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Hurricane Could Make Landfall In Florida By Friday; Scathing U.S. Rebuke Of Israeli Construction Plans; Impact Of First Presidential Debate In Key Swing State; NSA Contractor Charged With Theft Of Government Property; Asylum Seekers Who Hid Edward Snowden Speak Out

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CLARISSA WARD, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello. I'm Clarissa Ward sitting in for Hala Gorani. We are live at CNN London and this is THE WORLD RIGHT


Already deadly and getting even more dangerous. Hurricane Matthew is gaining strength and is now a Category 4 storm. It is pummeling the

Bahamas right now and taking aim at the U.S. state of Florida.

Residents there are bracing for a direct hit amid a massive logistical operation. President Obama declared a state of emergency in Florida a

short while ago. More than two million people are being urge today leave their homes in three states.

In South Carolina, cars packing highways as officials ordered evacuations for several areas. Meanwhile, authorities in Georgia declaring a state of

emergency in 30 counties.

They're not taking any chances. At least 113 people have been killed in Hurricane Matthew so far and some people put the numbers much higher. It

was Florida's Governor Rick Scott who gave the most serious warning over just how dangerous the storm could be.


RICK SCOTT, FLORIDA GOVERNOR: There are no excuses, you need to leave. Evacuate, evacuate, evacuate. If you need to evacuate and you haven't,

evacuate. The storm will kill you. Time is running out and we don't have that much time left.


WARD: Let's get the latest now from the storm zone. Nick Valencia is in West Palm Beach, Florida and joins us. I mean, you heard the governor

there, Nick. What are you seeing?

NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A dire warning from Florida Governor Rick Scott telling people to evacuate, get out of town, stay out of the

water. Unfortunately, Clarissa, that is all of what we have seen.

Earlier today, we saw at least three surfers in the ocean even though they're not supposed to be in the water, an area of town that was under a

mandatory evacuation. Still residents were not heeding that warning.

I spoke to the mayor earlier today. She tells me that more than half of the residents are deciding to stick out the storm against her word. That

really troubles her because they put first responders in a precarious position.

There are others, though, that are paying attention to those warnings. We're joined now by a couple, the Borelis (ph), that are staying. So what

are you, guys, going through right now? You evacuated and now you're staying in this hotel?

We are, we decided not to take the risk because we're right on the water, on the inner coastal water way and we are in a flood zone. So we didn't

want that risk. We have been through three other hurricanes and we got very lucky, but we wanted to heed the warning this time and just be on the

safe side.

VALENCIA: And Dennis, you've seen the weather ebb and flow. You've seen the rain sort of pick up, and now it's kind of calmed down. The wind is

back and forth. What do you think? Are you nervous at all about what's going to happen or what's your sentiment?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have been through it before, and I can't say what I want to say. I want to stay here. If the wife wants to stay in a hotel,

that's where we'll stay.

VALENCIA: So you feel safer. You feel like this is close enough space?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: More secure here than it is. We're right on the inner coastal.

VALENCIA: So what do you say to those people who are deciding to stick out the storm in their homes, who aren't listening to the governor or the

mayor, what do you think about them?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think they're insane. We have all kinds of palm trees and everything right in front of our building, you know, so good luck

to them.

VALENCIA: What concerns you as the hours sort of inch closer to the eminent landfall of Hurricane Matthew?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean, I'm really worries about people, friends of ours who are on low lying lands and a lot of people who have been here

through other hurricanes, you know, they feel that they weathered those storms and they'll weather this one as well, which they probably will. But

you know, we're worried about the danger. We have very brave neighbors and they are hanging tough so we are just praying for everybody.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They don't realize how close this one is coming.

VALENCIA: Are you anticipating staying here for a while or for how many days?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think we just moved in permanent. We're going to stay here. It's nice and cozy.

VALENCIA: We'll let you get comfortable here. Thank you so much for taking time. Best luck. We hope your home stay safe in all of this.

It really is a desperate situation for a lot of people here as those hours inch closer, Clarissa. We are expecting landfall here perhaps later this

evening into the overnight hours.

[15:05:07]I mentioned that weather has ebbed and flowed. The mayor tells me a short time ago still no power outages here in West Palm Beach, but

that could change very quickly -- Clarissa.

WARD: So Nick, do you have a sense of why the governor issued such a stern warning? What makes this hurricane different?

VALENCIA: Well, these weather models have been forecasting all week long the direct impact and hit on the Florida's coast. So I think the governor

was trying to get in front of anyone that wanted to challenge their curiosity or their courage of getting out and what we saw those surfers in

the water today.

Residents were just gawking at the elements as this storm surge has picked up the waters. This is a serious storm and it has been forecasted to be as


Two million residents have moved here since the last storm ten years ago. So you have people that are going through for the first time. I think he

wanted to speak clearly and directly to a lot of those new residents who may be taking this a little lightly -- Clarissa.

WARD: OK, Nick Valencia in West Palm Beach, Florida. Thank you so much.

As you can imagine thousands of flights are being canceled as the hurricane moves towards Florida. So let's track where it's heading right now.

Tom Sater is with us from the International Weather Center with the latest. Tom, when is it going to make land fall and is it going to be as bad as

everybody is worried?

TOM SATER, AMS METEOROLOGIST: It looks like -- if it makes landfall. I mean, there is still, you know, it's still up in the air just a little bit.

I mean, it's going to hug the coast, which could be worse than a landfall, believe or not.

But after the midnight hour, we'll really start to get a better idea if it's got actually move on land. But here's one thing to know and remember

today is day 4,000 since the U.S. had a major hurricane make landfall.

We didn't really even have the technology to take video with cell phones back there. There was millions of Americans that have moved to this area

that have never experienced anything like this.

After the 700 islands in the Bahamian chain put up with this, it moved in toward Nassau and moved through. Now that's the majority of their

population in 245,000. Freeport is next. The computer models really want to hug the coast here.

But first we are already seeing feeder bands and the rains which do have thunderstorms start to approach South Florida. It has been raining. Waves

are picking up, but can you imagine what we're going to see here in Florida?

You have 29 million Americans, and there are waves that are 20 to 40 feet high. That's over 12, maybe 13 meters from Jacksonville all the way down

to Miami. The force of that water and wave will shove the water in a storm surge in every little inlet and canal.

Now the population, this is what makes it a little different, Haiti was devastated by this. Their death toll is up to 108, 80 percent of their

crops are out, 10 million live there, but there are many more millions if you follow the bright colors all the way up the coast.

It would almost be better to have a landfall and sustain catastrophic damage in one area for six or seven hours. But the National Hurricane

Center has it making this way along the coast, which is about a 24-hour event.

So millions that live on the coastline are going to be experience hurricane winds, storm surge over 9 meter, 300 millimeters of rainfall, but what is

this going on? High pressure is developing in the southeastern U.S.

The models bringing up the coast, but it stunts the movement northward, Clarissa. Watch what happens, a good 12 of these models want to bring it

around for a possible second landfall.

So we're going to have to watch this hour by hour, but it is going to put up with a major damage here along the entire coastline with the surge, the

heavy rainfall, the flooding, and the hurricane winds.

It's like a small tornado rip through every single community one after another after another. It could be catastrophic, no doubt.

WARD: OK, Tom Sater, we will be following the story throughout the hour, thank you so much.

Now to a shocking altercation at the European parliament that left a British lawmaker in the hospital. Steven Woolfe, a leading of the UK

Independence Party known as UKIP collapsed after the confrontation at a meeting with party members.

This video reportedly shows Woolfe being treated by paramedics. Woolfe has since released a statement saying that he is feeling better but is staying

in the hospital overnight.

Well, let's get more on this. Phil Black joins me here live in the studio. Phil, what happened?

PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: An excellent question. Violence, altercation, well, they're calling it an altercation, but for you and I

that means a punch up, right. Punches were thrown, Steven Woolfe was hit. This is a meeting of UKIP members, those who sit in the European


And at some point this happened. No one has really said publicly what or why it was all about. And so a short time after he collapsed, and

apparently experienced a number of seizures, then he was unconscious.

There was real concern for his life. He was rushed to hospital and then later he released a statement saying that he was conscious, but he had to

undergo a CT scan.

[15:10:00]No blood clot was found, feeling much better, he said, except, and this would have to be a concern, he is still a little numb down the

left side of his face, but he is in the hospital and he is undergoing through the tests.

WARD: Certainly what appeared to be a concern, and this is obviously very embarrassing for UKIP. I mean, we see this happening in Ukraine and South

Korea. We don't expect it to happen here necessarily. What is Nigel Farage saying about it?

BLACK: He said something very similar. He said this is the sort of thing you see in, quote, "Third world parliaments." He also with something of an

understatement that this was "not very grown up." But he said the party is going to have an inquiry, they are going to clear it up, take a listen now.


NIGEL FARAGE, UK INDEPENDENT PARTY LEADER: I have no doubt that he will be laid up for a little bit after this. He has been through quite a big shock

today. As for the events that led up to it, well, it's two grown men getting involved in an altercation. It's not very seemly behavior, but I'm

not today going to get involved in the blame game and name names and say who did what, but it shouldn't have happened.


BLACK: So another under statement there, really, but he says he was in the room. This happened slightly out of the room so he didn't actually see

what he calls the altercation, but he won't name names anyway.

WARD: Are we talking potentially about criminal charges here though?

BLACK: Well, so far the police said they haven't received a complaint, they weren't notified about this, and they are not investigating. So it

would seem not, but this is an internal party matter and it matters because it is a party that is electoral supported particular.

It's influence is growing through its nationalist bureau skeptic, very tough on immigration policies. All of which experience a very strong

political win in securing Britain's exit from the E.U. recently.

We know that the support for UKIP was one of the reasons that David Cameron thought it was a create idea to call that referendum in the first place.

All of this as this party is now experiencing another leadership contest because Nigel Farage has stepped down.

So has the person who was just elected to replace him so the party would seem in something of a chaotic state, and to the point where, yes, violence

at its meetings.

WARD: Back in the spotlight and not in a good way. Phil Black, thank you.

Well, earlier I spoke to Neil Hamilton, he is UKIP's leader in the Welsh Assembly. I began by asking him if altercations like this are normal in

his party.


NEIL HAMILTON, UKIP LEADER, WELSH ASSEMBLY (via telephone): Passions are obviously running high. We have a party leadership election in prospect

for the second time in a few weeks because the person who is elected, Diane James, just a few weeks ago, resigned after 18 days.

And for one reason or another, there has been all sorts of personality feuds and disputes at the top of UKIP recently, and clearly this has

spilled over now into this fistfight because Steven Woolfe, who wasn't an election in the last (inaudible) of election.

He missed the deadline by 17 minutes and he will be a candidate in this election, and yet last week apparently he was thinking about defecting to

another party so imagine that's what may be behind the argument and things got out of control, and by no means usual in our party. I can't remember

in 15 years anything like it before so I hope it will never happen again.

WARD: Are you not mortified?

HAMILTON: Yes, I think it is pretty appalling behavior. It takes two to tango so both of them are at fault, and it shouldn't happened and I hope it

never happen again.

WARD: You said that you have never seen anything like this in your party's history, but your own wife has been vocal about the culture of bullying

that exists in UKIP party.

HAMILTON: Yes, there has been a lot of unpleasantness online in particular and this should not be tolerated. Unfortunately, nothing has been done

about it and first been allowed to fester. I know that internet (inaudible) is a disease of the modern age, but it shouldn't happen within

the political party by one member against another.


WARD: That was Neil Hamilton, UKIP's leader in the Welsh Assembly. Woolfe's collapse is just the latest incident in a turbulent week for the

party. He is a contender to be their leader. Diane James left on Tuesday after just 18 days.

Let's talk to now with Raheem Kassam, who is also running for that leadership role. He joins me now from Washington. I mean, Rahim, you

heard -- you heard there Neil Hamilton saying both of them are at fault, but the reality is one man threw punches and another man ended up in

hospital, what's your response to what you just heard?

RAHEEM KASSAM, STANDING FOR UKIP LEADERSHIP: I would like to be clear from the outset that Neil Hamilton has some goal speaking out against bullying

behavior. This is one of the main bullies in UKIP. This man is one of the people who is behind this toxic behavior in the party.

[15:15:04]I think he should be ashamed of himself and I think actually, you know, I can sit here in front of you and say I think we have all been

guilty over the last few years especially of throwing around name calling for instance and that sort of thing.

This incident today advices us very clearly that it is time to grow up. However, this is not something that is unique to UKIP. In 2012, you had a

Labour Party MP punching a Conservative Party MP and a Labour Party MP in the House of Commons, but this is a contemporary example of what UKIP's

problems are.

There is an existential crisis in the party. It currently doesn't know where it goes from here in a post referendum world. The MEPs in Brussels

and Strasberg don't know what they're doing for income in two years, there is no party leader.

And so tensions are very much high at the moment inside the party and I'm afraid it looks like it has spilled over into what I would described as a

very human event, a very regrettable event.

But actually I just got off of the phone with Nigel Farage, the interim leader, and I've just exchange text messages with Steven Woolfe a few

moments ago, and there is actually not a clear idea of what happened yet whether it was punching or pushing. Steven is understood to have fallen

into a bar or a glass --

WARD: I'm sorry. Let me just interrupt you there. There were at least a dozen people in the room. I find it difficult to believe that nobody saw

what happened.

KASSAM: No, I don't think there was a dozen people in the room. These two people left the room. I'm not saying that there wasn't anybody standing by

and hopefully there will be CCTV footage from the parliament building that will help clarify this stuff.

But that is why Nigel has announced an investigation rather than wild speculation as to what happened and attributing blame here and there.

And it must be said because I know these two men very well who are involved in this incident. It must be said that the person who is alleged to have

pushed or punched Mr. Woolfe is now denying touching him.

So let's just wait until the fact come out. Let's ascertain some facts. Let's have an investigation and then we can see how we can move positively

forward as a party and avoid things like this in the future.

WARD: OK, thank you very much for your perspective, Raheem Kassam.

Still to come tonight, dire warnings about what could happen to the besieged Syrian city of Aleppo. We'll have that and other new developments

in the conflict.

And then a scathing rebuke of Israel by one of its strongest allies. Why the United States says new construction plans are another step towards,

quote, "Perpetual occupation of the Palestinians." Stay with us.



WARD: We want to focus on the conflict in Syria now and there are many developments to report. First, more warnings from Russia about potential

U.S. military action against Syrian government troops. The Russian Defense Ministry says it will consider any U.S. missile or air strikes, quote, "An

obvious threat to the Russian military."

It comes as the French foreign minister tries to gain support for a draft U.N. resolution on ending the hostilities in Aleppo. The Assad regime has

vowed to retake rebel-held areas there.

And though there has been a lull in the bombardment, the U.N. envoy to Syria says Aleppo could be destroyed by the end of the year.


STAFFAN DE MISTURA, U.N. SPECIAL ENVOY FOR SYRIA: To continue this type of -- this level of fighting using that type of weapons, and defacto destroy

the whole city, eastern city of Aleppo. An ancient city of Aleppo which is home to 275,000 people for the sake of eliminating 1,000 al-Nusra fighters.


WARD: The violence isn't limited to Aleppo. A bomb hit the headquarters of the White Helmets, the volunteer rescue force in the capital of Damascus

and in the Damascus suburb of Darayya, a secret underground world once provided a precious refuge from the horrors of war. A library now it lies

in ruins.

Senior international correspondent, Frederick Pleitgen has this rare report from inside Syria.


FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): For almost four years, this was the reality in Darayya, a suburb of

Damascus controlled by the rebels, but besieged by Syrian government forces.

Amid the shelling, the shortages of food, water, and medicine, a space of quiet and reading, solace, a secret underground library. The chief

librarian, a 14-year-old boy named Amjad (ph).

I like the place and I like learning things. I like to read, Amjad told us. In August, the rebels made a deal with the Syrian government for free

passage out of Darayya in return for government control of the district.

We were one of the first crews to make it in after the evacuation amid the flattened and damaged buildings, all of a sudden we noticed soldiers taking

books from a basement.

The former secret library of Darayya, books across the floor, many volumes already gone, but the order of a library still clearly visible.

(on camera): Almost the entire time of the siege, the underground library here was a sanctuary, especially for the children of Darayya, many of whom

would come here braving the dangers to read in peace.

(voice-over): All civilians have now left Darayya, but we found the former librarian, Amjad, in a displaced camp outside Damascus. His eyes hit up

when we told him we found the library.

I would work for hours in the library, he said. I would go in at 1:00 and come back at 5:00. I was responsible for everything.

For years the library was the only escape he and the others had from the shelling that killed and wounded so many. Amjad is clear on just how

special it was.

I cried the last time I was there, he said, I used to love it so much. Darayya is now destroyed and abandoned. The underground library is gone,

but it will always hold a special place for Amjad and the others. A quiet space in the hell they faced for almost four years. Fred Pleitgen, CNN,

Dahria, Syria.


WARD: The United States says Israel has broken its word on new settlement construction accusing it of damaging prospects for peace with the

Palestinians. Washington is blasting Israel's plans for new housing in the West Bank, but as Oren Liebermann reports Israel says the new construction

is not a settlement at all.


OREN LIEBERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The U.S. with scathing criticism of Israel for what the U.S. calls plans to build a new settlement. Israel

says it's not a new settlement at all, an expansion of an existing settlement it says.

The area is the area here behind me where the construction would be. Israel says it's an expansion of the settlement of Shilo, a settlement in

the northern part of the West Bank.

Israel says the purpose of these homes is replacement homes for illegal settler homes that are scheduled to be demolished by Christmas. That is an

argument the U.S. isn't buying. Here is White House Spokesman Josh Earnest.


JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The settlement's planned location is deep in the West Bank. In fact the settlement location is far

closer to Jordan than it is to Israel. It would effectively link a string of outposts that could divide the West Bank.

[15:25:09]And it would make the possibility of a viable Palestinian state all the more remote.


LIEBERMANN: It is worth noting that in the planning papers for this new construction, it is supposed to have its own municipal and public buildings

and it's supposed to be functionally independent from the rest of the settlement of Shilo.

As far as the U.S. is concerned, that would make it the first new settlement in the West Bank in more than two decades. Palestinian leaders

also offering a scathing criticism of this construction.

(Inaudible) secretary general, (inaudible) says this is a further move from the, quote, "right wing extremist Israeli government in violation of

international law." He also says the continued expansion and growth of settlements is a way for Israel to end the peace process.

Meanwhile, Israel says settlements are open to negotiations in a final status agreement. In the Shilo Settlement in the West Bank, Oren

Liebermann, CNN.


WARD: Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has left the hospital after tests on his heart. He waved to reporters in Ramallah as he headed

home and say he's doing fine. Doctors say they performed routine procedures on the 81-year-old leader including a catheterization which

typically checks for heart disease. They say all the results appear to be normal.

Coming up, we'll return to our top sorry, a deadly hurricane is on course to hit the southeastern U.S. as Haiti tries to come to grips with what

Matthew left behind. Also ahead --


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Before you watch the debate, who were you going to vote for?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the debate ended, what do you think?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Totally convinced Hillary Clinton.


WARD: It seems debates do matter in the race for the White House. We'll see how some voters had a change of heart after Donald Trump and Hillary

Clinton went head to head. Stay with us.


WARD: Welcome back, let's take a look at that hour's top stories. The southeastern U.S. is bracing for a direct hit from Hurricane Matthew as the

death toll from the storm rises to at least 113 people across the Caribbean.

An official with the aid agency CARE reports complete destruction in the Haitian city of Jeremy. He says 80 percent of the buildings are gone and

all phone lines and electricity are down. We'll have more on Hurricane Matthew in just a few moments.

British lawmakers, Steven Woolfe says he is feeling brighter, happier, and smiling as ever. After collapsing in the European parliament, Woolfe, and

MEP for the UK Independence Party fell ill following an altercation at a meeting between party members.

Also among our headlines, more warnings from Russia about potential U.S. military action against Syrian government troops. The Russian Defense

Ministry says it would consider any U.S. missile or air strikes, quote, "An obvious threat to the Russian military."

Time is running out for millions of Americans to get out of the way of a deadly hurricane. It's on course to hit the southeastern U.S. by Friday


Jennifer Gray joins me now from Melbourne, Florida. Jennifer, what are you hearing? What's the latest?

JENNIFER GRAY, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Well, we are right between some of those rain bands. If we pan just off this mainland, you can see we are about to

get another one. It's headed our way. I imagine it would be here in the next 30 seconds to minute or so.

Beyond that you can barely see that is the Barrier Island. That's Melbourne beach that was ordered mandatory evacuation. Storm surge is

expected to reach three meters in this location. So it will be above my head in the next 12 hours or so.

That's why they want everyone in those low lying areas, all of those barrier islands to get up. But, the bridges that span, you can't even see

it because of the rain now, but the bridges you do not want to be traveling across those in the next couple hours.

Conditions are expected to continue to deteriorate. We imagine it could deteriorate quite a bit by the time we get into the overnight hours. It's

expecting to reach the coast of Florida, but basically just brush up the coast.

We're talking about 225 kilometer per hour sustained winds with gusts even higher. We could see conditions along the Florida coast that are extremely

bad for at least 12 hours or so. It will just ride up that coastline.

This could be the worst storm that this side has seen in a decade since Hurricane Andrew in 1992. Officials are concerned about complacency. They

have urged people to seek shelter, move inland. This is not a storm you want to mess with.

This is a strong Category 4 storm and could remain a Category 4 for the next couple of days. So this storm is inching closer, and as we go into

the overnight hours, wee hours of the morning, we will be able to tell the sheer strength of this storm.

But I can tell you even just these feeder bans, the storm more than 100 kilometers away and the winds are extremely strong and it is only the

beginning, it's going to get much worse than this.

WARD: And Jennifer, just quickly, are people heeding the warnings? Are they leaving? Are they evacuating?

GRAY: We hope so. We called one of the emergency official for this stretch of beach in front of us, and they said we really don't know how

many people got out. The only way we will know is during the height of the storm if they start getting calls of people wanting to be rescued.

That's the dilemma, once this storm begins and it gets really bad, they aren't going to be able to get to those people and so that's why they

wanted them to get out. I can tell you the roads are pretty empty around here.

Most of the businesses have shut down and boarded up. A lot of the gas stations are either out of gas or they have somewhat of a line. So those

are signs that people are preparing.

You can just only hope that people along this barrier islands right along this river are taking it seriously because we'll have to move, eventually,

because water will be above my ahead by the time we get to midnight or 2:00 a.m.

WARD: Indeed, please do, move. Thank you very much, Jennifer, from Melbourne, Florida.

While as the southeastern U.S. braces for the storm, Haiti is just beginning to assess the damage. The death toll from the hurricane has now

risen to more than 108 people, but the country south is still mostly out of reach due to a bridge collapse and communications issues. So officials

fear the number of casualties could rise sharply. CNN's Pedram Javaheri has the story.


PEDRAM JAVAHERI, AMS METEOROLOGIST (voice-over): Hurricane Matthew was the strongest storm to hit Haiti in half a century and the devastation is just

now becoming apparent. Many were killed by the falling trees, flying debris, and the swollen rivers.

The disaster has left Haiti facing its worst humanitarian crisis since the devastating earthquake six years ago, you may recall, that killed over

200,000 people and where tens of thousands still lived in makeshift homes and tents.

Entire villages have been flattened. Roads have been swept away by the floods, and there are now reports of a fresh water shortage.

UNIDENTIFIED CALLER: We are estimating upwards of about a million people have been affected mainly through flooding, collapse of houses, complete

destruction, or partial damage, but we're also seeing a lot of crops and livestock damaged by the hurricane.

[15:35:09]JAVAHERI: Internationally it is trickling in, but the hard hit southern region has been cut off from the rest of the country after a

bridge collapse that prevented much needed supplies from getting through.

Now in the town of Jeremy, residents were forced to sleep and cook outside because they're houses were either flooded or destroyed. According to the

U.N., more than 350,000 people need assistance and Sunday's presidential election has been postponed.

Another worry for Haiti is standing water. Aid agencies fear that mosquito-borne diseases and cholera could spread, which has plagued the

country since the earthquake. Communications are still down in many areas so the full impact of the storm remains unclear. Pedram Javaheri, CNN.


WARD: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are gearing up to go head to head again as the second presidential debate fast approaches. Their running

mates laid some ground work a few days ago in their only televised face- off.

Most polls showed Trump's vice presidential pick, Mike Pence, won the match up. But Democrat Tim Kaine told CNN that he accomplished his mission.


TIM KAINE, U.S. DEMOCRATIC VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I was really very interested to see whether Governor Pence would defend his running mate or

not, and again and again he refused to defend Donald Trump. So I think that is what I was hoping to get across in the debate, and I think folks

watching it definitely understood that Governor Pence would not defend his running mate.


WARD: Pence has a different take and here is what he told CNN.


MIKE PENCE, U.S. REPUBLICAN VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Donald Trump's vision to make America great again won the debate. I could not have been

more honored to have been at that table, to be articulating his vision and drawing a contrast with the campaign of Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine that

simply want to continue the policies that have weaken America's place in the world, set areas of the wider Middle East literally spinning apart and

has stifled the American economy in places like here in Pennsylvania.


WARD: Let's return now to the top of ticket and talk more about how Trump and Clinton are preparing for their next showdown on Sunday. We're joined

by CNN senior political reporter, Stephen Collinson. Stephen, how are they preparing and what do they need to achieve here?

STEPHEN COLLINSON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER: Well, Donald Trump in a few hours will be holding a town hall style event in New Hampshire. That

is the format of this second debate on Sunday. It's a much different sort of (inaudible) the first gladiatorial sort of confrontation between Clinton

and Donald Trump in the first debate.

Hillary Clinton has been down off of the campaign trail for a couple days, on the positions of attacks she will use on Sunday night. I think it would

be difficult to overstate how much damage Donald Trump's first debate performance did to his campaign in the swing states, Clarissa, that would

decide this election.

The polls have turned over the last week or so decisively in Hillary Clinton's favor. Bear in mind that many Americans are starting to not just

think about voting, but actually voting. People are requesting absentee ballots. Early voting starts in some states in the next few days.

So there's not really time for Donald Trump to have another bad debate and that's why it's such a confrontation on Sunday night.

WARD: So what is he doing, if anything, to turn it around? What's the logic between having this town hall tonight? Shouldn't he be focused on

prepping for this debate?

COLLINSON: You would have thought that two days before this crucial debate, you know, he would not be holding his first ever town hall debate,

but we understand that Donald Trump has actually watched back some of the tapes of the first debate and he is a little bit more open to criticism

about his performance.

Whether that changes his method of preparation seems to be anybody's guess. There is only two days left, he has been campaigning hard on the campaign

trail. It's not like he is off to a debate camp like many politicians do before these big debates prepare. So it's really up in the air.

The other thing is that Donald Trump doesn't have a lot of experience about town hall debates. He didn't do too many in his primary campaign. Hillary

Clinton did a lot of them and it's a different scenario when you're sort of interacting with an undecided voter rather than just talking to the camera.

Hillary Clinton also did many of these town hall events when she was secretary of state. Almost every foreign trip she would go in sometimes

quite hostile environments in places like Pakistan, for example, and answer difficult questions about U.S. foreign policy.

So I think it's clear that she has the advantage in terms of experience. It looks like Donald Trump is going to try to wing it again. We saw just

over a week ago how badly that turned out for him in the first debate.

WARD: OK, we will all be watching. Thank you, Stephen Collinson.

[15:40:05]And there is a reason we talk so much about the presidential debates. They're not just entertaining to watch, but they can also sway

votes and have a real impact on the election.

CNN's Gary Tuchman talked to some voters who had a change of heart after watching the first round of Trump versus Clinton.


GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Robert Klein is a biker, Army veteran, and a registered Republican. He says he has never before

voted for a Democrat for president. So why is the Nevada resident at a Democratic rally in support of Hillary Clinton? He says the first

presidential debate is the reason.

(on camera): Before you watch the debate, who were you going to vote for?


TUCHMAN: And the debate ended and what do you think?

KLEIN: Totally convinced Hillary Clinton.

TUCHMAN (voice-over): Following the debate, polling indicated a dramatic shift in Nevada, a big swing from Trump to Clinton, one of the biggest

turnarounds in the country and that's because of people like Cline now attending his first ever Democratic rally.

(on camera): Are you disappointed that Donald Trump didn't convince you that he should be president?

KLEIN: Absolutely. I always admired the man.

TUCHMAN (voice-over): The 55-year-old says it wasn't anything Trump said during the debate that changed his mind.

KLEIN: It's the things he didn't say, you know? He never ever said he has a plan or he has some idea of what he is really getting into.

TUCHMAN: Shanis (inaudible) is a Nevadan who says she is an independent.

(on camera): Before this debate, did you know for sure who you were going to vote for, for president?


TUCHMAN: And you know for sure today?


TUCHMAN: And who is that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I will be voting for Hillary.

TUCHMAN (voice-over): She says Clinton answered questions directly. As for Trump --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He kind of -- instead of answering, he kind of skirts around it.

TUCHMAN: Thomas Stark is a registered Democrat, but after Bernie Sanders dropped out, it was Clinton facing Trump.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I wasn't enthusiastic about either one.

TUCHMAN: After the debate, he also decided yes for Clinton, no for Trump.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He reminded me of Richard Nixon and the reason being is that it just looked like he was hiding too much from the get go.

TUCHMAN: Donald Trump's Nevada campaign stops on this day are part of the effort to stop Clinton's momentum in the state.

(on camera): And many Trump supporters here believe the upcoming debates can help do just that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think if Trump talks about the issues then he'll win Nevada. If he goes like the first debate, he'll lose.

MICKEY WATSON, TRUMP SUPPORTER: I have to have faith in humanity and in people, and I think they will realize that she is crooked.

TUCHMAN: But Robert Klein says his decision is final.

(on camera): Is it a weird feeling knowing that for the first time you will not vote Republican for president?

KLEIN: Yes, it is. I feel kind of betrayal.

TUCHMAN: Gary Tuchman, CNN, Henderson, Nevada.


WARD: "The Atlantic" magazine has a long history of remaining neutral in U.S. presidential elections, but it says it must take a stand now to defend

American democracy. "The Atlantic" is backing Hillary Clinton, only the third time in its 160-year history that it has made an endorsement.

The magazine says concerns about Donald Trump compelled the move calling him the most ostentatiously unqualified major party candidate in U.S.


This is THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. Up next, more secrets allegedly stolen from the NSA by a government contractor. Could this be another Edward Snowden

scenario? Stay with us.



WARD: The U.S. National Security Agency is under scrutiny again for how it keeps its classified information classified. This after a contractor with

the company Booz Allen Hamilton was arrested for allegedly stealing top secret intelligence.

Harold Martin III has been charged with theft of government property and the unauthorized removal of classified materials. Pam Brown has all the

latest details for us now from Washington. Pam, what are you hearing?

PAMELA BROWN, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Clarissa, federal authorities are accusing Harold Martin of stealing some of the nation's

most sensitive secrets, some of them classified at the highest levels, and as you pointed out, Martin worked at Booz Allen Hamilton as a contractor to

the National Security Agency and that is the same contractor that employed Edward Snowden.

The FBI believes that Martin stole documents detailing a sophisticated hacking tool that the NSA developed to break into foreign computer systems

and authorities are still trying to determine what Martin's motivation was.

It's still unclear. Sources say the FBI and NSA had been suspicious of him for some time and then after a computer code for a U.S. hacking tool showed

up on the internet recently.

You may recall that the investigation into Martin intensified and that case someone calling themselves the "Shadow Brokers" was offering the tool for

sale online.

The identity of the "Shadow Brokers" has been revealed and Martin was arrested last month in August, but the arrest was only made public

yesterday after the "New York Times" his arrest.

We should mention that his attorney issued a statement that reads in part, "There is no evidence that Harold Martin betrayed his country. What we do

know is that Mr. Martin loves his family and America. He served his nation honorably in the U.S. Navy as a lieutenant and has devoted his entire

career to making America safe."

But no doubt about it, Clarissa, this is yet another major blow to the NSA after the Snowden leaks, and the agency tried to prevent future so-called

"insider threats" after Snowden and of course, they are going back to see what more they can do to prevent future threats -- Clarissa.

WARD: Quite a blow indeed. Thank you, Pam Brown in Washington for us.

The new movie "Snowden" opened today in Hongkong. It reveals that refugees helped Edward Snowden evade authorities in Hongkong back in 2013 after he

leaked classified NSA documents. Now the same asylum seekers hope the movie will help shed like on their plight. Ivan Watson met with them and

has their story.


IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It is Hollywood's take on one of the biggest intelligence leaks in U.S. history.

The new Oliver Stone film "Snowden."

It reveals new details about how the NSA whistle-blower Edward Snowden escaped U.S. authorities. Snowden first went public from this hotel in

Hongkong in May 2013 making his bombshell revelation about NSA surveillance programs in an interview with "The Guardian" newspaper.

EDWARD SNOWDEN, NSA WHISTLEBLOWER: NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone.

WATSON: Around that time, Hongkong-based lawyer, Robert Tebow (ph), was hired to represent the most wanted man in the world.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Snowden was nervous when I met with him.

WATSON: The lawyer hid Snowden in the middle of this crowded city for weeks.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I advised Mr. Snowden to be placed with refugee families in a populated area as this would be the last place that anybody

would look.

WATSON: The film shows for the first time how Tebow (ph) took Snowden to stay with impoverished asylum seekers who are his clients.

Now after staying in the shadows for years -- the real refugees that took turns hiding Snowden are going public. Families like (inaudible) from Sri

Lanka, who gave their bed in a tiny apartment to an American stranger.

(on camera): Where did he sleep?

[15:50:03]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He slept in the corner room.

WATSON (voice-over): Vanessa Rodel (ph) from the Philippines says Tebow (ph) showed up unexpectedly one night at her door with Snowden.

(on camera): Was he afraid?


WATSON: She didn't know who he was until the next day when she spotted Snowden's face on the front page of a Hongkong newspaper.

VANESSA RODEL, REFUGEE: I see the newspaper. It was him.

WATSON: The guy who is living in your house --

RODEL: I said oh my God, the most wanted man in the world is in my house.

WATSON (voice-over): But Rodel continued to shelter and feed Snowden even though as a refugee she barely had enough money to feed herself.

There are at least 14,500 asylum seekers in Hongkong, some of whom joined this recent protests on behalf of Snowden. The Hongkong authorities here

refused to accept any of these refugees. Their children are born here stateless.

(on camera): Does he have a passport? A citizenship?


WATSON: People with the least to give, gave the most to protect a man on the run. To this day, he is grateful.

SNOWDEN: They protected me. They've believed in me, but for that, I might have had a very different ending.

WATSON: Ivan Watson, CNN, Hongkong.


WARD: Coming up, the U.S. vice presidential debate raised a few eyebrows. One eyebrow in particular, we look at Tim Kaine's run away brow, next.


WARD: The countdown is on for the next U.S. presidential debate in just a few days' time. Meanwhile, the vice presidential debate between Tim Kaine

and Mike Pence still has many people raising their eyebrows, literally. Here's Jeanne Moos.


JEANNE MOOS, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): You could say Tim Kaine browbeat his opponent with his eyebrows. The debate was best summed

up by "The Grinch."

From the first word Tim Kaine uttered -- his eyebrows rose to the occasion, his left brow in particular. In the political universe Kaine is famous for

his levitating brow.

The brows first gained a national attention back in 2006 as Kaine gave the Democratic response to the state of the union. The state of his brows was


Though the left brow seemed to work separately. Tim Kaine's eyebrow must have its own Twitter account, clear eyes, full brows, can't lose. By the

time he was nominated for VP, he seemed to have tamed his brows a bit.

They were no longer the furry caterpillars of a decade ago. But even the more buttoned down brows of Tuesday's debate launched gifs and tweets

speculation that came prep for the debate by lifting weights with his eyebrows.

"Can we all be honest and admit that this VP debate is really about eyebrows versus no eyebrows? Fun fact, Mike Pence doesn't have eyebrows,

read another tweet.

(on camera): The Democrats definitely don't think Kaine's eyebrows are low brow.

(voice-over): They flaunt them on t-shirts. King himself Instagramed a pumpkin with an arch brow last Halloween.

He once gave Jon Stuart a button. An eyebrow raising debate maybe a destruction, but how bad can it be being compared to Spoc and the Rock.

Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.


WARD: Now to the world of entertainment where Australian pop super star, Kylie Menoge is taking a stand in support of same sex marriage. The 48-

year-old artist best known around the world for her hit "Can't Get You Out Of My Head" says she is holding off on tying the knot. She and her fiance

(inaudible) says they won't walk down the aisle until Australia's government recognizes same-sex marriage. The conservative government has

proposed holding a public vote on the issue in February next year.

And staying in the world of music, the Rolling Stones are back with their first studio album in more than a decade. Here is a taste.

It is titled "Blue and Lonesome." The band says it takes them back to their roots and their passion for blues music, which has always been at the

heart and soul of the Rolling Stones. It will go on sale on December 2nd.

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