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Giuliani: Trump No Longer Wants Mass Deportations; Clinton to FBI: Didn't Know "C" Mark Meant Confidential; Found: A Long-Missing Boy's Remains; Syria Seizes 400,000 Tablets of Amphetamine; Documentaries Offer In-Depth Look at Clinton and Trump; Trump's Message of Peace and Unity to African-Americans; Bishop Speaks to CNN After Hosting Trump at Church; Pope Francis Declares Mother Teresa a Saint; 11-Year-Old Jacob Wetterling's Remains Found 27 Years After Abduction. Aired 6-7p ET

Aired September 04, 2016 - 18:00   ET

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POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: Top of the hour, 6:00 p.m. Eastern. I'm Poppy Harlow. Thanks for being with us this evening.

Today, the Donald Trump campaign once again facing questions about where the candidate actually stands on illegal immigration, the very issue that Trump made the cornerstone of his campaign.

[18:00:06] Part of that confusion coming today when one of Trump's most high-profile supporters, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, said Trump is backing away from one of his most controversial proposals, mass deportation.

Here's what he said this morning with Jake Tapper on "STATE OF THE UNION."

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RUDY GIULIANI (R), FORMER NEW YORK MAYOR: If you read that speech carefully, that speech is consistent with what he said in the past, and it leaves a very big opening for what will happen with the people that remain here in the criminals in the United States, after the criminals are removed, and after the border is secure. And he says, in a very, very important sentence, which everybody seemed to ignore but "A.P.", he says there that at that time when America is safe, we will be open to all of the options. Meaning that Donald Trump, as he expressed in one of his interviews recently, would find it very, very difficult to throw out a family that's been here for, you know, 15 years and they have three children, two of whom are citizens. That is not the kind of America he wants.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARLOW: All right. So, that's what Giuliani said. Now, let's listen to what Trump actually said about this just on Wednesday night.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: They're illegal immigrants. They got to go out. CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: How do you do it in a practical way? Do you

really think you can round up 11 million people?

TRUMP: At some point we're going to try to get them back, the good ones.

You're going to have a deportation force. And you're going to do it humanely.

ERIN BURNETT, CNN ANCHOR: Are you going to be sending officers into people's homes to get them out?

TRUMP: We're going to be giving notice. We're going to be saying you have to go.

We have at least 11 million people in this country that came in illegally. They will go out. They will come back, some will come back, the best through a process. They have to come back legally.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARLOW: All right. So, you saw there, over months, he has talked about this mass deportation force. He doubled down on it again in that immigration speech in Wednesday night in Phoenix. So, these questions regarding his stance on immigration are coming. Just as the candidates get ready for their post-Labor Day campaign blitz.

Let's talk about all of it with CNN chief political analyst Gloria Borger. She's with me here in New York. And Errol Louis, CNN political commentator and political anchor for Time Warner Cable News.

Gloria, what is Donald Trump's immigration plan?

GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, number one, we know that he wants to build a wall. I mean, that's clear. So, let's set that aside.

The rest is not clear. I think what he was trying to do in his speech on Wednesday night was thread the needle, and I'm not sure how he did that, because I was re-reading it and I was confused about it Wednesday night when we were covering it, because he said there's only one route. People who are here illegally have to return home and apply for reentry.

Later on down in the speech, he said, in several years, when we've accomplished our enforcement goals, then we'll be in a position to consider the appropriate disposition of those who remain. Well, who will be remaining?

HARLOW: To that sounds more like what Kellyanne Conway said today, what Mike Pence said in the "Meet the Press" interview. Let's take a moment and listen to some of that.

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GOV. MIKE PENCE (R), VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He's been completely consistent on this point.

CHUCK TODD, MEET THE PRESS: No, he's not. He had deportation --

(CROSSTALK)

PENCE: -- illegal immigration at the center of the national debate.

TODD: But he's not been consistent on what to do with the 11 million or 15 million?

PENCE: Well, but there are people in different circumstances in that category.

MARTHA RADDATZ, ABC NEWS: But if they aren't criminals, do they have to go?

KELLYANNE CONWAY, TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER: He has said that you should stand in line and immigrate legally.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARLOW: All right. So, what the Clinton campaign says, you guys, in a statement after this, look, this is a Trump campaign using one of the oldest tricks in the book. They call it using soft words to describe harsh tactics.

Are they right, Errol? Are they -- is the Trump campaign trying to confuse the voter enough so they don't really know where he stands?

ERROL LOUIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, that might well be the practical effect of it. I can't quite believe it would be an operational strategy because I'm not at all confused about it. The man, whether or not the campaign is talking about a logical or an illogical way to implement an unworkable and probably unconstitutional policy, I'm not sure it really makes all that much difference, to tell you the truth. As a practical matter, does anybody really think that you can find and deport 11 million people?

Here's another question, Poppy. When Rudy Giuliani is out there as a surrogate for Donald Trump talking about his plan for immigration, the thing that always gets skipped over is something Donald Trump says in almost every speech which is he's going to get rid of sanctuary cities. Well, New York City is considered a sanctuary city. New York City was considered a sanctuary city under Rudy Giuliani. It didn't just get dumped on Rudy Giuliani, it was a policy that he advanced.

There's no logical consistency to any of the plan, really.

HARLOW: Gloria?

BORGER: So, what they don't want to talk about, it's clear to me, is this mass deportation force.

[18:05:03] HARLOW: Right.

BORGER: Which as you saw during the primaries, Trump talked about his opponents said that's not workable, it's not doable. He said as a result, they were all for amnesty and he wasn't for amnesty. And that's how he distinguish, himself from people like Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio and all the rest. And now, they're listening to Donald Trump and they're saying, wait a minute. If he's not talking about a mass deportation force, isn't he saying exactly what we were saying during the primaries? And the answer to that is maybe, yes.

LOUIS: Well, I mean, look, John Kasich in one of the debates said, look, it's not an adult conversation, you know, and it really isn't. It's not an adult conversation to say, you know, when are we going to get rid of 11 million people? When are we going to deport them? How much is it going to cost? What laws do you have to have to get it done?

HARLOW: How do you really implement?

LOUIS: Yes. I mean, it's really, truly, it's not an adult conversation.

HARLOW: Let's talk about Hillary Clinton and the e-mails that will never on, the on and on with the e-mails. It's a persistent problem that has hampered her campaign, and I want to take a listen back to last October, so a year ago.

Jake Tapper played this morning on "STATE OF THE UNION". I think it's really worth listening to again because he asked her. Shouldn't you have known better not to have a private server? Forget legality, shouldn't have you known better? Here was her answer when talking about classified documents.

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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I dealt with classified information very carefully and seriously. I usually met with people to discuss it. It was delivered to me in hard copy, so marked, and then when I traveled, I had one of those tents because we were afraid of prying eyes from certain governments that I would read classified material in. So, I'm very familiar with the importance o4 treating classified information as it should be, with great care.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARLOW: OK. So, tents for prying eyes, talking about being that careful. Then these documents come out on Friday and it shows a number of things, including the fact that Hillary Clinton, according to the FBI, didn't know that the "C" in front of a paragraph stood for confidential, she thought it was denoting paragraph order.

Errol, can she have it both ways, saying I was extraordinarily careful but I didn't know what this meant?

LOUIS: She's trying to have it both ways, and I think what she's getting is the muddled mess that is being presented to voters, and that anybody who thinks that she needed to be inconsistent or she shouldn't be president, she is not helping herself with that category of voter. There are probably many more who are just going to be purely confused and there may be an element of deliberate misdirection here.

HARLOW: It's the same problem on both sides of the cam today, completely confusing the viewer.

BORGER: Completely confusing the viewer. And the problem Hillary Clinton has with this is, A, she's not made herself available in a press conference where reporters, plural, could pepper her with questions about this. And, you know, it confirms an existing narrative. That's kind of one of the worst things you can do in a campaign if the narrative is bad, which is to confirm it.

And the narrative was, okay, she was careless. Thank you, FBI Director James Comey, for using that phrase, right? That she was careless. That, you know, there is another more negative narrative actually which is that the rules don't apply.

And so, she has to figure out a way to get out of this mess she is in right now, and I think the only way to do it, by the way, is to sort of take it head on if she can do that well.

HARLOW: So, it's interesting because I think this is all reflected in this new ABC/"Washington Post" poll that shows her favorability the lowest it's ever been in her 25 years of public service. Hers is at 30 percent, Trump is at 37 percent. But he numbers are falling among key supporters. I mean, when you look at female support, that fell 10 points. When you look at support among Hispanics, in just a month, it's fallen from 71 percent to 55 percent. Same with liberals.

Why, Errol?

LOUIS: Well, I mean, in part because of what you showed. I mean, I think what we're going to see with Hillary Clinton is the massive amount of money she spent on advertising in the last month was really designed to attack Donald Trump and point him out as maybe someone not suitable to sit in the Oval Office. She now needs to -- and I think we'll see this after Labor Day tomorrow -- we'll see her pivot and start to build herself up and talk less about why the other guy is so awful and why she can, in fact, be trusted despite what we've seen about her e-mails.

HARLOW: Pivot, my least favorite this election.

BORGER: Put it away.

HARLOW: Guys, thank you so much. I've got to leave it there. Gloria, you'll be back to talk about your fascinating documentary on Donald Trump.

Thank you both.

Coming up next, a little boy's remains are finally found in a small town in Minnesota. This is a tragic story that many people have been talking about for their entire lives, the kidnapping, the heartbroken family and the investigation by CNN's John Walsh of Jacob Wetterling, next.

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[18:13:12] HARLOW: For practically my entire life, the name Jacob Wetterling has been a topic of sad conversation in my home state. Everyone in Minnesota knows Jacob's story -- kidnapped at gunpoint at just 11 years old, never seen again. That was back in 1989.

But this weekend, a major break in Jacob's case. FBI agents found and positively identified his remains.

John Lauritsen with our affiliate WCCO has more on Jacob's abduction and how his grieving family was able to save countless other children.

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JACOB WETTERLING, 11-YEAR-OLD: My favorite food is stake. My favorite color is blue.

JOHN LAURITSEN, WCCO (voice-over): Jacob was just 11 years old. And October 22nd, 1989, would be the night that would forever change a family, a city, an entire state.

911 OPERATOR: You've watched.

TREVOR WETTERLING, JACOB'S BROTHER: Sort of.

911 OPERATOR: OK.

TREVOR WETTERLING: And he had like a -- it looked sort of like nylon things as a mask.

LAURITSEN: Jacob was abducted while riding his bike his brother and a friend.

AARON LARSON, WITNESS: He grabbed Jacob and told me to run as fast as I could into the woods or else he'd shoot.

PATTY WETTERLING, JACOB'S MOTHER: There's no explanation. I don't feel the anger yet. I just want him home.

JERRY WETTERLING, JACOB'S FATHER: I'm very optimistic. My son is pretty intelligent. If there's anyway that he can help pull himself through this, he's going to do so.

LAURITSEN: Searches were conducted through the air and on foot the slogan "Jacob's hope" got national attention.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Listen, Jacob, can you hear our prayers? We love you.

LAURITSEN: But weeks and then months went by with no sign of Jacob. His family, however, has never given up hope. In 1990, they established the Jacob Wetterling Foundation, a national database that helps families of missing children. Later, the Jacob Wetterling Act created a sex offender registry and helped launched the Amber Alert.

[18:15:04] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm fighting for the world that Jacob knew and believed in.

LAURITSEN: The years had brought hope for answers. In 2010, investigators used backhoes and searched the farm property of the Wetterling's neighbor Daniel Rassier but nothing was found.

They also interviewed convicted murderer Delbert Huber about Jacob's disappearance, before Huber died in prison.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Never had nothing to do with the Jacob Wetterling kid. Never knew him.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

HARLOW: Well, as part of Jacob's case was featured on CNN series "The Hunt with John Walsh." It details the horrifying night that he was taken right in front of his brother and their friend. The kidnapper telling him to run away or he would shoot him. Look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This guy wearing a mask came out. You could see his handgun. This guy told him to get off their bikes and lay down in the ditch or else he would shoot. He asked them one by one what their age was. After that, he had Trevor and Aaron, one by one run off into the nearby woods. Not to look back or else he would shoot. As Aaron was taking off, he saw the man grab Jacob's arm.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When he caught up to Trevor and they felt safe enough to turn around and look back, they were gone. They were just gone.

Police asked the boys, are you sure you weren't playing with a gun and Jacob just got hurt and you're afraid to tell us what happened? Which is a legitimate question, but they were absolutely clear, no, there was this man with a gun.

JOHN L. SANNER, SHERIFF, STEARNS COUNTY, MN: So, we start to search the area, the immediate area of the abduction and start to fan out from there. Everybody thought that within a few hours, we would get it taken care of.

ROBERT LOWERY JR., VICE PRESIDENT, NATL. CENTER FOR MISSING & EXPLOITED CHILDREN: When it comes to missing children, time is the enemy. Seconds count, hours count. If that child is going to be killed, it's going to happen within the first few hours.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I never went to bed that night. Yes, we were up all night. It was just crazy.

JOHN WALSH, THE HUNT: There are so many parallels in the Wetterling case to our case of Adam. And I will never forget that night when darkness fell and we started to search for Adam. I will never forget that realization and that loneliness.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARLOW: Joining me on the phone is John Walsh.

John, you know, the Wetterling family very well, his mother saying, our hearts are broken, we have words. None of -- I could never put myself in their shoes. What are they saying today?

WALSH (via telephone): Well, I talked to Patty, and I think that they know the reality that the not knowing was killing them, Poppy. You know, most stranger-abducted kids aren't brought home safely, but every now and then, we get lucky with cases like Elizabeth Smart or Jaycee Dugard kept in the backyard of a horrible repeat offender pedophile for 18 years and birth two children while by this terrible guy raping her continually.

But the reality is that lots of parents of missing children never know. So, now, the Wetterlings have an answer, they know where Jacob is. They can put his remains somewhere that they can honor and pray for him the rest of their lives, and the real bonus is the guy who alleged to have murdered Jacob confessed and led them to those remains.

So, they're going to -- they've got an end to that chapter of their life. There is no such thing as closure. I will always be the parent of a murdered child and so will they. But they have a perp in custody and it looks like they're going to get justice.

So they realize and they're very thankful for the people who didn't give up. And what --

HARLOW: Well, exactly.

WALSH: Yes.

HARLOW: I mean, exactly, the people that didn't give up. I mean, look, two years ago marked 25 years since Jacob disappeared that October night, and I know the center for exploited children was really the force behind reigniting this search for answers in all of this. Thousands and thousands of tips to investigators. Leads that went cold. What eventually led police to this and what made this case so, so hard to solve?

WALSH: Well, you're right, Poppy. And, you know, it's a harsh reality that the cases that do get solved many, many times are because the parents are a driving force of keeping that child's face in the media.

[18:20:09] It -- ironically and by coincidence, it took 27 years to solve our six-year-old son's murder, Adam's murder, by us badgering police to open up the case.

HARLOW: Right.

WALSH: And two years ago, Patty Wetterling who was the president of our board of trustees for four years came to me and Bob Lowery, who you just had on a few minutes ago, said, you know, Bob Lowery works at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, and it took years when my wife and I created the center after Adam's death, it took us years to get all these federal agencies to work on the fourth floor together because they never exchanged information.

But Bob as a retired cop said, Patty wants to meet with you. We're at the center. And Patty said, John, it will be my last shot. Could you put Jacob on the show "THE HUNT"? I put him on "America's Most Wanted" a ton of times.

HARLOW: Yes.

WALSH: We think we have a suspect.

So, they focused in. They did a good job. They've reinvigorated the case. The FBI did a really good job, put some new guys on it, and now, it looks like they're going to get justice.

HARLOW: And, John, before I let you go, let's just talk about sort of the extraordinary work that the Wetterling family has done.

I mean, in a statement by the foundation yesterday, the foundation they set up in his name, they said this family could have chosen darkness, and instead they chose light. They took their grief, and they put it into action, changing the laws in this country in every single state.

What difference has that made? How big of an impact has that made, what they've done?

WALSH: Well, I've met thousands of parents of missing and murdered children in the 35 years since Adam, and the Wetterlings decided to do what my wife and I did to honor your child's name and to fight back, to make sure they didn't die in vain.

So, Patty got involved. She has her foundation in Minnesota, but she got very involved in the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. We go out and battle to change laws. The real battle is on the state level. She did a great job on the state level, her and her husband.

And, you know, there is a legacy for Jacob. He's not just another murdered, missing child. There is a legacy that never give up, keep fighting. Unfortunately the parents have to do most of the fighting.

But, you know, I look at them as people that didn't let him take them down. They fought back, and now, finally, after 27 years, they get their answer. But I say to people all the time, do not give up looking for missing children, don't write them off.

It's the worst thing is the not knowing. And now, at least the Wetterlings know.

HARLOW: Absolutely. And now in every state, sex offenders have to be registered because of the work that they have done in their son's name.

John Walsh, thank you very much.

And CNN will be re-airing that episode of "THE HUNT" featuring Jacob's story with John Walsh. That is right after this program. It's tonight 7:00 Eastern.

All right. Coming up, soldiers of ISIS have terrorized millions. But some say their war on the innocent has been fueled by illegal drugs. Amphetamines, these pills known as go pills. More on that fascinating, troubling story ahead.

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[18:27:03] HARLOW: It is the powerful amphetamine circulating throughout war zones in the Middle East.

Today, Syrian authorities announcing they have seized 400,000 tablets of Captagon in the capital city of Damascus. The seizure happened on Saturday. This is a drug that is illegal and it flows freely on the black market and jihadi fighters are believed to be using it as a so- called "go pill" on the battlefield.

Our Brian Todd reports.

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BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A captured ISIS militant named Kareem tells CNN how he got his battlefield courage.

KAREEM, CAPTURED ISIS MILITANT (through translator): They gave us drugs, hallucinogenic pills that would make you go to battle not caring if you live or die.

TODD: When our CNN team interviewed Kareem last year he was being held by Kurdish militants in northern Syria. It was impossible to know if he was telling the truth or if he was being coached by his captors.

But now, a U.S. official tells CNN, it's believed some jihadist fighters are using the drug Captagon, a dangerous and powerful amphetamine. How would it fuel them on the battlefield?

DR. ROBERT KEISLING, PSYCHIATRIST, MEDSTAR WASHINGTON HOSPITAL CENTER: It keeps you awake. You can stay awake for days at a time. You don't have to sleep. But -- and it gives you a sense of well-being and euphoria and you think that you're invincible and that nothing can harm you.

TODD: Recently, the UN's drug czar said ISIS and the al-Qaeda affiliated Nusra Front were believed to be smuggling the chemical precursors for Captagon. A U.S. law enforcement official tells CNN there is a robust black market for the drug in the Middle East.

Analysts say the profits fund weapons purchases for jihadist groups.

MATTHEW LEVITT, WASHINGTON INSTITUTE FOR NEAR EAST POLICY: Hezbollah, and people affiliated with Hezbollah have a long history in the production and sale of Captagon. At one point, there was a fight between Hezbollah- affiliated persons because some people were angry they weren't getting a cut of some of this business. TODD: Captagon was developed in the '60s and was first used to treat

people with hyperactivity. It's since been banned in the U.S. and elsewhere. And while some question the drug's prevalence among fighters who preach Islamic purity, analysts say jihadists can find a justification.

(on camera): Is it hypocritical? Is it a violation of cultural, religious principles?

DAVEED GARTENSTEIN-ROSS, FOUNDATION FOR DEFENSE OF DEMOCRACIES: Jihadist scholars would argue that this is not hypocritical. That, first of all, it's not a drug that's being taken to get high.

TODD (voice over): Psychiatrist Robert Keisling who's treated thousands of addicts, says Captagon's hallucinogenic, it can make a user hear voices and see things that aren't there.

(on camera): That could hurt you on the battlefield, right?

KEISLING: Absolutely. Yes, but I think they have made the decision that keeping these guys awake for four or five days at a time and giving them the sense of invincibility is worth whatever harm or side effects the drugs have.

TODD (on camera): For whatever sense of euphoria and invincibility Captagon might produce, Dr. Keisling says, there are horrible downsides. Users he says, can become psychotic, brain damaged and, of course, can get addicted to the drug for years to come.

Brian Todd, CNN, Washington.

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HARLOW: Brian, thank you very much. Fascinating reporting.

All right. Coming up next, turning to politics and personal stories about the presidential candidates who know them best. A sneak peek at a night of CNN special reports on Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, next.

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HARLOW: Tomorrow night on CNN, two special reports, in depth and personal with the candidates. It all begins 8:00 p.m. Eastern with "UNFINISHED BUSINESS: THE ESSENTIAL HILLARY CLINTON" followed at 10:00 by "ALL BUSINESS: THE ESSENTIAL DONALD TRUMP."

Joining me now, CNN Chief Political Analyst Gloria Borger and CNN Justice Correspondent Pamela Brown, the two women behind these extraordinary documentaries. Thank you both for being here.

GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: Of course.

PAMELA BROWN, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Glad to be here.

HARLOW: Are you relieved that they're done? Is it like, I mean -- BORGER: Yes.

BROWN: There's nothing we could do now, restarting again.

BORGER: Right. Right.

HARLOW: It's a big lift, no question, for you and the entire team. Pamela, you sat down with Hillary Clinton. Gloria, you did the documentary on Donald Trump. And let's begin -- we're going to look at both of them. Let's begin with this clip of Hillary Clinton talking about the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

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BROWN: How difficult was it to go through something so private, so personal under the glare of the spotlight as the first lady?

HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It was really hard. It was painful. And I was so supported by my friends. My friends just rallied around. They would come. They would try to make me laugh. They would recommend books to read. We'd go for long walks. We'd hang out, you know, eat bad food. I mean, just the kind of things you do with your friends.

And it was something that you just had to get up every day and try to deal with while still carrying on a public set of responsibilities. So it was very, very challenging.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARLOW: So what I think is so fascinating about this, Pamela, is this is not a look at the campaign they're running now. This is about the people, right? And one of the big criticisms that Clinton faces is she's too scripted.

BROWN: Yes.

HARLOW: You saw a different side of her. What did you leave that interview seeing?

BROWN: It was not scripted, from what I experienced, and you just saw it right there. I mean, seeing her so open, talking about the pain of what happened after Monica Lewinsky revelations came to light and having her girlfriends rally around her, you know, it's a reminder that she's human. She has emotions.

And it was a different side of Hillary Clinton that I personally hadn't seen where she was very open. She was engaging, accessible, talking about some difficult times in her life. In fact, at one point, she kind of made light of this notion that she's too scripted or robotic, as some say.

HARLOW: Right.

BROWN: You know, we talked about that 2008 moment in the diner when she got emotional, and I asked her about that. She says she thinks about it all the time and that it sort of caught her off guard that she got emotional. And I said, well, you know, you're human. Humans have emotion. And she just kind of laughed and said, don't tell anyone. It's a best kept secret.

You know, I mean, she knows that there is this perception out there. But I think that this is a side of Hillary Clinton that people need to see more of.

HARLOW: I think that a lot of people will see for the first time that you're right in this documentary.

So, Gloria, "THE ESSENTIAL DONALD TRUMP," one of the moments in this documentary, his children talked about his divorce from his first wife. Let's play that.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BORGER: You didn't talk to your dad for a year or so. Can you talk a little bit about why that was and how you felt as a teenager?

DONALD TRUMP, JR., DONALD TRUMP'S SON: Listen, I think for me, I was 12, right? So --

BORGER: You were 12.

TRUMP, JR: I was 12. You know, you think you're a man. You're starting to feel like you are. Like, you don't really understand the way everything else works. It was a difficult time. I mean, it's certainly difficult reading about in the papers every day on the way to school.

BORGER: I read this story about you that when you heard about it, you asked your mom whether you were still going to be Ivanka Trump. Is that a true story?

IVANKA TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP'S DAUGTHER: Yes. You know, I think I was digesting things and trying to understand as, you know, a 10 or 11- year-old would the implications.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARLOW: What a reminder, at least for me, right there. These kids have been in the public eye their entire --

BORGER: Entire lives.

HARLOW: -- entire lives.

BORGER: Entire lives.

HARLOW: So this is actually nothing new to them. It's just in a new sort of realm or sphere. But what else did you learn about sort of growing up Trump?

BORGER: First of all, they've been in the middle of controversy their entire lives. HARLOW: Yes.

BORGER: I mean, their parents were getting divorced and it was a tabloid war in New York City and so they had to live through that. And I think their parents, in a way, tried to shield them from it, but how can you --

HARLOW: You can't.

BORGER: -- how can you do that? What struck me is how close they remain to their father, and also how involved they are in this campaign. It's not just going out there and being a surrogate. Ivanka's husband, Jared Kushner, is very involved in the running of this campaign as are the rest of his adult children, not just surrogates but sitting around the table and making decisions. And they're the first people Donald Trump goes to when he wants advice and the last people he talks to when he wants advice.

HARLOW: Also in the films, Chelsea Clinton and Ivanka Trump both talk about the moment when they had to introduce their boyfriends to their parents. Let's look at that.

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BORGER: How about when you brought home a date or a boyfriend?

I. TRUMP: I was too smart to bring home a date or a boyfriend.

BORGER: Did you try --

I. TRUMP: I think I brought home my husband, that's it.

BROWN: What about your mom? What was she like when you would bring boys home?

CHELSEA CLINTON, HILLARY CLINTON'S DAUGHTER: Well, she already knew all about them. You know, I'm so close to my mom that she had already kind of asked me, even grilled me, on kind of anything and everything she felt like she needed to know.

H. CLINTON: I remember one boy she brought, and he was going through that stage where he was wearing a baseball cap the whole time. And I finally told him, I said, you have to take off your baseball cap. You're in the White House and we're going to have dinner, and you cannot sit at the table with your baseball cap on.

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HARLOW: No hats at the dinner table at the White House.

BROWN: No.

HARLOW: These are the humanizing moments, I think, for the candidates. Their kids humanize them, right?

BORGER: Totally. Totally, yes. Right. BROWN: And it's so important, I mean, especially, you know, Hillary Clinton. As you were saying earlier, she is seen as scripted.

HARLOW: Right.

BROWN: Everything she does, her critics say, is calculating. And so who better to go out and really be a character witness than the children, than Chelsea Clinton who you heard talking about her as a regular mom, vetting her boyfriends beforehand.

HARLOW: Right. But what's interesting is Chelsea and Ivanka have been really, really good friends.

BROWN: Right.

BORGER: Not so much as of --

HARLOW: Anymore, but I remember sitting down with Ivanka last year and she -- they were still very good friends. It was at the beginning of this campaign.

BORGER: Right.

HARLOW: And, you know, now they're really on opposite sides of all this.

BORGER: Right. And I think it's got to be difficult for them, and I think what both of us are trying to do here in this documentary is give you the sweep of these peoples' lives.

And for Donald Trump, we forget he hasn't been in politics. So a lot of the people I talked to are business people, people who knew him when he was growing up, people who dealt with him when he became a celebrity in "The Apprentice," for example. So it's a complete -- people who dealt with him when he was in the tabloids and went through all his very public drama, you know, with Ivana. And for Hillary Clinton, it's a different kind of life, a completely different kind of a life.

HARLOW: Also always in the public eyes.

BROWN: It's interesting, people, you know, when I was -- we were talking about this yesterday. People think Hillary Clinton, she's been in the public eye for so long, we know everything there is to know about her. But I learned that's not true.

HARLOW: Yes.

BROWN: I mean, in this project, there was a lot I learned about her, and I think people are going to watch and be surprised about how much they didn't know about her.

HARLOW: I can't wait to see it, guys. Congratulations on being done.

BORGER: Yes. I know. HARLOW: Go have a celebratory glass of wine. And all of you watching, do not miss it tomorrow night. "CNN SPECIAL REPORT, THE ESSENTIAL HILLARY CLINTON," "THE ESSENTIAL DONALD TRUMP," tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. Eastern only right here.

Coming up next, Donald Trump, reached out to African-Americans in Detroit. You saw it all take place yesterday. After that, he had an interview with that Black pastor behind closed doors. What did Trump say? We'll hear it from the pastor next, live in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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HARLOW: Well, you heard it over the span of recent weeks, Donald Trump's pitch to African-American voters, what do you have to lose? But yesterday, in Detroit, he pitched peace and unity to a church. The pastor of that church who hosted the visit also met one-on-one with Trump. His name is Bishop Wayne T. Jackson.

And this afternoon, our Fredricka Whitfield spoke to him about Trump's visit and their one-on-one interview after the service and criticisms surrounding it. She asked Jackson if he believed that Trump was sincere in this visit. Listen.

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WAYNE T. JACKSON, FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT, THE IMPACT NETWORK: We've been hearing promises from politicians, you know, all of our lives, so getting something done, you said, what do I believe, you know, is from Missouri. You know, show me and we'll go from there. But he was very believable. He was very compassionate. He won a lot of people over as far as his genuineness, as far as what they felt. And, you know, he was very, very kind and very listening, attentive to the people that spoke to him, and I really believe that he'd done a wonderful job.

FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: So what did you get from him --

JACKSON: Well, we --

WHITFIELD: -- just from a citizen talking to another citizen?

JACKSON: Well, we talked about that. And I explained to him that, you know, there are a lot of situations in our community and when you try to maybe broaden or say what everybody -- you can't paint everybody with the same brush, that, you know, all African-Americans are not, you know, going out of their homes and their neighborhoods and getting shot or, you know, robbed. You know, there is a diversity in our community of folks.

Things that were -- what was on my heart that's really, really -- that I was really concerned about and that is the killings of unarmed Black African-American men and the justice department. I wanted really -- I wanted to know what would the justice department look like and why, you know, we see -- it seemed like it's a double standard. You know, this Caucasian boy rapes a girl, gets six months, only do three months, and some African-Americans are in jail just for smoking weed or whatever.

And we want to know that if this is his -- what is his -- what is the administration going to look like in the justice department? How are we going to solve these problems when it comes to --

WHITFIELD: And he said?

JACKSON: And he said it's 3not right. He said that he understands it. That's what he said. And we're going to do something about it.

WHITFIELD: Well, you know the "Detroit Free Press" editorial board had published an op-ed and essentially said, you know, Detroit should not allow itself to be used, your church should not allow itself to be used by Donald Trump's gain. What's your response to that?

JACKSON: Well, I'm going to ask a question.

WHITFIELD: Do you see it that way?

JACKSON: Well, I'm going to ask a question. CNN has sat down and interviewed him, MSNBC, Fox. We have --

WHITFIELD: We're a news organization. We have also --

JACKSON: I'm sorry.

WHITFIELD: We're a news organization. We should convey all sides.

JACKSON: No, no. What I'm saying -- no, no, no. What I'm saying, in essence, in this is that if people want to know and he wants to speak to the African-American community, well, we're the only African- American Christian television network. And people want to know because he's been pitching to Black folk or African-Americans from a White audience.

So I don't understand why people say, well, Donald Trump needs to go to the African-American church. He needs to stop pitching to Black folk in a White audience. So when he comes, then they get upset, then they say you're being used.

We're being trying to be manipulated all the time. Everybody tries to manipulate whoever. But I'm saying, in essence, is this, that people should have enough of an understanding Black folks don't need a guardian to tell them whether or not they're being manipulated or not. I don't understand that. People have a brain and they can make their own decision.

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HARLOW: Fascinating interview. His interview with Donald Trump will air on the Impact Network in just about a week. The pastor says the entire interview is now in production and they tentatively hope to air it on Thursday.

Coming up in "LIFE," she spent her days helping India's poor. And now in death, she's been declared a saint. The remarkable tribute to Mother Teresa this morning at the Vatican, when we return live in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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HARLOW: Tonight's number is 1,500. That is how many homeless people were bused in the Vatican today. They were given seats of honor as Mother Teresa was made a saint. They were among the tens of thousands who filled St. Peter's Square this morning to watch the canonization of the late Catholic nun. She was known as the saint of the gutters. Mother Teresa devoted her life to helping the poor and sick in India. Our Vatican correspondent Delia Gallagher in Rome has more. Delia.

DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN VATICAN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Poppy. What a day it has been. It is very hot in Rome right now, but it didn't stop about 120,000 people from coming down here to the Square. They came from all over the world. We saw flags from India, from Albania, and all countries in between.

Everybody loved Mother Teresa. She was everybody's nun, and they came here to hear Pope Francis make the official declaration in Latin that Mother Teresa was now Saint Teresa of Calcutta. And when he did that, Poppy, a huge cheer went up from the crowd. Great enthusiasm here for the life of this nun.

Of course, the Vatican conducts a long investigation into the life of a potential saint. One of the things that they look for are the two miracles. And one of the miracles that they found was a Brazilian man who said that he had been cured of a brain infection, of abscesses on his brain, when he held a prayer card with a picture of Mother Teresa to his head and kept it under his pillow, and he and his wife prayed to her for his healing.

Now, Poppy, after this solemn ceremony, I have to say Pope Francis surprised us once again when he offered a pizza party to 1,500 of Rome's poor and homeless in the Vatican. Poppy?

HARLOW: Wow, a pizza party at the Vatican. Delia Gallagher for us in Rome tonight. Thank you so much.

It has been called the case that changed parenting in Minnesota. The people of St. Joseph reflect on the tragic case of Jacob Wetterling and how nothing was the same after he disappeared.

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HARLOW: Earlier tonight, we brought you the sad update of the case of Jacob Wetterling, the 11-year-old Minnesota boy whose remains were found this weekend decades after he was abducted riding his bike. The case had a profound impact not just on his hometown but on parents across Minnesota and, frankly, parents across this entire country. Kate Raddatz with our affiliate WCCO reports.

KATE RADDATZ, WCCO-TV REPORTER: Parents stopping by the St. Joe Meat Market remembered a time when kids used to play outside until the late hours.

JEFF KREMERS, PARENT: We went everywhere. We just knew you had to be home for dinner and you had to be home at bedtime, and that you could roam anywhere.

RADDATZ: But on October 22, 1989, that all changed.

KREMERS: It kind of took away an innocence.

RADDATZ: Eleven-year-old Jacob Wetterling's disappearance rocked St. Joseph and took over national headlines. It changed parenting forever.

SANDY STOCKER, FORMER RESIDENT: Life changed after that very much.

RADDATZ: Sandy Stocker used to live in Jacob's neighborhood. She says her two children were outside playing that night and saw Jacob and his friends before they left on their fateful trip to the convenience store.

STOCKER: They had to stay in the house, and we went with them whenever they went to the playgrounds or to their friends and made sure that that's where they were.

ANNIE SPARROW ROGERS, FORMER RESIDENT: Every day, things that we took for granted, allowing them to ride their bikes to the park, go to a park reserve.

RADDATZ: Annie Rogers was living in Plymouth with her two children when Jacob went missing. She says it didn't matter where you live.

ROGERS: I think it just touched America in a way that there is no such places as safe haven anymore. We just have to be vigilant.

RADDATZ: With Jacob's remains found, could we ever go back to that time of innocence?

ROGERS: I think it's changed forever. I do.

KREMERS: No, it's gone, I think.

HARLOW: Kate Raddatz reporting. Thank you, Kate. Jacob's case was recently featured on CNN's "THE HUNT WITH JOHN WALSH." CNN will be re-airing Jacob's episode. That is next right here. It's followed by a brand new episode of "THE HUNT" at 9:00 p.m. Eastern and Pacific.

Thank you so much for being with me tonight. I'm Poppy Harlow in New York. Have a great week.