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Clinton Vows to Make College Public for Some; Two Students, Teacher Shot in South Carolina School; Vincente Fox Says Trump's 35 Percent Import Tax on Mexico Would Cost Millions of U.S. Jobs. Aired 3:30-4p ET

Aired September 28, 2016 - 15:30   ET

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[15:30:00] HILLARY CLINTON, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm also very grateful that a number of Republicans and independents here in New Hampshire have announced their support for this campaign.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

In fact, an extraordinary honor that 150 Republicans in New Hampshire are supporting me because they understand how important the stakes are. The next 40 days will determine the next 40 years. So I'm going to close my campaign the way I started my public service and my career, fighting for kids and families.

That's been the cause of my life and it will be the mission of my presidency and when you go to vote in November or if you vote early it's not just my name on the ballot. Every issue your care about. Think about it.

Because in effect it's on the ballot, too. It's whether or not we continue to a fight climate change or we give in to denial. This is a big deal. I never thought when I gave my acceptance speech at the Democratic national convention that I would have to put in the following sentence. I believe in science.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

And climate change is real, it's serious and we have to be united and committed in addressing it. I never thought I'd hear someone running for president, my opponent, who says he wants to appoint supreme court justices who would overturn marriage equality.

And turn the block back on LGBT Americans. Overturn a woman's right to make her own health care decisions and reverse that fundamental right. And so much more. So there's a lot at stake and that's why some of the analysts are saying more Americans will vote in this election than ever before. We had more people watching that debate than any presidential debate before.

And that's why we have to focus on what we want to do because I want to make a difference in your lives, and one of the biggest issues that I heard about throughout the campaign, that I hear about from every corner of our country is how much an education costs. Bernie is right. I remember when I went to college, my dad who was a small businessman,

he saved up money, but I had to work, I had to work through college, work during the school year, work during summers but that was OK. We were able to put it together, it wasn't so much that it endangered me or my family's financial future. And then I decided to go to law school and my dad said "I can't help you. We're done, we can't help you."

So I kept working, I got a small scholarship but then I took out loans and I paid those loans back but I was lucky because I signed up for a program that gave me the opportunity to pay my loans back as a percentage of my income, not a fixed interest rate.

That's why I could go to work for the Children's Defense Fund. I think I made $14,000 a year as I recall. I could never have done that if I had had the kinds of interest rates that so many young people now are facing. It's absolutely wrong and it has undermined the fundamental right to pursue your dreams, to have that education, to get those opportunities that you so rightly deserve.

Now, New Hampshire has the highest proportion of students with debt in the country. And the second-highest average debt per student.

[15:35:00] A student out here in New Hampshire that said going to college should be hard but paying for college shouldn't be so hard that it prevents you from getting your education. Indeed, here in New Hampshire we've got so many young people graduating with debt who aren't able to get started in their careers, aren't able to do the jobs like I could do because they have to get a job that pays as much as possible to begin paying their debt down.

So we should and we will make public colleges tuition free for families earning less than $125,000 a year.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

And if you already have student debt -- like so many students have here in New Hampshire, we will help you refinance it. It is absolutely outrageous that you cannot refinance student debt and it is even worse that you're being charged interest rates that are so much higher than anything that anybody else paying to buy a house, to buy a car, to borrow money for a business.

I don't know how we got to where we are but we are going to fix it. This is wrong. It's wrong for students, it's wrong for families and it's I also have met a lot of young people who want to start a business. They want to be entrepreneurs. It's the classic American story. Start that business in the garage or the basement, get going.

But they can't get credit because they have student debt. Nobody will help them out no matter how great the idea is. So we're going to put a moratorium so you don't have to pay your student debt back for a couple of years while you try to get your business started, and you get the chance to get the credit you need.

We're also going to provide loan forgiveness for people willing to go in to public service or national service. And in Florida on Friday I'll give a speech about why that's so important. Now when you add it up, our plan will help millions of people save thousands of dollars.

Our campaign has built a tool to see how our college plan will help you, not in general, but really specifically. You, the situation there you're in. To get it out go to HillaryClinton.com/calculator. Now, we have an example right here and this presentation is what you can see when you go to our web site.

You can say I have student debt, you can say I'm planning for college, you can put in what your annual household income, is how much you will save and we are trying to make it a specific as possible, because I don't want anybody to miss out on what this plan can do for you. You can choose whether you have student debt.

Young woman just yesterday in North Carolina who said "Nobody really explained to me and my family what I was getting into." I hear that so much you know, these financial aid forms once called FAFSA, it takes forever to fill out and at the end of it you don't know what it means. Well, we're going to be really explicit.

You know, we do have technology in America and we ought to use it more to help people understand what they're getting into and provide alternatives so they don't make the wrong de please, use this, you know? You will save $60,640 if you're in one of these categories but there is a way to understand the choices you have to make for everybody so I hope you will, go to Hillary Clinton.com/calculator.

[15:40:00] But I have to say this. None of this will happen if you don't turn out and vote. None of it. Clapp clap. I see all the signs saying "I will vote." There's also a web site, please go to iwillvote.com to make sure, you're registered. All the information is there, you put in your name, you put in your address, and through the miracle of technology you can find out if you're registered or maybe because you moved you were purged from the records and you register again. New Hampshire makes it easy. You can have same-day registration.

There you have it, Hillary Clinton speaking alongside Bernie Sanders at the University of New Hampshire. One clear message, millennials I need your vote. That was very evident from what she said the. Bernie Sanders that this is imperative that you vote for Hillary Clinton as our next president, talk about college affordability and a lot far is important to young voters.

POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: Let's talk to some of them because even though young voters historically favor Democrats as president, Hillary Clinton has a long way to go to lock in millennial voters. Who better to talk about this than millennials themselves. Jamal Hudson is with us, and Mike Robles. Jamal supports Clinton, Mike supports Trump. Also with us their professor who's just over the millennial border, right? Just over. The professor is Philip Dalton, head of the rhetoric department. Thank you for sitting through that. You've been waiting a while. Let's talk about your reaction to Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. Jamal, you were a Sanders supporter, switched to Clinton. Is he making the case to enough people? JAMAL HUDSON, STUDENT HOFSTRA UNIVERSITY: I think so. I started off

as a Bernie Sanders supporter but after looking at Hillary Clinton's resume, her track record of fighting for social justice for young people I'm with her because she's been with me so I'm excited to vote for her in November.

HARLOW: Interesting for you, Mike, you were a Sanders supporter, and now you're a Trump supporter. There is a lot of young voters that were Sanders supporters and now they have moved to a third party candidate to Gary Johnson or Jill Stein. They're making the case here they are saying you can't do that or we're losing this election. How much is that helping do you think Donald Trump?

MIKE ROBLES, STUDENT, HOFSTRA UNIVERSITY: I wouldn't want to go to the third party. I want to give Donald Trump the satisfaction of having a party -- both parties can be represented. I think going to a third party would take away from both candidates. Hillary Clinton shouldn't be losing votes to a third party and Donald Trump shouldn't be losing votes to a third party. I think more millennials need to realize it's OK to vote for Donald Trump. It's OK to voice that you're -- you stand with Donald Trump. It's not wrong to support him.

HARLOW: I think it also speaks to the high unfavorables that both of these candidates have that the third parties are getting young voter support. Professor, walk us through experiment real time, you guys and others were watching the debate. What was the thought process behind the experiment?

PHILIP DALTON, PROFESSOR, HOFSTRA UNIVERSITY: We were interested in how African Americans and Caucasians would respond to the candidates in the debate. It's an interesting election because Trump polls so poorly with African Americans so we thought going into it that it would offer us an opportunity to see where these two populations contrast with each other.

HARLOW: One of the key findings here is when the candidates talked about race. Walk me through how the black students reacted versus the white students.

DALTON: Once matters of policing came up and implicit bias and violence came up, we saw whites and Caucasians go in the same direction but the African

American response was much more pronounced so when Hillary Clinton would speak -- and by the way she got highest scores in the study, all the peaks were Hillary Clinton's scores -- she -- the scores for whites would go up. The African American scores would go up much more markedly.

HARLOW: Jamal, what do you make of that?

HUDSON: It shows Donald Trump's rhetoric has not gone unnoticed. His track record of playing coy with white supremacists --

HARLOW: But the fact that black voters responded even more when race came up versus white voters? HUDSON: It shows that's a strong component of this election. It's

important that both candidates are addressing racial issues and what we can do to make a healthy relationship between African Americans, police officers and the American public in general.

HARLOW: Mike, one interesting take is that when foreign policy came up you guys as a whole group were not interested. Totally disinterested. Why?

ROBLES: I think they lost us when it started getting dry. I think what some people look for the debate -- when they hit with the zingers and one liners it's hysterical. And when it got very serious people started realizing like "where's the funny stuff?"

HARLOW: This is the presidential debate.

ROBLES: I know, it's crazy but they were turned off by it. They were watching TV --

HARLOW: They were there for prime time television

ROBLES: And they weren't getting the prime time they wanted, they turned off to it.

HARLOW: We appreciate IT, I'm sorry I have to cut it short. There's a great piece about this in the "Washington Post".

We have more breaking news from capitol hill. The senate has cleared a bill to fund the government along with a handful of other key needs.

[15:45:00] The measure on its way to the house that means, folks, drum roll, no government shutdown. Let's get to Manu Raju on capitol hill. We should haven't to applaud when we fund the government, Manu.

MANU RAJU, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER: Remember that 2013 shutdown that lasted over two weeks. There's some drama but at the end of the day there was expectation there would be a deal cut and they did reach a deal. This would keep the government afloat until December 9 but attached to that are a bunch of provisions that are significant, including $1.1 billion to fund efforts to combat the Zika virus.

That package deal with Zika funding had been fought over by the two sides for months stalling in the senate over a range of issues. That has passed. In addition to that money to deal with the opioid epidemic happening here in this country as well as $500 million for Louisiana flood aid. What led to this package passing was a side deal cut between Democrats and Republicans to move separately an aid package to help Flint Michigan with its tainted water supply so watch for that also to pass congress and become law sometime later this year, Poppy.

HARLOW: Manu, thanks for the update. We appreciate it.

Up next, back to our breaking news. New details in the shooting at an elementary school in Townville, South Carolina. It's in Anderson county, two students and a teacher are wounded by gunfire. The suspect has been taken down. Now in custody. Much more straight ahead.

[15:50:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HARLOW: The Wall. Two words you have heard a lot in this election season. But words that were really surprisingly not uttered by Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump as they went head to head for the first time during Monday's debate. The wall has been a staple of Trump's campaign that not only will he build a border wall with Mexico if elected but that he'll force Mexico to pay for it. With each mention of the wall a fierce rivalry has intensified. Watch.

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DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We will build a great wall along the southern border. And Mexico will pay for the wall.

VICENTE FOX, FORMER PRESIDENT, MEXICO: I declare, I am not going to pay for that wall. He should pay for it. He has got the money. If I offended you, I am sorry. But what about the other way around?

TRUMP: Vincente Fox was on television last night and apologized and I accepted his apology. I thought it was very nice. Did you see it? Honestly? I thought it was very, very nice.

FOX: I invited him to come and -- on his knees to apologize to all Mexicans here and Mexicans in the United States.

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HARLOW: Vincente Fox joins me now. Former Mexican president and author of "Revolution of Hope". All right, so you are still waiting for that apology I tweeted about from the Trump campaign. Is that for real?

FOX: That is real and correct. It is incredible. It's incredible that he is asking me to support his campaign when I am totally against his ideas, his proposals, totally against the wall. Wall doesn't serve a purpose. We already have a wall there in the border, and it doesn't serve a purpose.

What we need is to work out our partnership. What we need is to work together for a very successful North America including Canada, United States and Mexico. That's the kind of partnership we have. I am part of America. My grandfather was born in Cincinnati, Ohio, and he came as a migrant down to Mexico back in 1895.

He crossed deserts, mountains, looking for his American dream. And he found it here in Mexico. So my relation is a both-ways. It's worked to our advantage. Of course, we need order in that border. We need to deal with the cross of goods and services and containers and products with the flow of one million across the border every day. So there are very more wise solutions that we can work together.

HARLOW: Let me get your reaction to the debate on Monday night. I am assuming that you watched it in its entirety. And what stood out to our team as we were talking this morning is that the wall wasn't mentioned once. Why do you think that is?

FOX: Well, I don't really know, what I saw, it was really a great impression in the outside world. Remember, you people from United States, and I consider myself part of that, but when you elect a president of the United States you're electing the leader of the world. So the leader has to be compassionate. Has to be like Hillary Clinton.

That's the way we can build this world together. There is much at stake. There is a lot of violence. There's a lot of problems. But believe me, Mexico is a great friend and partner and neighbor for the United States. We work together with you to build North America, to be competitive. Remember when Ford Motor Company, Chrysler, GM were going broke in United States. And government, with your taxes, had to come and rescue and invest billions of dollars.

Healthy, competitive corporations, working out of Canada, working out of United States, working out of Mexico. That's the deal we have put together. It a partnership that makes us competitive and gives us the opportunity to compete with the rest of the world. United States cannot do it by itself.

We need to work together to meet the challenge of the east, no doubt the Chinese economy is growing very fast.

[15:55:00] It's second largest economy in the world. It's going to be the number one pretty soon. So we need to be a strong North America.

HARLOW: President Fox, one of the concerns that a number of American voters and workers, especially those manufacturing workers that I have spoken with on the road, have said they feel like they're losing their jobs to Mexico. To be clear, the plant that Ford is opening in Mexico does not mean that a single job is being lost in the United States, but they are employing more people in Mexico.

They are keeping all of those current jobs, though, in Michigan there. My question is the labor costs less when it comes to auto making. Do you understand the voters who are really on board with Donald Trump because he is speaking to that concern?

FOX: Yes. I am very aware. United States has lost 30 percent of its manufacturing jobs in the last ten years. Same in Mexico. Mexico is losing manufacturing jobs to China, to Central America and other regions of the world. So what we have to be, both United States and Mexico, be competitive. And that's the case.

Now, United States is very fortunate because all those jobs, manufacturing automobile jobs, have been replaced by high-technology jobs. That has grown 95 percent of the creation of jobs in the last ten years. So they have been replaced. Those who lost their job there, there are opportunities to working in different areas.

HARLOW: President Fox, let me jump in here because I have spent a lot of time speaking with these workers. A lot of them don't have the necessary training and higher skills for the higher jobs. That's the problem. Donald Trump has said, if he is president, he's going to scrap NAFTA, which he has the authority to do as president and slap a 35 percent tariff on goods coming from Mexico to the United States.

If he did that and if you were president, which I know you're not anymore, what would your retaliation to him and America be if he were to slap a 35 percent tariff?

FOX: It's a loss, loss, loss proposal. Because what Trump has to tell people is the whole truth, because he is lying in a way. The products that Mexico is exporting to United States, 40 percent is U.S. contents. Number two, the profits that corporations are doing in Mexico are brought back to United States in the jobs.

Please, U.S. citizens who have lost your jobs, if NAFTA is canceled you'll be losing 10 million jobs, which is by the purchases and imports that Mexico makes from United States, creates ten million jobs in United States for U.S. citizens. So every action has a reaction.

Now, he claims that U.S. products coming into Mexico are taxed. Yes, they have a sales tax. Exactly the same thing that happens with Mexican exports to United States. They are sales taxed in United States. So there is no tax, as he is saying, lying. So the thing is, that is lose, lose, everybody loses on a proposal like that.

HARLOW: Former president Vicente Fox of Mexico. I wish we had more time. But I do appreciate you talking to us. Thank you very much.

FOX: Thank you. A pleasure. Thank you and good luck, Hillary. We need you!

HARLOW: Vicente Fox, we appreciate it. That will do it for me, I'm Poppy Harlow.