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Comic Actor Gene Wilder Dies at 83; German Official: EU-U.S. Trade Talks Are Dead; Suspended Brazilian President Takes Stand; Mark Zuckerberg Meets with Pope, Prime Minister Renzi in Italy; U.S. Commercial Drone Rules Come into Effect; Obama to Meet Erdogan at G20 Summit; Hangzhou Prepares to Host G20 in China; Astronauts Complete Year-Long Isolation Exercise. Aired 4-5p ET
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[16:00:00] RICHARD QUEST, CNN ANCHOR: The Dow Jones industrials is up 109 points. Industry is ringing the closing bell. I have a good feeling about
this, gentlemen. The gavel will be the start of a good week. Go on, sir. My word, wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of him on a Friday.
Trading is over around the world. There is no major market trading on Monday, the 29th of August.
Tonight, tremendous trouble for Transatlantic trade. Germany joins France in trashing TTIP.
Mark Zuckerberg makes a new friend, of course at the Vatican. And he wore a shirt and tie.
And it's the ultimate HR exercise. The astronauts emerge from a year in isolation. I'm Richard Quest. We start an hour together. And I mean
Good evening. We'll get to our business in just a moment. We do have sad news I must bring to you this evening. The veteran comedian and the actor,
Gene Wilder, has died at the age of 83. He made his name appearing in a wide variety of comic, comedic films. Many have become absolute classics.
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GENE WILDER, ACTOR (singing): Come with me and you'll be in a world of pure imagination.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
QUEST: "Will Wonka and the Chocolate Factory," of course. He also was in "The Producers," "Young Frankenstein," and so many more. His family says
he died from complications of Alzheimer's disease. As the story progresses as we get more details, we'll bring it to you throughout the course of the
So to our business agenda. The Transatlantic trade deal is tanking. France and Germany are both warning TTIP is going down fast as the EU
insists it's not dead yet. The agreement potentially would cover the United States and the European Union. Eight-hundred million people, more
than half of the world's economic output. For more than three years, they've been negotiating TTIP. And this weekend the German economy
minister says those negotiations, bitter long, painful that they are, have come to naught.
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SIGMAR GABRIEL, GERMAN ECONOMY MINISTER (trough translator): According to my assessment, the negotiations with the United States have de facto
failed, although nobody really admits to it. And that is because having had 14 rounds of negotiations made into 27 chapters, there has not been a
single joint statement.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
QUEST: That announcement, of course, had everybody wondering if this was a common view of the other negotiating parties. The European Commission is
leading negotiations for the EU and says reports of the deal's death are greatly exaggerated. An agreement, they believe, is still possible by the
end of the year.
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MARGARITIS SCHINAS, CHIEF SPOKESMAN, EU COMMISSION: Although trade docs take time, the ball is rolling right now. And the commission is making
steady progress in the ongoing TTIP negotiations. The most recent round was held in mid-July here in Brussels. And our report from this round is
available online. Talks are now indeed entering a crucial stage as we have proposals for almost all chapters on the table, and the good sense about
the outline of the future agreement.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
QUEST: According to the commission there, you heard him say it, the ball is rolling. The only problem is exactly where is the ball rolling? And if
it's rolling anywhere, what about the roadblocks that it's rolling into? Now, let's point this out, bearing in mind of the entire nature of these
trade negotiations. Within the EU, 3.2 million people have signed a petition against the TTIP. The spokeswoman admitted the EU wouldn't sign
the deal without protections.
And then if that wasn't bad enough, more roadblocks that you have for this thing. In the United States, Donald Trump has spoken out against free
trade deals such as TTIP. And of course the TPP for the Asia pacific. Hillary Clinton has flip-flopped on the Pacific Trade Deal. And we've
really got no idea what TTIP even looks like.
Then you've got perhaps the biggest final roadblock that will go against this. The president's term is expiring.
[16:05:00] Now, there needs to be a signature for the Obama administration to then put this to a Congress for ratification. And it faces an uncertain
future with the next president. It looks unlikely to happen between now and the end of the year.
So pull this together and you have a really serious situation, whether it is the Trans-Pacific, which both candidates are against, or the TTIP, which
is still being negotiated, there seems to be absolute turmoil that either is ever going to come to fruition. The French trade minister says the U.S.
roadblocks may be insurmountable. Matthias Fekl spoke to CNN's Jim Bittermann in Paris, and says the current situation, particularly on TTIP,
MATTHIAS FEKL, FRENCH MINISTER FOR FOREIGN TRADE: It's true in Germany, the deputy chancellor said it on Sunday, it's true in France, I said it in
July, that things are not moving in the right way. And that we consider that today there is no willingness on the side of our American friends to
move on, to have a good deal.
JIM BITTERMANN, CNN SENIOR EUROPEAN CORRESPONDENT: So you put the blame on the Americans?
FEKL: I don't want to blame, it's too easy. Everybody can say it's not OK and so on. Europe has done lots of proposals on that issue. And the
Americans defend their interests quite strongly. I will not make a reproach about that. It's their job. But we're doing our job.
BITTERMANN: Too protectionist, the Americans?
FEKL: I'm afraid of it. Sometimes people think Europe is protectionist, but Europe is very open, public procurement markets are very open. It's
not the case in the U.S. So what we need is first reciprocity. And then we need to write things together for the 21st century. We need to take into
account environment issues, social issues, everything that people in Europe, but also in the U.S. want to be part their lives.
We can see, including in the U.S., that people are not happy with the way that trade agreements over the last years were negotiated, then
implemented. It sometimes led to job destruction, to difficult issues. We have to be together to write standards for tomorrow. But it's not what is
being done in these negotiations over the last months. I've been always very clear about this issue here in Europe, during my visit to the U.S.,
and all the in-depth discussions I have with my American colleagues. And so it's not a surprise that France and Germany stand side-by-side in their
analysis of how things are moving or not moving on.
And the chancellor Sigmar Gabriel, said exactly what I said in July. We are working closely about these issues and we will continue to work
closely. But we also know that in Germany there is a debate within the government and that the chancellor and Ms. Merkel is not on the same side
and does not have the same analysis than Mr. Gabriel and I.
BITTERMANN: Do you think that things are dead then, the treaty should be written off and people should move on?
FEKL: What I think is that today's situation is not acceptable. And I've always said that if things do not move in 2016, we should draw the
conclusions from that. So we will have very important discussions in September, including in Bratislava during the summit of trade ministers,
and all over the next days and weeks there will be analysis, debate. And France will stick to the position, which I defined over the last two years,
which is ambitious, which has precise criteria. If those criteria are not met, we will draw the conclusions.
QUEST: That's the French Foreign Trade Minister.
Now I need to bring you more news -- very sad news this evening we're receiving at CNN. The veteran comedian and actor Gene Wilder has died at
the age of 83. It's time for us to take a moment to remember the life and the work of such a magnificent entertainer. Nischelle Turner remembers
NISCHELLE TURNER, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): You could say it was Mel Brooks who first saw something funny in actor Gene Wilder.
His break through role as the neurotic accountant Leo Bloom in the 1968 Brooks comedy "The Producers" earned Wilder an Oscar nomination for best
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GENE WILDER, ACTOR "THE PRODUCERS": Don't Hit, don't hit. It doesn't help. It only increases my sense of danger.
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TURNER: Gene Wilder was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and caught the acting bug by doing theater. His professional relationship with Brooks was
akin to lightning in a bottle. He earned his second Oscar nod, this time for best adapted screenplay, for their parody, "Young Frankenstein." His
role as a hard drinking gunslinger in "Blazing Saddles" also helped to cement Wilder's meteoric rise to stardom.
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GENE WILDER, ACTOR, "BLAZING SADDLES": Yeah, but I shoot with this hand.
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TURNER: Perhaps the film that endeared the witty actor to many across generations is "Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory."
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GENE WILDER, ACTOR, "WILLIE WONKA AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY (singing): In a world of your imagination.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
TURNER: His private life became public with his marriage in 1984 to "Saturday Night Live" star, Gilda Radner. Sadly, after two years of
marriage Radner was diagnosed with ovarian cancer and died three years later. Wilder dealt with his grief by establishing Gilda's Club, a home
away from home for cancer patients and families. The actor teamed up with his friend, Richard Pryor, with for a string of successful comedies,
including "Silver Streak," "Stir Crazy," and "See No Evil, Hear No Evil."
By the 1990s Wilder remarried and kept his career going with various projects. However, in 1999, the performer was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin's
lymphoma. With the help of chemotherapy and stem cell transplants, Wilder, made a complete recovery. Acting took a backseat in his life and except
for a few small TV rolls, he focused his energy on writing. In 2005 he released his memoir "Kiss Me Like a Stranger: My Search for Love and Art."
Gene Wilder will be remembered for his wit and warmth and his memorable performances that were simply unforgettable.
QUEST: The wide-eyed character in "Willie Wonka" and the mad scientist in "Young Frankenstein," The boozing gun slinger in "Blazing Saddles," the
roles that Gene Wilder played are almost too many to count. Sara Sidner is in Los Angeles for us tonight. Sara, listening and just reading the
tributes, it's not unusual when someone dies, of course, that people say such lovely things, but this man seems to have been a true not only giant
in the industry but loved by all.
SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely. You of put it perfectly. A lot of sighs going out through the newsroom as well and social media
already reacting in a big way. He was beloved not just because he did these absolutely zany, memorable characters. He cracked us all up when he
was with Richard Pryor in "Stir Crazy," it makes me giggle just thinking about that movie. They were so good together.
But what we all remember him as, as children, when he played Willie Wonka. He really made Willie Wonka come to life in "Willie Wonka and the Chocolate
Factory." And I think a lot of people who are of our age, Mr. Quest, I'll call it middle age -- is that going to hurt your feelings? Everybody sort
of remembers him as a child and watching him be such magic in that movie. That's what sticks with us all. It brings us back to our childhood,
really. And I think that's why you're seeing a lot of people reacting this way. But he had some amazing roles. An almost each and every role that he
played, Richard, we remember. We can actually think of exactly what he looked like and what he acted like in all sorts of movies.
QUEST: Do we know the circumstances surrounding his passing?
SIDNER: He beat non-Hodgkin's lymphoma but he died of complications from Alzheimer's. And this is also another reason why I think a lot of people
are coming forward, because that disease is so absolutely crushing and debilitating. It really takes you away from yourself. And every one,
anyone who has had a family member or friend that has gone through it, can understand the devastation that that brings, not only to the person with
it, but to those around him. That's what he died of, is complications from Alzheimer's. Very, very sad day here in Hollywood and around the world,
really, the death of Gene Wilder.
QUEST: Sara, thank you. Please, monitor social media. Monitor what people are saying. And as we get reaction, which of course happens in the
next 15, 25 minutes, whatever, then come back to us.
And as for your comment, Ms. Sidnor, about middle age, I assure you, at my age, I take being described as middle-aged -- as Gene Wilder would find
funny -- I take it as a compliment.
QUEST: We'll be back. QUEST MEANS BUSINESS in a moment.
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GENE WILDER, ACTOR, "WILLIE WONKA AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY (singing): Come with me and you'll be in a world of pure imagination.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
[16:15:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
QUEST: On the hour, our top list of story. Where ministers now from France and Germany both say TTIP, the Transatlantic trade deal, is in
serious jeopardy. They're not quite calling it off but they're all but done it. Joining me now is Matt Gold, who served as a Deputy Assistant,
U.S. Trade representative. Now a professor at Fordham University. Good to see you, sir, thank you for joining us.
Is it your understanding -- I mean, we'll deal with the political reality of getting it through before the administration ends in a moment, but just
on the actual negotiation itself, Germany and France, you've heard both say it's going nowhere? Is that your understanding too?
MATT GOLD, FMR. DEPUTY ASSISTANT U.S. TRADE REP.: The Transatlantic talks have been the biggest trade challenge for both the United States and the
European Union, because neither party has ever seen a trade negotiator as powerful on the other side of the table for free trade talks. This has
been a frustrating process for both countries from the beginning. The real question is why are we seeing the cracks now.
QUEST: Why are we? Answer your own question, sir.
GOLD: First of all, there is a series of dynamics that occurred in the United States and it's affecting Europe as a result of the American
presidential election and as a result of the fact that the Obama administration will try to get the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement approved
by the U.S. Congress in coming months.
The dynamics are, first of all, if the U.S. Congress does not approve the Trans-Pacific Agreement, and there is a lot of prediction. I think they
have a chance, but the media is predicting that it's a small chance. And if the Trans-Pacific agreement dies in the U.S. Congress -- first of all,
nobody in Europe wants to waste the enormous amount of bandwidth, trade negotiation bandwidth, that goes on for a decade to negotiate a deal like
the Transatlantic agreement if that too is going to die in Congress.
QUEST: Related to that, let's talk about that for a second. Let's take TPP at the moment. The only hope for Trans-Pacific is the lame duck
Congress to get enough votes to ratify, since it's already been signed, between November and January. Do you believe they can get that vote
GOLD: I think they can. It's an uphill battle. But I don't think the battle's been lost yet. I think they have a chance.
QUEST: Even they both candidates or whoever wins the presidential election is going to be against what the current president is planning to do between
November and January? Some would say that's an abuse of process.
GOLD: I don't agree. I think that it's the proper role of the administration to do its job to the last day and I think it's the proper
role of Congress to do the same.
QUEST: So TPP is clearly in deep trouble. TTIP is obviously not going as well as they expected. As much as yourself, sir, I'm familiar with trade
negotiations -- not as much as yourself, I should have said. There's always a lot of jockeying for position. Is that what we're seeing with
France and Germany? Is it just bellicosity ahead of real negotiations?
GOLD: I think it's frustration. Again, the Transatlantic negotiations are going slowly because you have two very powerful partners. The United
States is used to negotiating free trade with one country or a group of countries that are acting independently. Now they're up against the
European Union, which is unified. European Union has not negotiated free trade agreements with a power like the United States. And so things are
going slowly and there's frustration.
There's also the fear that if the U.S. Congress down the road has trouble with a Transatlantic agreement, the United States might try to take two
bites of the apple. That's the other problem that occurs. If the U.S. Congress looks at a completed agreement and says well we want to change a
few things, that's a very, very frustrating process for the other countries involved.
[16:20:02] QUEST: Sir, we hope you will come back again and guide us through this labyrinth of trade talks as it goes. Good to see you, sir.
QUEST: The suspended Brazilian President, Dilma Rousseff, has made a final pitch to prove her innocence and avoid impeachment. Rousseff is accused of
doctoring accounts to patch a budget shorter fall. She told the Brazilian Senate in her trial, she's the victim of a smear campaign.
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DILMA ROUSSEFF, SUSPENDED BRAZILIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): in the face of these accusations against me in this process, I cannot stop feeling
in my mouth the sharp and bitter taste of injustice. And that's why, as in the past, I resist. Don't expect from me the silent obsequiousness to
cowards who in the past use weapons and today the judicial rhetoric that aims a new to undermining democracy and the rule of the law.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
QUEST: The final vote is expected on Tuesday. Shasta Darlington is in Brasilia. Shasta, first of all, did we hear a defense of her actions or
did we just hear her defend, if you like, her position, claiming it was a coup?
SHASTA DARLINGTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A little bit of both, Richard. She went into great detail to explain why the manipulations of the budget that
she carried out were not illegal. But this is a matter of interpretation. As we've talked about before. In the end this is a political trial. This
isn't a criminal court. Her peers, or the Senators, will decide whether or not a crime was committed.
So she did lay out her argument, her defense has in the past. But anybody you talk to will say, there is a huge political component to this. We
spoke a short while ago to the Senator, Cristovam Buarque, for example. He's a left winger, not from the Workers Party, but he said, "What it comes
down to is that she could no longer govern this country." And I asked him, well isn't that then getting rid of her on a technicality? He said, no,
she broke laws. But the question is, where they really impeachable offences, Richard? And it just depends on who you ask.
QUEST: Ok. So the question then. In terms of the voting numbers when they do vote, there has to be a super majority. It's not a simple
majority. Does that favor -- normally the requirement of a super majority favors the defendant because obviously you can pick off a couple of people
on the way.
DARLINGTON: Not in this case, Richard. Remember, back in May, when the Senate voted to suspend her. They only needed 50 percent. In the end they
got the two-thirds back then. And it's widely expected that that same two- thirds will vote to impeach her this time around. Especially because her vice president, Michel Temer, one of the people she accuses of sort of
working behind the scenes to oust her, he has set up a temporary government. He got rid of her ministers, put in his ministers. The
markets liked that. He has a plan going forward, you may or may not like it, but he's already got the wheels in motion. And it's pretty much
expected that those wheels will continue in motion and this is a foregone conclusion. She's not coming back, Richard.
QUEST: We never want to predict, but that's your gut feeling, is it, Shasta? Don't worry, I won't play it back to you on Tuesday night or
whatever. It's your gut feeling, and from those you're talking to, that they will get the two-thirds. She will be impeached and she will be
DARLINGTON: That is indeed my gut feeling. When you look at the polls of Senators, those who go on the record, they still don't have that two-
thirds. But there's a large chunk that won't go on the record about how they're going to vote, those I guess you could call them the swing voters,
are expected to at the very last minute fall in line in favor of the impeachment. Which means, of course, she would be barred from office for
eight years. Remember, she was never elected to office before she came president. It was really the backing of the former president Luiz Inacio
Lula da Silva, who was extremely popular, who handpicked her to replace him, that got her into office in the first place. She isn't a seasoned
politician. She's more of a technocrat. Where she'll go from here is anyone's guess. I don't expect to see her back in elected office, Richard.
QUEST: Shasta, you've got work to do, we'll let you get back to your news- gathering duties, we appreciate it. Shasta Darlington, as always for us keeping us up to date on matters in Brazil.
Continuing with straining goings-on in government, South Africa's finance minister could be charged with corruption this week, according to media
reports in South Africa. Goldman Sachs is warning that if the minister, Pravin Gordhan, who has been on the program many times, if he arrested, the
country's credit rating will be cut and the rand would buckle. David McKenzie is in Johannesburg. David, we need to take this point by point
and we need to take it slowly.
[16:25:00] The accusations against Pravin Gordhan, are they justified or are they trumped up?
DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, many people say they're trumped up, Richard. Because if you take a look at those accusations, if you read
them carefully, what they say is two things. One, that the respected finance minister while he was in charge of the tax authority here in South
Africa, presided over the formation of an investigative group. Which they say, spied on people and they weren't allowed to do that. The other
accusation -- and I'm not kidding here, Richard -- is that he gave early retirement to one of those people at that tax authority. Both of these
accusations Pravin Gordhan says are ridiculous, that he didn't break the law. They wanted to hold them in front of the special investigation group
last week. He says he won't because he's done nothing wrong and that the South African economy should come first.
QUEST: Now Jacob Zuma or at least allies to the president are said to be behind this character attack on Pravin Gordhan. But here's my question,
David. What advantage does puma get if Gordhan falls? Bearing in mind the wreckage that will happen to markets and the economy because he's so well-
MCKENZIE: Well, let's start with the wreckage first. Yes, it would be a catastrophe for the South African economy. The rand will plummet,
according to all economists I've spoken to. You would see a repeat of the situation, probably worse, though, than what happened when President Zuma
fired another respected minister last year. You would see investment outlook be terrible for this country, and you probably will see South
Africa moving into that expected recession and a ratings downgrade.
So why on earth would they be pursuing these charges, many people say trumped-up, against Pravin Gordhan? The theory is that while the country
would suffer, the president and his allies might gain because they want to take direct control over the treasury and in particular push through some
deals with the South African national carrier SAA, and with proposed nuclear deals for Russia that have both been held back by the treasury
because of questions over them. I have to say, through all of this, Jacob Zuma repeatedly says he has full confidence in Pravin Gordhan and that he
cannot intervene in the work of an investigative authority and the national prosecuting authority, Richard.
Like Shasta in Brasilia, in Johannesburg, David, you have your work cut out for you in the next few days, come back and report when there's more to
tell us about this story. We're following it very closely on QUEST MEANS BUSINESS. Thank you, David McKenzie for us tonight.
As we continue our nightly conversation on business and economics, think of it as a gift, literally fit for a Pope. Mark Zuckerberg tours the Vatican
and gives his holiness a drone.
[16:30:35] QUEST: Hello, I'm Richard Quest. There's more QUEST MEANS BUSINESS in just a moment. When six scientists, are back in the real world
after spending a year in isolation.
And the sky is the limit for drone companies in the United States, cleared for commercial use. Before we get to those stories, this is CNN, and on
this network, the news always comes first.
Suspended Brazilian president Dilma Rousseff has testified on her impeachment trial in Brazil's Senate. She's accused of manipulating the
government budget ahead of her 2014 reelection. The former president denies wrongdoing and said she'll fight for democracy and truth. A final
Senate vote is expected on Tuesday.
Several French mayors are refusing to drop the city's ban on burkinis even after France's higher court has struck down the bans. The former French
President Nicolas Sarkozy, who is now running for reelection next year, says the country needs a new law on swim suits.
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NICOLAS SARKOZY, FORMER FRENCH PRESIDENT (through translator): I call today for a law because we can't leave mayors facing a situation on their
own. A law which would ban the Islamic swim suit or burkini. I'm not sure how to call it. A law which would specifically target the wearing of
burkinis on beaches and swimming pools. Because they're women. What will be the next step, what will we be asked for, different access hours?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
QUEST: A man suspected of being China's Jack the Ripper is now in custody. They say the 52-year-old suspect confess to raping and murdering 11 people
over a 15-year people. They say he targeted young women dressed in red before killing them.
Comedy legend Gene Wilder has passed away at the age of 83. He shot to fame after the string of hits collaborating with Mel Brooks in the 1970s
The statesman of Silicon Valley. That's the role Mark Zuckerberg seems to be carving out for himself. The Facebook chief executive is currently
touring Italy, meeting separately with the Prime Minister Renzi and Pope Francis. The Vatican said the Pontiff and the programmer spoke about how
to use communications technology to alleviate poverty and deliver messages of hope. Now, Pope Francis, a man who is quite familiar with technology in
many ways, he's using technologies in a way that his predecessors could not have imagined. When the pope joined Instagram in March, Zuckerberg was
quick to write a post welcoming him.
Look, "Welcome to Instagram, Pope Francis. No matter what faith you practice, we can all be inspired..." you get the idea. The Pope praying on
Instagram. Now while Zuckerberg might have made a new friend today at the Vatican, he can't add him as a friend on his own website. The leader of
the world's 1.2 billion Catholics isn't amongst the 1.7 billion people who use Facebook, or at least not yet.
When Zuckerberg posted a photo of their meeting today, he wrote, "We told him how much we admire his message of mercy and tenderness and how he's
found new ways to communicate with people of every faith around the world." Without an account, Zuckerberg, "Sorry, your holiness," he couldn't tag him
in the comment.
Samuel Burke is in London for us tonight. Samuel, look, there were two things here. We can talk about the Pope in just a second. But it's really
about Zuckerberg. What is Zuckerberg up to when he does all these things like going to see the Pope, giving him a drone. Trying to play the elder
statesman or the younger statesman of Silicon Valley?
SAMUEL BURKE, CNNMONEY BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: He is reshaping the role of the CEO. I was thinking back to when I was growing up.
[16:35:00] I didn't know who the CEO of General Electric or Ford was. But now so many people growing up know who Steve Jobs was, who Tim Cook is, who
Mark Zuckerberg is. But some of the cynics out there, Richard, thought maybe he's trying to get in Europe's good books. Remember, Apple, Google,
Amazon, are all facing very tough situations with the tech community here in the European Union. And some people think it might just be good for
Facebook to be on the good side of the European Union if you want to look at it that way.
QUEST: But I can arguably say, I mean, I don't wish to be disrespectful to Mr. Zuckerberg, but who elected him to anything? He came up with a good
idea and a couple of billion people are using it. But that's not the same thing as having great thoughts on public policy or indeed having regular
press conferences which you have to defend your position.
BURKE: Well, I thin just as much as he'd like to be seen with all these leaders from the Pope to the Prime Minister, I think they want to be seen
with him as well. The Prime Minister of Italy was talking to him about technology and jobs created by technology and given the youth unemployment
that we see in Italy, I think it certainly doesn't hurt the prime minister to try and encourage those jobs and see what can be created there. And on
the other hand, this is part of Mark Zuckerberg. It's not just in Italy. I remember following the president of China around Seattle and then Mark
Zuckerberg shows up. He wants to have this type of role where he's seen not just a CEO but also the community leader.
QUEST: Right, but if you take, for example, Bill Gates, and I covered -- I'm a year or two older than you -- I covered Bill Gates' transition from
Microsoft to philanthropist to elder statesman to world leader in that sense. He did enmesh himself in public policy issues and would talk
controversially about them in the same way that Warren Buffet does so. Is Zuckerberg prepared to break eggs to make the omelet?
BURKE: And I think he's actually picked up a page from Bill Gates' book. Bill Gates has influenced him to already donate all of his money, he says
he'll donate at some point. But I think he's willing to push that political edge in the way that Bill Gates is as well. Remember back at the
Facebook developers conference in April, Richard, he came out very clearly and took a swipe at Donald Trump. He said, I hear fearful voices calling
for building walls and distancing people they label as others. To your point, I think he's willing to take some political risks here as he pushes
the envelope just a tad.
QUEST: All right, Samuel Burke who is in London and staying up late for us tonight. We thank you for that, Samuel, good to see you.
As we continue, hark, what is that noise I hear? Is it a bird? Is it a plane? What is that noise?
[16:40:00] QUEST: The skies are open for business in the United States. New federal rules governing commercial use of drones have now come into
effect. It means drones can be used for things like crop monitoring, filmmaking and firefighting. There's a whole raft of regulations. But at
least the principle is now established that you can use drones for these commercial operations.
For instance, in New Zealand they are going to be used for something arguably more significant, pizza delivery. Now imagine this. Look at
this. Domino's is working with the American drone company Flirty. And you see that's one way of doing it. Now, we don't live in New Zealand, but we
decided to give you an idea of exactly what a drone delivery by pizza might actually look like. There we go. Out it comes. The drone continues. You
get your pizza box out of the way. Or maybe just take the pizza straight out and be done with it. Oh, look, there's actually a real slice of pizza
in this. I shudder to think how awful it must be tasting after all this time.
And if you want to know how all this was done. We couldn't afford the drone, so we have you instead. Welcome on board. The truth is the last
time we flew a drone in the studio, I nearly got fired. And I was not about to take the risk again. Rene Marsh is in Washington for us this
evening. Rene, no pizza for you, even though it is tantalizingly at mouth level. Keep going, see if you can get it. We'll place it over.
RENE MARSH, CNN AVIATION AND REGULATION CORRESPONDENT: There it is.
QUEST: Rene, quick question. How do these new rules come into effect and what will they actually mean?
MARSH: Richard, as you know, this is a huge milestone in aviation. We're talking about opening up the national airspace to hundreds of thousands of
unmanned drones. So essentially what happened today is that these official rules went into effect, so businesses that want to use or operate drones,
they have a framework of rules to follow.
Today it also became a lot easier for anyone who wants to fly drones commercially to get the certified by the FAA. They can now just take a
test instead of needing a pilot's license in order to fly. The Federal Aviation Administration or the FAA they are guesstimating there will be
some 600,000 drones to be used commercially just within a year.
Of course there are those restrictions. You still cannot fly beyond the line of sight. No flights over people. And they also are not allowed to
fly near airports or above 400 feet. But this is huge in the sense that now all of these businesses who have an interest in using it, they will be
able to do that. They'll have rules to follow. And so this is major as far as integrating these drones into the airspace and doing it safely.
QUEST: We remember, the last Christmas or the Christmas before, new rules came in that you had to register your drone. And register yourself. Is it
your feeling, having covered this for some time, that what we're looking at is sensible regulation that will take time to bed down?
MARSH: You know, here's the thing. I get the feeling, and we all know this is the deal here as far as regulators go. This technology is so far
out ahead of the regulation on the books. So what they've announced today and what went into effect today is only the beginning. It's the
foundation. They will continue to build on top of this regulation here. Because there are a lot of companies, despite the announcement today, who
say this isn't enough, we want more. In order to have the deliveries that you're showing there, the regulators essentially have to expand this a
little more. They have to say, that, you know what, if you're a commercial business and you want to operate a drone, you can do it without it being in
your line of sight, you can fly over people. Regulators aren't quite there yet. So call this a small step in the direction that companies want, but
we're not totally there yet.
QUEST: Rene, thank you. Pizza arrives by tea time. Thank you.
MARSH: Thank you.
QUEST: Now the U.S. president is to meet his Turkish counterpart. They are going to hold formal talks. It's at next week's G20 meeting. That
takes place in China. It'll be the first meeting between the two presidents since the attempted coup in Turkey last month. It's also the
first time that China will host the G20. As Andrew Stevens now explains, the government is keeping tight control over what the world gets to see.
[16:45:00] ANDREW STEVENS, CNNMONEY, ASIA-PACIFIC EDITOR: Hangzhou, one of the seven ancient capitals of China. It's historic west lake a source of
inspiration for poets and painters for centuries. Now the centerpiece of the G20 summit hosted for the first time by China. World leaders will be
cocooned here in the exclusive villas and hotels that dot the lake perhaps seeking their own inspiration in an uncertain economic landscape.
But Beijing also wants to show Hangzhou as the face of a new China. This is a China that's home to giant online companies, like Alibaba, founded
here in the city 17 years ago by Jack Ma. The success of Alibaba has led to an explosion of online service companies which is providing a powerful
new economic growth model.
Young entrepreneurs from around the country are flocking here, attracted by the online companies of the new economy that cluster here. Literally
hundreds of thousands of e-commerce companies now operate out of Hangzhou, taking advantage of generous funding and tax breaks and a well-developed
infrastructure. While China's economy slows, this city of 9 million booms.
GDP growth was 10.2 percent for the first half of the year. Nationally, growth was less than 7 percent. Zhejiang province of which Hangzhou is the
capital is now the richest in the country. It is not just the new economy.
Hangzhou-based automaker Geely is also shaking off its image as manufacturer of affordable cars with a new strategy of building what it
calls refined cars to compete against foreign brands like VW and GM. Six years ago, Geely bought Volvo, and they're helping to rework the Geely
products. It all dovetails with President Xi Jinping's vision of remaking China's economy, dumping the low-end manufacturing export and investment
model for innovation, ecommerce and services led growth.
Hangzhou has become a poster child for Xi Jinping's big idea, the new China that the president wants the world to see. As modern as it is, it remains
a city steeped in history. Its peak may have been more than a thousand years ago, but right now it's back at the forefront of China's development,
it's 21st century future. Andrew Stevens, CNN, Hangzhou, China.
QUEST: I've got a thought for you. Imagine spending 365 days in Hawaii but never getting near the beach? It was part of a simulation of deep
space isolation, we'll talk about it after the break when give you a chance to cogitate, make, create, innovate.
QUEST: I promised you earlier we would get to the tribute to comedy legend Gene Wilder who has died at the age of 83.
[16:50:00] Sara Sidner, thanks for coming back to us so promptly. Who has been saying what?
SARAH SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The first person out of the box is Mel Brooks himself. The two were great friends but they were also magic
together. Here is what he writes, "Gene Wilder, one of the truly great talents of our time. He blessed every film we did with his magic and he
blessed me with his friendship."
And you can see there already 21,000 likes, 17,000 retweets. People are responding to him saying, so sorry for your loss, we will miss him so, so
much. There are so many people that are affected by this. And again, it's because a lot of us remember him when we were children. But he did so many
great movies, it's hard to pick just one that you adored, because he was such a zany, memorable character in each and every movie that he took part
in. And a lot of those were with his pal, Mel Brooks.
QUEST: Sara Sidner, please come back when there is more to tell us.
Think of it as the ultimate big brother experiment, the big brother house for scientists. There were six of them and there were 365 days, almost no
contact outside. A group of astronauts completed the year-long simulation of what it would be like to spend a year on Mars. 365 days together in a
simulator in Hawaii. Today, they came out of that simulator.
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UNIDENTIFIED SCIENTISTS: Three, two, one -- come on.
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QUEST: The crew have not seen another soul for an entire year. A restricted internet connection was their only link to the outside world.
The whole point was to see how astronauts cope with isolation. The former astronaut Michael Massimino joins me now. Michael, you've obviously heard
things about this. As an astronaut yourself, what would have been the biggest challenge?
MICHAEL MASSIMINO, FORMER ASTRONAUT: Just to be clear, I don't think any of those people were astronauts. I think those were volunteers for science
experiments. They weren't actually astronauts who were in there. It's hard to go to space and practice.
When you go to space, you have to be full up and ready to go. You have to train on the ground, on earth. We call these different types of events
analogs, analogs to space travel to get you ready. By putting people in a closed environment for that long, you learn about what they need to be
efficient, what they need to be able to do their work. Part of it is kind of like how to keep people active and productive, but a lot of it is going
to be the social interaction and what they need to keep morale up.
QUEST: We've seen "big brother," which I agree, you tend to take a group of dysfunctional people and put them in a house and add a touch of sex and
maybe a bit of booze and you have lively television. But what's to stop this sort of environment turning into the "big brother" house in the sense
that you have six humans who have to interact for a year with no one else?
MASSIMINO: I'm not that familiar with the "big brother" house, but I can imagine what you're talking about. First of all, you don't allow booze.
No, just kidding, you might do that. But really what you want to do is you want to pick the right people to go.
NASA spends a lot of time, if people are going to go and do a mars mission, NASA will spend a lot of time or whoever sends them will spend a lot of
time making sure these people are qualified both professionally and also personally to make sure they work as a team and get along.
The other thing is to have contact. You said they had a murky internet connection. It's very important to remain in contact with your family and
friends and to try to have a semblance of a normal life while you are up there, have days off, celebrate holidays and so on.
So I think a combination of things plus what they're going to learn, what we have learned in the past at the international space station. We've had
Scott Kelly just came back after a year in space. Putting these things together will get us ready for Mars.
QUEST: Finally, briefly, look I'm in my mid-50s. Do you think in my lifetime we're going to see a mission to Mars?
MASSIMINO: Well, we're the same age. I just turned 54. So I hope so. I really hope so. I don't see any reason why we're not going to be able to
do it. Hopefully if you and I live long enough, maybe another 50 years. I don't know who's going to do it but I expect to be there.
QUEST: Assuming age was no barrier for the purposes of this question, I've gotten your ticket, you're on that first trip. Are you going?
MASSIMINO: I'll go on the trip but I'm not going to live in that hut they were living in for a year in Hawaii. I don't want to do that to get ready.
But I'll go on the trip. Going to come with me?
QUEST: If there's a first class seat in the front, I'm not going economy.
[16:55:00] Thank you, sir. Think of the air miles of a trip to Mars, I would re-qualify for gold.
MASSIMINO: You might have to negotiate that. They may not give those to you. I didn't get those for my space flight, no frequent flier miles.
QUEST: Good to see you, sir, thank you for joining us.
We'll have a profitable moment after the break.
QUEST: Tonight's profitable moment. Germany and now France have spoken the truth that dare not speak its name. TTIP, the Transatlantic Trade and
Investment Partnership is well and truly in trouble. This monolithic, vast trade treaty between the United States and Europe that's taken three years
so far to get not very far, looks like it's going down fast. And the deadline is crucial.
They've got to get something done before President Obama leaves office, otherwise either the new President Clinton or the new President Trump are
unlikely to take it any further. TTIP and TPP, these two trade treaties, are in deep trouble, and we should not be surprised. Remember, the WTO was
unable to complete the Dohar around these vast trade negotiations are simply not part of today's global economy.
Now, that's QUEST MEANS BUSINESS for tonight. I'm Richard Quest in New York. Whatever you're up to in the hours ahead, I hope it's profitable.
I'll see you tomorrow.