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Trump Suggests Hillary Clinton Unfaithful to Bill Clinton; Kim Kardashian Robbed at Gun Point in Paris; Former Jewel Thief Discusses Kardashian Robbery. Aired 2:30-3p ET
Aired October 03, 2016 - 14:30 ET
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[14:30:44] BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Donald Trump starting the week out with a widely criticized debate showing, and then this bombshell report that the presidential candidate may have avoided paying federal income taxes for 18 years, and now this formal cease- and-desist from the Trump foundation from New York's attorney general for operating without proper certification. Kind of a bad week, but perhaps the most cringe-inducing moment came when Donald Trump opened this Pandora's Box.
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DONALD TRUMP, (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Hillary Clinton's only loyalty is to her financial contributors and to herself. I don't even think she's loyal to Bill, if you want to know the truth.
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TRUMP: And really, folks, really, why should she be, right?
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BALDWIN: Donald Trump supporter, former New York City mayor, Rudy Giuliani, doubling down.
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RUDY GIULIANI, (R), FORMER NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: That was a sarcastic remark pointing out that Bill Clinton has, you know, quite a past, and Hillary Clinton has done quite a job on attacking the people who are victims of Bill Clinton. Not only that, she poses as a feminist and she's taken money from countries that stone women, kill women --
JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR, STATE OF THE UNION: Bill Clinton --
GIULIANI: -- don't allow --
TAPPER: Bill Clinton's not the nominee, sir. Bill Clinton's not the nominee.
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TAPPER: And this is my last question for you. Is the Trump campaign -- is Donald Trump and the people around Donald Trump really the ones to be casting aspersions on the marriages of anyone else?
GIULIANI: It isn't the marriage. It's the way she goes on the attack and tries to hurt victims of sexual predations.
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BALDWIN: With me now, Peter Wehner, senior fellow with the Ethics in Public Policy Center and former senior adviser to President George W. Bush and also worked in the last three administration. Also with me, Alice Stewart, CNN political commentator and Republican strategist.
PETER WEHNER, SENIOR FELLOW, ETHICS IN PUBLIC POLICY CENTER: Thank you.
ALICE STEWART, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Thank you.
BALDWIN: Alice, let's get to it. I don't think there's any disputing, you know, you're a Trump supporter. Trump had a bad week. Do you agree with this strategy going after the Clintons' marriage?
STEWART: No, no. I'm a Republican. I'm going to vote for Donald Trump. But those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Let's just say this is topic all together across the board should be taken off the table. We should focus on the issues the voters are concerned with. Donald Trump has plenty of positive strong suits he can be discussing. He can be talking about how his -- his vision for economic future is better than hers. Talk about his strong stance on immigration and how he plans to --
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BALDWIN: But why, then, is his inner circle, I mean, it's a bit of a fraternity, it's a lot of fellows, why are they not telling him that? How would you advise these men who are advising him?
STEWART: Well, to my understanding, Donald Trump is going to do what Donald Trump is going to do. There's little talking him out of it. That's been quite clear and we have seen a change in course and temperament of the campaign since Kellyanne Conway came on board. She's done a phenomenal job. But rumors the death of a flame-throwing and Trump are greatly exaggerated. At times when he feels as though he has not had a great week, he'll bring up something unscripted and off the cuff, which is exactly what he's done. But, fortunately, they got him back on track today. They did a correction. I think the meeting he had this morning with military leaders was phenomenal, talking about national security and what he can do to help clean up the V.A. It's time to get back on course. He'll be in Colorado later today and Arizona, where he can talk about immigration which is important, the Second Amendment; and work to get things back on course and reel in these Independent voters he desperately needs.
BALDWIN: I hear your point. It could be heading in the right direction.
On this other note, Peter, I was reading my political playbook for the morning and they pointed out was Glenn Thrush (ph) and this note about Googling. If you go to the Google and you type in, "Is Trump trying to lose," do you know how many hits you get? 90 million. And from what I understand, you are wondering the exact same thing.
WEHNER: I don't know if he's trying to lose but he is losing. There's a difference. He's acting in a way that's incredibly self- destructing, self-incineration, self-sabotage. It's hard to make sense of, you know, any sanity from this approach. The bar is so low for the Trump supporters, you get him one day without saying something insane and they consider that a victory. I suppose in a certain way it is. But this goes to the fundamental problem with Trump and the Trump campaign, which is the real problem is Donald Trump. It is that he has what Trump mystically called a temper problem. I think more is a disordered personality. He's volatile, unstable, he is vindictive and obsessive. He can't control himself. He can do it for a day, a couple days. They can chain him to a teleprompter. At the end, his personality comes through. That is the thing that is so alarming.
And this last week that he had one of the worst weeks I've ever seen a presidential campaign have, from getting slaughtered in the debate by Hillary Clinton to "The New York Times" story to his 3:20 a.m. Twitter storm, urging his supporters to take a look at a sex videotape to statements that you were alluding to yesterday against Hillary Clinton. So, this is just a total miss.
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WEHNER: Let me say one other thing. Every campaign has bad moments and bad stories, but what he does is he makes it worse because of his unhinged responses to it. And there's no stopping it.
[14:36:32] BALDWIN: I mean, you can't grab -- Alice, I hear you on the event this morning. Peter mentioned the 3:00 a.m. Twitter escapade. You can't steal his phone out of his hands. Ultimately, what do you do?
STEWART: You hire the person that Hillary Clinton that took a hammer to her and same thing to Donald Trump. Here's when he gets in trouble, is when he's not on prompter and not on script or he has time to think and really speak his mind. And for his base, that is what's appealing to him. That's how he won the primary, much to a lot of folks' dismay. But he needs to get back on track and work to appeal to the independents and the undecideds out there because they're going to make the difference up in this election. He doesn't have enough of the base to win. Neither does Hillary. So, the key is to reach out to those that are independent and undecided. This negative course of attack is not the way to go. People are clearly concerned with national security, and if he can stay focused and fine-tuned on those issues, he'll be successful. It's just a matter of whether or not he can be disciplined for the next several weeks, which is imperative for him to win.
BALDWIN: On the focus and fine-tuning, final note, Peter, let me ask you, I'm curious how you would respond to this. We know the next debate is like a town hall forum, next weekend in St. Louis. We understand Chris Christie, who's really excelled in these sorts of forums, is apparently helping coach Donald Trump. What sort of advice do you think Governor Christie should be offering Donald Trump based on what we saw at Hofstra University?
WEHNER: I'd say, don't be Donald Trump, but that's impossible.
BALDWIN: Ouch.
WEHNER: I'll tell you what the problem is. Given how Trump is and what we've seen in the last week, he's going to want to settle scores. He's furious and enraged. That's very difficult to do in a debate. It's difficult to do in a town hall debate when you have citizens there. If he tries to pull that off, he's not only going to put his trap, he's going to put his neck into it. It's a very, very hard format to do. I expect he's going to continue to blow apart. He's been doing that now and again through this entire campaign. And it's accelerating. And it's, frankly, unsettling to presidential party blow apart in public like this. But these are the times.
[14:39:01] BALDWIN: Peter and Alice, thank you.
That happens in St. Louis next weekend.
In the meantime, we're going to veer totally off politics and talk about Kim Kardashian. Oh, yes, Kim Kardashian, she was robbed at gunpoint in Paris. There is now a manhunt under way for these five masked men who tied her up, locked her in her bathroom, and took off with millions of dollars worth of jewelry. We'll actually talk to a former jewel thief about how this may have been planned. How do you actually sell $10 million worth of stolen jewelry anyway? We have that for you next.
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BALDWIN: Kim Kardashian is back in the U.S. She's OK but shaken after five masked men burst into apartment early this morning, robbed the reality tv star at gunpoint, tied her up, locked her in the bathroom with guns pointed to her head. Police say these thieves got away on bicycles after stealing jewelry valued, by the way, at more than $10 million.
CNN's Jim Bittermann is there in Paris.
Jim, what do you know?
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JIM BITTERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: All this took place at about 3:00 this morning at this luxury apartment/hotel, a discreet place, not known to too many Parisians where stars come wanting a safe use. It was not so safe for Kim Kardashian. The five robbers managed to overpower the concierge, talked him into taking them up to Kardashian's room, handcuffed Kim Kardashian and stole her jewelry, worth an estimated $10 million.
One thing that's happened since then is the mayor of Paris has come out and said she condemns this assault. It's important she's out there because this comes on the heels of 18 months of terrorism and other kinds of attacks here in Paris that call into question security. And now something gravely in question that this could have happened in the center of Paris overnight.
Jim Bittermann, Paris.
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[14:45:25] BALDWIN: Jim, thank you so much.
By any standards, this is a brazen heist and it has a lot of people asking, how are these thieves able to gain access to a luxury Paris apartment and then cycle way on bikes with $10 million worth of jewelry.
Let's put that question to Larry Lawton, who was once known as the biggest jewel thief in the U.S. but is now the president of the Reality Check Program. Also with us, Steven Stanulis, who was once Kim and Kanye's body guard, a New York police officer, and now the owner of Silver Shield Investigators.
Gentlemen, great to have both of you on.
Larry, to you first.
You just heard Jim etch out what we know on the robbery. What do you make of how it was clearly planned and executed?
LARRY LAWTON, PRESIDENT, REALITY CHECK PROGRAM & FORMER JEWEL THIEF: Well, obviously, I think it's an inside job. They had to know when she was going to be into the -- in the apartment or where she was. That she had that kind of jewelry. That could have been done by the concierge. Could have been done by anyone from the doormen to airport workers. I think there's an inside element to it. The getaway, too, they said bicycles. The bicycles might have went two blocks and went into a van. After the van -- or a van or truck and they're gone. Usually, a planned heist, they split it up real quick. So there's more to the whole story -- Brooke?
BALDWIN: I never heard of bicycles. Then again, it's Paris, and a lot of people hop on bicycles in small, charming streets and away you go.
Steven, on the body guard note, I mean, if you're rolling around and I have questions on even why one would have $10 million in jewels, but obviously she did. Why wasn't the body guard by her side the entire time she had that kin of jewelry on her? Apparently the body guard was out clubbing with some of the sisters.
STEVEN STANULIS, OWNER, SILVER SHIELD INVESTIGATORS & FORMER BODY GUARD TO KIM AND KANYE WEST & FORMER NEW YORK POLICE OFFICER: Right. I think he was right on. I think it was an inside job due to that fact because the body guard -- the main body guard was sent to be with the other sisters. So the "robbers," quote/unquote, were not that lucky to get into a location that was a secret entrance and no security. You add that with SnapChat, ridiculous to show all that jewelry on SnapChat and not have a second security guard there who is armed and had police training is boggling to me. So, I think he was really right on that it is definitely an inside job. Steven, to the point on SnapChat --
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LAWTON: You know --
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BALDWIN: To the point of SnapChat and social media, these girls, the Kardashians are known for being on Twitter every 0.2 seconds and talking about their whereabouts and what they have, which is part of the allure, I suppose, but doesn't that also pose such a challenge for a body guard because you're basically broadcasting to the universe, hey, here's where I am every moment.
STANULIS: Absolutely. And I don't think there's anybody in her SnapChat that has the ability security-wise that work for either of them, Kim or Kanye, to say that's not the smartest thing to do. It's a criminal's paradise to know where they're going to be, what they're wearing, what time they're showing up, to me it's mind-boggling. When you do security, there's -- I've done other high-profile clients, A- list clients, and they had their own way of doing things which I don't agree with, but that's the way they do it and I saw this happening back in February the way they structured the security.
BALDWIN: Larry, I want to come to you, but I want to show everyone what we're talking about, this diamond ring. I mean, this is the bling she was sporting in Paris. It was Paris fashion week. This is part of the treasure trove they apparently made away with.
Larry, you wanted to jump in?
LAWTON: Yes. The Twitter and SnapChat and social media is pretty much for an impulse steal. This is planned. This has a getaway, like you said, the bookstore, either a something, knowing where she was, that the guy was out of the play. This is a little bit more planned.
Also with jewelry, I try to get it through to people and clients I have and people I talk to, it's so easy to put $10 million of jewelry in your pocket. I remember the $136 million about --
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STANULIS: I have $10 million in my pocket right now, $10 million in jewelry, so I get it.
BALDWIN: Good for you.
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STANULIS: Just kidding.
BALDWIN: Go ahead, Larry.
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BALDWIN: Hang on.
But if you have that amount of money in jewelry, if you have thing, but then how do you turn around and sell it if you have a $4.5 million ring, and people are wondering, where did you get that diamond ring?
[14:50:04] LAWTON: Brooke, that's what I was bringing up earlier in other conversations. Fencing, a person who deals in stolen property. It seems like that happens a lot in Europe. No one is getting caught with the fences. The fences have their own network of people they can actually get rid of. They break up diamonds and jewels and reset them, sell them different ways around the whole world. And I think they got to start an investigation with the fencers because that's how you'll break up big rings, whether it was the Pink Panther gang or other organized large groups.
BALDWIN: Larry and Steven, thank you.
Steven, with your $10 million, you clearly picked the right profession.
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Thank you both very much. Good to see both of you.
STANULIS: Thank you.
BALDWIN: Let's get you back to politics. More on breaking news, Hillary Clinton ripping Donald Trump over the report THAT he has not paid federal income taxes for years.
Also, ahead, more criticism against Trump after he physically mocked Hillary Clinton's bout with pneumonia. Have you seen this? Let's talk about it ahead.
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[14:50:13] BALDWIN: CNN is on this nationwide tour. We have a great team of correspondents traveling across this great land in a camper. They're hitting key swing states and destinations leading up to the final days of this presidential election with the goal of essentially cutting through the noise and grasping the real pulse of America. #myvotecamper is at Longwood University in Farmville, the site of tomorrow vice presidential debate.
Joining me to discuss this -- really they just wanted to take a road trip -- CNN digital correspondents, Chris Moody and Vanessa Yurkevich.
Guys, great to see you.
I'll see you in Farmville tomorrow. Talk to me about this road trip.
VANESSA YURKEVICH, CNN DIGITAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, yeah, Chris and I have been on a road trip for a week now. We started right after Hofstra and we're heading to Las Vegas. We're hitting up all the presidential debates. In between we're stopping at key battleground states. We're talking to the voters. We don't really want to talk to the candidates, the pundits or surrogate surrogates. We want to talk to the voters. One of our first stops was Scranton, Pennsylvania, a very important battleground state.
CHRIS MOODY, CNN POLITICS SENIOR DIGITAL CORRESPONDENT: That's right. Pennsylvania could be pivotal in this election. It's making inroads with life-long Democrats. There are far more registered Democrats in Pennsylvania than there are Republicans. We met a number of people, and the polling it showing this well, that registered Democrats few are either becoming Republicans or voting for Trump.
YURKEVICH: Along the way, we met quite a few characters. One guy, Bob Bollis (ph), who has decked out his entire 18-wheeler in pro-Trump messages and videos -- or messages and pictures. We actually took a road trip with him. Take a look.
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BOB BOLLIS (ph), TRUMP SUPPORTER: I don't have to do this. I do this because I belief in this country. You're in Pennsylvania right now. You'll get a flavor for why he's going to win P.A. He knows the concept of what stuff work. Knows the business end of it. It's not just about me driving a stupid truck around. It's about seeing what this country's really about.
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YURKEVICH: As you saw, Chris and I bopping around with Bob in his truck.
What was interesting is we started looking out the windows and we saw that people were driving right up next to the truck, ting photos, giving their thumbs up.
MOODY: And other hand symbols.
YURKEVICH: And other signs we don't want --
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BALDWIN: Not for television.
YURKEVICH: Exactly. We also stopped at a couple of RV stops and truck stops. A lot of people just swarmed the truck. It was like a magnet. People from both sides, people who supported Trump, people against him.
Bob particularly loved talking to people of both sides. He's very interested in people expressing how they feel about the election and in his terms, the truck is his way of expressing his point of view about the election.
BALDWIN: Awesome. I love we sent you out in an R.V. to talk to you about the people who matter, the people voting for the next president of the United States you two in Farmville tomorrow. Chris and Vanessa, thank you, thank you, on your road trip.
Coming up next, breaking news. New York's attorney general just issuing a cease-and-desist order against Trump's foundation. We'll tell you why. We're back in a moment.
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