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Giuliani: Trump No Longer Wants Mass Deportation; What is Trump's Immigration Plan?; Trump's Message to African-Americans; Interview with Bishop Wayne T. Jackson; Remains of Abducted Boy Found 27 Years Later; Obama to Begin Third Full Day at G20 Summit. Aired 4- 5p ET

Aired September 04, 2016 - 16:00   ET

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[16:00:00] JAKE TAPPER, "STATE OF THE UNION" HOST: Trump having suggested over and over, falsely, that the first African-American president was born in Africa, and thus, ineligible to be president.

RUDY GIULIANI: Well, you know, the interesting thing is, the first one that made that claim was Hillary Clinton --

TAPPER: Well, not her -- not her herself, people around her.

GIULIANI: Her campaign did. They were the first ones that brought it up and finally it was resolved after Donald Trump raised it. So, they may be having faulty memory there as to where that issue first came from and what first suggested --

TAPPER: You say it -- you say it was --

GIULIANI: -- from the Clinton campaign.

TAPPER: That's fair enough, sir, to say that people around the Clinton campaign brought that up. But, as you say, it was resolved in 2011 when he released his birth certificate.

Donald Trump talking about this as recently as February of last year at CPAC, saying, that he thinks the birth certificate is false. Should he just apologize for this to let -- if he really wants to reach out to minority voters?

GIULIANI: You know, if everybody apologized for all the things they said in politics all we would be doing on television shows is apologizing. Maybe a lot of the Democratics should apologize for calling Donald Trump a racist and calling him all kinds of terrible names and it gets a little silly. Let's get down to the basic issue here.

For years, people say Republicans don't reach out to the African- American community. Well, he's reaching out to the African-American community. Maybe it isn't the message of left-wing Democratic politics which, in my view, having been the mayor of the city that was rotting when I took it over on the front cover of Time Magazine as "The Rotting of the Big Apple" because of years of liberal democratic policies.

New York could be Detroit if I hadn't turned it around. If I hadn't lowered taxes, gotten jobs for people, gotten jobs for people on welfare and straightened out a good deal of the education system and moved away from dependency. I moved 600,000 people off welfare, 500,000 people with jobs.

So now you compare New York to Detroit and Baltimore and you look at the number of crimes in both of those cities and you look at New York, you look to the unemployment rates, you look at the economic opportunities and you see that -- I think Donald Trump is the first Republican since Jack Kemp and me to go into minority poor communities and say, the Democrats have failed you for 50 years and you are reflexively giving him your vote and they are going from bad to worse.

I mean, food stamps have gone up two and a half times under -- food stamps have gone up two and a half times under Barack Obama. He should be ashamed of himself. Jobs should have gone up two and a half times.

TAPPER: I take your point. My only -- my only point is that many African-Americans are still mad about Donald Trump having tried to invalidate Barack Obama by claiming he was born in Africa, but were obviously not going to get anywhere.

I want to ask you about Mr. Trump's trip to Mexico because you played a pivotal role in that.

The Mexican president says that he began this meeting by saying that Mexico would not pay for the wall that Donald Trump wants to build. And according to the Wall Street Journal, you immediately jumped in. What did you say?

GIULIANI: No. What I said was -- it was off the table. We had -- we had ground rules for this meeting, and one of the ground rules was we were not going to discuss paying for the wall because that's not something we're going to agree about.

What we wanted to do is to find areas of common agreement, and maybe the president's staff didn't brief him on it, maybe the president forgot it, but, I mean, he brought it up.

It wasn't right at the very beginning, it was sort of in the middle of the sentence and I just briefly said that's not on the table, and the reality is they have a disagreement over that.

They found many areas of agreement. I'll tell you one really interesting one is trade.

Mexico is suffering from the same trade problems with China that we're suffering from. All the same complaints that you hear from Donald Trump, President Pena Nieto would say exactly the same thing. The same kind of dumping, the same kind of violation of a lot of the trade rules and regulations, and they're bringing cases against Mexico -- against China and they're going nowhere. So one of the things we said we could do is we could join together in an alliance between the United States and Mexico and see if we could bolster ourselves in terms of fair trade with China.

We also found common ground on illegal immigration. They have a tremendous amount of illegal immigration into Mexico from El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, some stay in Mexico creating a problem for them. And then, a lot of the people coming across the Mexican border are not Mexicans. They're people from the countries I just mentioned.

TAPPER: Right.

GIULIANI: In some cases ISIS has made clear they're going to take advantage of that open border to bring terrorist in.

And on the question of the wall, basically, the President of Mexico said that's your decision to make. You know, it's your -- it's your decision whether to put up a wall or not.

So, it was mostly -- it was mostly a very good, very productive conversation.

I think -- I think Donald Trump learned a lot of what he -- what he probably knew anyway, but it reinforced a lot of what we knew about trade and what we knew about areas of which we can agree.

And look, with all of our allies we're going to have areas of agreement, we're going to have areas of disagreement. And I think what Donald Trump displayed was his ability to be a president.

TAPPER: So, and a lot of pundits even those who are skeptical of Donald Trump seem to give that meeting very high marks.

There are reports that you and Governor Chris Christie among other have been internally in the Trump campaign pushing Trump to do things more like that, more presidential in tone for want of a better term.

But later that day, Trump went to Arizona and he gave an immigration speech that was perceived as so harsh that even the Republican National Committee scrapped plans to praise that speech.

In a way, sir, did your side of the struggle within the Trump campaign win the morning but lose the night?

GIULIANI: No. We won both, and both sides won. There are only two sides.

I think if you have to read the AP story that came of that speech. The AP story says, Donald Trump retreats on mass deportation. It is true the speech was delivered in, and I'd say, a dramatic style because it was in a rally audience.

But if you read that speech carefully, that speech is consistent with what he said in the past, and at least a very big opening for what will happen with the people that remain here in the United States after the criminals are removed and after the border is secure. And he says in a very, very important sentence, which everybody seemed to ignore but AP, he says there that at that time when America is safe we will be open to all of the options. Meaning that Donald, as he expressed in one of his interviews recently, would find it very, very difficult to throw out a family that's been here for, you know, 15 years and they have three children, two of whom citizens and that is not the kind of America he wants.

His main focus of that speech -- and I think the reason for the emotion in it was because of all of those mothers who came up, whose children were killed by illegal criminal immigrants.

TAPPER: Right. But --

GIULIANI: And all -- and all of the policies, the all ten policies are largely directed toward criminal, illegal immigrants, which the Obama administration releases into the streets of our city --

TAPPER: So let me just --

GIULIANI: -- which is actually -- they have an insane policy.

I was a prosecutor most of my life.

TAPPER: But Mr. Mayor --

GIULIANI: -- catch and release them. They catch criminals and they release them.

TAPPER: I just want to -- I just want to understand what you're saying here.

So Mr. Trump will not be trying to kick out the dreamers? He will not be having a deportation force and he no longer wants to get all 11 million undocumented immigrants out of this country?

GIULIANI: What he said in the speech is, after we secure the border and after we remove the criminal illegal immigrants to a -- to a -- to a large extent, you're never going to get to 100%, then and only then can we look at this in a very rational way in which we can look at all of the options and be open to all the options.

TAPPER: And he doesn't want to separate families, as you say?

GIULIANI: Well, I would say that would be one of the things that would be pretty clear. There are other options too. I mean, it's going to depend on the person.

I mean, some of these people could have been on welfare for the last 30 years or taking benefits or cheating. And maybe some of them have to be thrown out but not necessarily all of them and that's the point that he was making in the speech.

And I agree with you, that point got lost, to some extent, in the emotion of the moment. The emotion of the moment where the 12 mothers and -- I think 10 mothers and 2 fathers who came up who have been killed by illegal immigrants, released because of the incompetent policies of the Obama administration which Hillary Clinton is just going to continue.

TAPPER: All right. Mr. Mayor, thank you so much. We appreciate your time, as always.

GIULIANI: Thank you.

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FREDRICKA WHITFIEL, CNN ANCHOR: All right, lots to talk about all of this with our panels coming up next straight ahead in the NEWSROOM.

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WHITFIELD: All right, welcome back. Rudy Giuliani saying Trump no longer wants to have a mass deportation and he wasn't the only Trump staffer or surrogate or supporter trying to get the message out this morning.

GOV. MIKE PENCE (R-IN), VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: He's been completely consistent on this point.

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CHUCK TODD, NBC NEWS HOST: He had deportation --

PENCE: -- center of the national debate.

TODD: But he's not been consistent on this issue of what to do with the 11 or 15 million.

PENCE: Well, but there are -- there are people in different circumstances in that category. There are people who are criminal aliens in this country. And I think everyone in this country understands that people who were here --

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TODD: -- committing violent crime.

PENCE: Well, people who were -- who their first act in this country was violation of the law but have gone onto criminal activity in America, we want them out and we want them out quickly.

MARTHA RADDATZ, ABC NEWS HOST: He said there will be no amnesty. All immigrants here illegally will be subject to deportation. So will they be subject to deportation and removal or will they have to go?

KELLYANNE CONWAY, TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER: If they're criminals, they're going immediately, And we don't know what that number is. We hear anything from 1 million to 2 million.

And then, of course, he has also said, this being the most generous country to immigrants in the world, that if you want to come to America and immigrate here legally, you should do that. RADDATZ: And if they're not criminals? That has been very clear.

He's talked about the criminals. But if they aren't criminals, do they have to go?

CONWAY: He has said that you should stand in line and immigrate legally. And also, he has said that once we do things that have never --

RADDATZ: So you mean they have to go?

CONWAY: What I'm saying is he has said that -- and he said the other night, and everybody can read the 10-point plan if they like, at least we have one out there the other side --

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RADDATZ: Okay. But that really doesn't clear it up, Kellyanne. Do --

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CONWAY: Well, it does --

RADDATZ: Do the criminals have to go?

CONWAY: Correct. But, no, but he also said that once you enforce the law, once you get rid of the criminals, once you triple the number of ICE agents, once you secure the southern boarder, once you turn off the jobs magnet -- jobs benefit magnet, then we'll see where we are.

WHITFIELD: All right. So let's talk more about this with Republican strategist, Brian Morgenstern, and political analyst Ellis Henican. All right, gentlemen, good to see you as always.

So, Brian, this ought to be autopilot, right? On the cornerstone issue of the Donald Trump campaign, everyone should be on the same message, and it seems as though there's a lot of rejiggering going on or, you know, a battle of semantics.

Is this representative of a big problem?

BRIAN MORGENSTERN, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Oh, I don't know if it's a problem.

I think -- you know, the way we talked about this maybe a week or two ago is that as Trump's policy proposals are unfurled with the help of experts in this world who have been talking about immigration for a long time, you'd expect it to move a lot closer to what everybody knows the solutions are. And some of those we're now hearing articulated by the campaign, which would be E-Verify for getting jobs. It would be border security. It would be tracking Visa overstays which tackles 40% of the illegal immigration problem right away.

So, I think as we predicted, as immigration, sort of, experts have gotten more involved in this campaign's policy, that's the direction it's trended towards. If only it had done that sooner and we wouldn't have this fight over, you know, flip-flopping or not flip-flopping or whatever.

But look, I've been no shrinking violet when it comes to criticizing Trump. I'm not going to criticize him for moving in a direction that actually reflects reality and I think is actually the right direction.

WHITFIELD: Okay, so 22 days ahead of the first debate. Ellis, is this an issue of, you know, fine tuning, getting a little bit to be more realistic about what this plan really could look like, and that's what we're seeing unfold in the public view?

ELLIS HENICAN, POLITICAL ANALYST: Fred, this is going to be an issue until midnight on the 7th of November. We'll see where we are is not a sufficient answer to the core policy of the presidential campaign, right? There's a reason all those people from Rudy to Kellyanne to Mike Pence, that none of them can explain in simple English what the core policy is it's because there isn't one.

Donald trump will not and has not answered the question, what do you do to those millions and millions of people whose only crime was to arrive here illegally. He hasn't answered it and he shall not answer it.

WHITFIELD: So Republican Senator Jeff Flake was not buying Giuliani's explanation of Trump's plan. This is what he had to say earlier.

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SENATOR JEFF FLAKE (R), ARIZONA: Well, if it was there, it was buried pretty deep. And -- no, I didn't catch it. It was just a statement that you're going back and think about it for a bit. If you have 11 million who are undocumented, you know, a lot of those are children, who are brought across the border when they were two years old, say.

What he's saying is that they would all have to go back, or this is what I heard, and then that they would, perhaps, be able to come back here in the future. But there aren't Visa categories to accept those who have been deported, then they wouldn't be able to come back or they would have to remain out for a long period of time until some -- I guess, some big talk of a commission would create a Visa category for them to come back.

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WHITFIELD: All right. So, Brian, Trump's surrogates having to go back, you know, soften up actual statements. But shouldn't ultimately it be Donald Trump who's kind of setting, you know, the lead on this issue since he's the one who brought it up, what, June 2015?

MORGENSTERN: Sure. But to Flake's point, he wasn't buying Giuliani's reading of it. That kind of struck me.

Because, you know, he did focus on the criminal deportations. That was a big part of that presentation that he made in Phoenix. I mean, he had a dozen families who had -- you know, had victims of criminal illegal immigrants. And so, that was a pretty big focus of it.

I think what -- maybe what Senator Flake wasn't hearing or he was getting a little into the weeds was that the Trump campaign at this point is declining to answer the question. As Ellis articulated about the people who are here illegally who have not, otherwise, committed a crime, the trump campaign is saying their policy is we're not there yet. We're not going to deal with it.

Which, by the way, is a policy of a number of other people in this space because they recognize that border security, and Visa overstay, and E-Verify, and all these things, once they're in place, it will be a less toxic political environment to address that issue.

I prefer my presidential candidates to generally have a position, rather than having their position be, "I don't have one." However, it is -- it's a defensible one. I don't think it's crazy necessarily, because of the reasons I just articulated.

WHITFIELD: Okay. So, Ellis, you know, the flip side of that, well, Donald Trump has this mission statement. Everyone knows its immigration that's kind of been at the center piece of his campaign. Flip side to that is Hillary Clinton, there are many critics who say she doesn't have that one central message statement or mission in her candidacy, and perhaps, that's in large part why you don't see as much of her flooding the airwaves as you see Donald Trump.

HENICAN: That's a fair hit. I mean, if she has been absent, I mean, she would like to be holding some more press conferences, right? I mean that's a -- that's a nice way that we get to know our politicians.

But, I mean, listen. The politics of it seem pretty obvious at this point. I mean, Trump is doing so many things to harm himself. There really is a pretty easy path to the nomination and the polls I think bear this out, that if she just kind of keeps her heads down and doesn't make any self-inflicted wounds that she's going to be your next president. And it's not as fun to cover, I'll give you that, but it's probably pretty sound politics.

WHITFIELD: All right. Ellis, Brian, thanks so much, gentlemen. Appreciate it.

HENICAN: Sure.

WHITFIELD: All right, straight ahead. During Donald Trump's visit to an African-American church in Detroit, he offered a message of unity.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We're all brothers and sisters, and we're all created by the same god.

Now in these hard times for our country, let us turn again to our Christian heritage to lift up the soul of our nation.

(END VIDEO CLIP) WHITFIELD: Was that the centerpiece of the interview he did with the pastor, right there just before taking to the pulpit? We'll find out. The pastor joining us live next.

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WHITFIELD: All right, Donald Trump did something this weekend that many of his critics say he should have done long time ago if he's serious about connecting with black voters. Attending, at least, service or addressing a predominantly black audience, in this case, a black church in Detroit.

Trump swayed along with the music as the congregation sang. Meanwhile, this was happening outside the church.

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CROWD: [No trump! No trump! No trump! No trump! No trump!]

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WHITFIELD: Well, inside, Trump did address the congregation with these prepared remarks.

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TRUMP: Nothing would make me happier and more fulfilled than to use what I have learned in business and in traveling all over the world, I've sort of seen a lot, to bring the wealth and prosperity and opportunity to those who have not had these opportunities before, and that's many, many people in Detroit.

When I see wages falling, people out of work, I know the hardship this inflicts and I am determined to do something about it. I will do something about it. I do get things done. I will tell you.

Some people have strengths. That's one of my -- I get things done. I'm going to get things done for you.

Please know this. For any who are hurting, things are going to turn around. Tomorrow will be better -- it would be much better.

The pastor and I were talking about riding up the street and we see all those closed stores and people sitting down on the sidewalk, and no jobs and no activity. We'll get it turned around -- we'll get it turned around, Pastor, believe me.

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WHITFIELD: So the pastor who hosted this visit and also met with Trump one-on-one is Bishop Wayne T. Jackson. He joins me now from Detroit.

Good to see you, bishop. Thanks so much for being with us.

BISHOP WAYNE T. JACKSON, GREAT FAITH MINISTRIES INTERNATIONAL: You're welcome, Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: Okay, so he says -- Donald Trump says he's going to turn things around. And that, you know, he wants to learn, and that he's also committed to helping the people in Detroit and to helping African-Americans as a whole. He said that from your pulpit. How much of what he said do you believe? How much do you feel was very genuine?

JACKSON: Well, let me first of all say, Fredricka, we've been hearing promises from politicians, you know, all our lives.

So, getting something done, you said, what do I believe, you know, is from Missouri, you know, show me and we'll go from there. But he was very believable. He was very compassionate.

He won -- he won a lot of people over as far as his genuineness, as far as what they felt. And, you know, he was very -- he was very kind and very listening, attentive to the people that spoke to him. And I really believe that he's done a wonderful job.

WHITFIELD: Now, you also did a one-on-one interview, right, on tape, on videotape, because you are the founder of the president of the Impact Network. You did this one-on-one interview. You got a lot of free publicity in "The New York Times" about prepared questions that you delivered to Donald Trump, giving him an opportunity to kind of script his reply.

But tell me how that one-on-one went. Kind of describe for me, you know, some of the questions asked, what the demeanor was like, and why it is it's going to be a week before anybody is going to see that interview.

JACKSOM: Well, you know, production -- I'm not -- I'm not the producer or the editor. The edit would be done from our camp. Trump never asked, or his camp ever asked to be co-editors or to try to put any type of influence in the editing department of this -- of this -- of this interview. But, they will have that done once my son, who is handling it, tells me when it's ready.

But no, there was no interference with the proposed questions that I was going to ask him.

His camp did ask me to forward the questions I was going to ask him about, maybe a week or two beforehand. And that was nothing unusual for me because I've done things for The White House, I've prayed prayers and things like that, and they would ask me, even before I did an invocation, they would say I'd like to see your prayer before you pray.

So, it was nothing that was hidden or anything that was underhanded, or undermined. Because we -- you know, we walk in integrity. And I really believe that they've blown this out of proportion. Because he just wanted to know what he's going to be asking.

And, certainly, if I was doing the interview, I want to be prepared for it, too. WHITFIELD: Yes, people often times want to know the parameters of a discussion, so it's not that unusual to give people an idea of what generally might be asked.

Now, Earlier on CNN, you know, you joined us on the air, some of my colleagues on the air. And you said at the time that you really wanted to hear some real answers from Trump. You said you wanted to hear more than just, you know, what he has said which is, "What do you have to lose?"

Do you feel like you got more concrete answers? Did -- you were able to better assess where he's coming from?

JACKSON: Well, Fredricka, let me say this. I want know -- I want everyone to know that I am not a journalist. I will not step in your arena. I wouldn't dare do that. I'm a pastor and I done -- I did the best that I could do if I was to question it --

[16:30:00] WHITFIELD: But you're a voter and that's how people, you know, people were responding to hearing him, the candidate, the man who is about, you know, who is running for the highest office of the land who said to an African-American Community in large part talking to people saying what do you have to lose? And when you receive that and when you had a chance to sit with him face-to-face, help us...

JACKSON: Yes, we talked about that.

WHITFIELD: ...you know, fill in the blanks. What did you get from him, just from a citizen talking to another citizen?

JACKSON: Well, we talked about that and I explained to him that, you know, there's a lot of situations in our community and when you try to may be broaden or say what everybody -- you can't paint everybody with the same brush. That, you know, all African-Americans are not, you know, going out of their homes and the neighborhood is being shot or you know, robbed. You know, there's a diversity in our community. And, you know, I was very open with my passion concerning looking at especially the job situation also the African-American...

WHITFIELD: So, how did he assure you? What did he say to you that won you over?

JACKSON: Well, he just told -- well, he didn't give me any policies and I don't want go to too much into the interview. I want everybody to join that...

WHITFIELD: Well, this is a cup of tea -- this is the tease for your interview. I mean tell us what was said so that we know, so you know, we can't wait with baited breath, right to watch the rest of your interview, but give us an idea what he said that convinced you?

JACKSON: Well, I'm not going to get too deep into it. But things that were on my heart that's really, really -- that was what I was concerned about and that is the killings of unarmed black African- American men and the justice department. I wanted really -- I wanted to know what would the justice department look like and why, you know, we see -- it seems like it's a double standard, you know, this Caucasian boy rapes a girl gets six months only to three months and some African-Americans that are in jail just for smoking weed or whatever. And we wanted to know that if this is his -- what is his -- what is the the administration going to look like, the justice department. How are we going to solve these problems when he comes to...

WHITFIELD: And he said?

JACKSON: And he said -- he said it's not right. He says that he understands it that's what he said. And we've got to do something about it.

WHITFIELD: OK, Bishop Jackson, I'm curious to hear more about your conversation...

JACKSON: I know you are. I know you are.

WHITFIELD: Yes, so let's just take a short break in TV land.

JACKSON: OK.

WHITFIELD: We're going to take a commercial break for now. And then when we come back, we're going to talk more about your interview, your one-on-one moment with Donald Trump and then this moment you gave him an Israeli prayer cloth there. How important that was for you, the congregation, why you felt like he earned it from you. We're going to talk about all that, next.

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[16:35:00] WHITFIELD: All right, welcome back. I want to continue my conversation with Bishop Wayne T. Jackson. He hosted at the Great Faith Ministries International Church in Detroit. Donald trump, who came, and you see him right there. He is swaying to the music. He seemed to really enjoy himself. And pastor you had the one-on-one interview for your Impact Network Broadcast. You're the founder and the president of Impact Network. You did that one-on-one conversation with him earlier...

JACKSON: Yes.

WHITFIELD: ...so, you know, when and where is that going to air because we understood leading into it, it would be a week from now? When are we going to be able to see this interview?

JACKSON: Well, you know, I like to be true to my word, Fredricka and I'm at the mercy now of the editors, my son who is the person that's opened this project. Certainly, we have to bring in special people to get it done, because we want to make sure something of it significance by doing correctly. So, he is giving me tentative date next Thursday. We won't know because tomorrow is a Holiday, but we will be having an update on when it really will air.

WHITFIELD: OK.

JACKSON: It will be heavily promoted.

WHITFIELD: OK. You introduced Donald Trump and when he was finished talking, you also said, you know, add another title, pastor. And then you gifted him with this Israeli prayer shawl, it was quite the moment and two bibles. At what point, what did you say whether it was during the one-on-one or whether it was during the service, what did he say to win you over? Has he won you over? Has he convinced you that you should support him? Or convinced you that he has a mission for all voters, including African-American voters?

JACKSON: Well, no question about it, Fredricka. You know, again, I'm a Democrat and I've say it over and over again all my life, I have voted Democratic. You go in my office you will see pictures of President Clinton, Vice President Gore, President Obama, I'm going on and on, on senators, the congress people. I've always been supportive of the Democratic Party all my life.

WHITFIELD: OK. Well, you invited the Republican nominee to your church, why?

JACKSON: Well, I'm going to get it straight.

WHITFIELD: OK.

JACKSON: I didn't invite him. He asked to come to do a sit-down interview with me for the Impact Television Network, which is the largest only African-American Christian Television Network in our nation touching over 50 million homes. That's why he came. That was the original reason he came. Then he says, well, while I'm there, I want to stay for the service. And that's how it ended up being where it landed.

WHITFIELD: OK. Then do you feel comfortable that you have helped to be an instrument for Donald Trump and his campaign to try to convey a message that the camp is hoping to convey?

JACKSON: Well, I'm not -- what I'm trying to do would be an instrument of love, that I'm a broker of love. I'm a minister. I'm not a journalist. I'm not a politician. Like I said, I'm not fund of bringing an instrument for the Democrats or the Republicans. I'm trying to bring understanding. I teach my people the greatest gift that God has given you is the gift of choice and people need to know both sides.

WHITFIELD: OK.

JACKSON: If people want to vote, we need to know both sides.

WHITFIELD: Right. Well, you know the "Detroit Free Press" editorial board had published an app ad and essentially it said, you know, Detroit should not allow itself to be used. Your church should not allow itself to be used by Donald Trump's gain. What's your response to that? Do you feel that way?

JACKSON: Well, I'm answering the question. CNN have sat down and interviewed with him, MSNBC, Fox we have... WHITFIELD: We're a news organization.

JACKSON: I'm sorry.

WHITFIELD: We're a news organization. We should convey all sides.

JACKSON: No, no. What I'm saying, no, no. What I'm saying is this is that if people want to know and he wants to speak to with African- American Community, well we're the only African-American Christian Television Network. And people want to know because he's been preaching to black folks or African-Americans from white audience.

So, I don't understand why people say, oh Donald Trump needs to go to the African-American church. He needs to stop preaching to black folks in a white audience. So when he comes, then they get upset then they say you're being used. We're trying to be manipulated all the time.

Everybody trying to manipulate whoever but I'm standing as it is that people should have enough understanding, black folks don't need a guardian to tail them what whether or not they're being manipulated or not. I don't understand that. People have a brain and they can make their own decision.

[16:40:00] WHITFIELD: And do you believe that people were enlightened by the occasion?

JACKSON: I'm sorry?

WHITFIELD: Do you believe people were enlightened by what took place in your church and that it's helped them...

JACKSON: Oh, yes.

WHITFIELD: ...solidify some ideas or thoughts or opinions about Donald Trump?

JACKSON: Oh, well no question about it. Donald Trump is the -- he's a different Donald Trump in person than he was -- than he is on TV. And people saw the real he was that they felt -- that he conveyed to them.

WHITFIELD: All right...

JACKSON: And I'm not going to try to tell people how they should vote. I'm not going to try to tell people how to run their lives. I just try to bring information out and let us make our decisions. White people always think that African-Americans always need somebody to tell us what to do. I don't understand that.

WHITFIELD: Bishop Wayne T. Jackson. Thank you so much for your time.

JACKSON: What about the tallit?

WHITFIELD: Oh, I'm sorry, what was that? That was very nice.

JACKSON: The tallit, you forgot about the tallit. I put the tallit on him. WHITFIELD: Well, I asked about it. Yes, I asked about, OK.

JACKSON: I got one right -- I got one right here. And this is my personal one. But we gave one to Donald Trump...

WHITFIELD: I saw that.

JACKSON: ...on the service (ph).

WHITFIELD: Yes. And why do you feel like he earned that from you?

JACKSON: I gave him a bible, too. Do we earn a bible? Do we give a bible to somebody who wants to be inspired by the word of God? We want whoever it may be, whether it's Hillary or Donald Trump, whoever it's going to be, we don't have to earn to pray to God.

How do you earn to pray to God? I don't understand that. This was not -- no elevation or whatever, this was something -- this is a prayer shawl. That's what it is. If he will be our president, we want him to be a prayer -- a vessel of prayer. And this is what the Jewish males wear on Sabbath. This is what they wear on special holy days.

And it's what Jesus had when the woman who touched the hem of his garment who had been sick for 12 years, she said if I could touch -- she spent all her money with doctors and couldn't get healed. But she said, if I only could touch the hem of his garment, I shall be made whole.

Well, I prayed over that special tallit for Mr. Trump. I fasted and prayed and I put it on him, because he needs prayer. All of us need prayer and I don't understand what the big deal is.

WHITFIELD: All right. Well, I'll rephrase that. It was a gift from you, Bishop Wayne T. Jackson.

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WHITFIELD: All right, thank you so much.

JACKSON: Thank you.

WHITFIELD: Good to see you from Detroit. Appreciate it.

JACKSON: Yes.

WHITFIELD: We'll be right back.

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[16:45:00] WHITFIELD: A heartbreaking end to a 27-year-old cold case, Minnesota authorities confirming to CNN that they have found the remains of an 11-year-old boy who was abducted in 1989. Jacob Wetterling was grabbed by a masked man with a gun. The boy, his brother, and a friend were on their bikes near their rural Minnesota home. And sources tell CNN affiliate, WCCO that a suspect in Jacob's disappearance led the FBI to his remains. Wetterling's abduction was the driving force behind the creation of a national database of registered sex offenders. The trouble in case was profiled recently on CNNs "THE HUNT" with John Walsh. Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This guy wearing a mask came out. And they could see his handgun. This guy told them to get off the bikes and lay down in the ditch or else he would shoot. He asked them one-by-one what their age was. After that, he had Trevor and Aaron one-by-one run off into the nearby woods and not to look back or else he would shoot. As Aaron was taking off, he saw the man grab Jacob's arm.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When he caught up Trevor and they felt safe enough to turn around and look back, they were gone.

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WHITFIELD: CNN's Polo Sandoval is following this breaking developments and joining me now. Devastating for the family, for the community, reliving all of this at the same time, hearing that there's a break in this, you know, the location of the remains.

POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Waiting nearly three decades...

WHITFIELD: Oh, my God.

SANDOVAL: ...for this information, Fred. And we have to remember that Jacob Wetterling's family, they never gave up hope that they would find their son alive someday. Well, this weekend, their worst fear is becoming a reality when the family -- where the remains of Jacob Wetterling were located 27 years after his disappearance.

Members of the community also even stayed optimistic through it all, many leaving their porch lights on at night hoping that Jacob would finally find his way home. Well, sadly, that will not be the case. You hear from some of the members of the community saying that this changed parenting forever.

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ANNIE SPARROW ROGERS, FORMER RESIDENT: Everyday things that we took for granted and allowing them to ride their bikes to the park go to a park reserve. I think it touched America in a way that there is no such place as a safe haven anymore. We just have to be vigilant.

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SANDOVAL: All right, so we do understand the state former (ph) investigator speaking to Daniel Heinrich right now, a man who has been in custody for nearly a year in connection to a federal child pornography case. Police were initially led to him after the abduction of another young boy that happened only nine months before Jacob went missing and also in the same region. Now, typically, CNN does not usually identify victims of sexual assault. However, Jared Scheierl came forward publicly identified himself as that 12-year-old boy who survived his attack. He said he was pulled into a car by a man. He was molested and then later let go. He also shared with police that his masked abductor told him not to turn around after he was allowed to leave or he would be shot.

And you just heard from CNN special series there, there is a lot of similarities there between that case and this one as well. Jacob Wetterling's brother and friend also shared with investigators similar information that fateful night in 1989. This individual also fit the description of several other attacks on young boys in the same region during the late 1980s.

Right now, we're trying to find out what will happen to Daniel Heinrich. Will he face additional charges? That's obviously very likely but back to what we just talked about Fred, this really did change not only parenting, but growing up.

[16:50:00] WHITFIELD: Oh, my gosh.

SANDOVAL: Growing up in the late '80s, during the same time.

WHITFIELD: Yes.

SANDOVAL: I remember my parents and teachers stressing the point of not talking to strangers and much of it due in part to what happened to Jacob.

WHITFIELD: Oh, my gosh. I'm just feeling for the family.

SANDOVAL: Yes.

WHITFIELD: Because this is a tough time for them. It has been for 27 years...

SANDOVAL: Yes.

WHITFIELD: ...and it remains so.

SANDOVAL: Will they find peace? That's the question now.

WHITFIELD: Yes, all right thanks so much, Polo Sandoval. Appreciate it.

All right, an updated episode of the case of Jacob Wetterling airs tonight at 7:00 Eastern on CNN followed by a brand-new episode of "The Hunt" with John Walsh at 9:00 Eastern and we will be right back.

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WHITFIELD: President Barack Obama set to begin his third full day at the G20 Summit in China. He and China's President are dealing with some rather thorny diplomatic issues including trade and China's expanding military presence especially in the South China Sea. Before he left, President Obama sat down exclusively with CNN's Fareed Zakaria and talked about how China must accept more responsibility along with its increasing power.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If you sign a treaty that calls for international arbitration around maritime issues, the fact that you're bigger than the Philippines or Vietnam or other countries in and of itself is not a reason for you to go around and flex your muscles. You've got to abide by international law. And part of what I tried to communicate to President Xi is that the United States arrives at its power in part by restraining itself.

And when we binds ourselves to a bunch of international norms and rules, it's not because we have to, it's because we recognize that over the long term building a strong international order is in our interests, and I think over the long term will be in China's interest as well.

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WHITFIELD: President Obama is also dealing with some simmering tensions between the U.S. and China simmer (ph) accusing China of giving the president a pretty bare bones welcome when he landed a short time ago. A short time after that rather, tensions boiled over between members of the president's entourage and Chinese officials over security access for journalists and state department staff.

[16:55:00] WHITFIELD: All right, so now it's time to take a look at this week's CNN hero, Shara Fisler, who's introducing students from high-poverty neighborhoods in San Diego to a possible career in science.

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SHARA FISLER, CNN HERO: These are barnacles and they attach with their heads. You can study technology, engineering, mathematics all through studying the ocean. This is a career field that students from very diverse communities don't pursue, and our students are pursuing them at unprecedented rates.

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WHITFIELD: All right. To find out more, go to cnnheroes.com and this is the last weekend to nominate someone you know as a 2016 CNN Hero as nominations close Monday night. That's going to do it for me. Thank you for being with me all day long. The next hour of the CNN News Room continues right after this.

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POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: Top of the hour, live in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Poppy Harlow in New York. So, glad you're with us this Sunday. We begin this hour with Donald Trump and his campaign trying again to clarify what the candidate's policy is on immigration, something it has been struggling to do now for two weeks.

Last weekend, Trump promised to lay out his detailed plan.