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Aired September 04, 2016 - 15:00   ET

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[15:00:00] RUDY GUILIANI, FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK: ... beaches, after we secure the border. And after we remove the criminal illegal immigrants to a large extent, you'll never get to 100 percent. Then, and only then, can we look at this in a very rational way in which we can look at all of the options and be open to all the options.

JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR: And he doesn't want to separate families as you say?

GUILIANI: Well, I would say that would be one of the things that would be pretty clear. There are other options too. I mean, it's going to depend on the person. I mean, some of these people could be on welfare for the last 30 years or taking benefits or cheating. And maybe some of them have to be thrown out, but not necessarily all of them, and that's the point that he was making in the speech.

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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: All right. CNN White House Producer Kristen Holmes is following that story and joins us now from Washington. Kristen?

KRISTEN HOLMES, CNN WHITE HOUSE PRODUCER: Well, you know, there certainly is a lot of ambiguity around Trump's immigration policy, specifically the issue of, as we heard, mass deportations. And campaign officials out their today, not offering any, or much, if any, clarity on what his exactly his stance is on these mass deportations.

So, what we do know is that, Donald Trump has said that any undocumented immigrant with a criminal record will be deported immediately, so we have that. Then, any undocumented immigrant seeking citizenship to the United States should leave and then reapply to reenter and to gain that citizenship. Now, where does that leave the millions of undocumented immigrants who live and work here that, you know, that Trump has said in the past should be deported. What happens to them?

Now, we've taken a step back. And the question today remained -- no one really seemed to offer a solid answer to that. We had the vice presidential candidate, Mike Pence, on Meet the Press this morning asked over and over again, will there be mass deportations? What will happen to these millions of undocumented immigrants living in the U.S.? No answer there.

We heard him kick the can down the road saying that as we've heard Donald Trump say we'll work with Congress. We'll see who's left after all of these -- all of these enforcements have taken place. You know, so not quite answering the question.

Again, in a separate interview campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, asked the same question, will there be mass deportations? What will happen to these undocumented immigrants? Again, not directly answering saying, "We'll see down the road after all of this has taken place, after a wall has been built, what will happen.

Now, of course, we did hear from Mayor Giuliani on State of the Union with Jake Tapper telling him, as we heard just now, that Trump was not for mass deportation. However, just following that interview Jake talked to Senator Flake of Arizona, a Republican, who has been a critic of Donald Trump. And he said he heard a different message on Wednesday. Let's take a listen.

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SENATOR JEFF FLAKE, (R) ARIZONA: Well, if I was there, it was pretty deep. And, no, I didn't catch it. There was just a statement that you're going back. And think about for a bit, if you have 11 million who are undocumented, you know a lot of those are children who are brought across the border when they were two years old say. What he is saying is that, they would all have to go back or this is what I heard. And then, that they would perhaps be able to comeback here in the future. But if there aren't visa categories to accept those who have been deported, then they wouldn't be able to come back. Or, they would have to remain out for a long period of time until some, I guess, some vague talk of a commission would create a visa category for them to come back.

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HOLMES: Now, of course, you know, as we've seen before, as we've mentioned before, there are a lot of questions here, what does this mean? Now, the Clinton campaign has issues a statement, we can put out part of it here, right now. It says, "What we saw today is Mike Pence and Trump's top campaign officials attempt to mislead voters about their mass deportation policy by using soft words to describe harsh tactics, one of the oldest tricks in the book."

Now, we had heard from Donald Trump himself saying he was softening but many taking away from that speech on Wednesday saying they didn't see a softer side on the immigration policy. Of course, we will be continuing to reach out to the campaign trying to get more answers on what exactly will happen. Fred?

WHITFIELD: All right. Kristen, thank you so much. Appreciate that.

So as Kristen mentioned, both Kellyanne Conway and Mike Pence of the Donald Trump ticket were also out this morning trying to clarify exactly what Trump's immigration plan is. This is what they had to say. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. MIKE PENCE, (R-IN) VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He has been completely consistent on this point.

CHUCK TODD, NBC NEWS HOST: No, he's not.

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PENCE: Deportation is at the center of the national debate.

TODD: But he has not been consistent on this issue of what to do with the 11 million to 15 million.

PENCE: Well, but there are people in different circumstances in that category. There are people who are criminal aliens in this country. And I think everyone in this country understands the people who are here ...

[15:05:00] TODD: Violent crimes.

PENCE: Well, people who are here who their first act in this country was violation of the law but have gone on to criminal activity in America, we want them out. We want them out quickly.

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MARTHA RADDATZ, ABC NEWS: He said there will be no amnesty, all immigrants here illegally will be subject to deportation. So will they be subject to deportation and removal or will they have to go?

KELLYANNE CONWAY, TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER: If they're criminals, they're going immediately. And we don't know what that number is. We hear anything from 1 million to 2 million. And then, of course, he has also said, this being the most generous country to immigrants in the world, that if you want to come to America and immigrate here legally, you should do that ...

RADDATZ: And if they are not criminals, that has been very clear, he has talked about the criminals but if they aren't criminals do they have to go?

CONWAY: He has said that you should stand in line and immigrate legally. And also, he has said, that once we do things that have never been done ...

RADDATZ: So you mean they have to go?

CONWAY: What I'm saying is, he said that and he said the other night, and everybody can read the ten-point plan if they like, at least we have went out there the other side ...

RADDATZ: But that really doesn't clear it up, Kellyanne, do the people who aren't criminals have to go? CONWAY: Sure, correct. But no, but he also said once you enforce the law, once you get rid of the criminals, once you triple the number of ICE agents, once you secure the southern border, once you turn off the jobs magnet, job and benefit magnet, then we'll see where we are.

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WHITFIELD: All right. Let's talk more about this with my panel, Republican Political Commentator and Donald Trump Supporter Paris Dennard and Democratic Strategist Mustafa Tameez. Good to see both of you, gentlemen.

PARIS DENNARD, REPUBLICAN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Good to see you, Fred.

WHITFIELD: All right. So, Paris, you first, whom or what do you blame for all of this confusion on messaging within the Trump campaign?

DENNARD: Well, I don't see confusion from the Trump campaign in terms of his messaging as it relates to his ten-point ...

WHITFIELD: That didn't demonstrate some inconsistencies on messaging?

DENNARD: I think the media is trying to create this controversy about the inconsistent messages. But I don't think it ...

WHITFIELD: You mean the media by hosting the comments of those who were speaking on behalf of Donald Trump?

DENNARD: I think if you look at his speech and you look at this ten- point plan, it is clear what his illegal immigration policy is going to be. And it's very clear that he wants to do this in a humane and respectful manner.

And the bigger issue is, Fred, what we're highlighting, this is a very complicated issue. If it was so simple President Obama would have done it. Secretary Clinton would have been able to fix it. But it's not, so you have to go ...

WHITFIELD: If Donald Trump did say mass deportations, in fact, we have like a string of his bites cued up if we can get ready ...

DENNARD: Right.

WHITFIELD: ... when you're reminding on that and at the same time, you had Rudy Guiliani saying something different this morning and this Kellyanne Conway saying yet another thing. So it is getting a little confusing.

DENNARD: I think at the end of the day, what we need to go by is what Mr. Trump put in his ten-point plan and what he says from his own mouth. That he is the candidate, he is our nominee, and what he says goes.

WHITFIELD: OK. So, Mustafa, is that a problem then if you have the candidate saying one thing and you have surrogates or supporters speaking on behalf of that candidate saying another thing. I mean, what's a voter to now understand and, you know, grasp?

MUSTAFA TAMEEZ, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well, Governor Pence, Rudolph Giuliani, Kellyanne Conway, are being intellectually dishonest. This is part of the strategy. Donald Trump goes out and says very harsh things to rally up his base. They go out and soften up the language to muddy it up. And then, they go out to blame the media for not covering them properly ...

WHITFIELD: So is that advantageous?

TAMEEZ: ... and you go back to the (inaudible) of Hillary Clinton.

WHITFIELD: Sorry to interrupt but why is that advantageous?

TAMEEZ: Well, they are not trying to court the Hispanic vote and they are not trying to court the African-American vote. What they are trying to do is deport the kind of the soft Republican vote in the suburb, especially Republican women.

Because they know that they are coming across, the candidates is coming across, somewhat racist and by softening up the language, they are looking to court that vote base.

WHITFIELD: So, Paris, here are the string of bites that I was referring to that we pulled before the show, because we have heard different message from Donald Trump in the course of the year. Listen for yourself.

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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: They're illegal immigrants. They got to go out.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: But how do you do it in a practical way? You really think you can round up 11 million people?

TRUMP: They got to leave. And, you know what? At some point, we're going to try getting them back, the good ones.

We're going to have a deportation force and going to do it humanely.

ERIN BURNETT, CNN ANCHOR: Are you going to be sending in officers, a force of people into people's home to get them out?

TRUMP: We're going to be sending people in a very nice way. We're going to be giving notice. We're going to be saying, you have to go. We have at least 11 million people in this country that came in illegally. They will go out.

They will come back, some will come back, the best, through a process. They have to come back legally.

(END VIDEO CLIP) WHITFIELD: All right. So, Paris, does that refresh, you know, any thought from you or, you know, are you ready rephrase anything? Do you think it has been a consistent message all throughout or has it gotten a little confusing?

DENNARD: I heard consistently there. I heard him say repeatedly that -- they going to be -- with respect, humanely.

[15:10:00] I heard him say that if you're here illegally, you're going to have to go back, get back in line. And especially, what he had been saying recently is the criminals are going to be the first to go. And he said those that are also here -- there's going to be a process to get them out because they are here illegally and they are hurting our economy.

And so, I think he's been consistent, I really do. And I think the American people can see that and they can read as ten-point plan and see that. And back to your earlier point, he has been sincere about his engagement efforts with African-Americans and Hispanics while he's been doing that for the past two weeks, we have seen Secretary Clinton fundraising and avoiding the press for 274 days.

WHITFIELD: OK. So, Mustafa, if it is clarity from the point of view of the Trump camp, then is this a missed-opportunity perhaps for Hillary Clinton? I know there was a statement that was really, it's a written statement earlier today but is it a mistake, is it missed- opportunity for her to come out and comment on the observations of Donald Trump's message?

TAMEEZ: Well, I'm sure she is. But look, she said it early, she quoted my -- Angelo (ph), and said that if someone shows you who they are, you should believe it. And we really should believe Donald Trump for who he is because as Paris has said, he's been very consistent about this deportation. He's always talked about mass deportation and the other surrogates are going around softening up the language. That's no difference than putting a bunch of words on a teleprompter and asking Donald Trump to read it.

And then, he sounds like he's a rational person but as soon as he starts using his own word, as soon as he gets on Twitter, we see who Donald Trump is and we should never ever forget that.

WHITFIELD: All right. Let's leave it right there. We're going to have you back Mustafa Tameez and Paris Dennard. Thank you so much for now. See you again soon.

TAMEEZ: Thanks, Fred.

WHITFIELD: All right. So, is Donald Trump's stance on immigration softening? Well, it does depend on who you ask, right? We'll straight ahead to very different opinions from within Trump's own party.

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[15:15:18] WHITFIELD: All right. I want to continue our conversation and welcome back Donald Trump's supporter, Paris Dennard and Democratic Strategist Mustafa Tameez. All right, welcome back, gentlemen.

DENARD: Thanks, Fred.

WHITFIELD: All right. So, if you don't mind, we'll go from our cut about immigration to the message now of African-American or two in the African-American voters yesterday. A big day for Donald Trump going to Detroit, going to the Great Faith International Ministries Church and saying that he felt like that was quite the impact for him. Even making some promises, you know, saying he wants to reform the system. He believes that there's a great need for the civil rights agenda and he even said, you know, he is there to learn. And this was the assessment of Rudy Giuliani earlier today talking about this visit by Donald Trump to this church in Detroit.

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GIULIANI: I think Donald Trump is the first Republican since Jack Kemp and me, to go into minority poor communities and say, "The Democrats have failed you for 50 years and you are reflectively giving him your vote and that is going from bad to worse."

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WHITFIELD: All right. So, that was the comment about Donald Trump's visit to the Great Faith Ministries International. So, Mustafa, does Rudy Giuliani have it right? Is this a moment that Donald Trump, you know, has really up-staged any other Republican presidential candidate?

TAMEEZ: Jack Kent will be ashamed of those remarks and so should Rudy Giuliani. Look, Rudy Giuliani center takes credits for the movement in New York and compared that to Detroit, Michigan whereas industrial area, auto industry left and it is Barack Obama who came in and lifted up the auto industry from where it was.

Look, I'm glad Donald Trump went there. I think Donald Trump needs to understand that the plight of African-Americans inner cities, he's never tried to do that before, the fact, he's doing it right before the campaign, before Labor Day begins is suspicious but I'm still glad that he's trying to educate himself.

WHITFIELD: And so, Paris, what do you say to people who believe that this is disingenuous that if he had a real interest, he would've done this long before, just 10 weeks away from the General Election Day.

DENNARD: Yeah. I think it's important to correct what the mayor said and I don't know if he's entirely true. I know Jack Kemp had a very aggressive agenda that relates to engage with the African-American community. But so did George W. Bush when he was a governor and when he was the candidate running for president and when he was president for two terms.

As relates to Mr. Trump, again, we have to set the facts straight. This is not something that is new that national diversity calls for Trump was started long before the general election, has started when he was running in the primary and that was an engagement effort as well as Mr. Trump meeting with hundreds of African-American pastors, having meeting for South Carolina, meeting in Philadelphia. So, it's a continued effort ...

WHITFIELD: But you do agree, this is a new picture?

DENNARD: It is the first time he was in a black church and the invitation of pastor, yes, but it is not the first time or a couple weeks out before the election that he has been engaging with our community. That's just not true.

He has been engaging. This is continued effort and it's a good thing for our Republican nominee to be engaging with our community and learning and, yes, listening to have a better understanding that when he becomes president he's going to be the president of all people especially those who are the least who have been left out by the Democrats for so many years and this administration.

WHITFIELD: All right. We're going to leave it right there. Paris Dennard ...

TAMEEZ: That's even a sad ...

WHITFIELD: Go ahead, real quick.

TAMEEZ: That's even a sadder statement that he's been engaging 14 months and he's holding at 1 percent or 2 percent.

DENNARD: 8 percent is actually ...

TAMEEZ: That is laughable to say but he could do all that.

DENNARD: ... economist you got polled 8 percent survey, Monkey and people have been 8 percent. So, those are the facts if want to poll some ...

MUSTAFA: I don't know what you're looking at, Tameez.

WHITFIELD: Well, it is disputable, they are inconsistencies from one to two and then, so, 8 percent so ...

DENNARD: Well, you take your poll. I'll use my poll. Mustafa, use your poll, I'll use my mine. I'll say 8 percent, we'll see in November where it will end.

TAMEEZ: You know, in November, we'll see how many African-Americans turn out for Donald Trump.

DENNARD: We'll see that.

WHITFIELD: OK, all right. We still have another ten weeks to talk about it all, don't we?

DENNARD: We'll be back, Fred.

WHITFIELD: All right. Glad to have you back. Paris and Mustafa, thanks you so much.

TAMEEZ: Thank you.

WHITFIELD: All right, still ahead, an exclusive interview with President Barack Obama. He's on his last trip to Asia as president of region. He believes it's essentially to America's future.

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PRES. BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Building a strong international order is in our interest and I think over the long term will be in China's interest as well.

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[15:23:23] WHITFIELD: All right. In just a few hours, day three of the G20 Summit gets underway in China and the big event could be in formal talks between President Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin. The two are expected to have a side meeting at some point today before President Obama headed overseas for what will be his final G20 as president.

He spoke exclusively with CNN's Fareed Zakaria about the challenges facing the U.S. including an increasingly powerful China.

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OBAMA: China has been run during our lifetimes by a communist party that has been much more anti-western in the past. We went through a period over the course of 20 years in the '90s and on through maybe the onset of my presidency where -- because state sponsored capitalism and an export driven model was very successful. China was less interested making waves.

But, you know, you've got over billion people, one of the largest economies now in the world. And so, it's to be expected that they will want a bigger seat at the table when it comes to international affairs. And what we've said consistently is, we welcome the peaceful rise of China, consistent with international norm, that's good for everybody.

[15:25:01] An impoverished and collapsing China would be dangerous for everybody. And, you know, we should want China to take on more responsibilities not only for its own people but also for a wide range of international problems and conflicts whether it's climate change, or disaster relief, or dealing with things like Ebola.

But what we had said to the Chinese and we've firm consistently about this is, you have to recognize that with increasing power comes increasing responsibilities. You can't pursue mercantilist policies that just advantage you. Now that you are a middle-income country in many ways even though you still have a lot of poor people, you know, you can't just export problems. You've got to have fair trade and not just free trade. You have to open up your markets if you expect other people to open up their markets. When it comes to issues related to security, if you sign a treaty that calls for international arbitration around maritime issues, that fact that you're bigger than the Philippines or Vietnam or other countries, in and of itself is not a reason for you to go around and flex your muscles. You've got to abide by international law.

And part of what I try to communicate to the president, she is that the United States arise in its power in part by restraining itself.

You know, when we bind ourselves to a bunch of international norms and rules, it's not because we have to, it's because we recognized that over the long term, building a strong international order is in our interest and I think over the long term, we'll be in China's interest as well.

So, where we see them violating international rules and norms, as we have seen in some cases in the South China Sea or in some of their behavior when it comes to economic policy. We've been very firm and we've indicated to them that there will be consequences. But what we've try to emphasize to them is, if you are working within international rules and international norms then, we should be partners. There is no reason that we cannot be friendly competitors on the commercial side and important partners when it comes to dealing with many international problems that threatened both of us.

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WHITFIELD: And up next, more on the president's diplomatic challenges today at the G20 Summit and what he needs to do to smooth relations with China.

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[15:30:48] WHITFIELD: All right, welcome back, the big event at day 3 of the G20 meeting in China. It could be an informal meeting between President Obama and Russian President Putin. Obama also has other pretty big diplomatic challenges ahead of him including China.

Just yesterday tensions boiled over between members of the president entourage and Chinese officials over security access.

I want to bring in Gordon Chang. He is a Columnist for the "Daily Beast" and the author of a book on North Korea's nuclear ambitions. Good to see you, all right.

So, China did not necessarily give President Obama a warm welcome upon the arrival of the plane. The tensions are obvious there. Is this China flexing its muscle? I mean, what could have been behind all of that?

GORDAN CHANG, COLUMNIST, "DAILY BEAST": Yeah, this is perplexing because China wants a controversy-free G20. And what they're doing is they're sort of pushing everyone in the other direction. I think that this can be explained within the context of China's internal situation. I think President Xi Jinping has probably tried to create a situation where elements in the communist party and the military have to rally behind him.

So this really isn't about the United States. It's more about the problems inside China right now which include a very difficult economy. The G20 is supposed to be about the economy. China's got a real problem there.

WHITFIELD: Yeah. So the U.S. has also warned China that there would consequences if it doesn't stand down on its expansion to South China Sea. At what point does that warning have to be backed up with some kind of action? Is this something that would even, you know, come into the preview of discussions particularly since we're talking about it statistically and economic kind of session?

CHANG: We're going to find out maybe in a couple of days because the Philippine government has reported seeing barges around Scarborough Shoal which China seized in 2012. Those barges are probably a prelude to reclamation which would make permanent and active aggression. And in March President Obama warns Xi Jinping that there would be serious consequences if China started reclamation.

So, we're going to have a real live test of Sino-U.S. ties perhaps within a week.

WHITFIELD: All right. And then, this side meeting that could be taking place today, China time, between President Obama and Vladimir Putin might it be that the topic of conversation, the primary topic of conversation, would be about Syria.

CHANG: Well, Syria certainly is going to be on the agenda but the other issue is the Russian build up of their forces around Ukraine which is certainly worrying NATO and clearly this is something that would involve the United States.

So, there are a number of issues about Russia. It is going to be across the board, I think, in terms of a problematic relationship that we've had with the Kremlin in the last couple of years.

WHITFIELD: OK. And there are a lot of things that President Obama could potentially be talking about with other leaders. And as it pertains to Turkey, with President Erdogan apparently, you know, President Erdogan has really demanded the return of that exiled clerk whose been living in the United States. Is that something a topic he might broach with President Obama there? Would it be appropriate?

CHANG: Yeah. Well, certainly, they've talked about that. They're going to talked about human rights as President Obama has been very firm about human rights. And as we heard in Fareed Zakaria interview, the President makes a very important point. That is, there shouldn't be this crackdown because it was the Turkish people who rally to save the government.

So, you know, here we have nuclear weapons based in Turkey. This is going to be something that we've got a lot of interest involved in what happens going forward with Erdogan's dealings with the military.

WHITFIELD: All right. And lot potentially on the table in this G20, the last for this sitting president.

All right, thank you so much, Gordan Chang. Appreciate it. Good to see you.

CHANG: Thank you, Fred.

WHITFIELD: All right, straight ahead, Donald Trump's running mate, Governor Mike Pence, says he will release his tax returns this week and Trump just might too, but when? We'll discuss that next.

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[15:38:29] WHITFELD: All right. Welcome back. I'm Fredricka Whitfield.

So, Donald Trump will release his tax returns maybe even before the election. That's the headline from running mate Mike Pence who also told NBC that the running mate will release his tax returns next week.

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TODD: You guys have higher ground on this issue, on this whole idea of transparency, and her accountability. If you guys were as transparent, releasing the tax returns, him releasing his tax returns, whatever you want to say about the Clintons, and we know this because the information has either been dragged out of them or it's been disclosed. We don't have any disclosures. We don't have your tax returns.

PENCE: Donald Trump and I are both going to release our tax returns. I'll release mine in the next week. Donald Trump will be releasing his tax returns at the completion of an audit. But the issue here is not ...

TODD: But that won't be before the election.

PENCE: The issue here -- well, we'll see.

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WHITFIELD: All right, he says "We'll see". Let's talk about this about this with CNN Political Commentator and Trump Supporter John Phillips and let's bring back Democratic Strategist and Hillary Clinton Supporter Mustafa Tameez. All right, gentlemen, good to see you.

John Phillips, CNN Political Commentator and Trump Supporter: Good afternoon.

WHITFIELD: And so, John you first. So there are 22 days until the first debate that will inevitably be heavy ammunition for Clinton if Trump does not release his returns. Should anyone really expect that Trump might release his return, even though we just heard, you know, Mike Pence say, you know, we'll see, before election day.

JOHN PHILIPS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, the first thing is, I think most people care more about their tax returns than they do about Donald Trump, and they make certain assumptions.

[15:40:03] They assume that he is rich and they assume that he uses every possible loophole to pay as little as possible. I don't think there's any bombshells in there that he is claiming Dennis Rodman is dependent or anything like that ...

WHITFIELD: Isn't that part of the whole truck thing, isn't that why part his trust has eroded because people are wondering what's he hiding, what's really behind not releasing his tax return, it can't just be the -- be about this audit.

PHILIPS: Look, if I were king of the world he would release the tax returns because I think we now living in a world with there aren't any secrets. We can't keep the North Koreans out of the Sony server. We can't keep the Russians out of the DNC server. At some point, I believe this tax returns will released some way before the election. It might as well be on his terms.

WHITFELD: You do before the election, before November?

PHILIPS: That's right especially since -- look we have a highly politicized IRS. I mean, they've gone after the tea party groups. Who knows that's possible? I assume they pay -- were up to any funny business that would be the one e-mail but Hillary wouldn't lose or delete.

WHITFELD: So Trump said this about releasing his tax returns once an audit is over. And this is from February.

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TRUMP: I'm just going to put you people to rest. Until my audit is finished, very simple, you're not going to see anything. When it's finished you're going to see it. But I'm not going to complicate things by doing it.

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WHITFELD: So then, Mustafa, should we be reading into perhaps Donald Trump is gotten some of those and the audit will be over now before the election?

TAMEEZ: No. You know, I've come to just believe Donald Trump when he says something. In this case he is. Look, there's no way he's releasing his taxes. And if he did, I would be grateful because Americans would learn how much is he actually giving to charity? There's many charities that he says he's giving millions of dollars. He claimed that he had.

We also don't know his relationship with the Russians. You know, he's former campaign chief resigned under the cloud of his relationship with the Russian ministers. He's son has said that he got business interest in Russian. So a tax return will help us put this thing to rest. I doubt we'll get it.

But more importantly, I also would like to see he's real health records because he's doctor in a last two weeks seems like wrote the letter based on Trump has said rather than what his assessment of Trump is. And he will be the most oldest person elected for the President of the United States. And we still don't have his health records.

WHITFELD: Even though the doctor says that, you know, he has been Donald Trump's doctor for decades?

TAMEEZ: Well, I mean, the doctor basically said there was a car waiting -- a limo waiting outside. And he has to sign the letter in five minutes. I don't know how much you can put somebody's, you know, record together in those five minutes and the language looked very dubious. And I've seen the interview with the doctor. I'm not sure if we really have Donald Trump's records.

WHITFELD: OK. So, John, you know, and take a listen to this. This is how Tim Kaine, Clinton's running mate, this is what he believes about Trump encouraging Russians to hack the DNC's e-mails.

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SEN. TIM KAINE, (D-VA) VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: So contrast the Hillary situation where the FBI said there's no need for legal proceedings with an attack that is being encouraged by Donald Trump on the DNC by Russia similar to what lead to the resignation of a president 30 years ago.

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WHITFELD: OK. So, John, this is back to trust whether be about a doctor's note or about tax returns and now it's about behind who is behind, you know, infiltrating the DNC's records.

PHILIPS: Well, that was a joke. And Tim Kaine knows it's a joke. And if Donald Trump did release and let's say its worst case scenario where he has business dealings with the Russians and business deals the Saudi Arabians. He has nothing as a businessman to sell them. He does business with them like many people do. I do business with the Saudi Arabians every time I put gas in my car.

What's more troubling is what Hillary Clinton's doing through her foundation where she did have government access to sell. She did have favors that she could fear radically a give in return for some of these moneys. That to me is more troubling than whatever is in Donald Trump's tax returns.

WHITFELD: All right. John Philips, Mustafa Tameez, we're going to leave it right there. We'll have you back because we still have lots to talk about over the course of the next two months. Thank you so much, all right.

Coming up, he had, "So much hope for Trump". But after Trump's immigration speech a member of his Hispanic advisory council had this to say.

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JACOB MONTY, HOUSTON-BASED IMMIGRATION LAWYER: I resign. I know other people have resigned. It's not a good feeling because the alternative is not much better but I'm unwilling to be part of his propaganda machine.

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WHITFELD: So why the change of heart and the decision to drop Donald Trump. We'll talk about that with Jacob Monty.

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[15:48:26] WHITFELD: All right. Donald Trump has been under a heavy scrutiny for denounce of Trump University as it basis fraud lawsuits.

Now, Hillary Clinton is being criticized for her husband's involvement in another for-profit college. Laureate International Universities describe itself as "the leading global network of higher education institutions". But it's just not any university system. Bill Clinton was its honorary chancellor. And the university's chairman has close ties to the Clinton Global Initiative. What does all of this mean with Hillary Clinton now running for president? Here's a senior investigator correspondent, Drew Griffin.

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DREW GRIFFIN, CNN SENIOR INVESTIGATOR CORRESPONDENT: It's being called Hillary's University problem. It's actually Laureate International Universities, run and own by a good friend of the Clintons. It's private and for-profit and the profits are huge. Laureate operates mostly in Latin America, has a millions students worldwide and brings in revenues of more than $4 billion.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It all started with a powerful mission, the mission of making quality higher education accessible.

GRIFFIN: It's CEO, Clinton pal, Doug Becker made $2.4 million last year alone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The network of Laureate International Universities has grown to more than 70 educational institutions across 29 countries.

GRIFFIN: And Laureate is not without its own problems. It has faced investigations in Brazil over whether students were getting their money's worth and in Chile concerning its for-profit status.

[15:40:00] U.S. students have complained. The school failed to deliver on its promised degree programs.

Three of the five schools Laureate operates in the United States are under what the U.S. Department Education cause hiding cash monitoring because of potential problems with its financial responsibility. Though the school told CNN it disagrees with the government's methodology.

It would seem like the exact type of business Hillary Clinton might have a problem with.

HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: There are students who take out loans to pay for an expensive degree from a for-profit institution, only to find little support once they actually enroll. Or they graduate and discover that when it comes to getting the job they were promised, their degree is not worth what they thought.

GRIFFIN: But you won't find Hillary Clinton saying one word about Laureate University. While she was traveling the world as secretary of state, her husband was traveling the world and being paid a fortune as the honorary chancellor of Laureate International Universities.

BILL CLINTON, FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT: I traveled to 14 Laureate Universities in a dozen countries.

GRIFFIN: Bill Clinton was paid $17.6 million by Laureate from 2010 until 2015 when his contract was up and he stepped down. Several weeks after Secretary Clinton announced her bid to run for president.

DOUGLAS BECKER, FOUNDER, CHAIRMAN, CEO, LAUREATE EDUCATION, INC: It's such an honor for us to have him as our honorary chancellor, but what most people don't know is that that actually started because of CGI.

GRIFFIN: Laureate, with Doug Becker at the helm, not only paid Bill Clinton $17.6 million, it has donated between $1 million and $5 million to the Clinton Foundation and has partnered with the Clinton Global Initiative since 2008. And all along the way, Becker has contributed to Democratic campaign funds, including Hillary Clinton's.

So what did Doug Becker and his Laureate International Universities get out of the $17.6 million it paid to Bill Clinton? It got a big, name U.S. president as a spokesperson. It got worldwide recognition by partnering with the Clinton Global Initiative. But so far, a presidential candidate who rails against the problems of for-profit universities has not mentioning Laureate International's name.

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GRIFFIN: Fred, the Clinton campaign sent us a statement about this story that said Hillary Clinton has made it clear all for-profit institutions should be held to the same standards. That statement went on to say that she is going to crack down on law-breaking for profits by expanding support for federal regulators to enforce laws against deceptive marketing fraud and other illegal practices. Fred?

WHITFIELD: All right, Drew, thank you so much. So in a new CNN special airing Monday night, we will look at both candidates' personal lives. In one part, Gloria Borger talks with Donald Trump's children. Here's what Eric Trump had to say about his dad.

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GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: So, you grow up with Donald Trump as your father. What was that like?

ERIC TRUMP, SON OF DONALD TRUMP: Exciting, surreal. It was fun. It's energetic. He's a man who's incredibly warm. He's also a man who taught us a lot of discipline and manners and respect in work ethic.

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WHITFIELD: For an in-depth look at the presidential candidates, be sure to watch both of the essentials tomorrow, starting at 8:00 Eastern right here on CNN.

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[15:57:23] WHITFIELD: A special day for Catholics around the world. Pope Francis is officially declaring Mother Teresa a saint.

Tens of thousands of people filled St. Peters Square this morning, known as the "saint of the gutters," Mother Teresa devoted her life to helping the poor and sick in India. CNN's Vatican Correspondent Delia Gallagher was there.

DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN VATICAN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Fred. What a celebration it has been here today under a sweltering roman sun. Some 120,000 people came down here to St. Peters Square. They came from all over. We saw flags from India, of course, from Albania, from all countries in between to celebrate the life of the saint and to hear Pope Francis say the declaration in Latin that officially makes her Saint Teresa of Calcutta. And I can tell you, Fred, a big cheer went up when he said those words.

He called Mother Teresa a model of holiness and he said that she was an eloquent witness to God's closeness to the poor. And in the Pope's own gesture of closeness to the poor, we know that that is a priority for Pope Francis. After this very solemn ceremony, he said he was offering a pizza party to 1,500 poor and homeless in the Vatican. Fred?

WHITFIELD: All right, thank you so much, Delia Gallagher in Rome. All right, the next hour of CNN NEWSROOM starts right now.

All right. Hello, again. And thank you so much for joining me. I'm Fredricka Whitfield.

The Donald Trump campaign continues to try to clarify exactly what the republican candidate's position is on illegal immigration. This morning, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani tried to make one thing clear, Donald Trump does not support mass deportations.

He told CNN's Jake Tapper on "STATE OF THE UNION" that Trump would, "Find it very difficult to throw out a family who have been here for 15 years with three children, two of whom are citizens. That is not the kind of America he wants." Giuliani also addressed Trump's attempt to appeal to black voters when he visited Detroit yesterday, including his tour of Ben Carson's childhood home, and a predominantly African-American church. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TAPPER: Mr. Mayor, thanks for joining us.

GIULIANI: Hi, Jake, how are you?

TAPPER: Good. Thank you so much. Donald Trump making an effort yesterday to reach out to African-Americans. It seems to have been welcomed by those inside the church. But I have to say, in interviews, many African-Americans say they are still troubled by Mr. Trump having suggested over and over falsely that the first African- American president was born in Africa, and thus ineligible to be president.

GIULIANI: The interesting thing is the first one to me that claim was Hillary Clinton.

TAPPER: Well, not herself. People around her.