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Donald Trump Will Take the Stage in Manheim, Pennsylvania; Hillary Clinton's Comments at a Fundraiser; Well Fargo Is In Threat Of Break Up. Aired 7-8p ET
Aired October 01, 2016 - 19:00 ET
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[19:00:13] POPPY HARLOW, CNN HOST: Top of the hour. 7:00 p.m. eastern. I'm Poppy Harlow in New York. So glad you are with us.
At any moment Donald Trump will take the stage in Manheim, Pennsylvania. You see the folk introducing him speaking live. CNN has confirmed that Trump will unleash a new and different attack on his rival Hillary Clinton tonight. This time over Clinton's comments about millennial's and the citizens (ph) that some of the voters feel toward the government.
A conservative website called the "Washington Free Beacon" released audio that it says is of Clinton speaking to supporters at a private fund-raiser back in February. They say they obtained the reporting from quote "hackers who breached the email account of a campaign staffer." It's important to note this reporting took place in February when Clinton was still competing against senator Bernie Sanders for the young voters. Take a listen.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Some are new to politics completely. They are children of the great recession. And they are living in their parent's basement. They feel that they got their education and the jobs that are available to them are not at all what they envisioned for themselves. And they don't see much of future. I think we all should be really understanding of that. And we should try to do the best we can not to be, you know, a wet blanket on idealism. We want people to idealistic. You want them to be set big goals but to take what we can achieve now and try to present them as bigger goals.
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HARLOW: Our team of reporters are standing by. We have got political producer Dan Merica with us. Political reporter Jeremy Diamond with us covering the Trump rally in Pennsylvania. "Washington Post" columnist Josh Rogin joins us. Republican political commentator Paris Dennard. Also with us tonight, a Donald Trump supporter and Democratic strategist Nomiki Konst, a former Bernie Sanders surrogate.
Thank you guys for being here. I'm just looking at the screen to my side as we are waiting for Donald Trump to come out. We will bring him to you as soon as he does.
Dan, how is the Clinton camp responding to this leaked audio from this February fundraiser?
DAN MERICA, CNN POLITICAL PRODUCER: Hi, Poppy. Yes. I think it is fair to say they are taking it seriously because of the way they're struggling with millennial voters. They are not questioning veracity of what she says.
HARLOW: Right.
MERICA: And the fact that it is real. But they are also noting that, you know, she said some of this before. She has said some of these things during the primary in interviews and speeches saying that, you know, she basically made it harder for stamp speech, the fact that she is a progressive who likes to get things done. Questioning whether Bernie Sanders and his supporters could actually accomplish all the things they wanted to accomplish.
I don't think it's important to note that, you know, these politicians know that anything they say is basically On the Record. You know, after Mitt Romney kind of stumbled with his 47 percent comment at a fund-raiser in 2012, you know, everything they say could be and may be recorded as we are learning now. So, you know, secretary Clinton is a careful person. She is a worrier. So she is, you know, at these fundraisers she certainly knows that she is being recorded and this could get out. And it has happened before. But the Clinton campaign is taking it seriously, especially because of how they're struggling with millennial voters.
HARLOW: Right. And, I mean, Jeremy, the Trump campaign is capitalizing on it. I mean, they released part of what he is going to say tonight. And he is clearly tying these comments of hers to what she said at another fundraiser a few weeks ago about full baskets of deplorable.
JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN POLITICS REPORTER: Yes, that is exactly right, Poppy. We are here at the Trump rally where we are expecting Donald Trump to really lean hard into this latest audio recording from Hillary Clinton. We perceived some prepared remarks that we expect Donald Trump to deliver here today. He is going to say that Hillary Clinton is quote "demeaning and mocking Bernie Sanders supports." You brought to say that quote "described many of them as ignorant, that they want the United States to be more like Scandinavia." But that quote "more than half the people don't know what that means." That is quote, of course, from the recording of Hillary Clinton speaking about that.
So clearly Donald Trump and his campaign thinking that they can take the issue, tie it to Hillary Clinton's basket of deplorable comment about Trump supporters. So once again paint Hillary Clinton essentially as an elitist, as somebody who is not in touch with the American people and who is essentially looks down on them.
The Clinton campaign and Bernie Sanders are saying those are pushing back on the characterization. That they are saying there is really nothing here. That Hillary Clinton was not speaking in a demeaning fashion about these Bernie Sanders supports. But certainly Donald Trump is going to make exactly that argument tonight.
HARLOW: Yes. And you have to listen to the totality of the remarks. We played you a 40 second chunk that is telling. It is just the bold point this both camps out here, but the totality of a painted clearer picture.
Josh, when you look at this audio the way Trump is painting it in the prepared remarks. He is going to say if you're not a diehard Clinton supporter from day one, Hillary Clinton thinks you are a defective human being. Josh, how damning could be this audio be for her in terms of getting young voters? Because she does say just a few sentences later she says we cannot put a wet blanket on idealism. We want people to be idealistic. So she qualifies them.
[19:05:24] JOSH ROGIN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Right. I think this is definitely unforced error. It comes at an unfortunate time when the Trump campaign was really in free fall all week over Trump's latest scandal. So there is no doubt that it's not good for Hillary Clinton.
The problem here is that, you know, Hillary Clinton's outreach to Bernie supporters is not going as well as she wanted to. They have an increased infrastructure. They have increased outreach. It's not working. We see millennial voters fleeing to people like Gary Johnson, people Jill Stein, and this is going have to be a key part of her voting base if she wants to win in November.
Now, at the same time, there's just no doubt that as these things come out the public gets desensitized to them. This is a season where we have a lot of leaks, OK. And those leaks are orchestrated and people are tuned into that. So we couldn't overemphasize the impact of these comment with have on people who are pretty familiar with who Hillary Clinton is. She is a center left center right candidate. That's what she said in the extended remarks. That's true. People get that.
HARLOW: Nomiki, I mean, you're not only a millennial, you are a former Bernie Sanders surrogate. What is your take on the comments? How damning are they?
NOMIKI KONST, FORMER BERNIE SANDERS SURROGATE: I think that they are making a whole lot of something out of nothing. I mean, nobody who was part of the Bernie support network and all the Bernie people I have spoken to aren't surprised by these comments. Let's not forget, this is after she was defeated, crushed in New Hampshire. This is the middle of primary.
But I don't think it's a Hillary Clinton problem. I think that this is a generational issue. The millennial generation has had constant frustration articulating their problems and their pains, their frustrations with the world we live in. This post-recession world we live in to generations that are older, people who are in power. And that is because we deal with different issues that they dealt with.
And I think the Clinton campaign, you know, continues to le with connecting with them at that level. But it's not a total issue. It's not like all of Bernie's millennials are not supporting Hillary. It's a subset that don't have grand association or loyalty to the Democratic Party, definitely don't have it with Hillary Clinton. And those are the people she needs to target.
But I think, I think one solution for this. It is really simple. I think Hillary Clinton needs to come on stage and go out there and apologize for the primary and say that she has learned from millennials. She has learned about the pains and the frustrations and why they were supporting Bernie Sanders.
And even though it's idealism it was a different in strategy. I think that most Democrats want the same things. It is just there are two different strategies. Bernie Sanders was trying to push us far to the left so we can get to a better place in the middle, a compromise.
HARLOW: But Nomiki, how difficult is it? As a former Sanders surrogate, how difficult for him to effectively hit the trail like he did with her New Hampshire this week and make the case for her, not just the case against Trump, right. Because he needs to motivate people that are planning to sit it out. How effective can he be to motivate those people for her when he argued on -- in the primary she did not have their interest in mind?
KONST: You know it's tough. That's how primaries work. I think what Hillary did have was she said in that leaked comments was that she said a lot of people are new to the process. The largest generation in history. And so many of them are voting for the first time. And we are voting as Democrats for the first time.
So if I were Bernie Sanders going out there, I would say things like listen, this has never happened before. An independent senator from Vermont was able to take up half the party, 46 percent of the delegates at the convention. Half of the platform committee. We changed the platform. That doesn't happen. Usually a convention is full a lot of firm Democrats. And so, there is so much progress, there is so much leverage that Hillary Clinton, as president, will be forced to listen to us. She has to listen to the progressive base. But to waste your vote, that's wasting your power to influence. And put on to the third party candidates who we now know that both of the third party candidates out there are very much not qualified either through experience or through knowledge. That's puts us at risk of a Donald Trump presidency which doesn't get us anything.
HARLOW: Let me get the Trump supporter in here, Paris. When you listen to the entirety of this, and I assume you have. She is not mocking Bernie Sanders, right. I mean, look. There are words in here that are going to come back to haunt her, no question. Trump is going to capitalize on them tonight talking about, you know, these are people living in their parents basements. But, do you think this actively helps your candidate? I mean, how much can he play it up to his advantage to get these millennials on board when the totality of the comments are not just similar to basket of deplorable?
[19:10:17] PARIS DENNARD, REPUBLICAN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, Poppy, I think what I really want to say is this. Will the real secretary Clinton please speak up? And actually she continues to speak up but only in these private fundraisers when the true sentiments of her, how she feels about Republicans who don't -- didn't vote for her or Democrats who didn't vote for her.
And so what I think this does is it just reinforces this clear narrative that secretary Clinton has some type of problem who are not on her team. And so, we saw the rigged system against her with the DNC.
Look, I was at the Democratic National committee with the things, the (INAUDIBLE). I was at the convention. The Bernie Sanders supporters were upset. They were (INAUDIBLE). They tossed out the DNC chair. This is a problem. And it reinforces the narrative there's something she's not connecting with Bernie Sanders supporters and independents and millennial's. So it reinforces that on her side.
The burden is not on millennials. The burden is not on or Mr. Trump. We can just listen to what Secretary Clinton says and can see clearly how she thinks.
HARLOW: Guys, thank you very much. Again, we are waiting to hear from Trump live in Manheim, Pennsylvania. Appreciate our entire panel joining me, Dan, Jeremy, Josh, Paris and Nomiki.
Quick break. We are back in a moment.
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[19:14:41] HARLOW: We are waiting for Donald Trump take the stage at any moment in Manheim, Pennsylvania. And prepared remarks were leaked by his campaign. We know that he will, tonight, unleash a new line of attack on his rival, Hillary Clinton, this time focus on comments she made about millennial supporters of Bernie Sanders. How might could this help Trump, we will see.
It is the Trump campaign's newest strategy, though. Also, to use old Bill Clinton sex scandals in the '90s and turn women against Hillary Clinton. That was what Trump says he will do in a new interview with the "New York Times." That said, it is a questionable move given Trump's own history with the women as well as with the men that he is surrounded himself with during this campaign.
Here is our Kyang Lah.
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[19:15:25] DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I do cherish women. I love women.
KYUNG LAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Trump's critics' question if that is really true. That it's not only Trump who is facing scrutiny. Some of his closest advisors are, as well.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need a fight in the Republican Party for the soul of the conservative --
TRUMP: I agree with you. LAH: Campaign CEO Steve Bannan. In 996, he faced misdemeanor
domestic violence charges. His ex-wife in the Santa Monica, California police report, alleging he grabbed her, an incident that the officer says left red marks on her left risk and the right side of her neck. Those charges were dropped.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a FOX News alert --
LAH: The man behind FOX News Roger Ailes is now an unofficial Trump campaign whisperer although Trump won't officially acknowledge his role. FOX News ousted Ailes after multiple women accused him of sexual harassment, most prominently anchor Gretchen Carlson who received $20 million settlement from FOX.
NEWT GINGRICH (R), FORMER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: You are not supposed to gain 60 pounds during the year that you are Miss Universe.
LAH: That is former speaker of the House Newt Gingrich speaking this week defending Trump's comments about Alicia Machado's weight gain after she won the crown. Gingrich is now a Trump advisor. He and Trump have been married three times. Both accused of infidelity.
In 2012, Gingrich's second wife recalled this about her former husband to ABC News.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was asking to have an open marriage and I refused.
LAH: Then there's Rudy Giuliani, former New York City mayor and Trump (INAUDIBLE). After Monday's debate, Giuliani spoke to reporters bringing up Bill Clinton's affair criticizing not just him but Hillary Clinton.
RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER MAYOR, NEW YORK CITY: He attacked Monica Lewinsky. And if to be married to Bill Clinton for 20 years. If you didn't know the moment Monica Lewinsky said that Bill Clinton violated her and she was telling the truth, then you are too stupid to be president.
LAH: But Giuliani should be able to relate to marital strike. Married three times, he announced a separation to a second wife at a press conference before telling her! His divorce and affair playing out publicly on New York tabloid front pages.
Trump closest advisors are not all male. His campaign manager is a woman, Kellyanne Conway. And another person who has his ears is also a woman, his daughter Ivanka.
Kyung Lah, CNN, Los Angeles.
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HARLOW: Kyung, thank you for that.
We are waiting to hear from Donald Trump live tonight. He is set to speak at any moment in Manheim, Pennsylvania. Stay with us. You are live in the CNN NEWSROOM.
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[19:21:42] HARLOW: The CEO of Wells Fargo had two very rocky appearances on Capitol Hill. Most recently Thursday before a house committee. John Stumpf (ph) was lambasted. Members of the house financial services committee accused the bank's CEO of running a criminal enterprise saying he should be fired, some saying he should go to prison. He got an equally hostile grilling ten days earlier from senators. All of this over revelations his employees used the personal information of real people to create millions of fake accounts to meet their sales goals and to boost profits. As you will Stumpf (ph) could barely get a word in edge wise.
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REP. ANN WAGNER (R), MISSOURI: Your company abused its customers. While you have apologized, that apology carries no weight with me, sir.
REP. MICHAEL CAPUANO (R), MASSACHUSETTS: Who cares? We'll pretend to be sorry and fire some workers and we will get through this. You know where I heard that before? The guys who ran Enron.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Stumpf, I regretfully have a mortgage with your bank. I wish I didn't. If I was in the position to pay it off, I would because you have broken my trust and you have broken the trust of millions of others and it will be a long, long time to earn that trust back.
REP. GEORGE MEEKS (D), NEW YORK: Your bank, you, CEO, chairman basically for me on top of what basically has been a criminal enterprise.
JOHN STUMPF, CEO, WELLS FARGO: There's no question we don't do everything right. We have made mistakes. We are up our game.
MEEKS: Now, you should pay for? Who is accountable for it?
STUMPF: We are going to make it right --
MEEKS: Your VP made $125 million bonus package. Your institution is making over $22 billion. Who is paying for it? Who is taking responsibility for it? Don't tell me you are sorry.
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HARLOW: One congresswoman made the case to break up Wells Fargo. Listen.
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REP. MAXINE WATERS (D), CALIFORNIA: It's really striking me how huge this bank is. I'm also concerned about whether or not as chairman and CEO you can really know what is going on at the bank. I have come to the conclusion that Wells Fargo should be broken up. It's too big to manage. Mr. Chairman, I'm going to be talking with you and the members of this committee who showed their outrage here today are moving forward to break up Wells Fargo bank.
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HARLOW: That congresswoman is on the phone with me now, Democrat Maxine Waters from California. Thank you for joining me, congresswoman.
WATERS (on the phone): You are certainly welcome. Thank you for calling me to talk about Wells Fargo.
HARLOW: You know we heard a lot about break up the banks. Break up the banks. And in the wake of the financial crisis, didn't happen. What would breaking up Wells Fargo accomplish? What is your goal there?
WATERS: Well, when I talk about too big to manage, what I'm talking about is we went through a serious meltdown in 2008, and we came up with reform in the Dodd-Frank act. And one of the things we decided was we really do have to know more about how these banks to organize, what risks are they are involved in. We want to know about their trades. We what to know mortgages. We want to more. So we have something called living wills that may have to organize that present to us so that we can talk about not only how they are organized but how we would break them up if, in fact, they are too risky.
None of the five big banks have absolutely complied with their living wills. They have submitted them but they have not been satisfactory and Wells Fargo is one. So between the living wills and the stress test that we do, I believe that the regulators is really do have enough information about Wells Fargo to engage in what we have given them the authority to do. And if they don't do it, I'm looking at how you put together legislation using some of what we put together in Dodd-Frank to be able to do this.
[19:25:56] HARLOW: So let me get your take on this because several Republican and Democratic lawmakers have alleged that Wells Fargo's sales practices may have actually violated federal law by opening these fake accounts with real people's information. They could have broken federal racketeering laws. If that's the case, that would institute a criminal offense. Do you believe the CEO John Stumpf should be criminally charged?
WATERS: I do. I do think that he is in a very vulnerable situation. The department of justice has started their investigation. Don't forget for every one of the Wells Fargo customers or climates that they created a fraudulent account for, they have to steal their identity. In many cases --
HARLOW: So should he be criminally charged, though?
WATERS: That's a possibility. Let's look at what the justice department comes down with. One of the things that happen traditionally is they find all of the big banks for of all the fraudulent actions they are involved in. And at one point in time, we have the former attorney general to say, well, breaking up the bank would be much too disruptive to the systems that we rely on to provide banking services. So that's why essentially we don't send them to chair. We don't charge them criminally. We do these fines to basically punish them and make them pay for what they are doing. But many of us now are believing that this is just the cost of doing business. We have crime bill for over $10 billion in the last few years and they keep making these kinds of fraudulent moves.
HARLOW: Congresswoman, let me ask you about someone else because John Stumpf, the CEO, is getting all the attention. But there is also another top executive, (INAUDIBLE). The executive who lead the banks division that created those fake accounts. She was just forced out of the bank just a few months before her retirement. But she didn't leave empty handed. She walked away with a -- I mean, she is walking away with millions of dollars, what could be, according to CNN money, a golden parachute of $77 million dollars. The woman who ran the division and created the fake accounts that resulted in 5300 employees being fired. What is your reaction to that?
WATERS: Well, my reaction it was outrageous for her to leave with this golden parachute. It was really close to $125 million. And then we have something in law called fallback that the banks can use when they get caught red handed and they have caught in ways that would cause them to have to put money back. He came with the (INAUDIBLE). Also, that should work him. She would not have done that unless he knew about it.
HARLOW: Will you go against this? Will your committee, you know, target her?
WATERS: Well, what we are doing is talking about who has a responsibility. Who knew what and when? As we do that and as the justice department do that, we will hopefully will be able to identify how it started. For example, did she or some other executive come up with this proposal, present to him and the board? They signed off on it and then she executed it? We need to know. We need to find out how it happened.
HARLOW: Yes. Let's not forget that some of the people who were the whistle blowers and called Wells Fargo's ethic lines to report this, they say to CNN Money they were terminated as a result.
Congresswoman Maxine Waters, thank you for joining me. We will follow this.
We are continuing to watch Manheim, Pennsylvania where Donald Trump is set to speak live at any moment. We will bring it to you as soon as he starts to speak. Quick break. We are back on the other side.
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POPPY HARLOW, HOST: We're waiting for Donald Trump to take the stage in Manheim, Pennsylvania at any moment. In prepared remarks released by his campaign he will unleash a new line of attack on Hillary Clinton this time focused on comments she made about millennial Bernie Sanders supporters. We'll bring you that as soon as it begins.
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HARLOW: Meantime, in this week's American Opportunity, one on one with Melinda Gates. The work that she and her husband have done through the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has produced remarkable results in battling diseases like Malaria and Polio.
Now, Melinda Gates is squarely focused on a mission that is no question, her most personal. Putting women and girls at the center of eradicating poverty here and around the world. She also weighed in on the paid parental leave debate that has made waves in this election.
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HARLOW: When you turned 50 years old a few years ago, you took it as a moment to think what about what do I want to accomplish with the rest of my life. And you landed on women and girls. You are a mother of three, two teenage girls. How personal of a decision was that for you?
MELINDA GATES, It was about how do I want to change the world? How do I want to leave things when I'm gone? And, if you believe, as I do, that women and girls transform societies, I have to do this work. I want to do this work.
And, I think when I first got into global health first of all, we didn't even hardly talk about women. We certainly didn't talk about girls in global health. But, secondly it was kind of also for me like oh, that's the soft issue. And what I've come to learn through doing this work is no, it's the hard core issue. It's the thing we have to solve if you want to increase the GDP around the world, if you want to transform societies.
HARLOW: So why makes the case, right? Because I was stunned to learn that there are more women living in poverty than men around the world. And by the way, that's true in the United States.
GATES: Yes. And, so that's why we actually say poverty is sexist. There are absolutely more women in vulnerable situations. Here's a perfect example. If a woman is educated, her child is twice as likely to make it to his or her fifth birthday.
HARLOW: To live?
GATES: To live.
HARLOW: Why is it more women are trapped in poverty even in the United States than men?
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GATES: Well, in the United States it has to do with a lot of single mother hood. There are many women who are single-headed households and struggling to make ends meet. We probably need to have some different policy decisions that focus on women to do the right thing. We have actually have a poverty commission that's up and running now with the urban institute. And the whole idea is to create a public good where we can look at poverty mobility.
HARLOW: You travel the world, obviously, with the work that you do especially in the developing world. One thing that stuck with me is that you said you have to let your heartbreak to really affect change. You have to let your heartbreak. When has your heart broken?
GATES: So many times. I guess one of the most recent ones as a reminder is, you know, I had a woman in India who asked me to take her child home with me. And, she didn't know who I was. She just knew I was from the U.S. But, she was literally begging me to take her child home. And, then she said to me, well, if you can't take this one, take that one. She didn't even know me. And, I thought for a mom to do that, right, it tells you how desperate it is that she would give up a child. And, that's heartbreaking.
HARLOW: So what has this journey over the past few years been like for you as a mother? Not as the Melinda Gates that the world knows. But as a mother in your household. What have your girls said to you about it?
GATES: Well, it's interesting. My oldest daughter who's now 20. I think when I was younger she didn't understand why I worked. Because she said but you don't have to, mom. And I said, yes, but there are things I believe in and there are things that I want to step out and use my voice in and make sure the foundation does. And, it's really interesting as she's older she says I completely get it now. I get why you work. And, she says I want to be a working mom. One day. Absolutely a mom and a working mom.
HARLOW: So, to that point, one of the biggest issues that society and the world is trying to tackle when it comes to true -- frankly true equality for women is the unpaid work we do as women. The so-called as economists say the second shift or time poverty. Coming home from our jobs and having way more work at home than men do. What is the gap?
GATES: So, worldwide, if you look at the gap, it's different in different countries. But, in the United States it's 90 minutes a day more that women do of unpaid work. So we need to make it more OK for men to actually take time off. We also know that dad is more likely to be involved long-term if he's taken some time off at the beginning. So, we have to make it OK for men and women to take that time off.
When bill was still working at Microsoft as CEO, and our oldest daughter now, but she was only four then was going preschool I was driving her at first, and then he started to drive her some. And, all of a sudden there was this kind of a scuttle butt in the classroom amongst the moms. And I said, well, what's going on, and they said we're all going home and telling our husbands if Bill Gates, the CEO, can drive his kids so can you. And, so we were role modeling for other families. And sure enough, more dads started showing up at school. And, it was great.
HARLOW: You said it's not enough to reduce because if you just reduce then they'll figure out other work will come up. And, if you don't distribute that you're always going to be stuck with more as the woman.
GATES: Exactly. Exactly. So you've got to do all three. You've got to recognize, you've got to reduce, and you've got to redistribute. And I've actually seen some very courageous families just like our own, or your own, have those conversations even in Africa with a woman who will stand up and say you know, it's not OK, that I'm the only one doing this particular part of the work.
HARLOW: Have you ever had that conversation with Bill?
GATES: Absolutely! The conversation about, you know, who is going to do what. When he left Microsoft to start working at the Foundation, it freed me up to travel more. But, it meant that if I was traveling, I wanted somebody home for dinner more, right. So we constantly, literally every week we would look at our calendar and we would look two weeks ahead to see who is home for dinner. Either both of us or which one of us. And I've asked him to give up meetings to be at home at night, to be home with dinner for the kids and I think that's really important.
HARLOW: Paid leave. We are at a moment in this country where we've never been before. Both the democrats and the republican running for president both want governor-paid leave. For Hillary Clinton it's family leave, it's paternity/ maternity. For Donald Trump it's just maternity. How big of a step is though that we're even having this conversation?
GATES: Well, it's a necessary step. To me it's a step we should have taken 20 years ago. But I'm so glad in this particular time we're finally saying to ourselves OK, it's not whether we should have it it's going to be how should we have it? And so should it be family leave? What form should it be in? How are we going to cover it, how are we going to pay for it? There are great policies around the world, many other countries have already instituted this.
HARLOW: ... oh, we're way behind.
GATES: We are so far behind. So I'm just glad that it's finally -- we're going to do it, and then it will become after the election, how do we do it.
HARLOW: OK, so what do these policies need to be when they take shape whoever the next president is?
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GATES: They need to be family leave. So that you don't gender it so it just becomes OK, women take it and it's almost a penalty that they've had a child and they go take it and they don't come back to the work force in the same way.
So, some of the things we need to do is make sure that it's for both parents. That it's several months, it's paid, and that we also incent the men to take it. It needs to become OK for men to take it. And that means men actually taking it and showing that they've taken it.
So, Mark Zuckerberg taking two months off at the time his daughter was born was a fantastic thing. It was great role modeling.
HARLOW: It's also Silicon Valley where that is frankly much more widely accepted than Wall Street, for example. Do we need to see the heads of the big Wall Street banks doing the same thing?
GATES: Yes, I think we absolutely do. We know that if people go and take leave they're happier and they stay at their company longer. So they're less likely to switch industries. So I think if you know that it's good for your bottom line and that you'll have an employee who's going to be there long-term that you spent all this money training and getting them to be great in your job. Then yes, it helps the bottom line.
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HARLOW: My thanks to Melinda Gates. You can see much more of our interview with her at CNNmoney.com/americanopportunity.
And we are continuing to wait for Donald Trump to speak live in Manheim, Pennsylvania tonight. We'll bring you that as soon as it begins. Stay with us.
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HARLOW: We are waiting for Donald Trump to take the stage in Manheim, Pennsylvania, he could speak at any moment. In prepared remarks just released from the Trump campaign we've learned that he will unleash a new line of attack on Hillary Clinton. This one focused on comments she made about millennials Bernie Sanders' supporters. We'll bring that you as soon as it begins.
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HARLOW: Meantime, let's have a little fun. It has been much talked about, much anticipated. Tonight Saturday Night Live is said to kick off its new season by unveiling Alec Baldwin as the new Donald Trump. Our CNN Media Correspondent and host of Reliable Sources, Brian Stelter, looks at what impact the comedy show has on the race for the White House.
BRIAN STELTER, CNN MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Poppy. I've been looking forward to this day for a while. The SNL season premier is finally here. It was actually delayed until after the first debate this year because the writers knew they'd want to reconstruct the entire Clinton/Trump face-off.
Now that debate was the most watched debate in American T.V. history. More than 84 million viewers watching. SNL won't reach that many people but these late night shows can be highly influential. Take a look down memory lane with me.
BRIAN STELTER, HOST "RELIABLE SOURCES": Live from New York, it's almost Saturday Night. As "SNL" prepares to raise the curtain on its 42nd season it's Kate McKinnon as Hillary Clinton versus Alec Bladwin as Donald Trump.
This year SNL actually pushed its season opener until after the first debate. Now the sketch everyone is waiting for could help shape the narrative of this election. Will there be Trump sniffles? Vigorous chugging of water? Jokes like that can breakthrough in a powerful way.
DEAN OBEIDALLAH, CONTRIBUTOR, THE DAILY BEAST: These things go to define people and inform them so I think comedy could be the key to winning this election.
STELTER: As Election Day nears left-leaning late night hosts like Seth Meyers and Sam Bee are ratcheting up their anti-Trump jokes.
SETH MYERS, LATE NIGHT HOST: Donald Trump supporters are claiming that Hillary Clinton used a secret device Monday night to boost her debate performance and we have a picture of it right here.
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SAMANTHA BEE, LATE NIGHT HOST: Don't snort your way through the debate like John Pierre surprise truffle pig.
STELTER: Pointed comedy can turn off some viewer.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm aware that that probably happens.
STELTER: But it impresses other viewers. And during elections years, people need to laugh. Some past "SNL" impressions are unforgettable like Tina Fey playing Sarah Palin.
TINA FEY, ACTRESS: I can see Russia from my house.
STELTER: And Will Farrell's George W. Bush.
WILL FARRELL: Strategery.
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STELTER: The portrayal of Al Gore as sighing and stiff was devastating.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would put it in what I call a lock box.
STELTER: And who can forget Chevy Chase as a bumbling Gerald Ford.
CHEVY CHASE, ACTOR: No problem.
STELTER: Last year McKinnon's Clinton election helped win her an Emmy.
KATE MCKINNON, ACTRESS: I cannot wait to be your next president, if I'm elected, of course, not getting ahead of myself in public. In private I've been president for 15 years.
STELTER: And Darrell Hammond took on Trump.
DARRELL HAMMOND, ACTOR: Jeb, you're a nice guy, but you're a lightweight and I know for a fact that you pee sitting down.
STELTER: Both candidates also appeared on the show, something we could see again later this season. But tonight political junkies are eagerly awaiting SNL's take on the first debate. To see if the not ready for prime time players can once again make their mark on the nation's psyche.
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STELTER: Now, it is no secret that writers in a place like SNL tend to lean to the left. Some critics say these shows benefit democrats like President Obama and now Hillary Clinton. But with the producers and writers also want is to make you laugh. Is, to make you enjoy their spoofs of the election. And, let's be honest, Poppy, this year there is a lot to parody. Back to you.
HARLOW: You are exactly right, my friend. Brian, thank you for that. A quick break, we're back on the other side waiting for Donald Trump to speak live.
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HARLOW: Two very passionate women voting for two very different candidates. CNN Money hit the road and went to Ohio and Florida to meet voters and volunteers for the campaigns and hear them make their case for their candidates.
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CINDY DEMPSEY, HILLARY CLINTON VOLUNTEER, CLEVELAND OHIO: She is incredibly intelligent.
JOAN LOPEZ COMBES, DONALD TRUMP VOLUNTEER, SACRAMENTO, FLORIDA: He's a true person.
DEMPSEY: She has the experience. She has the temperament.
LOPEZ: He speaks his mind.
DEMPSEY: She has the skill. She has the values She has the judgment.
LOPEZ: He shoots from the hip. That's how I was brought up. And I just feel that everything he says is true.
DEMPSEY: She's spent her entire adult life working for the betterment of others.
LOPEZ: He's a businessman. He will protect our country. He will make us safe he will protect the Second Amendment.
DEMPSEY: Working for the Children's Defense Fund or her work for the SNAP Program to get children (inaudible) support their nutritional needs.
LOPEZ: Growing up we didn't have credit cards. Everything was paid in cash. As a lot of people might remember.
So you live within your means. And I think today the economy is out of hand because too many people expect things for nothing, and they expect everything to be free. So who, we as taxpayers growing up paying for everybody else.
DEMPSEY: There's a real need to increase the number of jobs. Certainly the wages that people make. And so Hillary has really laid out a plan for increasing jobs, for developing jobs that give people a living that they can support their families by.
LOPEZ: I love his tax plan. I love what I hear him say now about school education. Eliminating common core.
DEMPSEY: Now we have a chance to make history with the first woman president, who is clearly, clearly the most qualified candidate ever.
LOPEZ: Someday there will be a woman president, but it's not going to be Hillary Clinton. ?
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HARLOW: In just 38 days either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton will be elected the next President of the United States most likely while the other experiences the most agonizing public defeat of their life. So what is that like, to narrowly miss your shot?
Our own Gloria Borger finds out in a CNN special report, "Almost President: The Agony of Defeat." Gloria?
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GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Poppy, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are looking forward to just one date on the calendar. That's November 8th, Election Day. But for the one who loses what happens the day after? Just ask the Romneys.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All of a sudden that's it. You're a joke. You're going to Costco.
BORGER: Costco is exactly where the Romneys went.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The refrigerator was bare so,
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Life goes on.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, go to the market and get some food.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There are a lot of tears. A lot of tears.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's very hard. It's a real -- it's a real heart- wrenching experience to say, you know, we just didn't get the job done. Tens of thousands of people. Hundreds of thousands of people. And you
think they cared, I feel, I wished we'd succeeded, for them and for the country.
BORGER: I imagine Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump might feel the same way, although Poppy, I'm not sure I can picture either one of them in a Costco parking lot.
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HARLOW: I think you are right. Gloria Borger, thank you so much. For all of you watching, do not miss Gloria's fascinating look inside. It airs next right here on CNN. Followed tonight by Anthony Bourdain "Parts Unknown" as Bourdain takes you to Vietnam, Russia, and Iran. I'm Poppy Harlow in New York. Thank you so much for joining us I will see you back here tomorrow night. Have a good one.
