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Obama to Visit Baton Rouge; Trump Demands Investigation into the Clinton Foundation. Aired 12-12:30p ET

Aired August 23, 2016 - 12:00   ET

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ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Ashleigh Banfield. And welcome to LEGAL VIEW.

We're going to begin with breaking news this hour. Any minute now, the president is set to arrive in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, to see first- hand all of the damage that one particular area has sustained - sustained in crippling floods there. These were scenes from Joint Andrews Base in Maryland earlier this morning as his plane was taking off, eleven days after the flooding began in earnest. The timing of his visit, the delay, is not sitting well with many Republicans, and some in Louisiana as well. Because as I'm sure you're well aware by now, he was on vacation as much of southern Louisiana was suffering. To be fair, the governor of the state himself, and a Democrat, said that he preferred the president wait to visit given the security concerns and logistics that come with such a visit.

But politics aside for now, here is an example of what the president is likely to see when he touches down in Louisiana. People's belongs are everywhere. They are left outside, on the street. What hasn't been damaged inside is pretty much now ready for the dump. Drywall gutted out, ripped out of people's homes. It's just one of 60,000 homes you're seeing flooded in - damaged in these horrific floods. And these scenes replicate block after block after block.

Our Nick Valencia has been doing the coverage live in Louisiana. He's live now with us from Denham Springs.

So, just take me through a little bit about the logistics of the president's visit. What's he going to see and how is he going to be taken through the damaged zone?

NICK VALENCIA, CNN ANCHOR: Ashleigh, he's expected to touch down sometime this hour. He will meet with state and local official at a tarmac there. After he touches down, he will be ushered to East Baton Rouge Parish, which has not had as significant damage as Livingston Parish, where we are here. But we do expect him to take a tour around those affected areas. Many people have been critical of the location that he has decided to tour, including the president of Livingston Parish, who says he just doesn't understand why the president chose that location over this considering just how deeply affected this parish was. More than 60,000 homes affected, 3,000 people still in shelters and it has been ten days of difficult, just misery here in southern Louisiana.

A rain event, heavy rain event happening not this past weekend but the weekend before. Unexpected, according to one resident. He said they were predicting this severe weather to happen on Sunday. It happened on Saturday instead. And what the result was, was seven feet of water in his home. I'm talking about Todd Krichel. He lives about four doors down from here. He gave us a tour of his home. He said he's just been devastated, heartbroken because among the prize possessions that he's lost is a Bible that's been in his family since the early 1800s. He spoke to us about the impact that this severe weather has had on him and his family.

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TODD KRICHEL, DENHAM SPRINGS RESIDENT: Yes, I pulled in the streets this morning and a wave hit me and it just - I broke down. You know, I'm sad. It's just all my friends, family, you know, all our friends on this street, look at - look at it. You know what I'm saying? And I walk - and I pulled down there and it was like, you know, pretty tough to swallow.

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VALENCIA: I did ask Todd Krichel about the president's expected visit today. He said he really didn't want to get into politics, but he did underscore the visit of GOP nominee Donald Trump, saying that it highlighted and put a spotlight on southern Louisiana for the resources that they needed. Many of the people here that we've spoken to, Ashleigh, they don't want to get into politics. They'd rather focus on the clean-up and the recovery. They know it's going to take a long time, months in fact, before it's all complete.

Ashleigh.

BANFIELD: And, Nick, you know, while they are dealing with the awful aftermath of the flood, they're still sort of on the heels of a terrible story that had developed before the flood, that was the ambush killings of three police officers just sort of earlier in the summer. And isn't the president going to be doing something with regard to that on his visit?

VALENCIA: It is so important to underscore exactly what this city has been through this summer. You had the fatal shooting death of Alton Sterling, a black man at the hands of two white police officers. Just weeks after that, as the community was just starting to sort of settle down, there was a lot of demonstrations here. As the community was just starting to settle down, someone came from out of state to assassinate three police officers in the Baton Rouge area. And President Obama did come under criticism for not visiting with the families. He instead sent Vice President Joe Biden to a memorial service here held just a couple of weeks ago. Now we understand, we're being told by a source who - with knowledge of the president's visit, that President Obama will, before he departs Baton Rouge, visit with the family members of those three fallen officers.

[12:05:04] It is unclear who among those family members will be and if anyone will show up. Earlier we did see a social media post from the girlfriend of one of those fallen officers who was very critical of the president and saying that he has shown a lack of empathy toward those fallen officers. But today, as we understand it, it's just coming into us now at CNN, that the president will meet with the family members or is expected to meet at one location together with the family of the three fallen officers who were assassinated in cold blood this summer.

Ashleigh.

BANFIELD: Three officers murdered and three officers injured as well. So quite a - a calamity that's befallen that community. A terrible summer for Baton Rouge.

OK, Nick Valencia, keep on the story for us. We're watching the clock and watching for when the president's going to touch down. We're going to bring it to you live just as soon as it happens.

It's also really important to note that when the president lands and sees all that damage and the cost of it, so many of the people that are behind this damage, they don't have flood insurance. And there's a lot of reasons for that. So whatever aid the government can give is critical at this point for so many of these folks in Louisiana.

Joining me now on the phone from Baton Rouge is Louisiana's lieutenant governor, Billy Nungesser. He is going to be meeting the president on the tarmac at the airport when he touches down. And if you recognize that name, there's a good reason. He has certainly seen his fair share of disasters and has been on CNN year after year because during his time as the president of Plaquemines Parish, his community faced five hurricanes, five, and if that's not enough, the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

Lieutenant governor, it's good to talk to you again. I wish that we could talk for different reasons, but we always meet on the air because of a crisis. What is the first thing you're going to say to the president as he steps off the plane and you greet him?

BILLY NUNGESSER (R), LOUISIANA LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, (via telephone): Well, I want him to understand that unlike a hurricane, where everyone along the coast has flood insurance, this was a thousand-year event. These people have lived in their homes, some of them 40, 50 years, have never flooded. A lot of elderly people. Didn't have flood insurance. So the amount of people without flood insurance makes this event that much worse.

And so as he tours the devastated areas, keeping in mind these people have no means to rebuild their home and their life if there's not some type of aid that's going to come forth for the rebuilding efforts. Many of them were advised they didn't need flood insurance because of the areas they lived in. And that's going to be another disaster in itself as we try to rebuild these communities.

BANFIELD: So critical to reiterate that, that many people in this community were told they did not need flood insurance because of where they lived. Nobody expected the thousand-year rain that you have had. So they were advised. They weren't lazy. They weren't paying their money and taking their chances. They were told they did not need the insurance. It's critical to say that.

Lieutenant governor, the politics, you can't avoid. There have been Republicans calling for the president to abandon his vacation early to come down and visit. The governor, your boss of your state, saying he would prefer he wait because the logistics involved in bringing in a high-level visitor actually take away from the necessary needs of the community. Where do you weigh in on this?

NUNGESSER: Well, I'm glad to see the president comes, as I was Donald Trump, and we welcome Hillary Clinton. Anyone that can keep national attention is going to be good. I met with the president many times during the oil spill. It brought great attention to that - that (INAUDIBLE) devastation the coastline. So I think any national public official or politician that can come is going to help us.

You know, I'm a Republican. Our governor is a Democrat. We work as a team for what's best for Louisiana. And, hopefully, we can get through this disaster and work as a team with the Congress to do what's right for the citizens and put politics aside and hopefully today we'll do that with the president's visit.

BANFIELD: And so just to be clear, our reporter at the top of this show, Nick Valencia, said that there is already criticism as the president's plane is set to arrive just within minutes that the president won't be visiting Livingston Parish, which is the hardest hit. Is there a reason for that? Is it logistics? Is there something you don't understand? I want to get you to weigh in on why the president won't be there and whether it - whether it matters.

NUNGESSER: Yes. I (INAUDIBLE) understand there's the Denham Springs, many of those areas, you've got to go into some of those neighborhoods where - where the - everything in their house, their cars, everything is destroyed. And hopefully we can convince him to visit some of those areas.

This disaster spread across 24 parishes in Louisiana. We see a hurricane hit one or two parishes. So this is a large disaster across many parishes. And hopefully he'll get a chance to go into some of those more devastated parishes. I will encourage him to do that.

[12:10:08] BANFIELD: Mr. Lieutenant Governor, thanks for taking the time. And we are wishing you the best as you and your fellow Louisianans try to recover from this disaster. Thanks so much for your time.

NUNGESSER: And thank you for the coverage. We really need it. We appreciate it.

BANFIELD: I hope we meet under better circumstances next time, Billy. This is getting very repetitive. I'm so sorry for you.

NUNGESSER: Thank you so much.

BANFIELD: Lieutenant Governor Billy Nungesser joining us live here on the program.

In addition to the government's help, there are multiple ways that you can help to make a difference. Mike Steele is the communication's director for the Louisiana Governor's Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness and he joins me live now from the spot that you just heard the lieutenant governor talk about, Denham Springs, Louisiana.

Mike, thanks for being with us. Just give me a bit of an assessment. We're hearing that, you know, this parish, Livingston Parish, is the worst hit. From your eyes on the ground, give me the read.

MIKE STEELE, GOV.'S OFFICE OF HOMELAND SECURITY & EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS: Yes, this is actually my home parish. So it's pretty devastating to see, as you can see behind us here, there's pile of debris stacked up. But it's important to remember, this isn't just trash, you know, these are people's lives out by the street right now. All the memories of - with their kids and everyone. So it's very difficult circumstances.

One of the things we're urging people to do, and the lieutenant governor's done a great job helping coordinate this, is, we need people to come in and help muck out homes. If they're faith-based organizations or they're individuals that are able to come in and help out, we have a site that's volunteerlouisiana.gov. So we're asking anyone across the country that can come in and help with this process, please, do so.

BANFIELD: And just so we know where things stand, are there still homes under water? We feel as though we hear the waters have receded for the most part, but what's the real story?

STEELE: Well, most of the water issues have gone down. The flood fight has mostly ended. We still have some roads being impacted and some smaller communities being impacted. So we're kind of turning our attention more to the recovery side now.

We have about 110,000 people that have registered for federal assistance at this point. We expect that number to keep climbing. About 55 million in homeowner assistance has been approved with about $20 million being distributed so far. We were very fortunate to kind of get that process rolling very early with this event, much like we did with another big flood that impacted over half the state back in the spring. And so we're hoping to keep that momentum going. We just have a lot more neighborhoods, a lot more homes impacted by this event.

BANFIELD: And speaking of the impact and all of the debris that we've seen piled up behind you and all the way along the block, for blocks and blocks in your - in your community, look, we are - we've been talking about the president. He's minutes away from landing in Louisiana and Baton Rouge area. But even the lieutenant governor, just before you, said he wanted the president to see Denham Springs. He wanted him to see Livingston Parish, the hardest hit. Is there any logistical reason that you can see on the ground there, this is your home parish, why he wouldn't physically be able to get through there or get - get - is there - is there a danger issue? Is there a logistics problem?

STEELE: You know, I'm not a hundred percent sure on his schedule and why things have been done a certain way. The governor has pointed out, you know, there's a benefit to having dignitaries and the president come through because it brings light to what is going on here and kind of the massive recovery effort that we're going to have to take part in and get people through. But on the other hand, it really doesn't impact a lot of what we do on a day-to-day operation. You know, our work would continue much the same way. But if it can kind of bring light and again help bring volunteers to this area, you know, we're all for it. But as far as his actual travel locations and everything, we haven't really been a part of that process.

BANFIELD: So let's reiterate the message that you just stated, and that is that the biggest need you have is for volunteers, people to help come and help these people get the muck out of their houses. They can't even begin any processes until physical labor is invested. Volunteers are need.

Mike Steele, good luck to you in your pitch, in your effort to get people out. We really hope the best for you. Thank you for being here today.

STEELE: You bet. Thank you. We appreciate the attention you're helping us.

BANFIELD: Mike Steele in Denham Springs, Louisiana.

And, by the way, if you want to know how you can help out, if you can't physically get there to help muck out those homes and help those people who need you, you can do it another way. And it's a heck of a lot easier. You can go to cnn.com/impact. There is a - there are a myriad of ways that you can help. And the Red Cross has said it, the Salvation Army has said it, everyone's saying it, they need money. Really, so much of this starts with just the investment in your fellow Americans and what they need from you. So we encourage you to do so, cnn.com/impact.

We're going to bring you live coverage of the president's visit to Louisiana. He is in the air, but expected to touch down in the next few minutes in Baton Rouge. He's going to tour a neighborhood badly damaged in the flooding. Stay with us. We're live.

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[12:18:55] BANFIELD: We're waiting for President Obama to get an up- close look at the misery that's been caused by the flooding in south Louisiana. And my next guest has some insights and some expertise on both the presidency and the state of Louisiana. James Carville is an icon of Democratic politics and the author of the new book "We're Still Right, They're Still Wrong." He helped put Bill Clinton in the White House in 1992 and he supports Hillary Clinton for 2016. We've had to blur out the image there, Carville, because it's - well, there's - Donald Trump is coming out of the wrong end of the - out of the elephant, if you're a Republican. BORIS EPSHTEYN, SENIOR ADVISER, TRUMP CAMPAIGN: I don't appreciate

that one bit. I don't appreciate that one bit, but I appreciate humor, how about that.

JAMES CARVILLE, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: You appreciate the humor. There you go. OK. A little (INAUDIBLE), you know.

BANFIELD: Boris Epshteyn is the senior - Boris is a senior adviser to Donald Trump's campaign. You've seen him here a lot.

First and foremost, we say you're an expert in both Louisiana and in presidential politics. We made it real clear why you're an expert in politics. For those who may not know, you're a life-long resident of Louisiana. You have a lot of family members in Baton Rouge. You live in New Orleans right now. This is near and dear to your heart. You've lived through the tragedies that have befallen Louisiana. So just, first and foremost, I'm going to sort of combine the political question -

CARVILLE: Sure.

BANFIELD: With the tragedy. A lot of people from the other side of the aisle saying that the president should have been there sooner.

[12:20:06] CARVILLE: I - first of all, I saw James Lee Witt, who was President Clinton's FEMA director, he was a great one, and he said, you know, President Clinton always said, I'm not going until you tell me you're ready for me. The governor who, and the lieutenant governor, Billy Nungesser, who you just had on, is a Republican, the governor said we didn't want the president because it takes away from resources that we had. You know, and I'm glad that Donald Trump went. I think he gave $100,000 to a church in Greenwell Springs. That's great. And I think the president's there when the governor's, you know, ready for him, and they have the resources that they can do.

So - but I have a - I have five siblings in Baton Rouge. I have a daughter that's just starting LSU. God knows how many friends I have that have been affected by this. I have a nephew that got flooded and he's a deputy sheriff in Ascension Parish. One of my - my sister has water around her house, not in it yet, hopefully, if they - hopefully they open up Alligator Buoy (ph) and let some water go down at some point.

BANFIELD: You're heading back down there tomorrow?

CARVILLE: Yes, I'm going tomorrow.

BANFIELD: Meeting with (INAUDIBLE).

CARVILLE: I'm going to Lafayette.

BANFIELD: Yes.

CARVILLE: By the way, Lafayette took a lot of water, too. I mean the attention has been, and, you know, and I understand that, has been on Baton Rouge, in particular the (INAUDIBLE) River. But Lafayette - Lafayette's got - got hit hard too.

BANFIELD: All right. So I'm going to just reiterate to our viewers, we're watching the president's live signal to see when he touches down. He's going to be visiting a couple parishes there. We're going to continue to do that coverage. But we're going to talk politics now with the both of you.

CARVILLE: All right.

BANFIELD: And, Boris, I'm going to put this to you. Yesterday I was on a tear on this set saying we've got 70-some-odd days until the election and I still don't know what Donald Trump's immigration policy is except get them out, get them out of here, we're going to get them out, we're going to get 11 million out of here, and I just don't know how we're going to do that and I'm desperate to hear. I was so excited for Thursday. I bought the popcorn. I got it all set. And then yesterday I found he's cancelled. When are we going to hear about your candidate's immigration policy other than get them out of here?

EPSHTEYN: Well, we'll be laying out the full policy over the next several weeks. But here are the keys to the policy. The first key is, once elected president, once he becomes president, of course, in January, he will work to get all the illegal immigrants who are criminals out of this country through deport - through deportation.

BANFIELD: But is he flip-flopping? Is he saying that -

EPSHTEYN: No.

BANFIELD: You know, he just said yesterday - he just said yesterday, he thinks that Bush and Obama have been doing the same thing and this is how he actually turned it to his audience. Take a peek.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: The first thing we're going do, if and when I win, is we're going to get rid of all of the bad ones. As far as everybody else, we're going to go through the process. What people don't know is that Obama got tremendous numbers of people out of the country. Bush, the same thing. Lots of people were brought out of the country with the existing laws. Well I'm going to do the same thing.

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BANFIELD: So is - look, he's the deporter in chief, Obama has been called. He's deported more people than any other president in the past. Does that mean that Donald Trump is starting to see things Obama's way?

EPSHTEYN: No, what he's saying is this. He's says that past presidents have used deportation extensively, including the current president. So it's unfair to say that Donald Trump's policies are somehow extreme or anything like that. He's saying, again, that when he becomes president, he will take all the illegal immigrants who are criminals, who have committed crimes in this country, murder, rape, et cetera, et cetera, and he will deport those. Then, at that point, you will - you will go through a process to determine what to do with the other illegal immigrants who are in this country. And you will do so humanely and enforcing the laws that are on the books and follow the Constitution.

BANFIELD: I'm getting Carville body language. And you know what Carville body language is?

EPSHTEYN: I don't, but I'm guessing.

CARVILLE: I'm guessing I -

BANFIELD: He can explain it.

CARVILLE: I can explain it.

The policy under President Bush, under President Obama, under anybody is, you commit a crime, you leave. That's no (INAUDIBLE). What Mr. Trump is proposing, we would have a deportation force. It would deport everybody else. Now he's saying he agrees with the Obama policy. Look, the guy has gone on an apology tour. He's now praising President Obama.

EPSHTEYN: No.

CARVILLE: He's behind. He's way behind. And now he's trying to say, oh, I'm sorry if I offended anybody. I'm really not going to deport anybody. We're not really going to change anything. You know, and people are going to see through this.

EPSHTEYN: Now, come on, that's not fair.

CARVILLE: That's of course what he's saying.

EPSHTEYN: That's not - there was no apology tour. That was one statement in an hour and a half long speech.

CARVILLE: But - what, he didn't say he was sorry? (INAUDIBLE) again apology (INAUDIBLE) -

EPSHTEYN: And, listen, if you want to talk about the issues that are really key right now, let's talk about the Hillary Clinton issue. Let's talk about the special prosecutor we're calling for.

BANFIELD: OK, I'll tell you what, since you brought that up, let's play that because that's -

CARVILLE: (INAUDIBLE).

EPSHTEYN: (INAUDIBLE).

BANFIELD: That - last night, Donald Trump has called the Clinton Foundation the most corrupt enterprise in political history. He said that she's engaged in pay for play at the State Department, and then dropped this in terms of requesting a special prosecutor. Have a listen. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: The amounts involved, the favors done, and the significant number of times it was done require an expedited investigation by a special prosecutor immediately, immediately, immediately.

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BANFIELD: He gets - he gets a lot of cheers from his crowds -

CARVILLE: Yes.

BANFIELD: When he says that. And you have to admit, those recent e- mails show that there is communication between the Clinton Foundation - I'm getting the Carville body language, but, James -

[12:25:05] CARVILLE: Yes. All right, let me -

BANFIELD: There were communications -

CARVILLE: Right.

BANFIELD: Between the Clinton Foundation and the State Department -

CARVILLE: All right, let's start with - let's start with facts. Can -

BANFIELD: And even if nothing resulted from it -

CARVILLE: Right.

BANFIELD: There's the appearances, which Hillary Clinton said she would do her best to make sure wouldn't happen.

CARVILLE: Do I - do I - do I - do I get - you know how much Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton have taken out of the Clinton Foundation? You got that (INAUDIBLE)?

EPSHTEYN: That's a complete misnomer.

CARVILLE: Again, hold on just a second -

EPSHTEYN: They made $50 million - (INAUDIBLE) 50 million (INAUDIBLE) -

CARVILLE: Again, it's - you go ahead and talk because we're not allowed to defend the (INAUDIBLE). CNN (ph) is. No one can defend the Clintons. So, go ahead.

BANFIELD: I'm allowing you. No, I'm allowing you to - to defend.

EPSHTEYN: Go ahead.

CARVILLE: I'm glad you asked me a - you asked me a three-minute question, a defense, I get interrupted. So let's start here.

BANFIELD: You're getting your time. CARVILLE: Let's start with the number zero. All right. Fact check me. Not a penny. In fact, last year, they gave $1 million. Let's start with the fact that 11 million people around the world get anti-viral drugs from the Clinton Foundation. Let's start with the fact that they reduced the cost of malaria medication by 80 to 90 percent. And let's start with the fact that the crowned prince of Bahrain would see the secretary of state and got the appointment through the normal channels.

You know what's going to happen? Is all you people in the press, it's going to work, you're going to shut it down and people are going to die.

EPSHTEYN: No, it's not (ph).

CARVILLE: This is - this is one of the great things in the world is the Clinton Foundation. If there is no such thing -- Donald Trump doesn't know what he's talking about.

EPSHTEYN: OK.

CARVILLE: They've gotten no money. You see that folks? Zero money.

EPSHTEYN: All right, now may I respond to that.

BANFIELD: Boris, wait a second. Well, hold on a minute because you threw me under the bus there too.

CARVILLE: Right.

BANFIELD: And I ask the questions. I don't state what happened. So, thank you.

CARVILLE: And I don't give - OK, and I'm giving you the answer. Thank you. Zero.

BANFIELD: So here's the deal, Boris -

EPSHTEYN: So I'll give you - I'll give you the real - I'll give you the real answer.

CARVILLE: Zero.

BANFIELD: Other president, including the Bushs, have had foundations and have never been questioned for it when they raise money for charity. And where is your evidence that any money has ever been taken out of a charity and, quote, "lined the pockets," which is what Donald Trump says on the campaign trail.

EPSHTEYN: They've used $50 million for travel.

BANFIELD: He accuses them of stealing money from a charity. Where is the evidence of that?

EPSHTEYN: They've used $50 million - now, this is disclosed information. They've used $50 million of the foundation's money for travel. Travel? $50 million. They used that as a slush fund for their - now, let me finish.

CARVILLE: Go ahead.

EPSHTEYN: For expenses, for travel, for their lifestyle, whatever it may be. But more importantly, it's a way for foreign leaders, foreign corrupt leaders, foreign criminals like Gilbert Chagoury, to gain leverage. And we already see that in the e-mails from Doug Band. It's a way -

BANFIELD: There is no proof any leverage was ever gained.

CARVILLE: Let me - right. Right. Let me -

EPSHTEYN: Doug Band's e-mail and Cheryl Mills (INAUDIBLE) -

BANFIELD: You have to admit that that did not happen.

CARVILLE: Let - let me -

EPSHTEYN: Here's the bigger issue. She's lying, not just about the foundation, she's lying about the e-mails. And now we know that for a fact. She lied under oath to Congress when she said that she turned over all her e-mails.

BANFIELD: You don't know that for a fact. That's your accusation. You're a lawyer. You know the difference between the fact and accusation.

EPSHTEYN: No, as a lawyer, she hasn't been - she hasn't been convicted of it, but she definitely lied. (INAUDIBLE) come out.

CARVILLE: Let me - let me just -

BANFIELD: All right, James.

CARVILLE: (INAUDIBLE). Actually people that monitor charity, that are experts at (INAUDIBLE), charity watches are number one. The Clinton Foundation is a five star out of five star. It only - it only has, what, like 11 percent for administrative costs, all right? This is really one of the great charities in the world.

EPSHTEYN: That's all people in Haiti were saying.

CARVILLE: And I - again, it's one of the great charities - because anything of that size that does that - these companies that give to this people, that give to this, they trust President Clinton. And what I don't understand is how a man that's given so little to charity is so offended that someone is using -

EPSHTEYN: Well, let me - let me explain it to you.

CARVILLE: Is using (INAUDIBLE) -

EPSHTEYN: Well, listen, let me explain.

CARVILLE: Take money from rich people and give it to poor people. I'm not offended by that. I like that.

EPSHTEYN: Because it's - this is a vehicle, again, for people all over the world to gain access to the secretary of state. She signed a pledge -

CARVILLE: Right.

EPSHTEYN: She signed a pledge that when she became secretary of state, the foundation wouldn't take any foreign money. She lied again. That pledge was broken. Now she's saying that when they go - when she becomes president, which she won't, they will shut down the foundation or stop taking foreign money. You know what that is, that's a call for more bribes to come in now before she's potentially elected. That's what that is.

BANFIELD: All right.

CARVILLE: I think - I think they - I think they'll do it.

BANFIELD: (INAUDIBLE).

CARVILLE: And I think people will die. And I think a lot of people are going to have to answer for the fact that it is. I - this is a -

EPSHTEYN: (INAUDIBLE) 65,000 jobs a day giving 5,000 of -

CARVILLE: You haven't - you haven't let me finish anything but I - but I think this is like backwards talking points.

EPSHTEYN: (INAUDIBLE).

CARVILLE: This is a remarkable - this is a remarkable charity that does remarkable jobs. And I am sick that they might have to shut this thing down.

BANFIELD: I - yes, I'm interested to hear it -

EPSHTEYN: Well -

BANFIELD: Because I haven't been hearing it from the Clintons or their supporters or the surrogates. I'm fascinated to hear that you have made sort of the - the most robust argument for that. But I have not heard it from the campaign itself.

EPSHTEYN: See, they're obviously admitting there's a huge problem with the foundation.

BANFIELD: That's not - that's not what I said.

EPSHTEYN: That's why they're going to change their policies. So they're obviously admitting it.

BANFIELD: All right, you guys are amazing. I've got to have you both back.

Good luck back in Louisiana, all right. CARVILLE: All right. Good deal. Thank you so much and I appreciate it.

BANFIELD: Boris, thank you so much. Always good to see you.

And, James, always good to see you. Thank you.

CARVILLE: Thank you. You bet. Thank you so much.

BANFIELD: We expect that the president's going to land at any moment in Baton Rouge. We're counting down. About 25 minutes away or so. We're going to have full coverage of his trip to the flood damaged state.

Also ahead, tragic news out of Afghanistan. The death of a U.S. service member there. We've got the details on how it happened, who it was, coming up next.

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