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Kaine, Pence To Square Off In VP Debate; At Least 26 Killed By Rebel Shelling, Airstrikes In Aleppo; U.S. Cuts Off Talks With Russia Over Syria; Iraqi Prime Minister: "Victory Is Near" In Mosul; Cuba Braces For Onslaught Of Hurricane; British Pound Slumps To 31-Year Low Against Dollar; Concerns About Impact Of Brexit On U.K. Economy. Aired 3-4p ET
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CLARISSA WARD, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello. I'm Clarissa Ward sitting in for Hala Gorani here at CNN London and this is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
The stage is set for the first and only show down between two candidates battling to be just a heartbeat away from the oval office. The running
mates of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump will face off just hours from now in the state of Virginia.
We're not expecting major fireworks between Democratic Senator Tim Kaine and Republican Governor Mike Pence, but the debate could be their best
chance to introduce themselves to the American public.
This comes just as we are getting our first real indication of how the recent presidential debate went over with likely voters. CNN/ORC poll
shows Trump has lost ground to Clinton. She now leads him by 5-percentage points nationwide.
Clinton spoke at a campaign rally a short time ago slamming Trump for making disparaging remarks about women.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: My opponent insulted Miss Universe. I mean, how do you get more acclaimed than that? But it wasn't
good enough. So we can't take any of this seriously any more.
We need to laugh at it. We need to refute it. We need to ignore it and we need to stand up to it and especially the bullying. There are too many
young women online who are being bullied about how they look, and being shamed, and mistreated.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WARD: We're joined now by two of our political analysts. John Avlon is editor-in-chief of "The Daily Beast" and Josh Rogin is a columnist for "The
Washington Post." John, let me start with you. I mean, give us a sense here, what is at stake with the debate tonight? Why is it important? Is
JOHN AVLON, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: It is important, and there is a tendency sometimes not at the top of the ticket to want to pay less
attention, but the vice president is always one heartbeat away from the presidency more traditionally and especially because Donald Trump has
expressed the willingness to delegate enormous amounts of policy details to his vice president.
Mike Pence is worth keeping an eye on, much more traditionally social conservative than Donald Trump and Tim Kaine experiences a mayor, governor,
and senator, is still largely an unknown factor to America (inaudible), seen as a step by Hillary Clinton try to re-center her campaign after
running against Bernie Sanders.
But in both cases, these are people who could be president in a blink of an eye and start to ignore this debate as a big civic mistake.
WARD: So Josh, what do you think the mission statement is for each of these candidates tonight? Certainly a lot of people will be looking at
Governor Mike Pence, is it his job essentially to mop for Trump after a bad week? What exactly do they need to be focusing on?
JOSH ROGIN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Right. I think each of the vice presidential candidates will focus on the opposing presidential candidates.
They know it is not about them. The voters don't go in the booth and pull the lever for Mike Pence or Tim Kaine.
So for Tim Kaine, the object is to enforce the Clinton campaign's line on Donald Trump. We're facing a week where Donald Trump has just slid in the
polls. He's mired in a number of scandals, over his taxes, over his treatment of Miss Universe.
And Tim Kaine's job will be to keep the focus on those scandals, and Mike Pence's job will be to offer the campaign's response to those scandals.
After that their job will be to explain their differences with the people at the top of their ticket. Tim Kaine is for TPP before he was against it.
He is against abortion although he is not really advocating for a change in the law.
Mike Pence and Donald Trump disagree on a whole range of things from the Iraq war to the ban on Muslims and they will be pressed to explain how they
can support someone at the top of the ticket that they have fundamental disagreements with him.
WARD: You mentioned those polls there, they're showing the latest presidential polls showing Clinton at 47 percent to Trump's 42 percent.
[15:05:10]That's a significant post-debate bump. But John, I'm wondering how significant is it? Is Hillary Clinton now in a position where she can
sit back and relax? Is this hers to lose now?
AVLON: That is always a mistake that I don't think either candidate is likely to make. You know, the worst thing you can do less than 40 days out
of the presidency is start running like you're ahead. You always want to run like you're behind. You want to keep the pressure on.
And that's why -- these are high stakes performances tonight. You know, the first rule of a vice presidential pick generally is do no harm. That
was a rule that was violated by Sarah Palin on John McCain's ticket in 2008 where exit polls showed that people voted against McCain in large part
because Sarah Palin made the money uneasy.
So that could be a real factor. But they want to make sure they can answer questions, clean up any messes, which Mike Pence has a number to clean up,
and not be a distraction while articulating their differences.
This is a high takes, high wire act for these folks and in many cases, in both cases, they're really introducing themselves to the American people
for the first time and to international audiences.
WARD: Josh, one of the polls does indeed say that Trump in the state of Ohio is still ahead of Hillary Clinton, is Ohio really shaping up to be the
battleground state of this election?
ROGIN: Well, you know, Hillary Clinton can win the presidency without Ohio, but Donald Trump can't. All right, it is really a must win state for
him, despite the Trump campaign's claims, he is trailing in Pennsylvania. Florida is hard to really tell.
We should not put too much stock in these state polls, which are early snapshots in time. But Ohio is the perfect example of a state where people
are eager to sort of hear Trump's message of economic dissatisfaction.
At the same time, we're skeptical that Trump really has the confidence and sort the where withal to be commander-in-chief so in that sense it's a
perfect test case for his campaign.
WARD: I mean, both of these vice presidential candidates are not exactly characters who the American public is terribly familiar with. Do you think
this will be an opportunity to get to know them better? Will we be struck by their personality, John, or is this, as you say, just about getting out
the message of the presidential candidates?
AVLON: No, this is a chance for folks to get to know them. You know, the old line you never get a second chance to make a first impression. Well,
despite the fact they both served in governments for long periods of time, they are largely nationally unknown.
In terms of whether I'm expect to see fireworks, you know, this is the thrilla in vanilla. I mean, these folks are fairly mild mannered. They'll
try to probably kill each other with kindness.
Mike Pence is a very experienced communication, was a right wing radio show host to try to contrast himself with the Russ Limbaugh's of the time, and
puts a lot of emphasis on civility.
And Tim Kaine is known for that same quality. So I don't think this is going to be a deep brawl with tons of fireworks. I think it will be civil.
I hope it will be substantive and give people greater texture about just what the ticket means.
Because the vice president does matter. It's the first presidential decision for a nominee and it sheds a lot of light on what kind of policies
they will pursue in office.
WARD: Josh, I just want to pivot away from politics for one moment. You wrote a column today in "The Washington Post" talking about the White House
once again revisiting it Syria policy, looking at the possibility of strikes, what did you -- what's your take away? What do you think will
happen? Could there be a shift?
ROGIN: So the president will consider options for a way forward in Syria. There will be a Principle Committee meeting tomorrow, I was able to report,
and that President Obama could make a decision as early as late this week.
Among the options is a new push by people in the military and the State Department and the CIA to actually strike Assad as was proposed originally
in 2013. There is a lot of skepticism that President Obama will actually authorize that, but this shows a growing frustration inside the U.S.
government about really a lack of a Syrian policy following the collapse of a ceasefire.
So a lot of people are proposing a lot of things. Ultimately there is only one person who can make that decision that is President Obama, and he seems
firm in his analysis that none of those options would make the situation better than worse. But while they deliberate, Aleppo burns.
WARD: Indeed, well, Josh Rogin, John Avlon, thank you so much.
And make sure you stay with us for much more on this story later in the hour. We'll be live in Farmville, Virginia for a preview of tonight's
Now to Syria as we were just discussing and the fierce fighting that is raging in the divided city of Aleppo. Reports say at least 20 civilians
died from airstrikes on the rebel held earn side of the city in the last 24 hours.
[15:10:01]Rebel shelling on government-held neighborhoods and a university campus also left another six people dead and it comes one after the U.S.
ended bilateral talks with Russia over Syrian ceasefire.
Moscow meanwhile is preparing for more military action in the region. The U.S. official tells CNN that Russia sent a more advanced antiaircraft and
anti-missile system into Syria over the weekend. The U.S. State Department spokesman had this to say earlier.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JOHN KIRBY, U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESMAN: You can have whatever you want. You can't choose your own facts, and the facts are that the Russian
military is aiding the Assad regime as it continues this devastating siege on Aleppo and continuing to kill innocent people who are simply trying to
live a better life.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WARD: Senior international correspondent, Matthew Chance in Moscow with more on Russia's response.
MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Clarissa, the Russians say they regret that decision by Washington to suspend those
talks on the Syrian ceasefire, but Moscow is refusing to accept any responsibility for the collapse, instead the Russian Foreign Ministry is
blaming the United States for that.
Washington says simply did not fulfill its commitment such as dividing Jihadist from moderate rebels. The U.S. says they're trying so shift blame
on to someone else, added in a statement.
Of course, this peace effort was always played by fundamentally different ambitions for Syria in Moscow and Washington. Russia's key objective has
been to bolster its ally, the Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad.
Moscow sees him as a barrier against the spread of Islamic fundamentalism and as a guarantor of Russia interest in Syria whereas Washington sees him
very differently, a figure who is unpalatable, someone with two much blood on his blood, someone who should be replaced.
Now those differences over Syria are also part of a much broader and quickly deteriorating Russian-U.S. relationship, which includes
disagreements over Ukraine, economic sanctions and nuclear disarmament now as well.
Because Moscow has just announced that it is pulling out of a key nuclear deal brokered with the United States back in 2000 aimed at destroying tons
of radioactive plutonium that could have been weaponized.
Arms reduction has been one area where the former rivals had successfully cooperated, but now Moscow is making that contingent on progress in other
If the plutonium deal is to be resumed, the Kremlin says, U.S. troops and infrastructure in some NATO countries must be reduced, it says, and all
economic sanctions against Russia, many of them imposed over Ukraine must be lifted. Back to you, Clarissa.
WARD: For more on the situation in Syria and the involvement between the U.S. and Russia, let's bring in Tobias Ellwood. He is a British member of
parliament. He is also a parliamentary undersecretary of state for the Foreign and Commonwealth office with expertise in the Middle East and
Tobias, thank you for joining us. I mean, diplomatically, Syria just has to be one of the most abject disaster the international community has seen
in sometime given these recent developments. Where do we go from here?
TOBIAS ELLWOOD, BRITISH MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT: I agree. It does seem that the world is a far more dangerous place this evening with the breakdown of
talks between Russia and the United States. At the beginning of the year, things looked much better. We finally had an international Syria support
We had the Iranians and the Russians at the table along with the Saudi Arabia and other, the main stakeholders, United States, a real effort was
made to pressure, to influence Russia with their its gift that it has to exert pressure on Assad to say that the bombing must stop.
And what we've seen in the last week is clear evidence that Russia is aiding Assad as your last report just said Assad regime in committing what
is tantamount to war crimes.
WARD: Well, exactly, I mean, we've heard most recently in Aleppo, they're now using bunker buster bombs, which seems to be a new low in this conflict
and I guess, my question to you would be, do you think it is still possible to work with Russia? Can Russia be a viable ally in terms of trying to
come to a peaceful resolution to this brutal conflict?
ELLWOOD: I would like to say that we want Russia to reconsider its position and recognize its unique influence that it has over Assad in order
to take Syria into a better place.
But unfortunately with the tolerance that the west is showing, particularly John Kerry in wanting to work with Russia, time and time again we have been
I attended the meetings in the U.N. General Assembly meetings last week in New York where we had the International Syria Support Group. Sergei Lavrov
having to rush out of the room every 5 minutes to make phone calls to check what's going on.
[15:15:10]We clearly weren't talking to the right person there. These assistance are being made by Putin and he clearly is not understanding the
requirements that's placed upon him from the international community to bring Assad into a better place.
WARD: Many people have complained, though, western diplomats talking to me behind closed doors that they don't have enough leverage do really get the
Russians and the regime to do their responsible part to bring an end to this conflict.
Because there is no threat of force or real threat of major economic sanctions or any threat indeed that gives them leverage when it comes to
the negotiating table. Do you think that's a fair assessment? Would like to see for the U.S. adapt a slight more robust policy when it comes to
dealing with Syria?
ELLWOOD: It has always been the case that we wanted to work with Russia, United States, Britain, France, and other allies have wanted to work with
Russia given its (inaudible) that it has, but clearly we're going to have to look at other options now as we move forward to say how better can
protect the people that need the support in Syria.
Other things are changing, we are going to see the liberation of Mosul then that will push on to Raqqa as well that could change the balance of power.
There are other nations in the region calling for no fly zones and protective areas as well.
Russia needs to understand that other options will be considered unless it comes back to the back and recognizes its responsibility in making Assad
stop bombing his own people.
WARD: Do you really think Russia cares when you say these things. They sound import, but do they care?
ELLWOOD: I think Russia cares about controlling influence in one of the last bastions of the world where it can continue to do so. We shouldn't
forget that when Syria got its independence in 1946, the Soviet Union was first in to provide training for the new Syrian Army.
The relationship between the two nations is very strong indeed. Bashir's father spent time in Russia. There is a bomb there which Russians don't
want to lose.
And we recognize that and appreciate that, but that bond should be with a country and the people of the country, and not this leader.
WARD: OK, Tobias Ellwood, thank you.
Iraq's prime minister is broadcasting a message of hope to the residents of Mosul saying victory over ISIS is near. In a live radio address, Haider
al-Abadi said Iraqi troops are advancing on the city and will soon begin an assault to recapture it. ISIS has held Mosul since 2014.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HAIDER AL-ABADI, IRAQI PRIME MINISTER (through translator): We will raise the Iraqi flag in the center of the city of Mosul as we embrace it in
Karaya (ph) and Sherket (ph). And before it in Baiji, Tikrit, Ramadi, and Fallujah, and many other towns and villages that have been returned to the
people of Iraq.
We decided and we're determined to liberate all of the Iraqi land of Daesh and this decision and victory have been achieved. Today you are closer
than any time in the past to get rid of Daesh's injustice and tyranny.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WARD: Well, still to come, a powerful hurricane rips into Haiti with high winds and storm surge. It is now heading toward Cuba, the Bahamas,
Florida, and North Carolina are preparing for the worst.
Plus it has not been a good day for the British pound as investors react to the time line for Brexit. How low did it fall? We'll tell you in just a
WARD: An extremely dangerous hurricane is now on course for Eastern Cuba after making landfall in Haiti earlier in the day. The Category 4 storm
killed at least two people in Haiti and the southern coast of the island was hit especially hard. Massive flooding is reported.
Of course, Haiti is not well equipped to manage a disaster of this magnitude. It is still struggling to recover from a devastating earthquake
that struck six years ago.
While our meteorologist, Tom Sader, has been tracking the storm and joins me now from the World Weather Center. Tom, where is it heading next and
what damage is it likely to do?
TOM SADER, AMS METEOROLOGIST: It looks like the second land fall will be just a matter of hours in Eastern Cuba. There is a good reason, though,
#prayforhaiti is trending on Twitter and around the world right now.
Because of all the island nations in the Caribbean, they have endured more in Haiti. They lose more lives from tropical storms and even depressions.
Matthew making its first landfall at 6:00 a.m. with a track and strength much Hazel in 1954. This is stronger than Hazel, but Hazel took a thousand
If you back to Al in 1980, it didn't even make land fall, 220 lives were lost. Gustav in 2008 took a good 77, but it was a bad year, they lost 700
by other tropical storms and depressions.
The earthquake in 2010, 200,000 lives were lost. Since then a cholera outbreak took another 10,000. They just got that under control. The big
fear is that this storm is going to highly contaminate the waters again.
This is the first hurricane to make landfall since that devastating earthquake in 2010. Now, one life already taken in Saint Vincent. We hear
two more, that was a good 24 hours before the storm ever moved into Haiti.
One fisherman and a teenage trying to clear a storm drain. Here it is the tiger in peninsula, this is where we had our first landfall. Notice where
it is now, big concerns are for Port-au-Prince because of where the position is. More on that in a moment.
We are starting to get clarification of the pattern over the U.S., which will dictate the track in the days ahead. After a landfall, possible in
Eastern Cuba, it's going to rake the whole entire Bohemian island nation and maybe even a landfall as a major hurricane in the U.S.
Notice an eye starting to develop again after its landfall. We saw a good storm surge on the southern end, but now that the winds are raking counter
clock wide, it will shove all of the water in the Port-au-Prince. It has nowhere else to go.
The mountains at 8,000 to 9,000 feet are already squeezing 300 to 400 millimeter of rainfall and we'll watch it do the same throughout the entire
Bohemian nation and up to the south Eastern U.S.
The U.S. Naval fleet has been dispatched deployed from Norfolk to head into the area, an aircraft carrier with helicopters, warnings are in effect and
already the first images of power outages, downed lines, and probably still alive, this will be a humanitarian crisis that we don't even really get the
full grasp of what is happening right now. Cuba next in just a manner of hours.
WARD: Nightmare for Haiti. OK, Tom, thank you. We'll be monitoring that hurricane throughout the hour.
Now Britain's currency is taking a big hit as the pound fell to a 31-year low against the dollar over fears about how Brexit will impact the economy.
You can see just how much the pound has weakened since June's referendum. Earlier, it fell to just over $1.27. That is even lower than the immediate
aftermath of the vote.
Let's look into this a little more with CNN's Money editor-at-large, Richard Quest, joins me from New York, and Max Foster is at the ruling
British Conservative Party Conference in Birmingham.
Let me start with you, though, Richard, tell me how low did it go, how low can it go, should Britain's be concerned?
[15:25:04]RICHARD QUEST, CNN MONEY EDITOR-AT-LARGE: Well, it is a fascinating experience because we know the reason why, per se, it is all
about the uncertainty of what is going to happen now that Theresa May has said that she will invoke Article 50, the negotiating clause that trigger,
if you like to Brexit, by the end of the first quarter of next year.
And the British finance minister, the Chancellor of Exchequer said in his speech yesterday that the people should be prepared for two years of
Now in that environment, it's not surprising that nobody really knows what the long term or even medium term trading will be for any British companies
or international companies with headquarters in the U.K. and that is why sterling is under pressure.
And there is one forecast, and I'm not signing on to it, Clarissa, but there is one forecast that says that the pound could hit parity with the
dollar, something that we have not seen since much, much earlier or even for many, many decades.
WARD: Yes, I certainly don't remember it in my lifetime. But Richard, one thing we did see was that the FTSE rallies a bit today as the pound tanked.
Is there a potential silver lining here anywhere for British manufacturers and --
QUEST: This is the perversion of the current situation, Clarissa. On the one hand, the pound is going down the toilet fast, as people basically are
deeply worried, but on the other hand, that cheaper pound is excellent for British exports. So we're seeing strong manufacturing numbers and export
The downside, because you know economics, on the one hand, you have bad for the pound, good for exports, bad for inflation, good for domestic demand,
and that is the grave uncertainty that the U.K. economy now faces over the next two years.
WARD: A mixed bag to be sure. Richard, thank you.
Max, what's the take on it from where you are, what's the reaction? How are people feeling about this?
MAX FOSTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, all the cabinet on (inaudible) is very much on message on this one. You really get a sense that Theresa may
is leading all the messaging coming up in the government right now and everyone is falling in behind her.
So there is round of (inaudible) with U.K. media today and the prime minister describing it as a bump in the road. She predicted bumps on the
road when this whole Brexit process started, but it's something that the U.K. has to accept, as you are suggesting there.
The FTSE was also up today, and that is good news for a lot of British companies so that's why the FTSE and the main index there in London went
So there is good and there is positive, but they do want more stability and they will deliver that over time with messages related to Brexit without
giving too much around way about the negotiations.
So they feel pretty in control about all of that, but all the debates here from the health service to defense are all in reference to the European
Union and Brexit.
So for example, today, you have the Defense Secretary Michael Fallon standing up and talking about the European Convention of Human Rights.
How it doesn't really work for the U.K. because it means that many soldiers have ended in court accused of abusing their positions in war zones, for
example, so he wants to distance him in the European Convention of Human Rights. Here is what he said to me about that.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MICHAEL FALLON, BRITISH DEFENSE SECRETARY: Our troops will still have to (inaudible) U.K. criminal law and we still have to follow the Geneva
Conventions, but they won't be shackled by these additional convention that has allowed these ambulance chasing lawyers to file thousands of bogus
(END VIDEO CLIP)
FOSTER: But again, it is all of this reference to the European Union and suggesting that this is the right decision for the United Kingdom. There
are many who still voted to remain and believe that Britain should remain in the European Union.
There are those questioning whether or not these are headline acts. I spoke to the attorney general as well, Dominic Grieve about this. He said,
this idea about this thing, the U.K. for the European Convention of Human Rights really realistic, and this is what he said as a legal expert.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DOMINIC GRIEVE, FORMER BRITISH ATTORNEY GENERAL: I have to say I'm not persuaded that this will necessarily make a significant difference to the
number of claims that may be brought against the minister of defense or the British government or indeed military personnel.
I agree it is troubling and there have clearly been a large number of spurious claim that's have been made. We are under a duty, internationally
and nationally to investigate allegations of crime by U.K. military personnel if they arise.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
FOSTER: Really does suggest, doesn't it, that everything about British politics and a lot of European politics is about Brexit and how that
decision plays into absolutely everything. It's dominating things. It is difficult getting a lot of domestic politics done in this environment.
WARD: I can imagine. Max Foster, thank you so much. Britain's decision to leave the European Union has brought us many things including a new
word, Brexit. It's a word that British politicians should know well by now, but the Welsh Assembly's conservative leader just wasn't able to get
it quite right when he spoke earlier.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ANDREW DAVIES, WELSH CONSERVATIVE PARTY LEADER: On conference, mark my words, we will make breakfast -- Brexit a success. That is one word that
was not meant to come out like that.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CHURCH: You're watching THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Coming up, new details on a crime that sent the internet into a tail spin. The brazen robbery of Kim
WARD: Welcome back. Here is a look at this hours top headlines. Last minute preparations are under way for the only U.S. vice presidential
debate just hours from now.
Tim Kaine is expected to top Hillary Clinton and try to tear down Donald Trump. Mike Pence will likely make the case for Trump while attacking the
top of the Democratic figures.
Hurricane Matthew is just hours away from Eastern Cuba. The storm already caused massive flooding in Haiti, but the full extent of the damage isn't
yet known. The Category 4 hurricane has killed at least three people.
The devastating power of Mother Nature has been seen around the world in the 2016. The Italian town of Amatrice hit by an earthquake in August got
a surprise visit from Pope Francis earlier. The pontiff took a tour of the center of the town and met local firefighters. The quake killed nearly 300
people and left thousands homeless.
Reality TV star, Kim Kardashian was likely targeted for robbery after her possessions were spotted on social media. That's according to a
spokeswoman for the Paris Police Department who told CNN the attackers posed as police officers and were clearly an organized team. Our Jim
Bittermann has the latest from Paris.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JIM BITTERMANN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I believe a spokeswoman said again today the robbers who broke through this door early
Monday morning and robbed Kim Kardashian in fact were an organized team and they had planned their action very well.
[15:35:08]The fact is that they have known that from the beginning and so they're pursuing two leads in terms of the investigation. One is that this
was an inside job. That someone gave the robbers information about when and where Kim Kardashian is going to be here.
And also perhaps about the security situation and the idea that her bodyguard was gone for just a few hours with her sisters going to a
nightclub. And that she was all alone here. That idea might have come from someone inside the entourage. So that's one of the areas that the
police are looking at.
The other possibility is that Kim Kardashian herself, on social media perhaps tipped the robbers off. They're going through her all of her
social media communication just to see if there was anything that she said that might have been a tip off for the robbers. Jim Bittermann, CNN,
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WARD: Republican Mike Pence or Democrat Tim Kaine could be a heartbeat away from the office of the American president. For that reason the vice
presidential debate is important, but we don't know whether either can impact the polls.
Pence and Kaine are in a dead heat in the eyes of voters who were asked which one would win. Both have admitted they are boring at least compared
to their larger than life running mates, but tonight could get fiery.
The two candidates launched attacks against the top of the opposing ticket. They both given us a taste of that on the campaign trail.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MIKE PENCE, U.S. REPUBLICAN VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: No one with a record of failure at home and abroad. No one with her avalanche of
dishonesty and corruptions, and no one with that low of an opinion of the American people should ever be elected president of the United States of
TIM KAINE, U.S. DEMOCRATIC VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Donald Trump has had a passion through his whole life too, but the problem is that passion
is Donald J. Trump.
PENCE: Hillary, they are not a basket of anything. They are Americans and they deserve your respect.
KAINE: If you cannot call out bigotry or call out racism, xenophobia, if you can't call it out, and you stand back and you're silent around it,
you're enabling it to grow and become more powerful.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WARD: Kaine and Pence are applying for the second highest office in the U.S., and the debate is basically a job interview televised around the
world. Well, we had a hunch that neither of the VP picks are household names yet so we headed to the streets of London to find out for sure.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They are probably part of something --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know who that is. I recognize him but can't place him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who are they?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No and no.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have absolutely no clue who these people are.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I don't recognize -- no.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It does not look familiar. Is that who they are? Yes, I can't tell you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is the perspective vice president for Trump called - - it slipped my tongue. The perspective vice president for Trump, and this guy -- leader of the House? Senate? Pass.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WARD: So is that half of the battle? Just introducing themselves to the world? Let's discussion that with CNN Politics executive editor, Mark
I mean, Mark, this is the streets of London so you could forgive the Brits and give them a pass, but how many Americans are actively engaged with
these vice presidential candidates and how important is tonight's debate in light of that?
MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EXECUTIVE EDITOR: Well, Clarissa, I'm embarrassed to say that they are actually having trouble in the United
States, voters are in identifying these two men.
Look at these new poll numbers we have from CNN/ORC on Tim Kaine. Let's look at his numbers right here. The most important Look at the bottom
number right there, 29 percent of American voters are unsure who Tim Kaine is.
But (inaudible) Mike Pence right now and see what his numbers look like, again, to this discussion, 28 percent of American voters are unsure who
Mike Pence is. That is a third of the American electorate right now who don't know who these two men are.
[15:40:02]But for a quick biographical rundown, they both are political insiders. Mike Pence is the governor of Indiana. He spent a lot of time
on Capitol Hill. He was a Republican leader on Capitol Hill when he served in the House.
Tim Kaine, former governor of Virginia where I stand right now. He's a United States senator. He's also the chairman of the Democratic Party
several years ago.
So tonight what they're going to be doing is not only introducing themselves to America and the world, but they're trying to sell their
ticket that they're on.
Tim Kaine really pushing forward on Hillary Clinton. Mike Pence doing the same for Donald Trump. Problem for Mike Pence is, though, is that he may
be on the defensive a little bit more given the fact that this whole campaign, he is on the campaign trail has been out there trying to
backtrack or clean up after Donald Trump's comments and some of his positions -- Clarissa.
WARD: So historically if you look at vice presidential debates, what is their role or their significance? How important are they? I know we keep
coming back to this question, but given the lack of visibility that these few vice presidential candidates have with most Americans, what is at stake
PRESTON: Two things here, I think you said it so accurately at the beginning. They're one heartbeat away from becoming the commander-in-chief
and leader of the free world.
Tim Kaine, if something were to happen to Hillary Clinton, and she were to win Tim the presidency, he is the president. Same thing with Mike Pence,
if Donald Trump wins the presidency, Mike Pence is right behind Donald Trump.
So for world leaders who maybe tuning in tonight to see this debate, they're going to be looking for how these two gentlemen react and what they
say specifically about global issues, foreign policy, American interventionists and what have you.
Here politically here in the U.S., it is really important that they don't lose the debate. It's important that Tim Kaine and Mike Pence are able to
try to win the debate. Will that score a lot of points? Not necessarily, but losses could be devastating, a win is really much a draw, and I think
that's what both campaigns are looking for.
WARD: Do you think that Governor Mike Pence has a lot of pressure on him to try to mop up, essentially, for the bad week that Donald Trump has had.
I mean, certainly, the polls have not shown a good response to his presidential debate performance.
PRESTON: Absolutely. Listen, the pressure is on Mike Pence for a couple of reasons. One is because Donald Trump did have a terrible debate against
Hillary Clinton. Our new CNN/ORC poll, which was released just yesterday show that she now has a 5-point lead.
She's up 47 percent to 42 percent for Donald Trump. Now that's a national poll, but we are also seeing that in the key states as well. Hillary
Clinton is doing better in the key states.
For Mike Pence it's not only cleaning up after Donald Trump, but he doesn't agree with Donald Trump on a lot of things. He doesn't agree with him on
trade, on global trade.
He doesn't agree with him on the Muslim ban that Donald Trump had said that he wanted to institute. He doesn't agree with him on climate change. So
there's a lot of things he doesn't agree with him on in.
How about this, Mike Pence has released his taxes. Donald Trump refuses to release his taxes and I suspect that Tim Kaine will go hard at Mike Pence
tonight to try to show the differences between these two men.
WARD: That promises to be an interesting night. Thank you so much.
Just a few hours from now you can watch the only debate between the vice presidential candidates here on CNN at 9:00 p.m. in the U.S. and 2:00 a.m.
here in London.
The U.S. is preparing a major humanitarian relief operation as Hurricane Matthew moves through the Caribbean. We've been telling you about massive
flooding in Haiti and Cuba is on course to get hit just hours from now.
A Pentagon official says three naval ships are getting ready to deploy to the Caribbean. They will be loaded down with key supplies like rations and
drinking water, and the USS Comfort will be carrying a medical team.
Let's go now to our Patrick Oppmann in Santiago, Cuba. He is joining us on the phone. Patrick, what are you hearing and seeing? Are the winds
picking up yet?
PATRICK OPPMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): Yes. We are starting to see the storm pick up, a very slow moving, but powerful storm, Clarissa.
And we are seeing in Santiago the first bands of rain and wind gusts and that's going to increase from here on out throughout the night.
A Cuban forecaster say probably until about 11 p.m. local time here. A lot of concern that the wind could tear off roofs, the storm surge could sweep
away homes, so officials have, throughout the last several days, been evacuating Cubans who live along in coastline, mountainous areas that could
They say they expect to have them with 180,000 people out of the path of the storm. We've already seen how deadly the storm is with a loss of life
[15:45:02]The storm hasn't arrived here yet and already Cuban officials say four people have been injured by houses collapsing with the amount of rain
that we have already received.
So even before the full impact of the storm, already a very dangerous, people are preparing for the few hours they have left.
WARD: And how proactive, Patrick, is the government been about preparing for this?
OPPMANN: Going back in years here, Cubans know that they have to prepare for hurricanes. That there's (inaudible) evacuate to. You can have a
storm (inaudible) and basically swamps a good section of the island, and this is something that even though they didn't have the resources of other
countries, we have the organization and the expertise in this.
So we've been Cuban President Raul Castro is in Santiago over the weekend urging officials to get ready, and really letting the people know that this
is a very dangerous storm. They need to take the storm very seriously.
They were last hit by a hurricane, Clarissa, and they are still picking up and it goes to show the damage that a storm like this can cause and how
long it takes a country like Cuba to recover from that damage.
WARD: OK. Patrick Oppmann, thank you.
You're watching THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Hospitals have come under attack again and again in Aleppo and treating the wounded is becoming nearly
impossible, more on the tragic situation there, next.
WARD: The hospitals in Aleppo, Syria have come under attack again and again during the regime's renewed offensive. There are now only five in
the area. They are overwhelmed with casualties.
We have a piece from ITN's Emma Murphy to share with you, but we warn you it contains graphic images of injured children and it may disturb you.
EMMA MURPHY, ITN REPORTER (voice-over): The signs on this screen offer information the only information they have about the little girl it
monitors. She is gravely ill. Her tiny ankle tethered to the bed to stop from falling or harming herself further.
But who she is and who loves her is a mystery to them. She was found after airstrike and no one has asked for her. They're assuming that her family
were killed in the attack.
Victims of the relentless onslaught on Eastern Aleppo. They do know about this little girl. She is 4 years old, playing outside when she picked up
what she thought was a toy. It was a cluster bomb and it tore through her tiny brain.
The rules of war are not being abided by this doctor says acknowledging it's not just the innocence in society being struck now, but the places
which also seek to care for them.
[15:50:06]The attacks which have done such harm to Aleppo's people and decimated hospitals continue today. A bunker busting bomb (inaudible)
destroyed what was left at the M-10 hospital.
That was already out of action after earlier strikes. Some staff were still there and trapped beneath the rubble. Colleagues shouted to them in
the hope they could be rescued, but at least three were killed.
It is the seventh strike on the hospital in a week. This is what was left yesterday, terrible indicators of the harm, which befell people in a place
meant to be safe.
Staff have spent days trying to retrieve anything salvageable as patients were moved elsewhere.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The old staff was transferred to the ER and faces a very, very bad situation because the very large number of patients.
MURPHY: Everyone at the six remaining hospitals is now treating the casualties of war and little space to treat those with a medical
emergencies (inaudible) and so many of them will also lose their life (inaudible) of Aleppo.
WARD: Sadly we have learned that that 4-year-old girl that picked up the cluster bomb she thought was a toy has died of her injuries.
WARD: Tennis star, Maria Sharapova, has won an appeal to have her two-year doping ban reduced. The Court of Arbitration for Sport cut the ban to 15
months, and she'll be allowed to return to tennis in April.
The ban was originally set to last until January, 2018. The Russian star was suspended after testing positive for meldonium (ph) at the Australian
Open in January. She admitted taking the drug, but she didn't know it had been added to the banned list.
Fine art and pop stardom don't always go together. But one auction house hit the jackpot thanks to a Korean pop band. The sale curated by the
member known as "Top" has pulled in more than 17 million beating presale estimates.
As Andrew Stevens reports, they're making a big push to reach out to wealthy young buyers in Asia.
ANDREW STEVENS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Top is a bonafide superstar. A member of the widely successful Korean boy band, "Big Thing."
But it was his taste in art that caught the attention of Sutherby's. The result a collaboration that helped draw a younger crowd to one of the world
oldest auction houses.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We call young collectors being under 40 years old. In Asia over 20 percent of our clients are art collectors. As much as 40
percent of new clients that turn up for the first time in Asia are young collectors. It's a very significant phenomenon that we witness in Asia
that's truly notable and influencing the entire outlaw.
STEVENS: Spending power among millennials in Asia can't be ignored. In China, for instance, the Boston Consulting Group says that those between 18
and 30, their consumption rate is growing at 14 percent a year. That is double the rate of those aged 35 and older. Sutherby's says top represents
a new breed of young collections not bound by tradition evident in the mix of styles found in his collection.
TOP, MUSICIAN (through translator): We have east and western artists. Of course, there are masterpieces by really famous virtual artists, but I also
pick young artists with young tastes.
They say it beats expectations taking in nearly $70.5 million. That is welcome need at a time when their net income is down 13 percent for the
first half of the year. They also say it was a social media success thanks in part to six million Instagram followers. Now they need those likes to
translate to sales. Andrew Stevens, CNN, Hongkong.
WARD: We are going to end with a little physics lesson. Remember in chemistry when you heated up water to turn make steam and cool it to make
ice. Those are phases of matter like vacation destinations, phases can be boring or exotic.
Theoretical physicists know about the exotic ones thanks to these three Nobel Prize winners, a member of the Nobel Committee tried to explain the
science. Behind the win using bagels, pretzels, and even tornadoes.
To over simplify their discoveries, we can say scientists now have a better understanding of how electrons move in unusual circumstance and that could
help develop next generation electronic and super conductors.
Just a reminder that you can watch the only debate between the vice presidential candidates right here on CNN, that is coming up in just a few
hours' time. At 9:00 p.m. in the U.S., and 2:00 a.m. for all of you night owls here in London.
After we will have the post-game action right here on the show Wednesday. This has been THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Thank you for watching. "QUEST MEANS
BUSINESS" is up next.
RICHARD QUEST, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: The bell is ringing on Wall Street. The Dow is up the best of part 100 points, a fascinating trading
session. We'll get to join the course of the day as we look at the economic outlook and the market has closed and frankly --