: Then there was all the money funneled into the Clinton Foundation from foreign governments and corporations. It was pay for play. CLINTON: We have so much that we're proud of. I'll put that up against any of the innuendo and accusation coming from Donald Trump.

MALVEAUX: But today Clinton's e-mails are back in the headlines. "The New York Times" reporting leaks from the FBI's investigation from those classified notes the agency shared with members of Congress on Tuesday.

The documents revealed that in Clinton's three-hour interview with investigators, she said her predecessor, Colin Powell, advised her to use a personal e-mail account. A spokeswoman for Powell released a statement saying in part, "He did write former Secretary Clinton an e- mail memo describing his use of his personal AOL e-mail account for unclassified messages and how it vastly improved communications within the State Department.

[19:40:14]At the time there was no equivalent system within the department.

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MALVEAUX: We are told he also used a secure state computer on his desk to manage classified information. And unlike Clinton, he did not have a private server at his home or use outside contractors to set this all up -- Poppy.

HARLOW: Suzanne, thank you very much.

Coming up next, we'll discuss it all, how that federal judge's ruling that Clinton has to answer questions about her e-mails in writing, how that will all play in. And what about that advice from Colin Powell? We'll debate it next.

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HARLOW: In Southern California, the blue cut wildfire has now destroyed nearly a hundred homes and blackened almost 40,000 acres. Also lost to the flames, a Route 66 landmark, the legendary Summit Inn, visited by stars like Elvis Presley and John Wayne. Here's our Paul Vercammen.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The wine rack and a lot of other stuff, old gum ball machine over there.

PAUL VERCAMMEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Cecil Stevens, longtime owner of the Summit Inn before he sold it a month ago can't believe the blue cut fire torched his life's work.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It makes me sick on my stomach. It's awful because I know every light switch, every pipe. After 50 years, you've had to repair half of that stuff.

VERCAMMEN: That's right. A half century of owning a favorite hangout on Route 66. Stevens bought the Summit Inn and Restaurant Friday the 13th in 1966. Shutdown the motel and focused on food and the history of the fabled route from Chicago to the Pacific Ocean.

Cecil and his wife of 41 years, Debbie, became the mom and pop of a nostalgia stop for classic car craze patrons, Route 66 worshippers, even locals obsessed with both.

[19:45:03]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's been many times where I would stood at the bar having coffee when it was snowing and just said I'm not going to work.

VERCAMMEN: Smoldering tales of these ashes have it that celebrities rolled in too including Elvis Presley. The King reportedly saw Cecil's jukebox didn't offer a single one of his records.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He kind of stood back and kicked the jukebox lightly and said maybe next time when I come back in here you'll have one of my records in here. I went out and got a record right away.

VERCAMMEN: Music serenated generations of people who pulled off the road, eat everything from ostrich burgers to banana splits to the popular hillbilly burger.

(on camera): What's a hillbilly burger?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was sour dough bread with hamburger, lettuce, tomato, onion. It was really good. It was delicious.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a meal, a meal in itself.

VERCAMMEN (voice-over): The kitchen is now a pile of charred heartbreak, but perhaps the good omen, the Summit Inn sign still stands and the new owners tell CNN they plan to rebuild and try to recapture every charming inch of Cecil Steven's American treasure. Paul Vercammen, CNN, California.

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HARLOW: Glad they're rebuilding. All right, coming up, to politics. Hillary Clinton, no question, has a formidable advantage in battleground states. But still a big headache, polls showing a lot of voters still don't find her honest and trustworthy. We'll talk about the new numbers and what she can do on the other side. Stay with us.

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HARLOW: The controversy surrounding Hillary Clinton's e-mail use is not going away. It's an issue voters are certainly paying attention to. A recent Bloomberg poll found 80 percent of registered voters are bothered by Clinton's private e-mail use. More than half of them says it bothers them a lot.

Let's talk about this with CNN political commentator, Andre Bauer. He is a former lieutenant governor of South Carolina and a Trump supporter.

[19:50:04]Also with us A. Scott Bolden, a former chairman of the Washington, D.C. Democratic Party and a Hillary Clinton supporter. Scott, let me ask you this. More than half of the voters here say this bothers them a lot.

If you were in the seat of advising Hillary Clinton, how would you tell her 80 days out here's what you need to do to change the public's perception on this issue?

A.SCOTT BOLDEN, FORMER CHAIRMAN WASHINGTON, D.C. DEMOCRATIC PARTY: A couple of things. I'd tell her to stop talking about the e-mail piece, stop trying to explain it. The numbers of distrust and untrustworthiness for both, Hillary and Trump are baked in at this point.

She's got a comfortable lead nationally. She's got a comfortable lead in battleground states and so what she ought to say is what she's been saying is I apologize, I made a mistake --

HARLOW: What she's been saying isn't working as reflected in those numbers.

BOLDEN: Well, those numbers say it bothers them, but the real question is she trustworthy enough to the majority of the American voters to be president and is she more trustworthy than Trump --

HARLOW: Let's look at those numbers.

BOLDEN: -- that is where we are.

HARLOW: This same Bloomberg shows less than half of voters find Clinton honest and trustworthy, but Trump is trusted even less. Let's pull up the other numbers. Trump is trusted even less, right? He's at 39%.

BAUER: Exactly.

HARLOW: But she is trusted more than Trump.

BAUER: Well, she's continuing to take on a barrage of issues. Now, you know, she's saying Colin Powell. She's finding somebody new to blame. I don't know if I can say honestly anything more about her e- mails, but she hasn't said anything honest from the start.

HARLOW: That was revealed yesterday because the FBI notes from the interview with her were handed over to Congress.

BAUER: She said it. She just said it to Congress or she said it to the FBI.

HARLOW: No, she said it to the FBI in an interview that almost would never become public usually.

BAUER: It wouldn't matter whether this becomes public or not. She's throwing it to the FBI as a scapegoat to get out of what she did. She wanted to keep this private to nobody could find out. She knew she was subverting the law.

Whether it's been Benghazi, pardon gate, travel gate, pay to play, stealing from the White House, the Congo cash, it's one thing after another. If you wonder why the Justice Department didn't investigate her, 228 people in the Justice Department donated to guess who, Hillary Clinton.

HARLOW: Scott?

BOLDEN: Can I jump in here, Poppy?

HARLOW: Yes.

BOLDEN: Let me just say this. You know what is amazing about the Republicans when they go after Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton is it is all nefarious, it is all allegations. It is all innuendo.

I think I saw a report the Clintons have been investigated upwards of 1,000 times in the 20 years they've been in public life. And not one time have they been charged, indicted, made a finding of negative. In fact, in Benghazi it was a Republican-led Congressional committee --

HARLOW: But Scott, the FBI director, James Comey, called her actions with this e-mail server extremely careless and she should have known better.

BOLDEN: Yes, but again, he didn't charge her. He said he couldn't charge her because no reasonable prosecutor would charge her. Listen to my statement. My statement was simply this. All these investigations the Republicans push or raise these issues about Hillary Clinton are all innuendo.

BAUER: So Bill Clinton didn't lie under oath? Bill Clinton didn't lie under oath, did he?

HARLOW: Let's keep it to the candidates, guys.

BOLDEN: Well, sure. If you compare Hillary Clinton and the reason she is more trustworthy is we're living through a narrative of lies and misleading statements by Donald Trump every day. He says he's going to turn over his tax returns before he runs and he doesn't.

HARLOW: Andre, you have 30 seconds, 30-second response.

BAUER: Again, those numbers aren't there by happenstance. She has repetitively done things to break the public's trust and it keeps coming every day. Seems like it is a new story.

HARLOW: Both candidates have trustworthy issues according to those numbers. Thank you both. Have a good weekend.

Coming up next, tonight's number. A powerful and heartbreaking image that has captured the world's attention.

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HARLOW: Finally, tonight the number is five, 5 years old. That's the age of this little, beautiful boy. His name is Omran. The home that he once shared with his family in Aleppo, Syria, was bombed this week. Who was behind the air strike? We don't know.

Activists blame the Syrian regime and Russia. Omran sits in this ambulance. He's bloodied and covered in dust and is waiting for help. Activists tell us it took nearly an hour to dig him out of the rubble.

A Syrian doctor there tells us he didn't cry at all because he was just in shock. And the perverse reality is that Omran is one of the lucky ones. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights says more than 4,500 children have been killed in Syria as this war rages on.

Among that number, we learn today that Omran's brother, a 10-year-old, Ali Daqneesh died. He died at a field hospital today. Omran's mother remains in critical condition at that hospital. This is a family torn apart by a brutal war, and Omran is facing an uncertain future at the age of 5 years old.

I'm Poppy Harlow. Thank you for being with me tonight. "ANTHONY BOURDAIN, PARTS UNKNOWN" is next. Goodnight.