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Fareed's Take; Silicon Smarts?; Understanding IBM's Watson; Dr. Watson, I Presume?; Hi-Tech Healthcare; NY Authorities Hold News Conference On Explosion; NY GOV: Significant Property Damage on Both Sides Of Blast; NY GOV: So Far No Evidence Of International Terrorism; NY GOV: As A Precaution, NYC Beefing Up Security; NY GOV: 'These Type of People' Will Not Disrupt Our Lives; Aired 10-11a ET
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FAREED ZAKARIA, GPS HOST: This is "GPS, the Global Public Square". Welcome to all of you in the United States and around the world. I'm Fareed Zakaria. Today on "GPS", we will bring you a glimpse of the future and the artificial intelligence that is becoming more and more powerful by the day. I will talk to Ginni Rometty, the head of IBM, the company behind Watson. Will Watson take our jobs? Or help us to do those jobs better?
Also, to ban or not to ban the burkini. I will tell you why France who's motto begin with 'Liberte' shouldn't even be asking this question.
And what to do about North Korea? That's the question in the world's cargoes of power after another nuclear test. But is there any good answer? We will discuss.
Finally, a ticket to ride with the richest man in the world. Bill Gates wants to take you to South Africa with him.
BILL GATES, AMERICAN BUSINESS MAGNATE: When you've come South Africa, you almost can't help but get filled with hope.
ZAKARIA: Come along. But first, here's my take. Whether you put them in a basket or not, the question of this election is, who are Donald Trump's supporters? One way to answer is to widen the scope beyond the United States.
Trump is part of a broad populous trend running across the western world. Over the last few decades, we've seen the rise of populism both left wing and right wing from Sweden to Greece, Denmark to Hungary. In each place, the discussion tends to focus on forces that are particularly each country and its political landscape. But it's happening in so many countries with so many different political systems, cultures and histories that there must be some common causes.
In an important research paper for Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, Ronald Inglehart and Pippa Norris calculate that European populist parties of the right and left have gone from 6.7 percent and 2.4 percent of the vote in the 1960s respectively to 13.4 percent and 12.7 percent in the 2010s. The most striking finding of the paper, which points to a fundamental
cause for this rise of populism, is the decline of economics as the pivot of politics. The way we think about politics today is still shaped by the basic 20th century left/right divide.
Left wing parties advocated for increased government spending, a larger welfare state and regulations on business. Right-wing parties wanted limited government, fewer safety nets and more laissez-faire policies. Voting patterns reinforce this ideological divide with the working class voting for the left and middle and upper classes for the right.
Inglehart and Norris note that the old voting patterns have been declining for decades. By the 1980s, they write, class voting had fallen to the lowest levels every recorded in Britain, France, Sweden and West Germany. In the United States, it had fallen so low by the 1990s that there was virtually no room for further decline.
Today an American's economic status is a far worse predictor of his or her voting preferences than her views on same-sex marriage. The authors also analyzed party platforms in recent decades and they found that since the 1980s, economic issues have become much less important. Non-economic issues, social environmental have greatly increased in importance.
As economics declined as the central force defining politics, its place was taken by a grab bag of issues that could be described as culture. It began as Inglehart and Norris note but young people in the 1960s embracing a post-materialist politics, self-expression, gender, race, environmentalism.
That trend then generated a backlash from older voters, particularly men, who sought to reaffirm the values that they grew up with. The key to Donald Trump's success in the Republican Primaries was to realize that while the conservative establishment preached the economic gospel of free trade, low taxes, deregulation and entitlement reform, conservative voters were moved by very different, non-economic appeals about immigration, security and identity.
This is the new landscape of politics. And it explains why partisanship is so high, rhetoric so shrill and compromise seemingly impossible. You see, you could split the difference on economics. After all, money can always be divided. But how do you compromise on the core issue of identity or national culture?
You see, each side today holds deeply to a vision of America and believes genuinely that what its opponents want is not just misguided, but, well, deplorable.
For more, go to cnn.com/fareed and read my "Washington Post" column this week and let's get started.
In a moment, I'm going to introduce you to a multi-talented brilliance. What if I told you, there is a person who has read just about every medical textbook and journal out there and uses that knowledge to diagnose medical mysteries. But also has collaborated as a fashion designer on a dress that was worn by a supermodel at the Met Gala has helped produce the movie trailer for major feature film.
By the way, he's also a published cookbook author, has a budding career as a weather forecaster and did I mention, won a huge tournament on "Jeopardy" even beating Ken Jennings. That last part might have been the giveaway. I am not actually talking about a person but a machine.
Meet Watson. IBM's tech platform that uses artificial intelligence and machine learning in extraordinary ways. That list of Watson's accomplishments actually scares many who worry that computers are now powerful enough to do almost any human job.
I went down to IBM's Watson center in Downtown Manhattan to talk about it all with IBM's chairman, president and CEO, Ginni Rometty, who is also a multi-talented brilliance.
IBM is, of course, one of the world's largest companies with a market cap over $140 billion. Welcome, Ginni Rometty.
GINNI ROMETTY, IBM CHAIR, PRESIDENT AND CEO: Thank you, Fareed. Nice to be here with you again.
ZAKARIA: Explain to us the road to Watson. How did we get here? What is happening in technology that led to this?
ROMETTY: This is a great question it and speaks a lot to what I I think, everyone is experiencing around the world either personally or in a business. You know, there have been three big technology trends, I think shaping our lives. One, cloud. Mobility. And then all this explosion of data around us.
You have this explosion of information. It is impossible to understand it. And this was the road to Watson. We saw this long ago that there would be all this data. But for to really bring any value to business or to the world, to solve these unsolvable problems, you are going to need a whole new way of computing of systems that could take that, make some sense out of it.
You know, if you just think about go back 20 years and retail. If you are online buying something, you're a typical retailer, not typical, a big one, you might had a half a million things you could look at. Today, 20, 25 million.
So as you as a buyer, how could you even discern what is the right thing to do? And that's just one small example. So this is what has led us to Watson, the idea that this explosion of information and that once you become digital, you're going to need some way data is going to differentiate companies then. And how do you make sense of it, that led us to this world which was Watson, which is, basically, think of it as the ability for systems to learn.
ZAKARIA: How is Watson different from your average computer?
ROMETTY: You know, this is -- it's very different. And I want you to not think of it as a computer. Think of Watson in this new world of cognitive. Think of it as, it's in the cloud. So therefore, it's applicable to everyone. I think of it as being embedded in everything you could do. So it will impact your daily life, it will impact your business.
And so, when you think of it that way as a -- think of it as a service that could be embedded, it will touch billions of things, billions of people and billions of things that they do, basically, to help you make a better decision whether that's personally or whether that's professionally.
ZAKARIA: So let's take medical because Watson does a lot of medical work. Explain to us why Watson is a better doctor than most doctors.
ROMETTY: Actually, I wouldn't say it that way. What I really envision, and this is an important point about cognitive, its goal is not to replace anyone. In fact, it's really been our goal. It's been about not artificial intelligence, it's about augmenting intelligence and helping people make better decisions. And that's, in fact, what we're doing.
And so, you know, I mentioned we do work and I see this era doing work for both, which you would call everyday decisions as well as what I would call solving the unsolvable and you mentioned health care.
ZAKARIA: But let's take a diagnosis.
ROMETTY: Yes. So here's how it would go with a diagnosis. So, cancer, with cancer oncology adviser is rolling out in develop and Watson has been taught by some of the best institutions in the world. And we're also catering the cancer center here in New York but as well work we've done with Cleveland Clinic, Mayo Clinic, MD Anderson, clinics abroad, systems abroad.
So, what the doctor would do to assist? Watson will have been able and has read all the literature on cancer, all the journals, all the text, your EMR, your medical record, which could be hundreds of pages long, your test.
And what it's going to do when I said it could understand and reason, just like you and I, forms hypothesis, checks against all the data, knows what percent confidence and then shows the doctor, these are the different kinds of ideas surround with the diagnosis is and the appropriate treatment.
ZAKARIA: But the key difference is, correct me if I'm wrong, because you showed this to me once, a doctor can hold maybe a couple hundred articles in his or her head.
ROMETTY: That's right.
ZAKARIA: And Watson is looking at 2 million articles.
ROMETTY: We're well over millions and millions now.
ZAKARIA: But let's be honest, presumably with access to millions of articles and that much data, Watson must make better diagnoses than an average doctor. ROMETTY: It's going to help an average doctor, absolutely. And that
is really the point because you will not necessarily be able to see a world class oncologist. But your oncologist or your general doctor is going to have that access to help them do their job.
And then they actually can do what we want our doctors to do. They spend time with you and understanding you. I mean an average doctor visit as you know can be a very small period of time.And so, that's why I say this is really a world where it's going to augment what professionals do and what each of us do.
ZAKARIA: Now, in the movie business, the art of making the trailer is seen as a very soft skill. It's something you have to do, appreciating what an audience will like, how it will evoke certain emotions? So a successful movie trailer has often been seen as a very fine art skill that an editor puts together and yet, Watson was able to do this thing that the human does and it would take months, apparently, to cut a movie trailer and Watson sort of did it in a day. Explain how.
ROMETTY: Well actually Watson helped the film editor do this in a day, something it would've taken him weeks to do. And this has been an element in one path we've worked on which is creativity.
And so, in fact, what Watson doing is watching different movies and watching then how people respond and what is it they're responding to. And then looking for in this movie, what are the elements that would duplicate that and then giving that input to the person putting together the trailer to have them then put together the most popular trailer that's going to get an elicit to write audience behavior from that.
So it's very much that idea of these systems can learn and they're learning by observation, reaction, knowing how people's brains work, how their emotions react and puts all that together.
ZAKARIA: So what it suggest is that all these things we think of as creativity --
ROMETTY: He assist it.
ZAKARIA: -- but broken down, digitized and coded so that a computer can understand it?
ROMETTY: In many ways, they can be. And that I know people think of things like smell and taste but, actually, or even the way you react when maybe you smell something that you remember from your childhood, it brings back. These are all chemical, can be broken down into chemical equations. And in fact, by doing that then, you can come up with better recommendations. And we're doing work with Campbell Soup about, you know, how to prepare the right recipe and remind you of when you were young, that kind of thing. And they can be broken into equations and digitized.
ZAKARIA: Next on "GPS", when Bill Gates, Elom Musk and Stephen Hawking all agree on something, I certainly listen. And the three of them concur that while there are many huge upsides to artificial intelligence, there could be a huge downside, too.
Could artificial intelligence wipe us all out? I will ask Watson's owner, IBM Chief, Ginni Rometty when we come back.
Also, does she think women in high places face special challenges?
VICTOR BLACKWELL, NEWS ANCHOR: Good morning, I'm Victor Blackwell and we continue to follow the breaking news out of New York this morning. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo is about to update us on that explosion that rock the Chelsea Neighborhood last night. Let's listen in.
ANDREW CUOMO, NEW YORK GOVERNOR: -- begin by thanking Frank Dusaki and Ronnie Hakim and the whole team of the MTA as well as all the first responders who have done an extraordinary job since this explosion happened yesterday evening.
As everybody knows, there was an explosion on West 23rd Street. There is significant property damaged on both sides of the explosion, 29 people were injured that there were no fatalities, is something to give thanks for today. Because when you see the amount of damage, we really were very lucky that there were no fatalities at the time.
we just inspected the subway station, the PATH station in the immediate area to see if there was any damage done from the explosion to the subway station, the tunnels, et cetera and we're happy to report that there was no damage. So the MTA is ready to be up and running as early as tomorrow to return to full service for those stations.
There may be certain entrances and exits that are closed depending on where the investigation is at that time. But we will keep you up-to- date on that.
There is -- I've been briefed by all the relevant agencies. At this time, there is no evidence of an international terrorism connection with this incident but it is very, very early in the investigation and it's just starting. The FBI has brought the evidence that they've collected from the site of the explosion as well as the bomb that did not detonate and they brought that to Quantico and they will be studying that.
There was also an incident in Seaside Park, New Jersey. They're also taking that material to Quantico to review that material, also. I spoke with Governor Christie this morning and we're coordinating resources between New York and New Jersey to see if there's anything we can learn.
The main coordinate of mechanism is something called the JTTF, the Joint Terrorism Task Force, and that is up and operational. But the bombs that were in Seaside, New Jersey appeared to be different than the ones that were in Manhattan.
As I mentioned, the response by the first responders was extraordinary. You know, you drill all the time and you run exercises all the time, but it's still different when it happens. I've spoke to Mayor de Blasio, the NYPD did a great job, the FBI has done a great job, Homeland Security, New York State Police, fire department, everyone really worked together and it's coordinating on the investigation.
We have no reason to believe at this time that there is any further immediate threat, but just to err on the side of caution, we will be deploying close to an additional 1,000 New York State Police and National Guard people to police the bus terminals, airports and subway stations.
Again, just to err on the side of caution, and I want New Yorkers to be confident when they go back to work on Monday that New York is up and running and we're doing everything we need to do. And I feel comfortable that this additional deployment will help do that and is prudent on this occasion.
The bottom line on this is, number one, whoever placed these bombs, we will find and they will be brought to justice, period. You have the finest police agencies in the world when you come to New York. And we will find who planted these explosives and they will be punished.
Number two, we will not allow these type of people and these type of threats to disrupt or life in New York. That's what they want do. We're not going to let them do it. This is freedom. This is democracy. And we're not going to allow them to take that from us. So feel safe. Everything that needs to be done is being done and more. And we're going to enjoy New York. And we're going to go back to work tomorrow just like we do on any Monday morning.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible) clarify what devices were taken to Quantico (inaudible)?
CUOMO: The evidence that is now being gathered is going to Quantico. I believe the Seaside Park bombs are en route to Quantico. The unexploded device from New York may not yet have made it to Quantico. I'm not sure.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible) and we know that there is (inaudible)?
CUOMO: They were both similar in design. But let's let the FBI do their investigation. Again, this is very early..They're just getting the devices. They're just starting the investigation. So once we get the investigation, we will have all the facts and then we can speak intelligently.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Governor, Mayor De Blasio said last night that there was no evidence that this was connected to terror, what do you hearing?
CUOMO: I believe the mayor was saying there was no connection with international terrorism and that is credit. No one has taken credit. There have been no international groups that have put out any statements that are connecting them with this action. Now, it depends on your definition of terrorism, a bomb exploding in
New York is obviously an act of terrorism, but it's not linked to international terrorism. In other words, we find no ISIS connection, et cetera.
But a bomb going off is generically a terrorist activity. That's how we're going to consider it. And that's how we will prosecute it also. But the mayor is correct, there was no link at this time, at this preliminary stage, to international terrorism.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So Governor, so this could still be lone wolf act (inaudible)?
CUMO: Could be. Could be. Could be because we just don't know. We know there has been no international terrorism organization that has taken credit but we don't know.
I've bee in the federal government, I've been through a number of these incidents, you know, you can guess, you can hypothesize or you can just wait for the facts and go from there. So we know what we know at this point and I'd be dubious about speculating on what we don't know.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible)?
CUOMO: Well, look, as governor of New York, this is my worst nightmare, right? My worst nightmare is the phone rings late at night and there is some terrorist attack, emergency, flood, hurricane, act of mother nature that puts lives in peril. So this is the nightmare scenario or one of the nightmare scenarios. And your mind immediately goes to was anyone hurt, was anyone killed?
And luckily, depending on how you look at it, 29 injuries, but no fatalities. And when you see the damage, I think we were fortunate that there were no fatalities. And when you see the site itself, it just confirms that.
This was a significant amount of damage. The property damage on both sides. With the force of the explosion, you can see it down the block, it was across the street, there's glass everywhere, shrapnel everywhere. So that we didn't lose anyone, we were fortunate.
And then the second response is, we're not going to let them win. We're not going to let them win. What do they want? They want to instill terror. That's what they want. They want to make you afraid. They want to make you worry about going into New York City or New York State. They want to make you worry about going across a bridge or a subway.
We're not going to let them instill fear because then they would win. So we have the best response team on the globe. It's here, it's working. The best protection team on the globe. On the side of caution, we will be adding close to an additional 1,000 National Guard and state police just to make sure people know that we're on the scene and we're on the job.
And we're going -- life will go on in New York just the way it did the moment before the bomb exploded. We're not going to let them win.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Governor, (inaudible) similar in nature here and (inaudible)?
CUOMO: Not that I know of.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you saying that the one here was (inaudible)?
CUOMO: That is my advice. That is my knowledge and what I've been informed but obviously that bomb detonated, so there's only pieces of it. And I would wait for the FBI do to a full analysis before I come to any conclusion.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In New Jersey, are you saying it's not?
CUOMO: My information, again, at this preliminary stage is the devices were different. They were basically pipe bombs that were used in New Jersey, different bombs were used here. But the FBI will do the analysis. I spoke to Governor Christie this morning and we will have our teams working together to see if there's anything that they can learn one from the other.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right guys.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you help with the search to find the suspect or suspects?
CUOMO: Say that again, I'm sorry.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you talk about the search to find the suspect or suspects (inaudible) using surveillance video or anything like that to find the place of either one these bombs? And then second of all, can you just be a little bit more specific on tomorrow morning, should New Yorkers expect to be able to use the 23rd street entrances by rush hour or less?
CUOMO: They are reviewing all the video tape from the area now to see if they can identify a person. Obviously, all agencies are coordinated in this investigation. And in this manhunt as I said, we will find whoever did this or whatever group did this and they will be brought to justice, period.
And we're going to dedicate all necessary resources to do that and you're dealing with the best police agencies on the globe in doing that. In as far as opening the 23rd Street station tomorrow morning, as we mentioned before, it is structurally safe, it is structurally fine. Some of the entrances are in the crime scene right now, so we will have to see how the investigation proceeds throughout the day and if the FBI reduces the crime scene and releases those entrances.
But we will make that information on the transit authority Web Site exactly what entrances and exits will be opened as we get information through the day. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So you will expect (inaudible)?
[10:30:02] CUOMO: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: What is going on with them, how are they, what were the injuries?
CUOMO: The -- I have only the information that you have. Most were treated and released. But there may be several who have not yet been released. Several were serious injuries, but no fatalities. But I have no new information on that.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Was it from flying metal? What was it?
CUOMO: From people who are in that area when the bomb exploded and got hit with glass or debris, et cetera. OK?
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Governor, have you heard any connection made to the Seaside Park IED that --
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Also the NYPD is holding a press conference with the mayor about two hours. Why aren't you with them?
CUOMO: Well, we wanted to give you an update on what the state was doing and the MTA and the subway stations, et cetera. I spoke to the mayor this morning and he'll give you an update on what the city is doing and that's the way we normally handle these situations.
Just so you don't think I'm very responsive to your question. All 29 victims are confirmed released from the hospital. So that is really good news. Thank you very much. Thank you.
VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: All right. You heard there from New York Governor Andrew Cuomo ending this news conference with the best news, 29 victims, all 29 injured after this bomb detonated yesterday, about now 14 hours ago, all 29 have been released from the hospital. But a lot of developments in this news conference.
Let's bring in CNN law enforcement analyst Tom Fuentes.
Tom, the headline here, no connection to international terrorism, but as you and I discussed this morning, the classification that you expected has now been put upon this event there, an act of terror. And a bomb exploding in New York, according to the governor, is an act of terror.
TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Correct, Victor. You know, it's what we were saying, that the event is certainly a terrorist act. And because it's terrorism, the FBI takes the lead in this. Now they're taking a very low profile. They don't want to get into a contest and embarrass the mayor and other officials, but that's what happens. That's why the devices are going to Quantico, Virginia, the FBI laboratory, for analysis. That's why the governor said the train -- the subway stations will be opened when the FBI says they can be opened.
The streets that are now part of the crime scene will be opened to the public when the FBI makes that determination. So we now know there is no ifs, ands, there's no mincing words. It's a terrorism investigation, and the FBI has a lead but that's in a way is irrelevant because the Joint Terrorism Task Force in New York has hundreds of police officers from all of the various agencies in New York, including more than 150 New York City police detectives and they work closely with the New York's counter terrorism division and intelligence division of NYPD.
So it's a joint effort, but it is a terrorist act. And you know, the mayor last night said, we're not going to let them disrupt our lives and change, you know, the way we live. Now the governor makes the same statement. That tells you right there that they've known since last night that this is terrorism. That somebody has committed acts designed to put fear into the public, change the way we do business. You know, bring about something, whatever their agenda is, and it's not just the personal crime where somebody wants to kill their husband or wife or a business associate or damage a building because they got kicked out of it or some other personal motive. That this has a grander motive. And that's what they suspect.
BLACKWELL: We also learned about these devices. A few new interesting elements here. First, the governor saying that the element that detonated on 23rd Street was similar to the one that was discovered on 27th Street. So now we know we're talking about two pressure cookers and he referred to the device in which we have a photograph that did not detonate as a bomb.
FUENTES: Well, they've referred to all the devices as bombs, you know, pretty much from the beginning. Sources were telling me early last night improvised explosive device which basically is a bomb would caused the bombing, it caused the injuries. And that's what would have been relayed. And by the way, there's a joint operations center that's been in effect for several weeks in New York because of the U.N. beginning their session this week.
And as a result of that, Secret Service would have their agents in there, all federal and state and local agencies in the area would have representation in that operation center and what I think happened last night is that Secret Service agents at the center advised the agents that are with Mr. Trump and they are with Miss Clinton and said we believe we've had a bomb go off and that that's how that started, that's where that rhetoric began from their briefings when those planes landed.
[10:35:07] They were going by what they were told and that could have easily and probably come because the Secret Service would tell both candidates, look, we don't know what this is all about yet, we know we've had a bomb detonate in New Jersey, we now believe a bomb in New York City, what is next. Are you going to be attacked? Is your plane going to be threatened? You know, those type of concerns on the part of the Secret Service. So that's how that information would normally have gotten out last night and what the candidates would have been told right at the time their planes landed. BLACKWELL: Yes. Some of the discussions that have been happening
behind the scenes now happening in front of -- in front of the cameras, as we heard there from Governor Cuomo referring to both of these as bombs and saying that they are both pressure cooker bombs, according to what he's been told.
BLACKWELL: These elements are now being sent to Quantico. Walk us through what is happening there.
FUENTES: Well, they take them there and you have, you know, very, very well experienced and competent explosives experts, bomb experts there at the Bomb Data Center. Part of the FBI laboratory at Quantico. And they will be looking at every device, the three devices that we have. The one in New Jersey as well as the two in New York, the one that detonated, the one that didn't. And they will be looking for any information from those devices, the wiring, the way the detonation was set up, the components that were used, the type of powder or explosive material or residue that was used to see if there is a similarity and what was used to make the bomb and the methodology in making the bomb and/or any other direct evidence such as a fingerprint, a hair fiber, some other DNA, skin particles that might have been left on the unexploded device in particular.
So that's what that investigation will be about. And they should have, you know, pretty early in this be able to say whether those three devices were probably made by the same hands or not. But they'll have more information about that once the devices get to the laboratory and once they get a collapse to begin their analysis on the devices.
BLACKWELL: All right, Tom, stand by. I want to bring in CNN's Jessica Schneider who is there in New York near the scene of this blast.
Jessica, Governor Cuomo there said that an additional 1,000 members of the National Guard and state police will be out patrolling. He also said that it's a miracle that no one was injured here suffered fatal injuries based upon the damage we've seen. What have you seen and what are we seeing there at the scene?
JESSICA SCHNEIDER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, you know, Victor, Governor Cuomo was here for about an hour. He surveyed the scene around West 23rd Street. He also surveyed the damage right up there by 6th Avenue. He says that the damage is significant, significant property damage. And because of that, he says it's quite miraculous that the people who were injured weren't injured more severely.
In fact speaking at a press conference just a few minutes ago as you heard, Governor Cuomo said all 29 people who were injured, many of them, most of them taken to the hospital, all of them have now been released. So he said amazing and he's thankful that the damage and the injuries weren't more significant. But of course, coming out of this press conference, two major points. First of all, Governor Cuomo clarifying Mayor de Blasio's comments from last night saying that there doesn't appear to be a link to international terrorism.
Mayor de Blasio last night just simply put it as blanket terrorism. And in addition, Governor Cuomo stressed that the focus right now is on forensics. The explosive device as well as the pressure cooker that was found at West 27th Street that did not explode, those elements, those devices, which have been taken to Quantico, being investigated, being looked at by the FBI.
Also significantly, Governor Cuomo saying that the explosion that happened yesterday morning in Seaside Park, New Jersey, it was early in the morning about 12 hours before this explosion, that happened just before the beginning of the Marine Corps charity race that was going on. There were three pipe bombs, one of them exploded. Now Governor Cuomo working in conjunction with New Jersey Governor Chris Christie.
Governor Cuomo saying just a few minutes ago that it did not appear that the bomb -- pipe bomb materials that were used in Seaside Park are the same materials used here. They're still trying to determine if there was a link between these two, especially considering the fact that they happened in such close proximity, so close in timing, a bit apart in distance. But Governor Christie or Governor Cuomo saying that he is working with Governor Christie, also waiting to hear the results from the FBI.
And as you mentioned, Governor Cuomo also announcing that they will be positioning about 1,000 extra New York state police officers as well as members of National Guard. Of course tomorrow being Monday, people here in New York City headed back to work. Governor Cuomo saying what's of the ultimate most importance is that people continue to feel safe in this city and continue to move on as normal -- Victor.
BLACKWELL: And the governor adding that the subway station there near the scene of this blast suffered no major damage but they will continue to watch that as well.
[10:40:06] Jessica Schneider, thank you so much.
The two major headlines out of what we learned from the governor, all 29 victims of this blast last night in the Chelsea community of New York City have been released from the hospital and this now has been called what analysts expected it would be, an act of terror.
Stay with us. We'll take you live to the hospital for a report after the break.
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CUOMO: We will find who planted these explosives and they will be punished. And number two, we will not allow these types of people and these types of threats to disrupt our life in New York. That's what they want to do. We're not going to let them do it. This is freedom, this is democracy, and we're not going to allow them to take that from us. (END VIDEO CLIP)
BLACKWELL: That's Governor Andrew Cuomo just moments ago saying that the terrorists who committed this act, detonating that bomb that went off in the Chelsea neighborhood last night will not stop New Yorkers from enjoying that city and going on with their lives.
[10:45:07] He also said that it's a miracle that no one died as a result of that explosion. We know that 29 people were injured. We also learned just moments ago that all 29 victims have been released from local hospitals there in New York.
CNN's Cristina Alesci is outside of Bellevue Hospital. And I understand that you're hearing there some of those victims?
CRISTINA ALESCI, CNN MONEY CORRESPONDENT: Yes. And what we're hearing at least at Bellevue here where 11 of those victims were treated and then released. Was that -- they were treated for relatively minor injuries, probably as a result of debris from the explosion, glass, metal, flying through the air. And while those images that we've been watching all morning are disturbing, luckily a lot of those people were able to get treated and get home. So that's really good news.
That said, we were monitoring the situation of one serious injury and it seems like based on what Governor Cuomo says that that person was released, as well. Like I said, you know, people were definitely shaken up and in addition to being exposed to that debris, there was also one victim that my colleague Rachel Crane spoke to who was actually driving in a car and the force from the explosion was so great that he lost control of the vehicle. Take a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I could tell you, vaguely I remember, I was driving the car and next thing you know, I felt an explosion and the car just tilted over half way and came back down. And what happened was, I just blacked out and next thing you know, I'm in an ambulance.
RACHEL CRANE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And what about you? What do you remember?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everything was so sudden and fast. It was more of a shock that I remember.
CRANE: How are you doing now?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pain. You know, a little traumatized. Just thought about that I was close to not actually seeing my son again. That was scariest part of the night.
CRANE: Not seeing your son ran through your head.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
CRANE: You thought you were going to lose your life. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Just to be caught in the explosion, I was
like, oh, man. I was just -- like everything was moving fast and I was just stuck in slow motion. Felt like I was in mud. Couldn't move. Quick sand.
CRANE: What about you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I really was in shock mode. Just like shock stage.
CRANE: Would you say you're still in shock?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, pretty much. I mean you just don't know what to expect at the moment.
CRANE: What kind of injuries do you have? You're on crutches I see.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, sprained knee and a little head injury, and a knee somewhat -- I've got to see, got to go back and more treatment for my knee. See how it really is.
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ALESCI: Victor, we've been talking about this before. 23rd Street is very busy. Especially on a Saturday night. And given the force of the explosion, it's really remarkable that more people weren't hurt and that there weren't more serious injuries. And as Governor Cuomo said that there wasn't a fatality involved here given the damage that you're seeing on your screen right now, that is really truly lucky for New York City. And I think New Yorkers right now are breathing a deep sort of sigh of relief.
BLACKWELL: Yes, Cristina there in front of Bellevue Hospital. We know that the investigation of course continues. The bombs have now been taken to Quantico, but there's still a major footprint there in that Chelsea neighborhood as they look for any evidence that could lead them to the person responsible.
Again, Cristina Alesci, reporting for us, thank you so much.
We'll take a quick break and then we'll look more into this investigation as it begins. We'll be right back.
[10:52:01] BLACKWELL: I'm Victor Blackwell. Covering the breaking news out of New York. Hearing from the governor, Andrew Cuomo, the very latest on the investigation.
Let's bring in CNN law enforcement analyst Tom Fuentes.
And Tom, we know you expected this would be classified as an act of terror. All 29 people, though, are out of local hospitals and these bombs have now been sent out to the labs at Quantico to try to collect some evidence. What we've heard, though, from the governor is that there is no evidence of any further threat, immediate threat to the city of New York. Is that based typically on the absence of a variable or the presence of one? How do they make that determination?
FUENTES: I don't know how he makes that determination actually, Victor. Because, you know, if you walk down the streets of New York any day -- any time of the day, as you walk down the sidewalks, there are many trash containers out on the sidewalks or next to the street or next to the apartment buildings. You know, plastic bags, garbage bags, trash bag, trash cans, dumpsters. So how do say that there isn't another device sitting in one of those tens of thousands of containers that are out on that street.
I think that's what's leading him to deploy the National Guard and the state police to the streets of New York so that they can patrol and look inside of containers like that and try to see if they can find another device not knowing where one might be planted at some future time.
BLACKWELL: We're about 14 hours into this investigation and there is a significant area of Lower Manhattan that's still blocked off after this bomb detonated. How long do you expect that that will be the case?
FUENTES: Good question. I don't know what they are finding on the sidewalk. You know, you had the problem that when these devices were located last night, the exploded device and the unexploded device it was nighttime. And it's a fairly -- it's not lit up like Times Square. It's a darker area. So they were very much hampered by darkness in trying to do an adequate crime scene search. So I think right now what they're doing is looking, as I mentioned, every trash can, every plastic bag they can find. Have the dogs try to look at and sniff out another explosive if they can.
And, you know, it's a very methodical job and they've only had a few hours of daylight so far to be able to do it. So I think that the darkness last night delayed the real intensive ground search that they are trying to do today.
BLACKWELL: You know, we learned from a senior law enforcement source that there's been a bit of a setback in the investigation already. Some of the surveillance video that investigators were watching, it seems it's either too dark or too grainy to even pick out a person here who could be responsible for these -- this explosion and the other device potentially. How big of a setback is that?
FUENTES: It's a big setback. They don't have any kind of an adequate description not only for their own investigation, but to put out to the public. You know, when -- in Boston when the photos of the Tsarnaev brothers and the videos of them were put to the public, a lot of phone calls came this because they recognized the baseball hats or the way they work or the demeanor and build. You don't have any of that in this case so far.
[10:55:13] Now there might be another video that shows up, but as of now, they don't. And even the store security cameras down the street, it might not tell that you that person was the one that actually was down on the sidewalk earlier. You'll have different cameras that they will try to put together in chronological order. BLACKWELL: Yes.
FUENTES: It could be very difficult.
BLACKWELL: All right, Tom Fuentes, thanks so much for the analysis.
FUENTES: You're welcome.
BLACKWELL: The headline here, 29 people who were injured in what is now being considered an act of terror all out of the hospital. The two bombs that were discovered, one detonated last night at 8:30, have been September off to the lab in Quantico to try to find some evidence to locate the person responsible.
We know that New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio will hold a news conference at noon and we'll bring you of course the latest that we learn from that.
Thanks for staying with us. We send you now to "RELIABLE SOURCES" and Brian Stelter after a quick break.
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AIDEN LESLIE, RESIDENT WHO WITNESSED BLAST SCENE: And I saw people -- some people covered where debris, you know, soot, dust. There was smoke. There was a lot of fire engines, a lot of police presence. I saw an elderly man which was very hard to watch, but he had blood on his face and blood in his arm.
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BRIAN STELTER, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. I'm Brian Stelter. And it's time for RELIABLE SOURCES, our weekly look at the stories behind the stories about news and pop culture get made.
This morning New York City is on high alert. Calm but well aware of last night's explosion on 23rd Street here in Manhattan. At this hour a possible second device is being taken apart and probe by law enforcement. We've just heard from the governor --