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Suspect in Custody After New Jersey Shootout; FBI: Rahami Linked to Explosive Devices; FBI: No Sign of New York Terror Cell; Trump: "Immigration Security is National Security": Security Now in focus on U.S. Campaign Trail; Clinton: We Need to Counter Terrorism Online; Wells Fargo CEO Heads to Senate Over Fraud. Aired 4-5p ET

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[16:00:00] PAULA NEWTON, CNN ANCHOR: Sadiq Khan, there. The Mayor of London closing the day's trading out as the Dow's early rally fades on what

has been a very dramatic day here in New York City. It is Monday, the 19th of September.

Tonight, a terror suspect in custody after a shootout in New Jersey. We will be live at the scene after three days of terror. Hillary Clinton and

Donald Trump call for tougher rules on visas in the wake of the arrest. And business as usual in the city that never sleeps. President Obama

praises New York's resilience.

I'm Paula Newton and this is QUEST MEANS BUSINESS.

Tonight the FBI says it has directly linked Ahmad Khan Rahami to explosive devices found in New York and New Jersey. Now Rahami was taken into

custody after a massive manhunt and a shootout with police. The location Linden, New Jersey, about 50 miles from Manhattan. Now the owner of a bar

there says he spotted Rahami sleeping in the doorway and alerted police.

Authorities identified Rahami on Sunday night using his fingerprint. The FBI says Rahami is a naturalized U.S. citizen of Afghan dissent. Law

enforcement sources say he made multiple trips to Afghanistan in the last few years.

The mayor of New York Bill de Blasio says, authorities are not actively looking for any other suspects at this time.


MAYOR BILL DE BLASIO, NEW YORK: First of all, there is no other individual were looking for at this point in time. And that's very important, to

answer your question. Second, vigilance is called for, and it's very, very important a people see anything unusual, particularly an unattended pack,

that they reported immediately. Call it in, or find a law enforcement officer. So I think the commissioner's exactly right. We are very, very

appreciative for all of the men and women who did this work to get this suspect, but we want to remain vigilant.


NEWTON: And remain vigilant they do. Authorities have linked Ahmad Khan Rahami to two bombings and one attempted attack. First on Saturday in

Seaside Park, New Jersey, a rubbish bin exploded near the starting line of a Marine Corps charity run. Nobody was injured. The second attack hours

later in the Chelsea neighborhood of Manhattan that blast injured 29 people. A second pressure cooker device was found just four blocks away.

Finally, on Sunday night in Elizabeth, New Jersey, that's were a backpack was found loaded with up to five devices. Now one of those devices

exploded as a police robot attempted to disarm it. CNN's Jean Casarez is at the scene. Jean, you been on the scene for several hours now.

Incredibly dramatic what unfolded there. But I guess law enforcement sources there are also saying that they owe a debt of gratitude to the


JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right. You know it's been an amazing 48 hours. Saturday night I was at 23rd St. in the Chelsea area of

New York City, here where it all ended. Where Rahami was taken down.

Lyndon, New Jersey is really a residential community. It is small, it's families as you say, it's about 50 miles outside of New York City, past the

New Jersey State Line. But it was that tip today from the man that on the bar that was watching CNN and saw the face of the man that police said were

armed and dangerous, and saw him sleeping in the doorway of his bar. He called law enforcement. Law enforcement then tracked him to this location

right here where there was a gunfight. In the suspect went down. Officers were injured. All were transported to hospital, but the fact is they took

him and they took him alive. And law enforcement said earlier today in New York that they were very happy to have taken him alive.

When the shootout was going on here, about three miles down the road is Elizabeth, New Jersey and that is where his family, his father, owns the

First American chicken restaurant. And the mayor of Elizabeth, New Jersey told me that the family lives on the upstairs level. Well the FBI for

hours today was executing a search warrant. And we saw at least one box of evidence come out. Two different cars were towed away. But it was a very

serious FBI all over the house this morning. Really searching every nook and cranny.

And that bomb you talked about that was in the backpack, from last night, 1 mile away from the chicken restaurant last night two men looked into a

trashcan and they found a backpack, and they took it. They wanted to see what was in it. They took it under the railroad tracks. They opened it

up. They saw pipe and some wires. And they realized, this is something serious. They ran, I am told, from the mayor of Elizabeth, New Jersey, to

the police department.

[16:05:00] Alerted police there is something really serious here. That is when the bomb squad was called in. That is when the robot was called in.

It detonated one of the bombs and there were five bombs in that backpack.

But no one was injured from it. And today we find law enforcement is saying, they believe Rahami is associated with bombings in New Jersey and

bombings in New York. So he is in custody now, even though he is in the hospital. And the Federal Prosecutor in New York says it may take time

before they file charges, but obviously, this is a serious situation involving two different states.

NEWTON: In terms of remaining vigilant. As you said, it's been an incredible 48 hours. At first we didn't get any indication that what

happened in New Jersey was linked to New York. At this point, do you believe -- and they do say this is an active investigation -- that they are

looking for other explosives, still?

CASAREZ: Well, this is what we're hearing. They said publicly that that they don't believe anyone else is involved. They believe he acted alone.

Rahami, remember, he's not charged yet, but they're also saying they believe he got help. That is sort of a mixed message right there. So as

the information continues, I think anything can unfold. They're talking with people. Interviewing, combing for evidence and evidence is going to

be analyzed at the FBI lab in Quantico, Virginia. And fingerprints, DNA, any type of evidence from some of these pieces of evidence that there

collecting. The bombs, or the remnants from the explosions, you never know what forensically they can find.

NEWTON: OK, Jean Casarez, has been on the scene for many hours and continues to follow that very active investigation. Jean, thank you.

The investigation as we have been saying is just beginning. Tom Fuentes is an assistant director at the FBI. He joins me now live from Washington.

In terms of when you look at the coordination, and I know you know this so well and so intimately, in terms of them being able to have a suspect in

custody so quickly, what was at work here?

TOM FUENTES, FMR. FBI ASSISTANT DIRECTOR: Well, Paula, you have the agencies working together every day year around seamlessly. And these are

large operations, but they all get along very well. Many people don't understand in the United States, we have a 100 joint terrorism task forces.

And the departments that are on that, if you take New York City, the joint terrorism task forces, they're run by the FBI and they consist of every law

enforcement agency in the jurisdiction, and the only stipulation is that the officers have to achieve a top secret clearance. Be eligible for top-

secret, and be devoted full-time to that task force.

And then they have unfettered access to all of the material that comes in, the communications that come from FBI offices around the world, CIA, other

intelligence community and foreign partners. This is very effective. Everybody has access to all of the information. Then they were closely in

this case with the New Jersey Joint Terrorism Task Force. So you have several hundred, probably 500 officers and agents working together all the

time. And so they are able to very quickly cover these kind of leads. They know the work that has to be done. They know which databases to make

inquiries to. They know how to go about getting the information they need.

In this particular case, the second device in New York, and Manhattan, Saturday night, the pressure cooker did not explode. So they were able to

get a full fingerprint off that pressure cooker. And in the case of Rahami, he's a naturalized U.S. citizen born in Afghanistan. So

immigration authorities, when you become a U.S. citizen, they would take his fingerprints. They would be able to match that fingerprint to his

application to become a U.S. citizen, which he did. And that is how they identified him. And then go from there, attempt to find him and find

whether he has associates or colleagues helping him.

NEWTON: Yes, and Tom, that's an important point to make, obviously. They had his fingerprints on record. They would have had a very clean match at

that point in time as soon as they had any fingerprints from that. Tom, I want to ask you, you know, it was extraordinary, it got a lot of people's

attention here in New York. They got basically an alert. A lot of people got in alert on their mobile phones to say, look, be on the lookout for

this guy. They didn't do it yesterday, even though they apparently knew the identity of this person. They did it first thing this morning. What

goes into your thinking there and your strategy? Why not bring the public in as soon as possible? And then, obviously, it was very successful once

they did it.

FUENTES: One reason not to -- and I've run two joint terrorism task forces in the past -- a reason not to would be that they want to try to find him,

but not alert him personally. So that he would still make contact with other associates, friends, or colleagues, or co-conspirators in this case,

if he has any.

[16:10:00] So the fear is that once you put that out to the public, if you can't find them on your own, put that out and get assistance from the

public, which worked in this case. But in the meantime, they would have had to make an assessment that they didn't think that he had anyone else

working with him in this situation and therefore, they would not be alerting the others to run away, to become fugitives. That go ahead and

get the assistance of the public and in this case that is what happened. The bar owner is looking at CNN on his laptop, and then he looks out the

front door and sees the matching subject sleeping in the doorway and calls the police.

NEWTON: It certainly was very effective in this case. Tom Fuentes, there live from Washington, appreciate it.

Investigators had look into the possibility that Ahmad Khan Rahami was part of a terror cell. A short time ago, the FBI said there no sign that such a

cell existed.


WILLIAM SWEENEY, FBI SPECIAL AGENT, NEW YORK: I have no indication that there is a cell operating in the area or in the city. The investigation is

ongoing. So as we develop more information, we continue to go, but I have no indication that there is a cell operating here.


NEWTON: CNN's chief national security correspondent, Jim Sciutto, is in Chelsea. I'm glad to see you on the ground there, Jim. And you and I are

going to be pointing at the very same thing. They're saying that there is in a cell, and yet we're seeing multiple trips to Afghanistan. What do you


JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: No question. Well, first on the question of was there a cell. The indications, there

was no cell. Also the NYPD is saying, that they're not actively looking for another attacker. Someone else out there who might plant a bomb. That

said, did he have a support network? That is another question. Did he have other help? I'm told by the ranking member of the House Intelligence

Committee, who was briefed on the attack, Adam Shift. He says, the operating assumption is that he did have help and this could be other

things. Did people provide him money? Did they give him other forms of support? They don't know the answer to that question, but they haven't

eliminated that. And that's an active line of inquiry right now.

Now in terms of his foreign travel, we know that he took multiple trips to Afghanistan. Now that certainly by itself is not incriminating in any way.

He had family there. He was from Afghanistan originally. But what they're looking at with regards to those trips, is during those trips did he have

contacts of interest? Did he meet with people or with organizations who might've helped radicalize him and direct an attack like this? They don't

know the answer to that question yet. But that's something they're focusing now on as well.

NEWTON: You and I know that in returning from Afghanistan, he would have had what they call a secondary inspection. Having gone through that,

sometimes that could be five minutes. Sometimes it can be five hours. We don't know what kind of information they gleaned from that. But what we've

seen from the investigations in Europe, Jim, is that even if someone didn't know exactly what he was up to, that there would've been people somehow

having some inclination that look, he was doing something with putting together these bombs. I mean, how difficult is it going to be for them to

try and trace those tentacles? Whether they extend to Afghanistan, or right there in Chelsea where you are.

SCIUTTO: Well, that's the question. It is very possible that others might have had an inkling of what he was talking about doing. But it's also

possible that they didn't. He appears to be a lone actor here. So is something that he could conceivably have concealed, or if people has

suspicions. Perhaps, they didn't have suspicions that he would go this far. They're not in a place where they have an active suspicion of

someone, or at least have established that they have that to back that up. But they're looking at that now, and you make a very good point. If you

look at the Orlando shooter for instance. There were things he did in advance of that attack that might have raised alarm bells. And those are

the lines they're looking at right now.

NEWTON: Jim, if we look at the larger national security perspective, is this something that is giving authorities paused you think? Or look, the

system is working the way it should. And you and I both know how large that NYPD Counterterrorism Unit is, and then all the help that they have to

bring to bear. But what's your sense right now from officials?

SCIUTTO: Well, here's the thing, New York -- and I'm from New York -- and I've sadly covered terror attacks in New York before going back to 9/11.

This is a city that has enormous resources and since 9/11 have invested resources in people. And they're very good at what they do. But even the

best, and this is true in counterterror not just here in the U.S., but in Europe.

NEWTON: I apologize for that, we just lost Jim Sciutto there. But as you can see he's on the ground and Chelsea working his national security


Now despite that tension there was no panic on the markets. The Dow closed fairly flat, and we'll discuss that reaction. Up next, from Wall Street.

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NEWTON: The New York business day carried on largely as normal, Monday, despite a man hunt for the person who detonated a bomb in the city just 36

hours prior. Now after the Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris last year, New York City evaluated its counterterrorism plan and found it to be lacking.

Now that led to the creation of a new permanent unit called, Critical Response Command. There are now more than 500 officers, both highly

trained and highly armed, ready to respond to terror attacks throughout the city. The ramped up ground presence acts in conjunction with a

considerable intelligence gathering force.

The NYPD began working with the FBI in the wake of 9/11 to evade terror threats before they happen. Councilmember Corey Johnson represents

District 3 in the New York City Council. We have to point out that is kind of the size, in terms of population of major cities around the world, you

now have that force as well. That is really like a force in a small European country trying too counterterror. I want to ask you first, how

are the people in your district doing? How do you think the tone is now after a very dramatic 48 hours?

COREY JOHNSON, DISTRICT 3 REPRESENTATIVE, NEW YORK CITY COUNCIL: Well, so much as transpired in the last 48 hours. We went from not knowing what

actually happened in the hours, to knowing what happened. To finding a secondary device a few blocks away. To seeing what happened last night in

Elizabeth, New Jersey. To finding a suspect today. And so I think it's been a bit of a roller coaster for folks.

The area is trying to still get back on its feet. That block, 23rd St., between sixth and seventh avenues in the heart of Chelsea, is still shut

down at this time. Eighty-one small businesses are still not open for business. And if you live on that block, you need a police escort and a

proof of address, to get back into your home. So we are still trying to get back on our feet. But, you know, New Yorkers are resilient and were

not to let anyone intimidate us.

NEWTON: And I don't know people -- any better place to have a kind of blueprint for how you behave after all of this. I mean, in terms of what

was done in getting information out to the public -- and we understand they're still dealing with a lot of adversity on those blocks -- were there

any lessons learned? Or do you think things went fairly well?

JOHNSON: Well, you know when something like this happens, it's my opinion, and I'm not a counter-terrorism expert, that we should be circumspect right

away until we get the facts. And so last night or two nights ago, understandably the media was trying to categorize it as terrorism or not

terrorism. I think the NYPD, and the FBI, and the joint Counterterrorism Task Force were really trying to get their facts straight before they

divulge the information. More and more has come out over the past 48 hours. I'm sure more will come out now that there is a suspect that has

been apprehended. I think that the police commissioner, James O'Neal, his first day on the job, following Bill Bratton leaving on Friday, it was a

big first day for him. And I think the NYPD stepped up big time.

NEWTON: And they did. And I think that most people would say, that look, the way they acted kept everyone basically calm. And a lot of people have

been going about their business. But let me ask you this. You brought it up in terms of whether this was terrorism or wasn't terrorism. Bill de

Blasio, the mayor, was not willing to call it terrorism right away until he had the facts. At the same time, do you not worry that you lose

credibility with New Yorkers. New Yorkers saying, it's a duck, it looks like a duck, it walks like a duck, it's a duck.

JOHNSON: again, I'm not a counterterrorism expert, I want to leave it for the experts.

[16:20:00] NEWTON: But is about what you think for your people walking the streets in Chelsea.

JOHNSON: My opinion on this matter is that even if it ends up not being credibly linked to ISIS, or to al Qaeda, or another terrorist network,

clearly this man was trying to strike fear and terror in residents on a warm Saturday night in New York City. Two bombs, one on 23rd Street, one

on 27th Street, one went off, one didn't. It looks like he was linked to the bombing the day before to the road race in New Jersey, and last night

the backpack with five pipe bombs in it, in Elizabeth, New Jersey. That sounds like a terrorist to me. Whether it's a lone wolf or not a lone

wolf, I mean, right here the governor said yesterday, it's sort of semantics, is it internationally linked terrorism? Is it homegrown

domestic terrorism? I think at the end of the day, it is terrorism.

NEWTON: And in terms of how your community interprets that. You know, we are 15 years out from 9/11. It is incredible what has happened in that

area of the city. So incredibly resilient. Has come back stronger than before. And yet very much remembering what happened that day and the loss

of that day. How does New York deal with this now? You know everybody is saying it, I'm sure you're saying it, attacks like this could happen again.

JOHNSON: You know what interesting is that, first of all, to provide some context for folks, this block, 23rd Street, nondescript, run-of-the-mill

block. I live in the neighborhood. It's a nice block. No military facilities, no police facilities --

NEWTON: It is not an obvious target.

JOHNSON: No, it's not the World Trade Center. It's not Grand Central. It's not Time Square. So that's a little strange that it happened there.

It's scary that it happened there. What I would say it I was there five minutes after the attack. I was on 23rd Street and 9th Avenue. Five

minutes before it happened I came over to the site. New Yorkers were wondering what was going on, but it was not total chaos. New Yorkers I

think, are used to stressful situations. You the `93 World Trade Center bombing. You had 9/11. You had Sandy which decimated the city, hurricane

Sandy. And so New Yorkers are resilient. They're calm and they know how to deal with situations that would probably panic a lot of other people.

NEWTON: And thank goodness for New Yorkers, right?

JOHNSON: Best city ever.

NEWTON: Some may debate you on that but has some of the best people on earth. Corey, thank you so much. We really appreciate it.

JOHNSON: Thank you for having me.

NEWTON: We want to bring you Donald Trump who is speaking at a rally in Florida, and Fort Myers. In fact, you want to listen in to what he has to

say, to see if he also says something about the events here in New York City. Let's take a listen.

DONALD TRUMP, U.S. REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: There have been Islamic terrorist attacks in Minnesota and New York City and in New Jersey.

These attacks and many others were made possible because of our extremely open immigration system which fails to properly vet and screen the

individuals or families coming into our country. Got to be careful.

Attack after attack, from 911 to San Bernardino, we have seen how failures to screen who is entering the United States puts all of our citizens,

everyone in this room, at danger.

So, let me state very, very clearly. Immigration security is national security. My opponent has the most open voter's policy of anyone ever to

seek the presidency. As Secretary of State, she allowed thousands of criminal aliens to be released into our communities because their home

communities would not take them back. They didn't want them. They didn't want them. They were too bad. They said keep them, United States, we

don't want them. And she did nothing about it.

Now she wants a 550 percent increase in Syrian refugees above the high numbers we already have. Altogether, her plan would bring in 620,000

refugees in her first term, with no effective way to screen them or vet them. Law enforcement said there is no way. Her plan would cost $400

billion in terms of lifetime welfare benefit, and entitlement costs. You can't have vetting if you don't look at ideology. And Hillary Clinton

refuses to consider an applicant's world view and thus their likelihood of being recruited into the terror cause at some later date. Which is going

to happen in many, many cases.

[16:25:06] This isn't just a matter of terrorism. This is also really, a question of quality of life. We want to make sure we are only admitting

people into our country who love our country. We want them to love our country. And we want them to love our people. We support immigration that

strengthens and uplifts our nation. People who come here, they support our values and they want to up hold our constitution. My highest duty as

president is to protect our citizens and to uphold the constitution of the United States.

I will honor that duty to the fullest extent every single day, and I will never waver. And I will tell you that I consider a sacred obligation.


It is just a plain fact that our current immigration system makes no real attempt to determine the views of the people entering. Since 9/11,

hundreds of immigrants and their children from high risk regions have been implicated in terrorism and terrorist related activity in the United

States. Hundreds and hundreds. The Senate subcommittee on immigration, chaired by Senator Jeff Sessions, who is a truly great Senator and man, has

released this information in great detail, and we encourage you all to look it up.

Now we learn, today, that another 858 immigrants from dangerous countries have slipped into our country and have been granted full citizenship

despite pending deportation orders. These are people that were supposed to be deported and they were giving full citizenship. They made a mistake.

This is totally unacceptable. Altogether, there are nearly 1 million individuals in the United States with deportation orders who have not yet

been removed.

In the 20th century, the United States defeated fascism, Nazism, and communism. Now we must defeat radical Islamic terrorism. Yet the

president of the United States, or my opponent and both won't even say the words radical Islamic terror. In fact, Hillary Clinton talks tougher about

my supporters than she does about Islamic terrorists, right? She calls the patriotic Americans who support our campaign, many of them cops and

soldiers deplorable and irredeemable. And she means it. Millions and millions of people. Has she ever talk that way about radical Islam? No.

Or about those who oppose and murder women and gays overseas? Has Hillary Clinton ever called people who support these practices deplorable and

irredeemable. No.

NEWTON: And that is Donald Trump at a rally in Florida. He is saying that his immigration security means a national security. And he is criticizing

Hillary Clinton saying, she would have the most open borders policy of any president.

What's interesting is that he was pointing to an "Associated Press" report from today that claims that more than 850 people were able to naturalize,

become U.S. citizens, even though in the words of the Homeland Security Department here in the United States, and the Inspector General there, that

they had applied for U.S. citizenship. But that there were discrepancies. That those discrepancies were not caught and that there was either fraud

involved, or that they do pose, perhaps, a security risk to the United States. Obviously, Donald Trump, returning to statements that have found

some residents here during the election campaign and saying that he will abdicate a very strenuous screening of immigration applicants here to the

country. Will continue to watch the campaign as it unfolds.

[16:30:12] We've been telling you Donald Trump says that those attacks will only get worse until the U.S. stops what he says is being too politically

correct. Hillary Clinton, meantime, slams that rhetoric as irresponsible and reckless. The politics of terror, once again front and center in this

2016 race for the White House.


NEWTON: Hello, I'm Paula Newton, what have more of QUEST MEANS BUSINESS in just a moment. But first, these are the top headlines we're following for

you this hour.

Authorities in the U.S. have captured the man believed to be behind the bombings in New York and New Jersey. An explosion in Manhattan that

injured 29 people. No injuries were reported at two locations in New Jersey though, New York Governor, Andrew Cuomo spoke with CNN earlier

today. He said the bombings were clearly acts of terror.


GOVERNOR ANDREW CUOMO, NEW YORK: You set you have two bombs in New York City. That's terrorism. That is generic terrorism. The question becomes,

is it foreign related? That is a second question. And yesterday we didn't have that information. But call it what it is.


NEWTON: Twenty-two-year-old Dahir Adan has been identified as the man suspected of an attack at a mall in Minnesota. Adan, allegedly stabbed

nine people Saturday before and off duty police officer shot and killed him. An ISIS linked news agency calls him a soldier of the Islamic state.

The United Nations has confirmed that one of its aid convoys was hit on the way to the Syrian city of Urum. It says the food aid was intended for some

78,000 people. Speaking earlier this hour at the UN Migrant Summit in New York, the U.S. Secretary of State, John Kerry, said aid workers ought to

be, "Be granted unfettered access."

Meanwhile, war planed bombed a rebel held neighborhood in the Syrian city of Aleppo just minutes after the Syrian army said the cease-fire was now

over. And Russia nor the United States, who brokered the truce, have said they agree with that assessment. U.S. Secretary of State, John Kerry says,

the basic ceasefire is holding but fragile.

There seems to be little signs that the trading has been effective by the terror attacks. The Dow closed fairly flat. Down almost 4 points. The

S&P 500 ended the day unchanged. Paul La Monica is at the New York Stock Exchange.

[16:35:00] And before we get into the business, it is incredible. Everybody went about their business. The rain and the traffic interfered

with a lot of people getting to that business of the day. But again, verily on rattled by the events.

PAUL R. LA MONICA, CNNMONEY CORRESPONDENT: Yes, exactly, Paula. It was really quiet and business as usual coming into the exchange this morning.

I did not notice any significant increase in security. And that's not to say that there is a security. There is a fair amount and it has been that

way since 9/11 of 2001 of course. So I think right now it is business as usual. Luckily, thankfully we didn't have mass casualties as a result of

these events over the weekend. I think that is why many traders may be cavalierly just brushing this off as, sadly, modern life.

NEWTON: As they get used to this, they are obviously getting used to also the major questions involved in what the Fed is going to do or not going to

do. I understand the market was in a bit of a holding pattern here. Still again, just waiting on all that news from the Fed.

LA MONICA: Yes, I think that's going to be the key driver for the remainder of this week. What will the Fed say about the timing of the

eventual rate hike? We know that the Fed wants to raise rates. They're not going to do it at this week's meeting. They're probably not going to

do it in November just before the election, unless they're crazy. So I think that they really are now at a point where maybe they hike in

December. And then 2017, depending on who the next president is, you could get a series of rate hikes if the financial markets and U.S. economy remain

relatively stable.

NEWTON: Yes, a lot of the banks -- Central banks, taking a lot of flak from a lot of markets around the world. Will continue to wait for that

news later in the week. Our Paul La Monica there, appreciate it.

We want to bring you up to date on tonight's top story. The FBI says this man, Ahmad Khan Rahami is directly linked to the bombings in New York and

New Jersey over the weekend. Rahami was apprehended just a few miles south of Manhattan after a massive manhunt ended in an exchange of gunfire with

police. He is 28 years old and a naturalized American citizen of Afghan dissent. Officials say they are not currently searching for anyone else in

connection with these acts of terror.

Drew Griffin is in Linden, New Jersey. And I know you've been looking into this story all day as that investigation has unfolded. I mean, still what

many people are wondering is he likely had a secondary inspection every time he returned from Afghanistan. In terms of the mechanisms in place to

make sure that you have had an eye on people like this, would authorities just say, look, we have no indication that he would have had any ill will

or ill intent upon returning to the United States.

DREW GRIFFIN, CNN SENIOR INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT: That is absolutely right, they did question them as he came back from Afghanistan. Apparently

there were several trips. He may have visited other countries as well. We're seeking to confirm that. But Paula, they do say, they have this man

not on any radar. He seemed to fit into his neighborhood here where his family ran a restaurant. Apparently owned by either his uncle or his

father where he worked. And according to friends we've talked to, he was, what they would call, Americanized. He came to the United States in the

1990s. He was just seven years old. His family sought asylum here. Was granted asylum and they settled here in Elizabeth, New Jersey. Paula.

NEWTON: And I think that's what's so frustrating for so many people when you look at this investigation. I mean, in terms of the mood there in New

Jersey, as we've spoken of already, this really was the community helping law enforcement be able to crack this case so quickly.

GRIFFIN: That is absolutely right, once the mug shot came out, of course, it was spread all over social media and the media itself. In fact, the bar

owner that actually spotted the man sleeping in a doorway in a bar just down the street, was watching on CNN. And said, hey, this guy who kind of

looks like a homeless person, actually looks a lot like the suspect. That's how this all ended. But, Paula, I've covered many, many cases here

in the United States, and there is a similarity, a pattern, of either very young children who come over here and their parents are from troubled

countries, you might say. But just want to bring their kids to a better country and bring a better life. Or they are first-generation and they

somehow get radicalized somewhere in their late teens, early 20s in the cases that we've covered. In fact, the Boston Marathon bombings, very,

very similar to what were seen develop here. Although, of course, we don't know all the answers to this case just yet. Paula.

NEWTON: And again, those links going back to their family's ancestry and that's something that the authorities will continue to look into.

Our Drew Griffin also remains on the ground. They're looking into this investigation. Appreciate it.

The events in New York and New Jersey have suddenly thrust the politics of terrorism insecurity to the forefront of the 2016 presidential election.

There are just 50 days until the poll polls open on November 8th. Hillary Clinton took questions from the press this morning in New York. Now, she

saw Donald Trump speak in Florida a short while ago.

[16:40:00] Sorry, we had Donald Trump speaking from here just a short time ago. You heard what he said about him saying that there needs to be more

vigilance in immigration. Here is what they had to say about the bombings.


HILLARY CLINTON, U.S. DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We need a better visa system. Let's remember what happened on 9/11, these were not refugees

who got into airplanes and attacked our city and our country.

Let's not get diverted and distracted by the kind of campaign rhetoric that we hear coming from the other side. This is a serious challenge, we're

well equipped to meet it, and we can do so in keeping with smart law enforcement, good intelligence and in concert with our values.

DONALD TRUMP, U.S. REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You can't have vetting if you don't look at ideology. Hillary Clinton refuses to consider

and applicant's worldview and thus their likelihood of being recruited into the terror cause at a later date which will happen in many, many cases.


NEWTON: David Chalian is CNN's political director he joins me now from Washington always joining me on the tough questions and issues. David, I

know you have been delving into the poll numbers, and look, we know what we know, in the poll numbers done before this weekend. But if you're looking

for a strong leader, you're with Trump. If you're looking for someone that is a little more cautious but also has some really good foreign policy

chops, you're looking at Hillary Clinton.

When we look at the battleground states, which is the only game in town right now, and those undecided voters, I mean come on, Donald Trump is out

there saying I know what you hear people say at kitchen tables and bus stops and train stops. Yes, we have to have more screening. Do you see it

playing into the election right now?

DAVID CHALIAN, CNN POLITICAL DIRECTOR: I think you sized it up really well. I think he is playing on the raw emotion in this event that has been

a core part of his strength. Bringing his immigration argument into this no doubt really have to, what he calls extreme vetting, but you heard

Hillary Clinton in what you just played there too, she is also talking about vetting.

So she doesn't want to concede the policy point. She is also clearly trying to play up have her credentials, experience, being in the situation

room having to make tough calls on national security matters. It is this difference that we see in the polls and listen you mentioned the

battleground states, it is a pretty close race right now.

Yes, there is still and advantage in the path to 270 for Hillary Clinton but watch these four states carefully. Colorado, Michigan, Pennsylvania,

Virginia. Those are states that have been leaning in Hillary Clinton's direction. If they end up moving back to the battle ground category, and a

real toss-up. That means her grip on electoral college is loosening a little bit and it would give Donald Trump a few more paths to 270 than he

currently has.

NEWTON: The point though here is can an incident like this, any national security issue brings Trump over the top in those areas? We have to say he

is already challenged by the math on the electoral vote.

David let's take something we haven't talked about was Florida. We had that horrific attack on the Orlando nightclub there. We had a few months

ago an attack. When you're in that state and looking at who can secure the United States, what seems to be resonating like when we are doing our exit

polls, when we are talking to people, what is resonating with the all- important voters who are still on the fence. Because we know what the base is going to say, we know.

CHALIAN: We don't have polling to reflect these events of the weekend yet. Up until them we had seen that the economy had taken back over as the

number one issue. National security had retreated a little a bit.

Now I would not be surprised if in the next round of polling we saw national security and terrorism take over the top issue slot as people are

thinking about what issue is most important to them in this election. And if incidents like this continue throughout the next 50 days or continued

fallout from this incident. And that is the front and center story of the day, the candidates are responding too.

NEWTON: And national security today means a terror event in the United States. National security tomorrow means North Korea and I think that they

interpret things differently. David always good to talk to you, we will continue to talk to you, you always remind me it is just a snapshot, one

day. Next day the story moves on again. Thank, David, appreciate it.

[16:45:02] Citizens, religious leaders and major tech companies all will be successful in a counter-terrorism strategy according to President Obama.

We will discuss the role of Silicon Valley, that's after the break.


NEWTON: Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama both say tech companies will be crucial in stopping terror threats. In the hours before Ahmad Rahami was

captured, Hillary Clinton said tech companies and the government need closer cooperation.


CLINTON: We should also launch an intelligence surge to help identify and thwart attacks before they can be carried out. We need to work more

closely with Silicon Valley and other partners to counter terrorist propaganda and recruitment efforts online.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We will continue to enlist tech companies, community and religious leaders to push back against online

extremist content and all messages of hate.


NEWTON: Juliette Kayyem is a CNN national security analyst. She joins me now from Massachusetts, Juliette. The story has changed a lot since you

and I spoke last night. Let's deal with that issue of an intelligence surge first. Is there such a thing and could it work?

JULIETTE KAYYEM, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: It could, but the more information that you have, the harder sometimes it is to find the tea leaf,

the person who is an enemy of the state, I think what both the president and Hillary Clinton were discussing is after the big fight here in the

United States over Apple and encryption, right? Over the iPhone of the San Bernardino killers and trying to get into it, there has been as noted by

many a sort of distrust between the government and Silicon Valley.

I think there needs to be a reset so that we can engage young, vibrant people to counter a narrative that seems to be succeeding, at least amongst

some people here in the United States.

NEWTON: I can tell you the way we have both looked at this, ISIS is showing people how to investigate, do their work on the internet without

having their tracks followed by authorities, right.

KAYYEM: That is why I think -- while technology is very, very helpful in the fight against terrorism, and it is also helpful in finding people after

something happens, to the extent that the FBI here in New York crowd sourced the picture. I do think that good old fashioned human

intelligence, human relationships, relationships with communities, go very far because in all of these cases, you'll find that a family member knew,

that an ex-wife knew that someone was becoming radicalized or changing. So we can't forget that the human engagement factor that might tell us who, in

fact, has been radicalized.

[16:50:00] NEWTON: I'm really interested to get your take now on everything that has been in the last 24 hours, especially when you look in

light of what happened during the Boston bombings. Juliette, we're looking at devices -- the pressure cooker gives it away, some people are saying it

is crude, some people are saying it is sophisticated, does it point again to someone perhaps looking to the internet from direction but getting more

ideology from overseas? I mean it is quite a puzzle to try and put this together now.

KAYYEM: Yes, it is. There is nothing unique about this pressure cooker. I don't anyone

believes that it is terribly sophisticated. It is sophisticated in the sense that you and I wouldn't want to build one, we'd have to put some

energy and resources into it. But someone who is focused on building one, getting the materials relatively easy.

But it is hard to make them work. What we have to remember with Rahami is it looks like he built eight and only two detonated successfully. And only

one caused harm. It shows there is a sort of lack of training as we see in a lot of these self-

radicalized guys. It is important to remember that the access to things that can cause harm, whether or not it is a knife, a gun, a pressure cooker

it is relatively easy.

NEWTON: And again chilling to even think about that. Juliette Kayyem, have you back again, appreciate it.

We'll be back in just a moment, first a highlight from make and create.


NEWTON: As Wells Fargo's CEO prepares for a senate hearing Tuesday on customer account fraud, one equity research firm says the recent stock sell

off, is you guessed it, a buying opportunity. The stock has plunged more than 10 percent as legislators criticize the U.S. bank but are customers

ready to forgive? Clare Sebastian has more.


IDRIS AQUIL, WELLS FARGO CUSTOMER: When I found out about it, I opened up an account across the street at Capital One bank.

CLARE SEBASTIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: For Wells Fargo customer Idris Aquil the sacking of over 5,000 employees for opening fake bank accounts was

enough for him to start moving his money. Who do you think should attack responsibility for this?

AQUIL: Wells Fargo should, I think they should because if I opened up some credit cards in some other person's name, it's a felony, they are going to

come looking for me.

SEBASTIAN: He is not the only one to feel this way, Senator Elizabeth Warren taking that cause on the campaign trail.

ELIZABETH WARREN, (D), UNITED STATES SENATOR: Wells Fargo cheats tens of thousands of people and Republicans want repeal the rules on Wall Street.

Well we believe in more accountability for big banks and when CEOs break laws they should go to jail just like anyone else.

SEBASTIAN: The justice department had opened an investigation into Wells Fargo, it is still unclear that will lead to charges. Wells Fargo declined

to comment. Even if it does lead to charges, there is no guarantee that it would lead to prosecution.

NEIL BAROFSKY, PARTNER, JENNER AND BLOCK: It all depends on the evidence and type of facts you have to connect senior people to the misconduct.

That is one part of it.

[16:55:00] The other part is frankly having the will to stand up to some of the most powerful institutions in the world, and willing to risk losing.

SEBASTIAN: Neil Barofsky would know all about taking those institutions. In 2008 he was put in charge of policing the US's bank bailout fund. How

much of this is because of the bailouts of the too big to fail attitude.

BAROFSKY: The take away for a lot of the large institutions after the financial crisis was frankly, they got away with it. You look what

happened with Wells Fargo in some ways there was some sort of similarity to what spurred the mortgage crisis, there again banks, non-banks but in the

financial industry were preying on their customers.

SEBASTIAN: Despite some concern among those customers though.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just made them check my account, and thank goodness I'm one of the lucky ones.

SEBASTIAN: It's a risk they learned to live with.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It could happen to Bank of America, it could happen to Chase, the truth is, to move is -- where do you move?



NEWTON: Now before we go, we want to bring you in some new information. The suspect in the New York and New Jersey bombings, we have new

information that U.S. officials says Ahmad Rahami spent several weeks in Afghanistan and Pakistan. And that he spent quite a bit of time over there

and was in fact married when he there was there to a Pakistani woman. CNN will continue to bring you more information on the ongoing investigation.

And that's it for QUEST MEANS BUSINESS. I'm Paula Newton in New York. Our coverage of the terror in New York and New Jersey will continue. Stay with