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[11:00:02] BECKY ANDERSON, CNN HOST: The day that changed the United States and the world forever, marking 15 years since the worst terrorist

attack on Ameriacn soil, we are live at Ground Zero for you.

Also ahead...


UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): It's a good step, but what's a guarantee it will remain in place?


ANDERSON: Cautious optimism in Syria as the U.S. and Russia agree to a cease fire to begin in 24 hours but the war changed the lives of dozens as

f air strikes continue.

And millions of Muslims from around the world descend on Islam's holiest site. We'll get a firsthand perspective on the Hajj pilgrimage in Saudi


Just after 7:00 in the UAE. Hello, and welcome to Connect the World. I'm Becky Anderson.

It has been 15 years to the day since the worst terror attack in U.S. history. A ceremony taking place right now at ground zero in New York in

honor of the victims. Families who lost their loved ones on that horrific day have been reading the names of the dead.

Nearly 3,000 people were killed when four planes crashed in to the Twin Towers in New York, the Pentagon in Washington, and a field in


Well, in the ceremony at the Pentagon, President Barack Obama told the world, quote, "we

remember and we will never forget."


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The question before us, as always, is how do we preserve the legacy of those we lost? How do we live

up to their example? And how do we keep their spirit alive in our own hearts?

Well, we have seen the answer in a generation of Americans, our men and women in uniform,

diplomats, intelligence, homeland security and law enforcement professionals, all whom have stepped forward to serve and who have risked

and given their lives to keep us safe.


ANDERSON: Well, CNN's Rachel Crane joining me now from Ground Zero in New York. And Rachel, just describe the mood today, if you will.

RACHEL CRANE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Becky, today is a day of mourning. It's hard to believe it's been 15 years since that horrific day that nearly

3,000 people died. Right now a memorial is being held at ground zero. Very emotional. We are hearing some antidotes about some of the people

that perished, the reading of the names as well as several moments of silence, of course one held for each time the towers were hit, one being

held for each time the towers fell, in addition to the Pentagon being hit and the crash of Flight 93.

Now, of course, this is a day of mourning and remembrance. It also has a lot of Americans

fearing about the possibility of another major terror attack. CNN had the opportunity to speak with the police commissioner earlier today who said

that there is no immediate threat of any kind of terrorist attack here in New York City.

We also had the chance to speak with Jeh Johnson, the secretary of Homeland Security, who said that U.S. is better equipped than ever before to prevent

and also handle a terrorist attack on the magnitude of 9/11.

He did, however, point out that these lone wolf terrorist attacks that we are seeing has been something they are still learning how to handle. Of

course this memorial here, Becky, also not the only one being held in the country to honor the victims and their families, several being held here in

New York city, also as you pointed out, at the Pentagon. And of course, the memorial in lights will be illuminated this evening and will dim out at

dawn -- Becky.

ANDERSON: 11:04 in New York. Rachel, thank you.

The passage of time hasn't dulled the fear and anger many Americans feel about the 9/11

attacks. The new CNN. ORC poll shows that half of Americans, half of Americans, surveyed feel terror attacks are at least somewhat likely around

the 9/11 anniversary. That is up from 39 percent five years ago.

Now, the poll also shows that 74 percent of those surveyed say they feel anger when they think about the 9/11 attacks, that is up from 62 percent

five years ago.

Well, joining me with more on the impact of these attacks is our Fareed Zakaria, host of Fareed Zakaria GPS joining us out of New York. Pleasure

to have you, Fareed.

Do remind us just where you were on September 11, 2001.

[11:05:05] FAREED ZAKARIA, HOST, GPS: I was driving out of New York City, out of Manhattan. I was taking -- I was at the time working at Newsweek

magazine. I was taking what I thought was going to be a month sabbatical to finish up a book. I was listening to Mozart on the radio and I turned

to the news and I heard the horrific news about these two passenger planes that had struck the Twin Towers. Nobody quite knew what it was.

I suspected it was al Qaeda because of course I had been following al Qaeda. I knew about the embassy bombings, the attack on the USS Cole, the

American warship.

So, I turned around immediately. Couldn't get in, because by then all bridges and tunnels had been shut. Manhattan had been sealed off. But

then realized, of course, my sabbatical was over and finally got straight to Newsweek and began to writing a storm for the next month.

ANDERSON: Fareed, 15 years on as our CNN poll shows, Americans are very angry still about 9/11, more angry in 2016 than they were five years ago.


ZAKARIA: I think there's one simple reason for that, and that is the rise of ISIS. If you watch the way Americans, and much of the world really,

have reacted to 9/11 -- there was shock, and horror, and anger right after -- and puzzlement, most people didn't understand what had happened. And

they were introduced to the problem of jihad and radical Islam really after 9/11.

Then there's this period of the aggressive American counter response and much of the world is startled by that American counter response. You know,

partly cannot believe that the United States is just so powerful that they can mobilize resources on such a scale and that scares a lot of people.

They look at American unilateral power.

You remember the demonstrations against the Iraq war all over the world.

But Then that all starts fades, Iraq becomes more or less stable. Al Qaeda gets more or less

vanquished. You remember the attack that kills Osama bin Laden. Then you get the rise of ISIS.

I believe the worries the that that poll reflects are almost entirely related to the rise of ISIS; and

the rise of ISIS not simply as a group, because you can track a group, you can track its funds, you can drone attack its leaders, but the rise of ISIS

as an inspiration, which it has seemed to be more effective at doing than al Qaeda. How do you defeat an idea that inspires people around the world?

ANDERSON: Well, many people will say that ISIS is the result of the instability that's being created over the years since 2001 in the Middle


I want to bring in something that you had published on Friday on where you

say, and I quote, "since that day in September 2001, the United States has waged two major wars, embarked on dozens of smaller military missions,

built a vast bureaucracy of homeland security, and established new rules and processes all meant to protect the U.S. and its allies from the dangers

of Islamic terrorism. Some of these actions have protected America, you say and its allies, but the striking change that has taken place across the

Middle East is that stability has been replaced by instability."

That instability, Fareed, is in many ways out of control wildfire of havoc, cruelty and terror. In a nutshell, did Washington's reaction make it and

the world safer or not?

ZAKARIA: I think it's a complicated Question. I think -- you know, one would have to say

that some of the actions of the United States took -- destroying the Taliban in Afghanistan, going after al Qaeda and its leaders, systemically

tracking terrorist groups funding, getting together a global coalition that now tracks the funding for terror groups, all that has made not just

America safer but the world safer. So the focus that governments around the world now have

on terrorism, which was not quite present, is necessary, is real and has beneficial consequences.

We all go through airports in a different way than when we did. When we wire transfer money

anywhere in the world it is appropriately looked at by government agencies. The military response I think was an overreaction, I think, when it came to

Iraq, of course. It may be an overreaction in some other places. And I think it was an overreaction, because I think nobody quite recognized how

fragile the political order of the Middle East was.

There is a scenario in which you can imagine the invasion of Iraq being like the invasion of the

Kalkans -- you know, Kosovo, or Bosnia, stabilizes the area, brings some form of legitimate government. Things are hard and tough and it takes

awhile. That is not what happened, because these countries were not real countries. There is no Iraq anymore, there is no Syria, there is no Libya.

And it turned out when you got rid of the guy at the top, there was simply chaos underneath.

[11:10:29] ANDERSON: Speaking with some of the work -- prolific writing that you do, I was

interested to compare what you had written in 2016 ahead of this anniversary and that which you

wrote back in 2011, reflecting on all that happened in what was then ten years, Fareed, since 9/11. And at that stage you wrote this, "America

needs to get back its energy and focus on its true challenge -- staying competitive and vibrant in a rapidly changing world that requires not great

exertions of foreign policy and war, but deep, domestic changes at home. The danger comes not

from them, but from us."

I think perhaps that -- those words perhaps resonate even more to a certain extent in 2016 than they did back in 2011.

You mentioned that the British lost their empire in part by failing to see a rising Germany. That could apply to any great state's demise. Five

years on from writing that article that I have just quoted you from, do you think that Washington is too myopic?

ZAKARIA: I think that the Obama administration has tried to follow a policy which keeps

terrorism in the proper place -- that is a real, an urgent threat, one that has to be paid attention to, but has also tried to look at these longer

term challenges in foreign policy terms the pivot to Asia recognizing that in ten years four of the five largest economies in the world are going to

be in Asia, and America has to engage that. At home, the incredible focus on revival of

manufacturing, particularly advanced manufacturing, clean energy, sorting out some of our health care

mess which remains pretty messy.

So, I think the Obama administration has tried to follow a longer strategic game in exactly the way that I was describing. Unfortunately, I think it

remains fairly isolated in Washington. The mood in Washington remains -- you know, there's a kind of quasi-imperialistic tone to the way we think of

the world still. That is any problem in the world must be solved by the United States quickly, with a military solution. And if we don't, it is a

sign of the administration and the president's weakness.

You see that in Syria. God knows what the solution to Syria would be, but everyone is

sure what we need to do is have enormous exertions of American military power.

And I think the danger there, the analogy I bring up is Britain. You know, if you think about Britain ruling the world, the most powerful

manufacturing country in the world ever. And then it goes in to the series of imperial escapades -- and it drains the British treasury to the point

where the empire essentially becomes a vast drain on this very productive country, and Germany and the United States overtake it.

I hope that story doesn't get replayed with China playing that role where slowly it continues to rise and rise and we are still worrying about

whether Sunnis and Shias are getting on in provinces in Iraq and Syria.

ANDERSON: Fascinating. Fareed, it's a pleasure to have you on. Thank you.

ZAKARIA: My pleasure. Thanks so much.

ANDERSON: It is 15 years on from -- thank you September 11, 2001. Remembrance services have also been held near Jerusalem. It's the only

memorial outside of the U.S. that lists the name of all 9/11 victims.

A group of first responders who rushed to help when the towers were hit are at the 9/11 living

memorial in Israel to commemorate this, the 15th anniversary of the disaster.

Oren Liebermann reports.


OREN LIBERMANN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Becky, the ceremony here focused around the memorial right here behind me, what's called the 9/11

living memorial. A number of different groups came and laid these wreaths down, and you can see the name of each

group, the embassy of the United States, for example, the Jerusalem municipality, here to lay these wreaths in commemoration of the 15th

anniversary of 9/11.

And at the center of this memorial is this right here behind this protective glass, a piece of the Twin Towers given to Israel by the city of

New York.

It's called a living memorial, because it is designed to show the living bond between the United States and Israel, the bond between New York and

Jerusalem. And that was the focus of today's ceremony as these two countries, the United States and Israel commemorate together. Right at the

beginning of the ceremony, there was the playing of the U.S. national anthem and then a moment of silence. We will pause for a second ourselves

to look into this moment.

[11:15:13] Among the people here commemorating 9/11 is a group of 50 police officers and sheriffs and firefighters, some of whom were there. First

responders in New York City on 9/11 from the New York City Police Department.

I asked the head of the delegation what's it like not being in the United States to commemorate 9/11 on the 15th anniversary? What is it like being

overseas. And here's what he had to say.

CRAIG FLOYD, NATIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS MEMORIAL FUND: We could not be prouder to stand with our police colleagues here in Israel to

commemorate that anniversary and to know that they share our grief and they remember those men and women who died

tragically on that terrible day, including 72 law enforcement officers who died trying to save and help those innocent people that were in need.

LIEBERMANN: Behind the 9/11 living memorial is 14 engraved tablets which with each name of the victims of 9/11, nearly 3,000 names across those

tablets. There were People put flowers on the tablets as a way to commemorate and remember and we have seen a number of

people after the ceremony coming and reflecting in their own quiet way here.

One of the points made by the U.S. ambassador to Israel, Dan Shapiro, when he spoke, was that there is now a population of Americans and others who

don't know what happened on that day, who didn't experience it firsthand. He said it is incumbent on everyone, Americans and others, to teach that

generation, to pass the story of what happened that day from year to year, generation to generation, so they can experience it, so they know it as if

it was firsthand -- Becky.


ANDERSON: Oren Liebermann there reporting for you. Still to come this evening, will security fears and a regional row affect the harsh

pilgrimage, one year after hundreds died in a stampede? The details a little later this hour.

First up, though, hours before a peace deal takes hold in Syria, attack killed dozens. The latest on the ground and full analysis of the

agreement, that's next.


ANDERSON: You're watching CNN. This is Connect the World with Becky Anderson. Nearly 20 past 7:00 in the UAE where we are broadcasting from a

deal at last. In about 24 hours from now, as the sun sets across Syria on Monday, a ceasefire is set to give pause to the country's civil war.

That's at least the promise.

Here are the key points of that agreement as nailed down by Russia and the United States. Damascus won't be able to fly its war planes over areas

where rebels are present. Aid, like food and medicine, will be able to get around much more easily. And Moscow and Washington may combine their

firepower to take out the same militants.

But just as hands were being shaken on that deal in Geneva, bombs shaking the ground across northern Syria, I'm afraid. Activists tell CNN at least

61 people were killed by this air strike in the rebel-held city of Idlib on Saturday.

Strikes killed dozens more in Aleppo, as well. Let's get you the very latest on the developments on the ground now. CNN's Jomana Karadsheh is

with us from Amman, the capital of Jordan. That's right next door to Syria.

Jomana, it does seem both sides, or perhaps I should say all sides, because this is, of course, multi-layered and very complex, trying to maximize

their gains before this promised cessation of hostilities begins on the 12th, Monday.

Should we be surprised by that?

[11:20:55] JOMANA KARADSHEH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Becky, at this point, it would seem there is no let up in the violence, so it does

seem that every party here is trying to solidify its position or maximize the gains at this point.

And it is also worth mentioning, as you said we are 24 hours away from this deal really going in to effect, seeing a cessation of hostilities on the

ground, but we have not yet heard an official position from the moderate rebel groups on the ground on whether they will be committing to a

ceasefire or not.

And as you mentioned, this violence -- today we were speaking to activists in Aleppo. And they also described a scene where the city, this eastern

part of Aleppo that is rebel-held under bombardment yet again after we saw this for a few weeks now.

But after the announce of the deal on Saturday, different neighborhoods in eastern Aleppo

coming under air strikes again. And we saw that today. But of course the deadliest attack happened in northwestern Syria. This was at a crowded

market. This is leading up to the Eid holiday where these markets would be packed with shoppers at around noon. People were gathered there when the

air strike happened. And we spoke to an eyewitness today who really described another

horrific situation there unfolding at the market, 61 people killed, more than 100 others wounded. Many of those, Becky, are children and women.

And the activists that we spoke to say they find it hard to believe that they are going to see a

pause in the violence. They really desperately want to see this happen because they want to see aid coming in to Aleppo, which is really running

very short on all sorts of supplies, whether food, medicine, now fuel that runs generators for their hospitals. So, they really want to see this

happen, but there's a lot of skepticism. They say whether these are air strikes by the Russians or the Syrians they find it hard to believe that

this is just going to all change tomorrow and they say that they've seen truces in the past come and go and then violence after that that is much


So, we're going to have to wait and see what happens tomorrow, Becky.

ANDERSON: And just consider this, it was some of our colleagues who were in Aleppo, I think back in 2012, describing it at that stage as apocalyptic

and a catastrophe.

We are three, four years on from then, things so much worse.

All right. Thank you, Jomana.

Let's dig a little more into this deal, then, between Washington and Moscow. Remember, this is a deal cut between John Kerry and Lavrov

effectively in Geneva, Moscow and the U.S. backing different sides in this conflict.

For that we are joined by our regular guest Fawaz Gerges, chair of contemporary Middle

Eastern studies at the London School of Economics and the author of this book, "ISIS: A History."

And I just want to get a sense of voice, really, from those in the region. Because we can analyze this all we want. But after more than five years of

fighting, Syrians themselves are weary of war. Those who are still alive, and particularly those who are still in the country -- we're not talking

about the millions who have left. Many are skeptical, of course, though of this new deal, Fawaz. they've seen agreements come and go time and again.

Before you and I talk, have a listen to how one man who lives in Aleppo put it.


YASER ABO ALNOOR, LIVES IN ALEPPO (through translator): Mostly we are with it. It's in the general interest of the Syrian people to stop the rivers

of blood and stopping bloodshed is the first good step. It's a good step, but what's the guarantee that it will remain in place. If it continues for

seven or ten days, then what happens after that?


ANDERSON: Well, not everyone so unsure this time around, though. Let's get the view from Syria's capital, Damascus, where one resident, Fawaz, was

far more hopeful.


ALI MUBARAK, LIVES IN DAMASCUS (through translator): I'm optimistic. And Russians are our friends. They do not leave us. But yesterday's agreement

is unclear so far. And concerning President Assad it is a red line. Nobody negotiates the president's role with us.


ANDERSON: Two starkly different views, Fawaz, from two very, very different cities.

Who's right here?

[11:25:12] FAWAZ GERGES, LONDON SCHOOL OF ECONOMICS: Well, Becky, it's not about who's right and wrong, if you are living in opposition-controlled

areas in eastern Aleppo, in Idlib, in al-Rutta (ph), in Daraa (ph), of course you would be skeptical, of course you would question the ability and

the United States to deliver. You would realize there's more to the agreement that meets the


They are basically exposed to military strikes on a daily basis, tens of thousands of the opposition, of members of Syrians who lived in the

opposition areas have been killed. If you are in the government's cities, of course, you are hopeful because you trust your ally, Russia. Russia is

a very strong supporter of the Assad regime. It has gained the upper hand.

No one is talking about the future of Assad. The Russians fully support the Syrian government and that's why you have the clashing perspectives on

both sides.

But the big point, beyond the clashing points, I think I would say that the odds against this particular proposal really being translated in to reality

on the battlefield. I think this is -- if I can summarize this one for your viewers, Becky, this is the best options of all

bad options. There are no good options in Syria. And the Americans and the Russians are really pushing very hard for the guns to

fall silent. My take on it is that in the next few days, the guns might fall silent because the Americans and the Russians are going to exert

tremendous pressure on their respective allies.

The challenge is, the big question is, will the guns remain silent in the next few weeks and next few months? We have been there before, as you

know, and we've talked about it before, you and I, Becky.

ANDERSON: Yeah, absolutely, we have.

I guess I want to sort of play Devil's advocate at this point, then. What if it goes to plan? Neither Russia nor Syria violates the terms of the

agreement. Russia and the U.S. agree to go after ISIS and the other al Qaeda affiliated groups that they determined to be their aggressors.

What if it all goes right, because this agreement is going after specific groups. It isn't an agreement about ending a conflict, which began with a

regime and it opponents, those Syrians who were fed up with what was going on.

GERGES: Well, I mean, it lacks a political horizon. The agreement between John Kerry and Lavrov is all about a cease fire, which is great. The idea

is you want to end the killing. You want to provide humanitarian goods and services to the besieged areas. You want to reduce suffering. I mean,

this is the greatest humanitarian crisis since the end of World War II.

But the reality is where do you go from there? Point one, the reason why, because obviously the balance of power favors the Russian-based government

in Damascus, the same government, regardless of what you think, you and I, Becky, the reality is the balance of power favors Assad at this particular


Secondly, the Obama administration does not clearly want to invest any strategic capital in Syria for a variety of reasons. And thirdly, the

third question is, of course, the Americans and the Russians would basically have a military partnership to target ISIS and al Qaeda, al-Nusra

Front -- used to be called al-Nusra Front.

But how do you separate the various armed groups? How do you cut the umbilical cord between al-Nusra Front and the various armed groups, because

al-Nusra Front now is Jabaat al-Sham (ph) is the most effective fighting force against Assad. And many rebels surely do not want to cut the

umbilical cord with what used to be called al-Nusra Front.

As we have been remembering those who lost their lives on September 11, 2001, today on this being the 15th anniversary. Where are we now? what's


GERGES: Well, I think al-Qaeda, that carried out the attacks against the American homeland is almost basically the structure, the leadership,

basically is dismantled even though you have al-Qaeda affiliates that are expanding worldwide -- al Qaeda and the Arabian

peninsula, you have al-Nusra Front in Syria, you have of course the various al-Qaeda in Pakistan, in Afghanistan, in North Africa.

What you have now is a greater danger that is ISIS.

The reality is, I mean, at the end of the day what we need to keep in mind, Becky, terrorism is not going to go away. The reality is how do we cope,

how do we develop resilience and strength, because terrorism is a force multiplier. It's a psychological force. And I hope that the American

homeland, and the British where we are, even though Europe now seems to be having its own 9/11. If you walk European streets in Paris or Belgium or

even in London and Germany, there's a great deal of fear.

The reality is we live in an age of insecurity. And we delude ourselves if we think that somehow we can have absolute security.

I think the United States must have overcome, or I hope it has overcome the traumas of 9/11 because the United States is responding differently now to

various lone wolf attacks than it did on 9/11.

[11:31:17] ANDERSON: Fawaz, it's always a pleasure having you on. Thank you.

The latest world news headlines are just ahead. Plus, Hillary Clinton says Donald Trump is making exactly the wrong moves when it comes to fighting

ISIS. We will share our exclusive interview with her after this.


ANDERSON: You are watching Connect the World. I'm Becky Anderson. It is 33 minutes past 7:00 in the UAE. The U.S. marking the 15th anniversary of

the terror attacks on 9/11 at ground zero. Mourners gathered for a moment of silence. And Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump paused their campaigns to

join the commemorations.

Clinton's campaign says after about 90 minutes she felt overheated and left.

Well, her campaign has been playing defense, backtracking on a controversial comment. The Democrat regularly slams her opponent, we know

that, but on Friday at a fundraising event, she also slammed his supporters. Have a listen.


HILLARY CLINTON, DEMOCRATIC REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables,

right -- the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, you name it.


[11:35:07] ANDERSON: Well, Trump fired back saying Clinton insulted hard- working voters. And Clinton later put out a statement saying she regrets

overgeneralizing Trump's supporters.

Well, she doesn't appear to be dwelling long over regrets, however. In an exclusive CNN interview earlier, she had a hopeful message saying she

thinks U.S. can defeat ISIS and she tells my colleague says Donald Trump is taking exactly the wrong tack when it comes to fighting terror.

This is part of their conversation.


CLINTON: I think it is time for a candid, honest conversation about what we face, because it's not just ISIS.

I actually think that intensifying our efforts against ISIS could lead to their defeat. By that, I mean depriving them of territory, including their

headquarters city, Raqqa in Syria, taking back the cities they seized in Iraq.

But that's not the end of the struggle. The struggle is against a violent ideology, a form of violent jihadism that is very much propagated over the

Internet, which is attractive, unfortunately, to young men and some young women across the world who are looking for some meaning in their lives and

find it in this call to violence and evil.

But there's something about this struggle that really demands more than governments. And that is, we have to protect our country by working with

one another. And that most certainly includes the American Muslim community.

What, unfortunately, Donald Trump has done is made our job harder and given a lot of aid and comfort to ISIS operatives, even ISIS officials, who want

to create this as some kind of clash of civilization, a religious war. It's not. And we can't let it become that.

CUOMO: But it sounds like strength when he says it. And people, when they're afraid, like and need the idea of a strong leader. What do you say

to the supporters of him who resonate with that message?

CLINTON: Well, there's phony strength and there's real strength.

And it's phony strength to not know what you're talking about and to make outrageous statements that will actually make our job harder, no matter

how, in the moment, it sounds. Real strength is leveling with the American people and making it clear, we will defeat ISIS -- I do believe that -- but

that we have got to make sure that, here at home, we're not opening doors to people who feel that somehow they want to be part of this global

movement, because Donald Trump has said it's a war between us and them.

And that's pretty attractive to people. And we're finding more and more, as we look at the profiles of some of the folks who get radicalized and

recruited, that there is an element of mental illness in some. There is an element of just total alienation.

We don't have the depth of problems that you see in Europe because we have done a much better job of assimilating people from everywhere. We are a

nation of immigrants. And we should be proud of that. It's a great asset.

So, we can't let Trump or anybody of his ilk undermine one of our greatest strengths. So, real strength will come here at home in making sure we work

with law enforcement and with schools and with community organizations to help people identify anyone who is being recruited, to try to intervene

early, to have the best intelligence, an intelligence surge that will better prepare us to protect ourselves.

That's the hard work that is required. That's the work that the people I was meeting with today from Republican and Democratic administrations know

we have to do.

it's not the loose talk and the bombastic commentary that's going to defeat this enemy. It's the millions of decisions by strong, patriotic Americans

and our allies around the world.


ANDERSON: Well, that was Hillary Clinton speaking to my colleague Chris Cuomo.

Well, Donald Trump of course has loudly blamed Clinton for the growth of ISIS. The Republican says the policies his rival supported after 9/11

spurred terrorists.

Well, let's take a closer look at this with our political analyst Josh Rogin. He's also a columnist at the Washington Post. And joining us now

from Washington.

And before we consider the candidates and their most recent rhetoric, Josh, news that Hillary Clinton left this memorial at Ground Zero early today

feeling somewhat under the weather. Have we got any further details on how she is.

[11:40:12] JOSH ROGIN, THE WASHINGTON POST: Yes, the Clinton campaign through a spokesman named Nick Marrow (ph) released a statement recently,

just now, saying following 90 minutes at the 9/11 memorial ceremony in downtown Washington that Hillary Clinton felt overheated and decided to

leave and went back to her daughter's apartment in the flat Iron District of lower Manhattan. This is meant push back on some reports on social

media that she had been taken to the hospital, which seems to be not true. That's the amount of information we have at this time. And that's what happened this morning as far as the

Clinton campaign is saying.

ANDERSON: Well, if she wanted to put to bed the conspiracy theories that the Trump campaign has been pushing that she isn't fit for this job because

her health is not fit, this isn't going to help, is it?

ROGIN: It's certainly not going to help, it's going to actually extend the life of those conspiracy

theories significantly. That doesn't make those conspiracy theories anymore true than they were yesterday.

ANDERSON: She spoke in depth to Chris Cuomo earlier on today. We just played a short excerpt of what she said. She sounds statesman like when

she's conducting an interview. She sounds like she has the experience to be a commander-in-chief and she certainly suggests that Donald Tis nowhere


But his rhetoric is needling her, isn't it? And we see the result in the polls. They are neck and neck every time we see a new poll, it seems.

ROGIN: Yeah, that's exactly right. I think what we have seen here is a real frustration in the Clinton campaign that their message about national

security is not doing better with voters than it is.

Now, let's remember, Clinton he is leading Trump when it comes to foreign policy. She's trailing Trump when it comes to how voters believe each

candidate would deal with terrorism. Those two numbers seem to be a contradiction to each other. But behind that is a Clinton campaign that's

putting out a lot of details about how they would fight ISIS, how they would fight terrorism, what they would do in Iraq and Syria. Those details

are controversial and they could be debated.

But it's hard to compare them against a Trump campaign, which puts out no details. And of course Trump has no experience. And when he's asked what

he's going to do against ISIS he says it's a secret and he can't tell anybody, because it wants it to be a surprise to the terrorists.

So, this is a problem for the Clinton campaign because you can't debate nothing and you can't

defend your plan against a person who won't tell you what their plan is. And the game is for Trump to just keep it close, right. If he can stay

near Hillary Clinton on foreign policy and national security that's a victory considering her experience and his lack thereof.

ANDERSON: Josh, pleasure. Thank you.

Live from Abu Dhabi, you are watching Connect the World. I'm Becky Anderson. Coming up, we'll get a personal insight into time spent at the

Hajj pilgrimmage in Saudi Arabia, which is now the object of a political row. That's next.

And later in the show, the Premier League match we had been waiting for. Pep Guardiola and Jose Mourinho locked footballing horns for the first time

in England. Manchester and the world were watching. We will bring you the highlights of that and more after this.


[11:45:44] ANDERSON: Right. You're watching CNN. This is Connect the World with me Becky Anderson. Welcome back. A quarter to 8:00 here in Abu


Millions of Muslims have gathered in the Saudi city of Mecca to perform the annual Hajj pilgrimage. There is one difference this year, among the

millions who gathered in Mecca, there are no Iranian pilgrims, all because of a row between Riyadh and Tehran over last

year's stampede.

You'll remember that Iran says 400 of its citizens died. The total number of people who were killed is under dispute. Saudi Arabia's official death

toll is 769 in all. But some nations say that is higher, possibly nearly as high as 2,500.

Well, for the pilgrims who are there, this Sunday is the most important day of the event when people gather to on Mount Arafat to pray. Muslims

believe the prophet Muhammad delivered his last sermon to believers on this site.

Well, I'm now joined by CNN senior news editor here in Abu Dhabi, Schams Elwazer. She has witnessed the Hajj three times while covering it for CNN.

And what struck you most, Shams, during those assignments?

SCHAMS ELWAZER, CNN SENIOR NEWS EDITOR: Well, you mentioned the 2 million pilgrims, so really it's not just the scale of it but also once you're

there on the ground it's the sense of diversity. There isn't a language that isn't being spoken. There's

literally people from almost every country in the world, every ethnicity. And also what strikes you and having been to Saudi Arabia you'll

relate to this, is usually men and women are quite segregated in public spaces.

But at the Hajj, the men and women are performing their rituals together. They are praying together. And because everyone is wearing the same white

robe, which is intentionally meant to symbolize equality, you can't tell rich from poor.

And some of the people you meet have actually saved their entire lives to be there at the hajj at that moment. And so as journalists covering the

Middle East, and this is something you definitely will be able to relate to, is we often meet people on some of the worst days of their lives. But

this was a story where almost everyone you met you were meeting on the happiest day of their life and the tears were tears of joy, especially

today those pictures of yours were just seeing from Mount Arafat. that is the spiritual climax.

And you do see people really crying for joy. And that, for us was unusual and something you can't help but be affected by.

ANDERSON: How do the Saudis sort the logistics on this? Because this has grown and grown, hasn't it, over the years. I mean this is. The sort of

pilgrimage there is very much part of tourism for Saudi now.

We are talking about 2 million people in a tiny, tiny space at the same time over a five-day period.

ELWAZER: Absolutely. It has been an extreme challenge for them. It is something that they have been hosting for 1,400 years. And over the last

few years, over the last decade, they have definitely been investing more in infrastructure, whether it is creating wider bridges, bigger bridges to

be able to access the point, having discussions with religious scholars about actually widening the space that is considered the holy territory

where the rites can be performed.

Security personnel are ever present. Tens of thousands of medical people that have been trained, up to 1,000 security cameras covering almost

literally every spot . At the hajj and as sort of as electronic devices become more prevalent, this year, for example, they have introduced the e-

bracelet for the pilgrims so any pilgrim can immediately be scanned and they know who they are, where they are from, where they should be staying

and what kind of medical conditions they can have.

So, every year they seem to be learning from the previous year. But that many people in that

small of a space is bound to be a challenge.

ANDERSON: We know that there were enormous problems last year. And sadly so many people lost their lives. I know that wasn't the first time,

though, was it?

ELWAZER: Yeah, one of the years that I was there had been the deadliest in a long time. And again, it all comes down to crowd control, trying to make

sure that the flow of pilgrims goes in one direction and not the other, and that's what the Saudis have been trying to


ANDERSON: Schams, thank you.

You can read more of Schams reflections and our experiences at the hajj on our website, to read her article on behind the scenes a the hajj.

And of course you can watch all of our reports and interviews there, too, that is For those of you who were are regulars viewers I know

that you'll know where that is.

Right, live from Abu Dhabi, this is Connect the World. Coming up, the most expensive match ever played. They've spent nearly $900 million, $900

million assembling their squads. But there was one victor in the Manchester derby. That after this.


[11:52:15] ANDERSON: You're watching CNN. And this is Connect the World with me Becky Anderson out of the UAE for you at 62 minutes past the hour.

Manchester is blue after one of the great rivalries in modern sport, Pep Guardiola's Man City beat Jose Mourinho's Manchester United 2-1 in

Saturday's game on United's home turf, let me tell you.\ It's the latest twist in the rivals battle for footballing supremacy.

The starting lineups are peppered with world-class talent, and the investment from both sides, well, is astronomical.

Now, it is changing the very fabric of the north English city.

John Defterios, CNN Money's emerging markets editor joins me now.

John, you were in Manchester when Pep was introduced to Man City fans in the summer. With 12 points out of the last four games he seems to be

delivering on his promise for this Abu Dhabi owners, isn't he?

JOHN DEFTERIOS, CNN MONEY: I was going to say, I'm not sure if it is by accident we are both wearing blue today, but that wasn't the plan.

They're very happy here in Abu Dhabi about the victory. It's clear, we can say, that he has taken them into a new category of play. And this is not a

club that's been struggling as they won two league titles in the last four years having invested about a billion dollars into the process.

With the wind of the derby here, he does a number of different things -- they remained undefeated, of course, they have bragging rights, at least

until the next derby that's going to take place at Man City Etihad Stadium. But at the same time, he quiets Jose Mourinho who called Man City the noisy

neighbors. And as you suggested I was on the ground at the citizen's weekend, July 3, when they introduced Pep Guardiola to the fans there.

We have the video from that event.

It was very interesting, because they also unveiled a new badge, so the message was, Becky, a sign of renewal from Man City under Pep Guardiola.

And the fact the chairman of the club, Khaldoon Al Mubarak, was suggesting in football terms -- and he didn't mince his words at all here, success

can be only judged by winning. Our objective is to win and that means win titles.

I talked to his senior vice president of marketing about the business behind Guardiola. This is what he had to say.


OMAR BERRADA, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT, CITY FOOTBALL MARKETING: It's a culture and philosophy of success and a style of play that will be

developed across everything that we are doing here and I'm sure it will have long lasting effects.


DEFTERIOS: You know, it is very interesting what Berrada had to say here. He will certainly have an impact, Becky, not only on TV rights, but

merchandise. But they have been building the fan base. Back in 2008, they only had an average fan base of 30,000. They are

at capacity at 55,000 and they are going to extend that now with Pep Guardiola to 60,000.

I went and looked back at the purchase price of Man City. Back in 2008, $360 million. Now with the $400 million investment that came in December

of last year by China Media Capital, it now gives a valuation for Man City alone about $2 billion. But you have to look at the City Football

franchise, which includes Melbourne City, New York City Football and Man City, we are looking at $3 billion.

So, $1.5 billion invested. They think they can get a valuation now holding at $3 billion if Pep continues to win.

[11:55:25] ANDERSON: Well, if Pep continues to win -- ask the -- any United fan and they will be absolutely mortified about the game. I have to

say, the first 40 minutes. I mean, it was like a training session that Man City were giving against Man United. Man United,

of course, did come back -- but it was 2-1 in the end.

What's the wider strategy here, John? How does football dovetail with development of Manchester as a city, not Manchester City the football club,

but Manchester as a city itself?

DEFTERIOS: Yeah, it's a phenomenal point. As you know, for One Square Meter,we're going to run this story over the next month or so, but I went

back in July to take a look at exactly that.

It's a multifaceted approach, but it's very hard to find. And Becky I've gone from Asia to the United States in the last year looking at

transformations to see one at this scale. For example, in that area of east Manchester, as you well know was basically derelict before the

purchase here by the Abu Dhabi United Football Group now belonging to City Football Group. We are

looking at 6,000 homes being built, $1.3 billion of investment, but the first layer of it was a

$300 million investment into a football academy, into a world-class sports medicine facility and to a training facility.

The idea is to create a farm club going forward. The first basically major product was the stadium, the second layer was that $300 million investment,

and it's layer by layer.

Now, here's the CIO, the chief infrastructure officer for City Football Group, the man who is in charge of seeing this out over the next 12 years.

Let's take a look.


JON STEMP, CHIEF INFRASTRUCTURE OFFICER, CITY FOOTBALL GROUP: We have likened it to an iceberg. And people can see the bit at the top, but they

don't know what's coming. And we're OK with that. We -- it's not about -- it's not about trying to impress people in the here and now, it's about

doing the right thing for the club and for the community over a longer period of time.


ANDRESON: Man City project is like an iceberg.

DEFTERIOS: It's interesting analogy, becuase he said we're starting to peak above the surface right now but there's a lot more to come.

Jon Stemp was saying it will take another 12 years.

I talked about the $1.3 billion going in to the housing, but there's another strategy here, and that is to create a global platform. I talked

about Melbourne City, New York City Football, and of course Man City. They have an investment in Yokohama as well.

It is also offered a global sponsorship platform for football and a farm system, as well, to kind of train the next generation of players over the

next 10 to 15 years.

ANDERSON: And we thought it was just a beautiful game. Wrong.

DEFTERIOS: A lot of money at stake, a lot of money at stake.

ANDERSON: John, thank you.

Our Parting Shots today, just in time for these, as we have been talking about the iconic images this day 15 years ago. We look back at another

monument in history: a happier, and more hopeful day. On V-J Day 1945, a sailor and a woman in a nurse's outfit were photographed kissing in New

York city's Times Square. They were celebrating the end of World War II.

The woman in the picture, Greta Friedman, died Saturday at the age of 92. She said it wasn't even a romantic kiss so much as sheer joy that the war

was over, quoted some years ago.

Her son says Greta passed away in an assisted living home in Virginia, but her youthful image

symbolizing happiness and hope lives on.

Well, before we leave, a quick update on a story that we have been following for you this hour. Hllary Clinton's campaign says she is feeling

better and back on track after ducking out earlier to rest in her daughter's apartment. Clinton was at a memorial service at Ground Zero in

New York to one of the anniversary of 9/11. She left after more than an hour. Her campaign says she felt overheated and is now feeling much


I'm Becky Anderson. That was Connect the World. From the team here, thank you for watching.