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AT THIS HOUR WITH BERMAN AND MICHAELA
Veteran Supports Kaepernick in National Anthem Protest; Leak: Trump Campaign Got Questions Prior to Black Church Members' Interview; "Unfinished Business, The Essential Hillary Clinton" Sneak Preview; "All Business, The Essential Donald Trump" Sneak Preview. Aired 11:30- 12p ET
Aired September 2, 2016 - 11:30 ET
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[11:30:30] JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: San Francisco quarterback Colin Kaepernick walked out on to the field last night and this is what he heard.
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BERMAN: Those, of course, are boos for the 49ers quarterback. But he continued his protest. This was a game actually that honored military service members. Kaepernick, not alone in his protest. As the anthem played, another player, Eric Reid, joined him. Former NFL player and Army veteran, Nate Boyer, stood next to Kaepernick to show his support. Kaepernick says he's protesting against racial injustice in policing and his refusal to stand for the anthem, he says, is not anti-American.
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COLIN KAEPERNICK, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS QUARTERBACK, FORMER NFL PLAYER & ARMY VETERAN: I think it's a misunderstanding, you know, the media painted this as anti-American, anti-men and women of the military, and that's not the case at all. You know, I realize that men and women of the military go out and sacrifice their lives and put theirselves in harm way for my freedom of speech and my freedoms in this country and my freedom to take a seat or take a knee.
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BERMAN: All right, my next guest, retired Army Ranger Rory Fanning supports Colin Kaepernick. He tweeted out this picture, saying, quote, "Sitting with Colin during the national anthem at the Cubs game, veterans for Kaepernick was the top trending hash tag on Twitter."
Rory Fanning now joining us live.
Rory, thanks so much for being with us. After you held up that sign that said "Veterans for Kaepernick" and
after you refused to stand for the national anthem, what was the response?
RORY FANNING, RETIRED ARMY RANGER: I thought it was going to be worse than it was, possibly being thrown out of the game, but none of that happened. I was the only person who was standing but there was surprisingly little pushback.
BERMAN: You said even before Kaepernick began his protest that you, even as a former Army Ranger, you were having a hard type standing during the national anthem, why?
FANNING: I signed up to go fight for freedom and democracy. What I saw when I was in Afghanistan is that we're doing anything but. We are -- we've killed one million people since 9/11, the vast majority being civilians. I came home to see that we have the largest prison population in the history of the world. Only Stalin's Russia comes close. The NSA monitors every single e-mail and phone call. And, you know, we choose to bail Wall Street bankers as opposed to funding public education. This is far from a free country. And I think anybody who puts their hand over their heart and claim that it is, is lying to themselves. I think Colin Kaepernick is choosing not to lie to himself or the people who actually fought to make sure that this is a free country.
BERMAN: Just one point. I don't think the NSA monitors every e-mail and phone call but I understand your concern about NSA surveillance. Your protest goes far beyond Colin Kaepernick's. Colin Kaepernick says he's protesting injustice in policing. You seem to have grievances that go far beyond that.
FANNING: Yeah, I mean, I want to live in a free country. And this is not a free country.
FANNING: We had 1,200 police murders last year. We had 1,200 police murders last year with zero convictions. You know, tell Freddie Gray's parents this is a free country when not one person was indicted for his murder. Tell Alton Sterling's parents this is a free country. It's not.
BERMAN: Look, to me -- you're getting into a debate over freedom and democracy. Let me ask one question first and I'll get to another question here.
BERMAN: Colin Kaepernick also, we saw the socks that Colin Kaepernick had been wearing with the pictures of pigs as policemen. How is that not doing some of the things that Colin Kaepernick is protesting against, grouping all police officers as pigs, which is a slur? That's a derogatory slur indicting all police officers, isn't it?
FANNING: We live in a country that has the largest prison population in the history of the world. 1,200 people were killed by the police last year and we want to talk about socks. But, yes, the people who killed Freddie Gray --
BERMAN: Well, look, look, look, look.
BERMAN: Colin Kaepernick --
BERMAN: We're not arguing about sock. Rory, hang on a second. We're not arguing just about socks here. We have talked about what Colin Kaepernick has stood up for and his right to do so. We have talked about the issues that you are protesting against. Colin Kaepernick has put himself in the middle of this discussion about policing right now, and he was wearing those socks, which are seen by many as offensive. The socks were part of the larger discussion here. It's not like we're having a sartorial discussion about fashion.
[11:35:] FANNING: People are looking for some kind of Kumbaya moment here. This is about accountability. This is about justice. And, yes, the people who killed Freddie Gray and who weren't held accountable, the people who killed the 1,200 U.S. citizens and weren't held accountable, are pigs. And the people who are covering for them, to include the media and politicians, are pigs, too.
BERMAN: Are all police pigs, Rory?
FANNING: I think if a lot of people -- a lot of police have very good intentions. But if you're supporting this current police state, then you are on the wrong side of history. We really need to start pushing back against this.
BERMAN: All right, Rory Fanning --
FANNING: To include members of the media.
BERMAN: -- thank you for coming on and airing your views. Appreciate your time, sir.
FANNING: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
BERMAN: All right, a leaked transcript now, leaked questions. It's not really a transcript. It was questions that a pastor said he wanted to ask Donald Trump. The Trump campaign coming up with the scripted answers. Getting a lot of attention. We'll discuss.
[11:40:42] BERMAN: All right, Donald Trump heads to Detroit tomorrow where he will meet with African-Americans at a church inside that city. He will also sit down for an interview. This is drawing a little bit of controversy. Why? Well, because the church sent Donald Trump, the Trump campaign some of the questions first, and the Trump campaign came up with possible answers, and it all got leaked and printed in "The New York Times." Does that matter?
We'll discuss. Joining us now is Pastor James Davis, of New Spirit Revival Center, a Donald Trump supporter; and Basil Smikle, executive director for the New York State Democratic party.
Pastor, I want to start with you, with the latest facts on the ground, as they were. Donald Trump is having some trouble with the African- American community. The latest poll, Hillary Clinton's at 87 percent support. Jill Stein, of the Green Party, at 4 percent. Gary Johnson, Libertarian, at 4 percent. Donald Trump, in last place, at 2 percent. Why would that number change now?
JAMES DAVIS, PASTOR, NEW SPIRIT REVIVAL CENTER & TRUMP SUPPORTER: I believe that Mr. Trump's message is resonating and some of the poll -- again, we run into this all the time, even with our own members and constituencies, in that people are somewhat afraid of the backlash of coming out in public support of Mr. Trump. I believe there's a bit of an undercurrent. Now that he's come out and he's deliberately pointed his message in the direction of African-Americans or black people, they're starting to hear it. I believe that's the reason we have the hoopla now because he is going in a direct fashion in making these -- his announcement to them that he's for us and he's for our communities.
BERMAN: He has been speaking in a fairly direct fashion. He said things like, you know, "What do you have to lose" by voting for me. He said, among other things, that African-Americans are walking down the street, they're getting shot. Now, this transcript is back and forth, the proposed questions and answers that were leaked here. One of the questions that was going to be asked, we don't know if it will be, but perhaps by the preacher that's going to interview him this weekend, is, was, "Donald Trump, you know, people have seen you as a racist, why is this, and how will you prove that you're not." His answer, or the answer his campaign proposed is, "The proof, as they say, will be in the pudding. Coming into a community is meaningless unless we can offer an alternative to the horrible progressive agenda that has perpetuated a permanent underclass in America."
That answer is different than the "what have you got to lose," different than "African-Americans are walking down the street getting shot." Do you think he's tempering his message?
BASIL SMIKLE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, NEW YORK STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY: Not at all. Listen, Donald Trump going -- Donald Trump right now is appropriating a powerful symbol of economic and political justice in the African-American community by this -- what I would call laughable attempt at engagement. The fact of the matter is that previously he has thrown up every single black stereotype that you could muster to talk about engagement of the African-American community. With respect to, for example, some of his comments about violence, he hasn't talked about gun violence in communities of color, even as he tweeted about Dwyane Wade relative's getting shot. Instead, he wraps himself in the arms the NRA. So to me, I don't see what engagement he's going to go to Detroit and discuss because it will be just more of the -- more of the same like we saw with immigration, the consistent flip-flop and --
BERMAN: Pastor, is that you speaking.
DAVIS: If I can jump in. I believe that, again, what he's bringing up is that he is the antithesis of what's going on right now. The reason we have all this gun violence is the liberal politics and liberal stance is what we've got for the last 50 years. Now he's saying I'm the opposite of that, what do you have to lose. Now, is our community a monolith? Does everybody live in a stereotypical ghetto? No, that's not the case. But he's addressing what you are addressing or what they're saying that needs to be addressed, and that is gun violence and poverty and such and, as a result, he has tempered his message to those problems.
SMIKLE: First of all, I think what we also need -- what we need to acknowledge is the fact that Hillary Clinton, for example, has engaged communities of color. She's worked with members of the clergy to find ways to engage those communities in economic development, small businesses, and helping young African-Americans and Latinos transition from high school to college. That's what we need to be hearing from Donald Trump. As yet, we have not heard that. We have just heard more racial stereotyping.
[11:45:16] BERMAN: All right, guys. I've got to run. Thank you so much for being with us.
I have to go because we're getting some breaking news. Word of an explosion at a market in the Philippines. Multiple casualties, we're told. Multiple casualties, crews now racing to the scene. We're getting more information. We're going to go to break. We'll bring it to you when we come back.
BERMAN: Big night Monday on CNN. Two special reports getting in- depth and personal with the presidential candidates. "Unfinished Business, the Essential Hillary Clinton, looks at the highs and lows of the political career of Hillary Clinton. Our Pamela Brown sat down with the former secretary and asked about the particularly hard times she faced as first lady.
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PAMELA BROWN, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: How difficult was it to go through something so private, so personal, under the glare of the spotlight as the first lady?
[11:50:00] HILLARY CLINTON, (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It was really hard. It was painful. And I was so supported by my friends. My friends just rallied around. They would come. They would try to make me laugh. They would recommend books to read. We'd go for long walks. We'd hang out, eat bad food, just the kinds of things you do with your friends. And it was something you just had to get up everyday and try to deal with while still carrying on a public set of responsibilities. So it was very, very challenging.
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BERMAN: Still tough for her to talk about this period.
CNN justice correspondent, Pamela Brown, joins me now.
Pamela, they say she is too scripted out, that we don't really get to see the real Hillary Clinton. You got to spend some time with her and talk about what matters to her and what's personal. What did she have to say?
BROWN: This was really a different side of Hillary Clinton that many people don't need to see. She was very open, engaging and acceptable. Nothing was off limits, as you saw her talking about the difficult time after the Monica Lewinsky revelations broke and her husband was going to be impeached. She talked about how difficult that time was. She talked about raising Chelsea in the White House, trying to keep her grounded. We talked e-mails, trust, Benghazi. She responded to everything, John. At one moment, she acknowledged that she does have -- there is a perception that she's scripted, her critics say she's scripted, robotic. At one moment, I was asking her about that moment and the 2008 dinner during the presidential campaign where she got emotional. It was a turning point. She said it was really defining for her. I said, tot he effect, well, you're human and humans have emotions. She said, well, you think? That's really the best-kept secret that I'm human. She sort of poked fun at the fact that there is the perception. But I think people will be surprised to see this personal side of her, as you see her respond to these questions.
BERMAN: All right. Pamela Brown, thanks so much.
The other side, Donald Trump, long before he became the Republican nominee, Donald Trump was known as a real estate developer here in New York City with a pension for gold lettering and tall buildings. So was it like growing up Trump?
Our Gloria Borger asks daughter, Ivanka.
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GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: How about when you brought home a date or a boyfriend.
IVANKA TRUMP, DAUGHTER OF DONALD TRUMP: I was too smart to bring home a date or a boyfriend.
I think I brought home my husband, that's it.
IVANKA TRUMP: He was my husband when I brought him home, but I was not going to subject boyfriends to the scrutiny of my father, or mother, for that matter unless I was 100 percent sure. (END VIDEO CLIP)
BERMAN: The man she did bring home, her husband is basically running the Trump campaign. "All Business, The Essential Donald Trump," is hosted by CNN's chief political analyst, Gloria Borger.
The Trump children very involved in this campaign.
BORGER: Hugely. Not only are they his most effective surrogates, but they're running the campaign in many ways. Ivanka's husband that she spoke about is somebody who is very involved on a day-to-day level.
BERMAN: That's an understatement.
BORGER: Travels with the candidates. So you have the official campaign team, Kellyanne Conway, et cetera, which rotates, seems to be changing, but the family is the one constant. And that's what we learn about in this -- in this documentary, which is that his children are completely devoted to him, through thick and through thin, even though they have had a tough life. You know, they are Ivana Trump's children, too. There was a very public divorce, which was the subject of tabloid fodder, which we talk about in this documentary. So the children did not have an easy time growing up Trump, but they remained devoted to their father.
BERMAN: I loved her answer, "I was too smart to bring a boy home." That's the kind of answer a person would give. That's what I would say. And Jared Kushner just obviously very involved in the trip to Mexico as well, her husband. So the Trump kids super involved.
Can't wait to see the special Monday night.
Gloria Borger, thanks so much.
BERMAN: Do not miss the CNN special reports, "The Essential Hillary Clinton" and "the Essential Donald Trump," Monday night, starting at 8:00 eastern, on CNN.
[11:54:34] The former Stanford athlete sentence to six months for rape, just six months, some people say, is now a free man. That is Brock Turner, who walked out of jail a short time ago after serving half of his sentence. We are going to talk about new criticism. That's coming up.
BERMAN: All right. The "CNN Hero" this week is introducing students from high poverty neighborhoods in San Diego to a possible career science.
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UNIDENTIFIED CNN HERO: These are barnacles and they attach with their heads. You can set a challenging engineering and mathematics all through studying the ocean. This is a career field that students from very diverse communities don't pursue, and our students are pursuing them at unprecedented rates.
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BERMAN: All right. To find out more, go to CNN/heroes.com. Nominations close on Monday night.
Thank you all for joining us AT THIS HOUR.
"Legal View" with Ashleigh Banfield starts now.
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