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CLARISSA WARD, CNN ANCHOR: Tonight, setting up a Sunday showdown. The V.P. candidates have faced off, now the spotlight turns to round two,

Clinton versus Trump.

Also a deadly hurricane takes aim at the Bahamas while the U.S. prepares for the worst. We'll track it's path just ahead.

And breaking this hour, a U.S. government contractor with top secret security clearance has been arrested. We're live in Washington for the


Plus, could there be a major change coming to the iPhone? Well, Apple's latest patent might hold a big clue. Hello. I'm Clarissa Ward sitting in

for Hala Gorani here at CNN London and this is "The World Right Now."

Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are counting down to their next debate and Sunday night's face-off promises more political fireworks. With just 34

days until America votes each performance is now critical.

But Tuesday night it was all about the men vying to be America's second in command. Indiana Governor Mike Pence faced off with Virginia Senator Tim

Kaine. This snap poll taken after the debate gives the edge to Pence. He managed to turn most of Kaine's questions against him and the Clinton camp.

Take a listen to this exchange.


TIM KAINE, (D), VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I just want to talk about the tone that set from the top. Donald Trump during this campaign has called

Mexicans rapists and criminals. He's called women slobs, pigs, dogs, disgusting. I don't like saying that in front of my wife and my mother.

He attacked an Indiana-born federal judge and said he was unqualified to hear a federal lawsuit because his parents were Mexican.

He went after John McCain, a POW, and said he wasn't a hero because he'd been captured. He said African-Americans are living in hell, and he

perpetrated this outrageous ambiguity (ph) lie that President Obama is not a U.S. citizen. If you want to have a society where people are respected

and respect laws, you can't have somebody at the top who demeans every group that he talks about.

MIKE PENCE, (R), VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I have to tell you, I was listening to the avalanche of insults coming out of Senator Kaine a moment

ago .


KAINE: Hold on a second.

PENCE: This is my time, senator.

KAINE: I apologize.

PENCE: This is your two minutes. I forgive you. He says ours is an insult-driven campaign. Did you all just hear that? Ours is an insult-

driven campaign. I mean to be honest with you, Donald Trump had said all the things he said in the way you said he said them, he still wouldn't have

a fraction of the insults that Hillary Clinton leveled when she said that half of our supporters were a basket of deplorables. She said they were

irredeemable. They were not American.


WARD: Trump and Clinton will both be hoping their running mates gave them a boost. Clinton is now off the campaign trail deeply immersed in prep for

Sunday's debate. Trump meanwhile has a full schedule of events in the coming days.

Well, let's discuss all things debate with two CNN political commentators right now, we have Jeffrey Lord who is a Donald Trump supporter and Maria

Cardona is a Democratic strategist and Hillary Clinton supporter. Maria, I want to start with you. The snap polls are saying that Pence had the edge.

Who do you think won the debate and why?

MARIA CARDONA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, I'll say two things, I do think Pence did well, but let's be clear here, Pence did well because he

walked up to the podium, sat down, and he wasn't Donald Trump. So he had an edge right there walking into it because he wasn't the candidate that so

many Republicans were so concerned about. The one that has had the debacle in the last two weeks, and is dropping in the polls.

Tim Kaine did exactly what he came to the debate to do. Which was, defend Hillary Clinton and be on offense on her positive vision and goals and what

she wants to do for the country as well as put Pence on the defense in terms of all of the offensive things that Donald Trump has said during the

campaign and we just heard the litany of what it was.

And Pence can try time and time again to deny that he said that because he knows that those are indefensible positions and indefensible statements,

but we have Google, we have a memory, this is not 1984 George Orwell's novel where you can rewrite the truth.

American people understand that Donald Trump has an issue with racism, with bigotry, with misogyny, and that is what Tim Kaine was underscoring in

terms of who do we want to have in the White House that will be a model for the country, a model for our children, a role model for the world. And

that person is not Donald Trump.

WARD: OK Jeffrey, I want you to respond to that, but I also want you to respond to, you know, one of the prevailing comments that I keep reading

is, Pence did a great job for an imaginary run mate, more like Mitt Romney than Donald Trump. This is the commentary that's out there. Do you think

that Mike Pence was in keeping with Donald Trump's tone and how would you respond to what you just heard from Maria there.

JEFFREY LORD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, let me respond to my friend Maria by simply saying that Tim Kaine absolutely represented the kind of

person that Hillary Clinton wants as her vice president. He was arrogant, he was insulting, he divided by race. He said things that made things that

were just frankly, completely untrue. There's a whole litany of things. Not to mention the style of his presentation which was agitated, sort of

barking. I mean, it was -- this is why he's lost all of these polls, not just the CNN poll, but many, many others. People were just taken aback at

his performance there.

So, I think Mike Pence did very, very, very well. Donald Trump -- look, Donald Trump is the nominee of the Republican Party for a reason. And that

reason is, that he is an outsider, that he is campaigned against the establishment, frankly, of both parties. He is the nominee for that

reason. Millions of people had voted for him. This is what they want to see. They are tired of typical political stuff, and that's what you got

with Tim Kaine just last night.

WARD: OK, but at the same time, we saw Mike Pence take some political stances that are not in keeping with what we've heard from Donald Trump

particularly in regards with President Vladimir Putin of Russia, who we called the small bullying man, we already heard him come up with some ideas

about taking a much more robust stance in Syria which Donald Trump has not advocated. I mean, are these two communicating with each other?

LORD: Let me -- let me just say something about the Putin issue here. What Donald Trump has said, and what Mike Pence has said, is that Putin is

a "strong leader" I think it was said in one case. Well, those are neutral terms. I mean, I mean, I hate to say this .

WARD: He has not been neutral in his praise.

LORD: Adolf Hitler and Stalin were "strong leaders." They were all evil. They were also evil. Donald Trump --

CARDONA: Exactly.

LORD: Donald Trump isn't vouching for the guy's character. He's just saying .

CARDONA: It sounds like he is.

LORD: . he's a better leader of his country. He's a dictator for heaven's sakes.

WARD: Well, he's expressed the admiration, Jeffrey.

CARDONA: He has.

WARD: He has certainly expressed that admiration. Let's be clear about this.

LORD: What he said was that he was a leader. And he also spoke -- I mean, I served in the Reagan White House, and I can well recall decades of

Democrats saying we have to get along with Russia. And saying all kinds of great things about everybody from Stalin, Kruschev, to Brezhnev and on

until Ronald Reagan came up with the idea, amazingly, we win, they lose, and proceed to end the cold war.

So, I don't really see anything novel about an American presidential candidate saying that we should at least try and get along with people.

The question is, do we let him run the world, and the sans no.

WARD: OK. Maria, go ahead.

CARDONA: Sure. I think what's novel here is that you have a vice presidential candidate that is actually throwing his boss, the top of the

ticket under the bus. And one of the reasons why Republicans thought Mike Pence did so well is because he finally did articulate what the majority of

Republicans believe from a foreign policy perspective.

Actual Republican foreign policy mantra which is something that Donald Trump has not even been able to do. So yes, he articulated a completely

different stance on Putin. He articulated a completely different stance on Syria than Donald Trump. And that's why you're hearing that today Donald

Trump might not be so happy with him because he did better than Donald Trump did in the debates, but again, he did that by showing up and not

being Donald Trump. And he articulated real Republican mantra which Donald Trump has not been able to do. Moving forward .

WARD: OK, final question .


WARD: Final question, sorry to interrupt you, but just quickly, Maria, you can take this one, how important is the vice presidential debate

historically? Does it make a dent in the polls?

CARDONA: Well I think what we historically have seen that it doesn't really change the direction of the election. There have been very few, I

don't think, you know, if any that we can point that actually changed the real trajectory of the election, even when it was clear that the opposing

party won the vice presidential debate, you know, you went on and I can remember Lloyd Benson against Dan Quail, Lloyd Benson eviscerated Dan

Quail, but George H.W. Bush and the Dann Quail ticket went on to win.

So, this is why I think that at the end of the day, Tim Kaine, the Clinton/Kaine ticket absolutely won this debate because Mike Pence, as well

as Republicans might have thought that he did, did not change the trajectory of this race. Nothing that was said last night by Mike Pence, I

think, gives Republicans or Americans any thought that Donald Trump is actually the one that is, that has a temperament to be president, that

understands foreign policy, that can get us out of a international crisis and that has the knowledge and expertise to be commander in chief.

On all of those points, the majority of the American people continue to believe that Hillary Clinton is the one that has those qualities.

WARD: OK. Jeffrey Lord, Maria Cardona, we will have to wait and see. Thank you so much for your insights as always.

LORD: Thank you, Clarissa.

CARDONA: Thank you so much.

WARD: And please be sure to join CNN for the second presidential debate between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. that's this Sunday, 9:00 p.m.

U.S. Eastern time which is 2:00 a.m. here in London, 9:00 a.m. in Hong Kong, Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri, is the venue and CNN's

Anderson Cooper will be one of the moderators. Watch it right here on CNN.

Now to a story just coming into us here. A U.S. government contractor has been arrested and accused of stealing top secret materials. The man,

Harold Thomas Martin III was a contractor for a firm working with the National Security Agency or NSA. CNN's justice correspondent Evan Perez

has more details. Evan tell what you say you're learning.

EVAN PEREZ, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Well, this is a contractor who was arrested Clarissa back in August. The FBI arrested him back in August and

held the arrest secret until today. He's accused of stealing highly sensitive classified documents that belong to the NSA. Now the documents

that were filed in court today don't have a lot of details. But we're told by law enforcement officials that we've been talking to that he worked for

a Booz Allen Hamilton, is a major, a large contractor here in the United States and overseas working for U.S. intelligence agencies as well as the

U.S. military. He's been working for them and has now been fired.

The company has put out a statement. At least they made a filing with this Security Exchange Commission in which they don't name him, but they say

that one of their employees was arrested by the FBI and they say that they've been cooperating with this investigation.

Now among the documents that Martin is accused of stealing are documents that showed up on the internet for sale just a few months ago. These were

hacking tools that the NSA developed for use, for its use in order to be able to hack into computers overseas, especially the governments of Russia

and Iran and other countries. These are highly sensitive documents.

They were a little outdated. They were from several years ago, but the damage was severe according to officials that we've been talking to. So,

now the problem is, you know, what do you do about people like this, right? They -- we already had the incidents of Edward Snowden who incidentally

also worked for Booz Allen Hamilton and worked for the NSA. And so the question is how do you try to prevent thefts like this from people who you

trust with some of the most sensitive information in the U.S. government?

WARD: Potentially very embarrassing for the U.S. government. Evan Perez, thank you.

Hurricane Matthew is now baring down on the Bahamas after doing brutal damage in Southern Haiti. The storm also blasted eastern Cuba. Washing

away dozens of homes in the seaside town of Baracoa but the devastation in southern Haiti is widespread. Communication systems are down and the

country's Civil Protection Agency says a bridge that connects Port-au- Prince with the southern peninsula has collapsed. Meanwhile the southeastern U.S. is now is bracing for the arrival of the storm.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This is a serious storm. It has already hit Haiti with devastating effect. It is now in the process of

moving through the Bahamas. Because it's not going to be hitting enough land, it is going to be building strength on it's way to Florida. We

anticipate that by tomorrow morning it will already begin to have significant effect in Florida.


WARD: Meteorologist Tom Sater is tracking the storm for us from our World Weather Center. Tom, what's the latest? Where is it heading? And what

kind of damage can we expect.

TOM SATER. CNN INTERNATIONAL METEOROLOGIST: Well, it lost a little bit of strength, Clarissa, as it went over Guantanamo province in Cuba which is

still getting heavy rain right now. But I think it's going to develop again.

Just to review a little bit the waters are still rising in Haiti. The big concern besides the power outages is a highly contaminated water system now

after spending months fighting the cholera outbreak that took 10,000 lives after the earthquake in 2010.

States of emergency in effect for North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida, some evacuations are taking place. But what's going to happen

with this system? What are the steering currents like? Well if you notice we still have a small eye, trying to close up somewhat. It went from a

category four down to a three. We believe there's enough warm water through the Bahamian island chain here for it to develop back into a

category four. That's a major hurricane.

The last time the U.S. had a land fall with a major hurricane which is a category three, four, or five was back in 2005. Wilma hit Florida. Same

year as Katrina. We went to entire alphabet and had to borrow six letters from the Greek alphabet to continue naming storms.

Look at the waves though. The southern waves coming up hitting the southern shore lines of the Bahama Islands to the north of the east. So we

still have nine meters of storm heights within the system. And the warnings are in place in red which include Florida.

When you talk the Bahamian island chain, there are 700 islands, believe it or not. Roughly 400,000 people live there, but more than half, 244,000 are

in Nassau. Look at larger island of Andros. If it takes a hit here and it puts Nassau in the strongest winds.

This is our own computer model here, the RPM, we call it here at CNN Weather Center, other models want to carry a land fall into the Cape

Canaveral. Kennedy Space Center is shut down. But even if it stays within this area and rakes the entire coastline with hurricane-force winds, there

are some power outage forecasts that say the U.S. could look at 17 million without power. If it doesn't make landfall in Florida, it's possible up in

the Carolinas.

What I want to show you is interesting. First, one track that gives us a time line here and the strengthening that will occur, but the computer

models called spaghetti plots. These are several different models. Typically, they come up on the east coast and they shove themselves up

north because high pressures over Bermuda. But if that high pressure slides towards the east coast, seven of the 12 models kick it back around

possibly for a second land fall. It does happen once in a while, but not very often.

Storm surge is going to be a big problem in the islands because the continental shelf, it's so shallow here, Clarissa, that it doesn't take

much to create a higher storm surge than we had in Haiti. There's a naval fleet leaving Norfolk Naval Station. They're going to bring a fleet here

with an aircraft carrier with helicopters with water, medical supply, and aids. Landslide threat still possible in eastern Cuba. Back to you.

WARD: OK, Tom, thank you. We'll be keeping a close eye on that.

Still to come tonight, the former high commissioner for refugees is now poised to become the next United Nations secretary general.

Also ahead, details of what could be a promising development for Syrian civilians trapped by the war in Aleppo. All that and much more when "The

World Right Now" returns.


WARD: Syria's military says it will scale back air strikes and shelling attacks on rebels in eastern Aleppo to allow civilians there to evacuate.

The state-run news agency broadcasts that message today two weeks after the government launched a fierce assault to recapture the area. The United

Nations says half of the nearly 300,000 residents of eastern Aleppo to want leave. It says some are taking desperate measures as food supplies shrink.

The French foreign minister is trying to revive a truce for Aleppo saying his country refuses to "close it's eyes and do nothing." Jean-Marc Ayrault

will travel to Russia and the United States to build support for a U.N. resolution that would pave the way for humanitarian aid.

Meantime the U.S. says it is concerned by Russia's deployment of a new anti-aircraft and anti-missile system to Syria, Russia says it is for

defensive purposes only. The U.S. and Russia are in a diplomatic stalemate over Syria after Washington broke off bilateral talks on a ceasefire

earlier this week.

Well let's talk more about all of this. We're joined now by senior international correspondent Frederik Pleitgen. Fred, you've just come

back, you've been in the -- rather the regime-held parts of Aleppo. What do you think the government's strategy is here? And is it working?

FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I think it's working to a certain extent. I mean looking at what they're doing right

now in Aleppo, it seems very similar to some of the things that they've done in homes, similar things for instance they've done in the district of

Deria, the Damascus suburb is that they besieged the area. They surround the area and then pound it from the outside. Like especially Russians and

the Syrian airports have been doing. And then they offer the opposition a deal. They say look, you guys leave this area, we go in, and then we allow

you safe passage into for instance Idlib.

And this creates obviously also to problem because essentially what you're doing is you're depopulating that area. So the regime gets it back, but

there's really no people left inside.

Now, that's been working to a certain extent. They have gotten some of those deals going. Unclear what's going to work here and I don't see any

sort of scenario where the regime forces would be strong enough to actually mount a full scale assault on Aleppo and actually take that area back.

WARD: And you mentioned Deria. I mean you just visited Deria.


WARD: What does this peace look like?

PLEITGEN: Well it's catastrophic in many way us. I mean you do obviously have civilians who are still inside who are now in the center for displaced

people. So, you know, certainly things have gotten better for them. But in the end, the way I always describe it is that you have basically no

winners. You have a lot of losers and a lot of scorched earth at end. I mean if you go through Deria right now, there's not a single building that

is affected. There's not a single place that isn't completely destroyed. So, it's hard to see what you've actually won in the end. Aside from, you

know, getting the rebels out of that area.

WARD: Exactly. Well, you also have been covering Russia very closely. There's a lot of talk at the moment about the U.S.-Russia relations, the

breakdown of the ceasefire and now of course moving this anti-aircraft weaponry into Syria. What kind of a message are the Russians trying to

send here? What's their strategy?

PLEITGEN: Yeah. Well, I think, first of all the message that, you know, they're there to stay and that's not going to change. They have that

strong presence in Syria. And it's one of the things that I've seen with the Russians, a sort of evolution over the past year where they've been

trying to showcase some of the things they've done in Syria, like for instance winning back Palmyra, trying to show what a big strength they have

in there, but it also of course shows the U.S. that it really, that the Russians are the ones who control Syria. The Russians can determine who

flies when/where over Syria. Because I mean, these anti-aircraft weapon that they've deployed now surely the U.S. jets would be able to suppress

those if they wanted to. But if we ever get to a situation where that happens, then we'd probably be very close to world war 3.

WARD: So do you think this is a warning in a sense in case you were having any ideas about changing your policy?

PLEITGEN: Yes. I think in a way. I mean, it also shows the deteriorating situation in general between these two parties that are supposed to be

trying to foster some sort of ceasefire which obviously hasn't happened, but it's also caused their bilateral relations to really hit Iraqi ground

very recently. But yeah, I do think it's a fairly clear message to the U.S. and its allies that the Russians are there to stay and that the Russians

very much control the part of Syria that they want to control. Because it doesn't look like they're trying to project very much power in the areas

controlled by ISIS, but really they are projecting a lot of power for instance in Aleppo and the northwest of Syria which they see as key to

their interests and obviously key to their client Bashar al-Assad as well.

WARD: Frederik Pleitgen, thank you so much as always.

Well a former U.N. official who championed the cause of refugees is now poised to become the organizations next secretary general. Antonio

Guterres led the U.N. Refugee Agency until last year. And today, the former Portuguese prime minister emerged as the Security Council's runaway


Our senior United Nations correspondent Richard Roth joins me now. Richard, tell me more about Mr. Guterres. Is this a surprise? Was this


RICHARD ROTH, CNN SENIOR UNITED NATIONS CORRESPONDENT: It wasn't expected today. And because Guterres had been the leader of five previous closed

door straw poll votes, many people thought he could be the person, but today was the first day that the big five powers could use vetoes if they

wanted to in effect start blocking candidates. Thus, the dramatic by U.N. standards moment, when the Security Council president, the ambassador from

Russia along with every other country in the council came out as the Russian ambassador made this announcement.


VITALY CHURKIN, U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL PRESIDENT: But today, after our six straw poll our clear favorite and his name is Antonio Guterres. And we

have decided to go for a formal vote tomorrow morning at 10:00. And we hope it can be done by acclamation. This is what we are looking at. So

tomorrow morning, acclamation and wish Mr. Guterres well in the his duties as the secretary general of the United Nations.


ROTH: You heard some woes there. I think that was from the media. The press gallery there because it wasn't expected, and especially as you just

talked with Fred Pleitgen about, huge divisions on issues such as Syria between the U.S. and Russia. Many thought there was going to be a big show

down. At the beginning of the meeting Samantha Power yelled out to the press, this is today going to be either the beginning of the end or the end

of the beginning. I asked her right after that announcement regarding the Guterres announcement.


SAMANTHA POWER, U.S. AMBASSADOR FOR THE UNITED NATIONS: I think the break through was the performance and experience of the candidate and

fundamentally for all of the divisions on the Security Council. We, I think, are united in understanding the gravity of the threats that are out



ROTH: The very late entry of a different Bulgarian candidate. That didn't work well because Kristalina Georgieva did not get that much votes in

favor. In fact, Clarissa, all of the women candidates, and there was a big push to have a woman this time for the first time to head the U.N., they

didn't score well. And also, Eastern Europe may be very disappointed. They felt it was that region's turn to host the U.N. top diplomat job,


WARD: Yeah, I think a lot of people were hoping that it might be a woman. Thank you very much, Richard.

Still ahead, cross border controversy. Donald Trump's anti-Mexican rhetoric has dominated headlines in that country. I asked former Mexican president

Felipe Calderon how he sees the U.S. presidential election. Stay with us.

And trying to calm brexit fears. Britain's prime minister lays out her vision for the country's future. Hear what she had to say about the path



WARD: Welcome back to the "World Right now". We are just waiting to it hear from President Obama. Here he is. He will be talking on climate

change. Let's dip in and take a listen.

OBAMA: . United States and China, the world's two largest economies and largest emitters, formerly joined that agreement together. And today, the

world has officially crossed the threshold for the Paris Agreement to take effect.

Today, the world meets the moment. And if we follow through on the commitments that this Paris Agreement embodies, history may well judge it

as a turning point for our planet. Of course it took a long time to reach this day. One of the reasons I ran for this office was to make America a

leader in this mission. And over the past eight years, we've done just that.

In 2009, we salvaged a chaotic climate summit in Copenhagen, establishing the principle that all nations have a role to play in combatting climate

change. And at home, we led by example with historic investments in growing industries like wind and solar that created a steady stream of new

jobs. We set the first ever nationwide standards to limit the amount of carbon pollution that power plants can dump into the air our children

breathe. From the cars and trucks we drive to the homes and businesses in which we live and work. We've changed fundamentally the way we consume


Now, keep in mind the skeptic said these actions would kill jobs. And instead we saw even as we were bringing down these carbon levels, the

longest streak of job creation in American history. We drove economic output to new highs, and we drove our carbon pollution to its lowest levels

in two decades. We continued to lead by example with our historic joint announcement with China two years ago where we put forward even more

ambitious climate targets. And that achievement encouraged dozens of other countries to set more ambitious climate targets of their own. And that in

term paved the way for our success in Paris. The idea that no nation, not even one as powerful as ours can solve this challenge alone. All of us

have to solve it together.

Now, the Paris Agreement alone will not solve the climate crisis. Even if we meet every target embodied in the agreement will only get to part of

where we need to go. But make no mistake, this agreement will help delay or avoid some of the worst consequences of climate change. It will help

other nations ratchet down their dangerous carbon emissions over time and set bolder targets as technology advances. All under a strong system of

transparency that allows each nation to evaluate the progress of all other nations.

And by sending a signal that this is going to be our future, a clean energy future, it opens up the flood gates for businesses and scientists and

engineers to unleash high tech low carbon investment and innovation at a scale that we've never seen before. So, this gives us the best possible

shot to save the one planet we've got. I know diplomacy can be easy and progress on the world stage can sometimes be slow. But, together with

steady process and effort with strong principled American leadership, with optimism and faith and hope, we're proving that it is possible and I want

to embarrass my senior advisor Brian Deese, he is standing right over there, because he worked tirelessly to make this deal possible. He and

John Kerry, Gina McCarthy at the EPA, everybody on their teams have done an extraordinary job to get us to this point. And America should be as proud

of them as I am of them.

I also want to thank the people of every nation that has moved quickly to bring the Paris Agreement into force. I encourage folks who have not yet

submitted their documentation to enter into this agreement to do so as soon as possible. And in the coming days, let's help finish additional

agreements to limit aviation emissions to phase down dangerous use of hydrochloric carbons. All of which will help build a world that is safer

and more prosperous, and more secure, and more free than the one that was left for us. That's our most important mission. To make sure our kids and

our grand kids have at least as beautiful a planet and hopefully even more beautiful than the one that we have.

And today, I'm a little more confident that we can get the job done. So, thank you very much everybody.

WARD: And that was the president of the United States, Barack Obama there. You heard him saying this is the best shot to save the planet. Today, he

said, the world meets the moment talking of course about a worldwide agreement on climate change in Paris, that climate change agreement will

now go into effect within 30 days.

And this news comes as a new report is out that is pushing for sustainable investment. Earlier on, I got to chat to the former Mexican President

Felipe Calderon about this report. He's a major part of the report. It's being released tomorrow. I talk to him about the contents of it and the

Paris agreement. And I also asked him whether U.S.-Mexico relations can prosperous if Trump is elected. But we began by getting his thoughts on

how growth can be more green.


FELIPE CALDERON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF MEXICO: We are making the point that it is possible to have economic growth and at the same time to tackle

climate change by reducing carbon emissions. And tomorrow, we are launching a new report related with the sustainable infrastructure in which

we are providing our research on several suggestions to foster sustainable infrastructure and not only to reduce carbon emission, but also to falter

economic growth.

WARD: I want to if you'll permit me just pivot away from this report for a moment to look at another big story in the news. I'm sure you're no

stranger to it. The U.S. presidential election. I wonder how closely have you been watching the debates. Do you have any thoughts on the election?

CALRDERON: Well, I respect the opinion on the decision of the American people. And of course has implications for my own people and country.

What I can say is whoever tries to hurt Mexican economy and Mexican people will hurt American economy because for instance, pushing back people and

trying to reach whole heart immigration do damage to Mexico economy on the contrary. You will improve the incentive for more immigration.

So the best way to fix that is to understand that Mexico and the United States, we are not only neighbors, but also allies and we can be partners.

And that we can grow together, we can put spirit together and that should be in the mind of any serious leader in the world.

WARD: And can you grow together and prosper together you think if Donald Trump wins this election?

CALDERON: It's not my call, but honestly, I doubt it. I don't think it.

WARD: Why exactly? Because too much has been said, because there have been too many insults, or because you think there'll be a substantial

difference in policy?

CALDERON: Well, you can choose all, all above. So there have been a lot of insults and there have been not very rational, but fascinated arguments,

but to be serious again, we need to understand that millions of jobs -- pf American workers depend of Mexican economy. We are the second largest

buyer of American products. 1.1 million jobs in America that are directly export to Mexico.

And if you consider the whole trade work probably, roughly seven million families in the United States depends on the trade with Mexico. We have

more than minute for minute trade between the United States and Mexico.

And preventing trade hurting economic activity will destroy millions and millions of jobs in the United States. Not only in Mexico. And you want

to repress the Mexican economy, you want to cancel the transfer of money from families in Mexico. What you are going to do is destroy the Mexican

economy with huge consequences for the American economy. I think a teenager can't understand that. But sometimes you cannot.


WARD: Trying to calm Brexit fears as the pound falls another day. Hear what Britain's prime minister had to say about the path forward this is

"The World Right Now."


WARD: Tuesday was an ugly day for the British pound as it slumped to a 31- year low. On Wednesday it seemed to flat line hovering around a similar level. That fall was brought on by fears that Britain's divorce from the

European Union could be bitter and costly. The woman who will try and steer the country through the rough waters of those negotiations is of

course Prime Minister Theresa May.

Earlier, she tried to soothe those economic fears, laying out her vision of a post-brexit Britain at the Conservative Party Conference. Describing

brexit as a "Quiet revolution, "she called for a united Britain rooted in a center ground. Well, that's what she said, but how it was received? Let's

go live now to Birmingham and speak to Max Foster. Max, what are they saying? What's been the reaction?

MAX FOSTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, she did get a good response. And what she's trying to do is steer this huge ship, which is the ruling

conservative party and it's still split. It used to be split along pro- European, anti-European lines. Now everyone's pretty much accepted the president's leaving the European Union, but they are split on how they

should leave the European Union.

Earlier this week, Clarissa, we were talking about how Theresa May is trying to sort of timetable an exit from the European Union which

ultimately means Britain will leave by the end of the decade. But she also today addressed in her keynote speech something else came out of that

referendum. And that was a vote against the establishment. A vote by working people against a system that they felt wasn't working for them.

So, what Theresa May was doing was trying to address that concern that came out of the referendum saying Britain needs to move together, closer to the

center ground so the Conservative Party needs to meet them there. Needs to be a center political party. And this is how she described that part of

her speech today.


THERESA MAY, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: Yet within our society today, we see division and unfairness all around. Between a more prosperous, older

generation and a struggling younger generation. Between the wealth of London and the rest of the country. But perhaps most of all, between the

rich, the successful, and the powerful, and their fellow citizens.


FOSTER: So this is Theresa May going to the center of politics. Many people today describing her, Clarissa, is the end of love. That's what he

so successfully did. But the Labor Party, which is ironic at the moment considering she's from the other side of the political spectrum, but

there's certainly that space in the middle and that's what she wants to move towards and she's finally had justification that big protest vote

against the establishment that came out in the referendum.

WARD: So Max, I mean, it appears she's clearly trying to almost rebrand the Conservative Party as a much more compassionate party, a less elitist

party, but I just wonder, privately, are you hearing that conservatives are not, are concerned about the fact that the pound has plummeted as we just

described, about the fact that a lot of businesses are starting to get cold feet about what will come ahead once Article 50 is triggered by the end of

march. Do you get the sense from Tory party members who you speak to that privately behind closed doors while all these words sound nice that perhaps

there are some real concerns there?

FOSTER: Well, certainly people I spoken to are giving her the benefit of the doubt because she is steering the ship. Everyone sees an opportunity

for the conservative party to be able to sort of capitalize on the vacuum that's been left by, you know, complete sort of implosions on the labor

side, on the U.K. Independence Party side. There's an opportunity for the conservatives to do really well out of this. So they're giving her the

benefit of the doubt.

But it's how she implements these changes and when she gets into the detail whether or not that works for everyone in the party. And there are huge

divergences of view within the party. But there's certainly a will for her to succeed on this. So it's going to be about whether or not she can steer

that cabinet which is absolutely split.

But even today, she was -- she has to give support to the pound in her speech today, because she suggested that policy perhaps had been a bit too

slack in recent times. It benefits the people who were asset rich. And that wasn't necessarily the typical member of the British public.

So, on the basis of that, you saw perhaps a sense of tightening of money policy putting pressure on the Bank of England in that way. She's allowed

to do that. And that was perhaps something that encouraged the markets. And you've got to remember as well, Clarissa, yesterday, FTSE 100 index was

up significantly because there was a huge amount of exporters in the country who were going benefit from a weaker pound. So at the moment, I

think pretty much everyone sheer holding judgment.

WARD: Some silver linings out there, Max Foster with us, all of this week, thank you so much.

Well Nigel Farage is back at the helm of the U.K. Independence Party again. That's because Diane James quit after just 18 days in charge. She told the

Times Newspaper she left because she did not have the quote, "Sufficient authority, "or the full support of colleagues. Farage says he does not the

job back on a full term basis.

Coming up, a new patent for Apple could mean a very big change for how you use your iPhone. Hear what it is, next.


WARD: Five-time grand slam tennis champion Maria Sharapova will return to the court much sooner than she first thought. The Russian's star two-year

ban for doping has been reduced to 15 months. CNN World Sport Alex Thomas got a chance to speak to her.


ALEX THOMAS, CNN WORLD SPORT: The Court of Arbitration for Sports said this is definitely not a case of an intentional doper. But it wasn't a

complete success. They reduced your ban to 15 months. Do you feel like you've cleared your name?

MARIA SHARAPOVA, FIVE-TIME TENNIS GRAND SLAM CHAMPION: Well the lowest I could have received under the current rules of the ITF is one year. And I

received 15 months. And that in the report, the reason I received 15 months was because I didn't delegate the way that my manager at end of

last year was checking prohibited list.

So, you know, I have been asked the question if I had been treated fairly or not. And the ITF asked for me to be banned for four years. And is that

fair? No. I don't believe that's fair at all.

THOMAS: But do you think you'll continue to be called a cheat by many on social media?

SHARAPOVA: Well, social media's a big part of our society. And there's a lot of things that you can be called on social media that you just have to


And as I said, it's part of our society. I know who I am. And I know how I've played the sport since I was a young girl with integrity. I've never

taken the easy way out. I'm one of the biggest fighters in the game. I love, I love what I do. And I will continue to keep doing it and forming

my legacy.


WARD: Apple has been trying to change the tech game by getting rid of the headphone jack. Well, are they trying to do it again? It has been granted

a patent for a new screen-based fingerprint sensor which could mean the end of the home screen. Well, gets more on this. Samuel Burke is here with me

in the studio. Samuel, (inaudible) confession. Why do they keep getting rid of things?

SAMUEL BURKE, CNN MONEY TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: Praise, later, complain now, this is what always happens with Apple. People just can't live

without the headphone jack and then later on, whether it's the DVD drive which they got rid off or whether it's the battery and the iPhone and

removable battery that is or the floppy drive and people never really miss it later.

It's all about tradeoffs and what they want to do just like with the headphone jack. They want more space for a better battery and in the case

of this getting rid of the button, the home button, it could mean they have a screen. So the screen might be the whole phone, but you've had it for so

long. It's hard to say good-bye.

WARD: So there's hope. We can adapt.

BURKE: Hopefully. I can. I don't' know about it.

WARD: So, Google now is trying to capitalize on iPhone getting rid of the headphone jack.

BURKE: That's right. They just came out with a new line of phones. They're called the pixels, in the advertisements which I think we have --

they actually are pointing to the fact, marketing themselves as we're the ones with the headphone jack now. But these pixel phones which were called

Nexus before, very good quality phones always but they've never done that well in the market especially compared to Apple and the iPhone.

WARD: And another thing I wanted to ask you about some consumers may not be happy the change in Google's T.V. streaming device, talk me through


BURKE: So which device to you use?

WARD: I use .

BURKE: You must have a T.V. streaming. This Apple T.V. .

WARD: I use Netflix, I use Apple T.V., I use .

BURKE: OK. So you're an Apple T.V. person.

WARD: I've been outed.

BURKE: These devices allow you to watch anything you might have on your phone or tablet, these T.V. streaming devices on your television. And

Google's actually done very well with the Chrome cast which is what you're seeing on the screen right now. It costs a lot less than any of the other

devices like the Apple T.V. that Clarissa has.

But now the sudden they're bumping the price up to almost $70, and this is a device that used to cost just over 30 bucks. I actually think you might

want to just go back and buy the old one if you need a new one. The only big change on this device is 4k television. So if we thought we looked bad

in HD, they'll be able to see every last pour that we have on 4k.

WARD: So who's the target here? Who do they think is going to cough up the extra 40 bucks?

BURKE: I think that they're really trying go after Apple's market here. Apple charges almost $200 for their device and I think they're looking over

at Apple and saying, well, we'd like to have some of that pie especially in they can charge so much more. But what's interesting here, the biggest

slice is another pie is actually real cool, get another T.V. streaming device. And they have about 50 percent of the market and with prices like

that. I think they're going to hold on to 50 percent of the market.

WARD: Samuel Burke, thank you for breaking it down for us.

Well, there is widespread anger in Russia this week, not over the war in Syria or the unrest in Eastern Ukraine, but rather over a pop song.

British singer Robby Williams is back with a new sing that some say takes aim squarely at the Russian president. Jonathan Mann explains.


JONATHAN MANN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The new video from British pop star Robbie Williams features ballerinas, beats, and according to some

critics, crude stereotypes of the Russian people.

Williams sings about Russian vodka, nesting dolls, and samples the famous Prokofiev ballet Romeo and Juliet.

His lyrics include " Ain't no refutin' or disputin -- I'm a modern Rasputin." The speculation the song is poking fun at Russian president

Vladimir Putin. With at least one Moscow tabloid demanding Williams never be allowed to perform in Russia again. But the pop star defended himself

on Twitter saying, "This song is definitely not about Mr. Putin." On the streets of Moscow, reaction to the song was mixed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): The soul is here different. The atmosphere, the way the people are is different. It's not like that. I

wouldn't say it was like this in Russia. It's similar to Russia, but the Russia of the 18th century. It's pretty. I like it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Russians can go out and party harder than that.

MANN: While on Russian state T.V., a Moscow music producer claims Williams is just trying to cash in by courting controversy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): We're currently at a time when Russia is news maker number one, and it seems Robbie Williams has tried to

increase his popularity with this.

MANN: For his part, Williams tells a British newspaper he wasn't out to offend Russians, and even toned down his origin lyrics to make the song

politically correct. Whether that worked, the answer would appear to be yet. Jonathan Mann, CNN.


WARD: Well does the name Rod Temperton rings a bell? The British song writer has died of cancer age 66. He might not be a household name, but

some of his songs are absolute pop classics. Here's one of his best known.

Rod Temperton wrote that song for Michael Jackson and still sells more than 100,000 copies per year. He also collaborated with the king of pop on this

well-known tune.

Temperton also worked with the likes of Aretha Franklin, Quincy Jones, and Lionel Richie. Tributes are being paid by major figures in the world of


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