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Presidential Debate on Monday; Aftermath of Police Shootings; Chicago Mayor on Policing; Sports Update. Aired 9:30-10a ET
Aired September 23, 2016 - 09:30 ET
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[09:30:00] JEB BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Right now, I'm talking.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: You can go back.
BUSH: I'm talking.
TRUMP: You're not talking. You interrupted me, Jeb. Are you going to apologize, Jeb?
BUSH: September 30th you said it.
TRUMP: No. Am I allowed to finish?
WOLF BLITZER, MODERATOR: Yes, one at a time. Go ahead, Mr. --
TRUMP: Excuse me, am I allowed to finish?
BLITZER: Go ahead, Mr. Trump.
TRUMP: So, again, I --
BUSH: A little of your own medicine there.
TRUMP: No, no, no -- I know you're trying to build up your energy, Jeb, but it's not working very --
BLITZER: Governor -- Governor Bush, please, one at a time.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: OK. So, Todd, will we hear "crooked Hillary," "no-stamina Hillary," "Hillary rotten Hillary"? I could go on, but you get the drift here.
TODD GRAHAM, DEBATE DIRECTOR, SOUTHERN ILLINOIS UNIVERSITY CARBONDALE: Well, I think those examples are a really good idea for why I took the under in the bet that I've got with one of my graduate assistants on 45 minutes. I think Trump can last 45 minutes without starting those sorts of insults. And I took the under for a case of beer. But he hasn't gone through -- he's had 12 debates. He hasn't had one debate in 12 debates where he has -- he has withheld himself from insulting the opponent. And here's the problem, this is a 90-minute debate with only two people on stage.
COSTELLO: Yes.
GRAHAM: He hasn't had that yet. And so I'm just not sure if he can go a whole 90 minutes without insulting.
COSTELLO: Especially if Hillary Clinton would bait him, because isn't that part of her plan, Jackie?
JACKIE KUCINICH, WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF, "THE DAILY BEAST": Absolutely. She needs Donald Trump to -- look, it's not enough to catch him in lies. It's not enough to lie fact check him, as I'm sure she will do. She's got to get under his skin and she's got to make him look sort of unhinged, to play into the narrative that she's been using this entire campaign. So we'll -- she's been practicing doing that. She's been practicing going back at him for when he does attack her. But it's all different when you're on that stage. It's all different when you're behind that podium. So, for all the training, we'll see how it works out on Monday know. I know I can't wait.
COSTELLO: OK, so let's talk about Hillary Clinton in past debates because she's a wonk. She's adept at explaining policy. And if you don't remember, here's an example.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: What really is behind that question, Republicans and Democrats, is whether I can stand up to Wall Street. Well, let's have some facts instead of some rhetoric for a change. I went to Wall Street when I was a United States senator. I told them that they were wrecking the economy. I asked for a moratorium on foreclosures. I asked that we do more to try to prevent what I worried was going to happen. I also called for closing loopholes, including the carried interest loophole. I also called for changes in CEO pay. I have a record.
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COSTELLO: OK, so, Todd, could Hillary Clinton just filibuster Trump?
GRAHAM: I think that would be a terrible idea. In fact, if I'm coaching her, I tell her to do the exact opposite. I think that you can -- you can goat Trump into insulting you, just by talking about what he's said in the past. So you don't have to go very far. But indeed what I've -- what I've suggested for Hillary Clinton to do is to actually try to make her answers shorter. Her one and worst debating technique is she talks overtime. She talks over the moderator. She talks over the buzzer. She talks over everything. So if she could just simply make her answers shorter and more succinct and, frankly, even give more time for Donald Trump to talk. I think less time talking is a good thing for her if she can make her answers shortly, and then move the microphone over to him, and let him see what he can say.
COSTELLO: But here's the thing, Jackie, don't we live in a sound bite kind of a world where we want little short, clever quips, right, and Donald Trump is very adept at that. Hillary Clinton is not. So should the takeaway from this debate, in the end, be who has the best short quip?
KUCINICH: I mean I guess if you're putting together a reel later. But I -- you know, I really do think -- Hillary Clinton has the -- it has been so built up to -- she has these kind of impossible standards that she's going to have to meet that night. So in terms -- I mean, you're absolutely right, she shouldn't be talking too much, talking -- being completely wonky, but it is also important to her -- for her to get her message out. Because imagine if this debate is just these two people bickering the entire night. I mean maybe Gary Johnson and Jill Stein's numbers will go up as a result because -- and this is the first time a lot of people are tuning in, and they want to hear what these people think and not what they think each other. So we'll see if they actually are able to do that over the course of the 90 minutes.
COSTELLO: I hope you're right, Jackie, I hope so, because policy is important. And I do believe voters want to hear how these two candidates are going to fix what's wrong with the country, because isn't that what it's really about? Well, we'll see what it -- we'll see on Monday, right?
Jackie Kucinich, Todd Graham, thanks to both of you.
GRAHAM: :Thank you.
COSTELLO: Still to come in the NEWSROOM, the Congressional Black Caucus urging the attorney general to help stop the killing of African-Americans.
But first, a quick check on the opening bell. The Dow down just about 29 points. And today all eyes are actually on Yahoo! following this massive hack, half a billion accounts and counting hacked. Here's CNN's Samuel Burke.
Hi.
SAMUEL BURKE, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Carol.
Though not that good for Yahoo! users, the stock now down about 2 percent. Of course, this is one of the biggest hacks in history. And now if you're one of Yahoo!'s millions of users, you'll have to go through the following steps. The dreaded changing of the password. The even more aggravating, changing your security question and answers. What's your mom's maiden name? Well, you can't change that, so you'll have to get a new one. And even worse, changing other accounts with the same information, Yahoo! or non-Yahoo! because inevitably you've committed that fatal flaw of using the same user name, password, and, of course, same birth date on so many other websites. So now you'll have to go through all of those steps.
[09:35:31] Carol, have a lot more to cover coming up right here on CNN.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) [09:40:10] COSTELLO: We want the tape. It has become the rallying cry of Charlotte protesters, demanding to see the video of Keith Lamont Scott's fatal shooting at the hands of police. Demonstrations were largely peaceful overnight, with protesters hugging and shaking hands with members of law enforcement. This as Scott's family, who saw the videos yesterday, say it is not clear what exactly Mr. Scott is holding. Police say it's a gun. The family maintains it was a book. The city's police chief has made it clear that he does not plan to release the video, but the mayor just told me just about 40 minutes ago that it is her intention that video will be released, but she wouldn't say when.
African-American lawmakers are fed up with what they call the targeting, profiling, and killing of African-Americans. Nearly 30 members of the Congressional Black Caucus has signed a letter to the attorney general, Loretta Lynch, saying, quote, "it is time for the Department of Justice take aggressive action and put an end to what appears to be the targeting and profiling of African-Americans that result in their death. Officers enjoy the presumption of credibility, whereas victims endure the presumption of guilt. For too long this dynamic has helped to protect law enforcement officers from being brought to justice."
I'm joined now by North Carolina Congressman and chair of the Congressional Black Caucus, G.K. Butterfield.
Welcome, sir.
G.K. BUTTERFIELD (D), NORTH CAROLINA: Thank you. Good morning.
COSTELLO: Good morning.
Congressman, I want to talk about the video, first of all, in Charlotte, North Carolina. You, of course, believe that video should be released. What do you think that people will take from it?
BUTTERFIELD: Well, there's no issue that's more important to the Congressional Black Caucus than exposing police misconduct. It's happening far too often, all across the country. And what we saw in Charlotte is yet but another example. At the very least, the public has a right to know what happened on that fateful night. And releasing the video would be a step in the right direction. The North Carolina legislature, a few months ago, passed a law requiring a court order to release a video. But that court order -- that legislation does not go into effect until October 1st. Right now the authorities in Charlotte have the authority to release the video. It should be done today. Another day will be nothing but a miscarriage of justice to the community.
COSTELLO: Should the Justice Department step in, in Charlotte?
BUTTERFIELD: Yes. I met 30 members of Congress yesterday to the Department of Justice, and after speaking to the press, Congresswoman Maxine Waters and myself went up and spent 30 minutes with Attorney General Loretta Lynch and we explained to her in painful detail the incredible importance of putting the full weight of the Department of Justice behind investigations and indictments and prosecutions of those law enforcement officers who break the law.
There are so many law enforcement officers across the country who put their lives on the line every day and they do great work. But there are some who are bad actors and we need to find those bad actors and we need to weed them out before they do damage to other African- American men and women. Not only African-Americans, but Latino Americans are also being victimized by police misconduct.
COSTELLO: Your fellow congressman on the Republican side, Robert Pettinger, addressed the protests last night. He was on an interview on the BBC. He said something quite controversial. I'd like you to listen to it and then comment on the other side. Here it is.
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REP. ROBERT PETTENGER (R), NORTH CAROLINA: Well, the grievance in their mind is the animus, the anger, they hate white people, because white people are successful and they're not. I mean, yes, it is, it is a welfare state. We have -- we have spent trillions of dollars on welfare, but we have put people in bondage so that they can't be all that they're capable of being.
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COSTELLO: Now, the congressman later apologized. I'm going to play that in just a minute. But I just want to -- I just want you, Congressman Butterfield, to comment on those -- do the protesters hate white people?
BUTTERFIELD: Those comments were absolutely disgusting. I told Congressman Pettinger that to his face last night on the House floor, along with Congresswoman Alma Adams, and he apologized, profusely, for saying those words. But the words still stand because I believe it spoke from -- from his heart. It is representative of what so many other people think. The anger that they have for African-Americans. And that's what Black Lives Matter movement is trying to address. Whites need to understand that African-Americans have been victimized and it's not because they're poor. It's because they're black. African-Americans have felt the brunt of racism for the last 150 years. And until we have that transparent and candid conversation in this country, we're going to continue to have racial tensions. And for a lawmaker to make such an irresponsible statement, even though he says he regrets it, simply stokes the flames of distrust between our communities. He has apologized.
COSTELLO: But clearly there are people who agree with Congressman Pettinger, right? There is that sentiment out there?
[09:45:03] BUTTERFIELD: Well, shame on them. America has spent a lot of money with a social safety net supporting black, white, and brown poor people in this country. There are many middle class African- Americans in this country who are doing well and so you cannot put all African-Americans in a bucket. What we need to do is to continue to provide a social safety net so African-Americans can get jobs and enjoy the American dream. But to make such a callous and reckless statement is irresponsible for a lawmaker. He apologized, but he has a lot to do to redeem himself on these comments.
COSTELLO: What can he do, in your mind, to redeem himself?
BUTTERFIELD: Well, he can vote with us on a lot of issues, restoring the Voting Rights Act, targeting fundings into low-income communities. We call it 10/20/30. He can vote with us to help strength HBCUs, historically black colleges and universities across the country. He can work with us on funding programs that will help single moms and allow poor children to get a good education, just as more affluent children do. There are so many issues that he could work with us on, but he carries the Republican banner, and right now, after the election, we're going to recalibrate and hopefully fair-minded Republicans will join with Democrats, fair-minded Democrats, and we can forge together with a new agenda in this country that includes racial healing.
COSTELLO: Congressman G.K. Butterfield, thanks for being with me this morning.
Still to come in the NEWSROOM, Chicago mayor tackling the strained relations between police and the public. Will his plan work?
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[09:51:18] COSTELLO: Chicago's mayor says respect between police and the public in his city is a two-way street. Rahm Emanuel vowing changes to deal with the city's gun violence epidemic, in a speech considered the most important since he took office. Emanuel also addressing the police treatment of the rapper Rhymefest. Rhymefest has said he was treated disgustingly when he tried to report a robbery to officers last month.
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MAYOR RAHM EMANUEL (D), CHICAGO: There can be no pass for an officer to be dismissing a resident who was recently robbed who turned to them for help. And if we're going to be what we need to be, that is not allowed and that can't be accepted as a norm or acceptable. We have to set a new standard.
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COSTELLO: Shay Rhymefest Smith joins me now live.
Welcome back. I'm glad you're here.
CHE "RHYMEFEST" SMITH, GRAMMY AND OSCAR-WINNING HIP HOP ARTIST: Thank you, Carol. Glad to be here.
COSTELLO: Glad you're here.
So, were you surprised you're -- you were mentioned in the mayor's big speech last night?
SMITH: Well, you know, I'm not surprised -- I'm never surprised when politicians, you know, use people to tell stories to introduce new policy. But what I would like to see is not so much be put on enforcement, I mean Rahm concentrated last night a lot on enforcement and not as much as we talked about before, in investment.
Now, he talked -- he did talk about investment in communities and you can tell from some of his rhetoric that he's listening to organizers, he's listening to people who have forced him to the table to consider a community view. However, when you listen to Rahm's speech, there's going to be billions of dollars in new officers, more pensions that are paid to officers. He talked about, you know, mandatory minimums. The same things that has Hillary Clinton in hot water when it comes to the black vote, Rahm was reemphasizing in his speech last night. And so what we would like to see is a little more investment and, you know, a little more inclusiveness when we talk about police.
So one of the things that Mayor Emanuel did, and I think a lot of politicians do this around the country, they say police and community, you have to learn how to get along. Well, in my judgment, police are community. And I think we have to use language that shows that police are our uncles, our fathers, our neighbors, our friends. And when we demystify and kind of de-robo-cop the police officers and make them part of a community, I think we can all get along better. And I would love to hear our mayor use language that is more inclusive and less separating.
COSTELLO: Interesting. Well, the mayor also -- he pointed -- he said absentee fathers are in part to blame for Chicago's gang problem. And I want to ask you about that. He also wants some 7,000 mentors, you know, in place of those absentee fathers, to go into middle and high schools and mentor young men. Good ideas?
SMITH: Well, I think that it is a misnomer because Rahm may need to come into the black community and spend a little more time. The best mentorship program is a father with a job. If you have a father that has training and a father with a job, which, you know, since the mayor has taken office, we have lost $2 billion out of our Chicago Public School system. I understand investing in police, but can we hire more teachers? Can we hire more service sector, you know, employees?
Chicago is a very high, heavily taxed city with low employment numbers. So when you have people that are overtaxed and underemployed, you have broken families. So it's easy to blame the broken family, but can we fix the system that can repair our families? I don't think Rahm -- I don't think our mayor should be talking about social issues. I think our mayor should be invested in policy that invests in families and in communities.
[09:55:21] COSTELLO: OK. So let's talk about the presidential election because Chicago is sure to play into the debate on Monday.
SMITH: Yes. Yes.
COSTELLO: So Donald Trump says he does want to get jobs for unemployed African-Americans. He also says stop and frisk is good for Chicago because it has lowered the crime rate in the past. What do you say?
SMITH: Well, something that's unconstitutional in New York is probably unconstitutional in Chicago and unconstitutional in the rest of the United States of America. I think that Donald Trump needs his pocket Constitution so that he can read it and see what's allowed, what's legal and what's not. And we don't want things, again, that separate communities.
Chicago is one of the most segregated cities, if not the most segregated city in our country. I don't think that having something that appears to be an occupying force stopping and frisking people, profiling people, is the answer to our problems. After the Laquan McDonald (ph) shooting, we see that just kind of this random enforcement, this random violence, it just doesn't work. Chicago is now working, and this is where I do give credit to Mayor Emanuel, the Chicago police force is working on de-escalation programs. Stop and frisk escalates tensions.
COSTELLO: I wish I could go on because you're so interesting, but I have to leave it there. Rhymefest, thanks for joining me again this morning. I do appreciate it.
I'll be right back.
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COSTELLO: The Jacoby Brissett era in New England starting off with a bangs. Coy Wire is live in East Lancing, Michigan, home of the Michigan State Spartans, although I'm more of an Ohio girl.
But, hi, Coy. How are you?
[09:59:54] COY WIRE, CNN SPORTS: I won't tell the people around here that, Carol. I'm doing great. The Patriots are doing great. Even with a third string quarterback. Apparently you could throw Carol Costello in there and the Patriots will be all right. Jacoby Brissett knows what he's doing. You know who else knows what they're doing? Bill Belichick, the Patriot's head coach. This guy is amazing.
