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Trump Defiantly Vows to Stay in Race; Trump Apologizes for Lewd Remarks, Goes on Attack; Team Trump Huddles Amid Campaign Crisis Over Tape; Growing List of GOP Lawmakers Asking Trump to Drop Out; CNN Uncovers Trump's Vile Talk with Howard Stern. Aired 7-8p ET
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[19:00:00] POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: Top of the hour, 7:00 p.m. Eastern. I'm so glad you're with us. I'm Poppy Harlow joining you for a special edition of CNN NEWSROOM coming to you live from the campus of Washington University here in St. Louis. The site of the second presidential debate tomorrow night right here on CNN, 9:00 p.m. Eastern.
And what a debate it will be. These people behind me certainly very excited for the debate as you can see. But we do begin tonight with breaking news.
Donald Trump getting quite the welcome during a surprise appearance outside of Trump Tower just a short time ago. The crowd there cheering, chanting his name. Watching this, you might not think this is a candidate in crisis mode. A man whose exposed video just surfaced where he used stunningly vulgar language and made sexually aggressive remarks describing trying to kiss, grope and have sex with married women, as well as to use his position of celebrity to grab women's genitals.
Trump was considering speaking live tonight. We've learned that he is not going to do that. At the same time, though, he is vowing to stay in this race.
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JEREMY DIAMOND: Are you staying in the race?
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HARLOW: Are you staying in this race? He's response, 100 percent.
Trump also tweeting this, "The media and establishment want me out of the race so badly. I will never drop out of the race. I will never let my supporters down."
This defiance is throwing the Republican Party into chaos. Sources tell CNN, "Those at the top of the party, including House Speaker Paul Ryan, wish Trump would drop out of the race."
Here are some of the key members of the party who has spoken out against Trump thus far. This is a list that continues to grow by the minute.
Trump for his part releasing a video shortly after midnight last night. In it he apologizes and then he attacked the Clintons.
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DONALD TRUMP, U.S. REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I've never said I'm a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone that I'm not. I have said and done things I regret. And the words released today on this more than a decade old video are one of them.
Anyone who knows me knows these words don't reflect who I am. I said it, I was wrong, and I apologize. I have said some foolish things, but there is a big difference between the words and actions of other people.
Bill Clinton has actually abused women and Hillary has bullied, attacked, shamed and intimidated his victims. We will discuss this more in the coming days. See you at the debate on Sunday.
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HARLOW: That debate, Sunday, is just about 24 hours away. Other than his quick appearance, Trump is staying inside of what you see right there Trump Tower. He is preparing for the debate tomorrow. The mood there has been described as DEFCON five.
His campaign source telling CNN, this could be the death now for Trump's presidential run. We will see because nothing has been as expected this entire election.
We're going to play you the tape at the center of this scandal. And that you will hear Donald Trump on a hot mic talking to then "Access Hollywood" host Billy Bush.
And we do want to warn you before we played this, it includes language that is extremely offensive and graphic.
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BILLY BUSH: She used to be great. She's still very beautiful.
DONALD TRUMP, U.S. REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I moved on her, actually. You know, she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her and I failed. I'll admit it.
I did try and (EXPLETIVE DELETED) her. She was married.
BUSH: That's huge news there.
TRUMP: No, no, Nancy. No this was --
And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, 'I'll show you where they have some nice furniture. I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn't get there. And she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she's now got the big phony (EXPLETIVE DELETED) and everything. She's totally changed her look.
BUSH: Sheesh, your girl's hot as (EXPLETIVE DELETED), in the purple
TRUMP: Whoa! Whoa!
BUSH: Yes, the Donald is good.
Oh, my man. Wait, wait. You've got to look at here. You've got to --
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We'll set this up.
TRUMP: Look at you. You are a (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
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Maybe it's a different one.
BUSH: It better not be the publicist. No, it's her. It's --
TRUMP: Yes, that's her. With the gold.
I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her.
You know, I'm automatically attracted to beautiful. I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait.
And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
BUSH: Whatever you want.
TRUMP: Grab 'em by the (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You can do anything.
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[19:05:00] HARLOW: All right, there you have part of that 2005 tape. There you have part of that 2005 tape just released. We've learned that Hillary Clinton will not respond to this tape until the debate tomorrow night.
That is what her camp is saying. That is the first time you will hear from her. Also, her campaign's top lawyer tonight assuring Clinton's team that there is no way, he says, that the Republicans can take Trump off the top of the ticket.
There has been more and more talks today about putting Mike Pence at the top of the ticket. I do want to head to Trump Tower. That's where our national reporter MJ Lee has been. And MJ, before I get to you, I believe that we have video of Rudy Giuliani just moments ago leaving Trump Tower. One of Trump's top surrogates. So you have the former mayor of New York City Rudy Giuliani, who has been a huge surrogate for Donald Trump leaving Trump Tower.
Let's listen in.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Will you show up at the debate tomorrow?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Will he be at the debate tomorrow?
RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: Of course, he will be at the debate.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there anything that can happen now that would convince you he should drop out?
GIULIANI: There is nothing that is going to cause his dropping out. That is a wishful thinking of the Clinton campaign and those people who have opposed him for a long time. He is in the race to win and he is going to.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you make of so many fellow Republicans backing out.
GIULIANI: They largely didn't support him in the first place, so it's not much of a surprise. If you look at it, they were all Republicans who opposed him and didn't support him in the past.
And, it's basically, the insiders against the outsiders, anyway. Donald Trump is the populist candidate. Most of the people that have turned on him are members of the establishment. So I receive this as if you want change in Washington, vote for Donald Trump. If you want to keep things the same, you vote for Hillary Clinton.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you very much, mayor.
GIULIANI: Thank you. Thank you.
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HARLOW: There you have it, the former mayor of New York City Rudy Giuliani. A huge supporter of Donald Trump. A big name surrogate for him saying Trump will not drop out. He is in it to win it. And saying it is wishful thinking on the part of the Clinton camp that Trump would ever drop out.
He said if you want change, you elect Donald Trump. Defiance from the Trump camp tonight is clear.
MJ Lee to you, the reaction from the people. Because that's what Giuliani is saying is we don't care about establishment politicians, we care about the voice and the vote of the people. What are they saying tonight?
MJ LEE, CNN NATIONAL POLITICS CORRESPONDENT: Well, Poppy, what I can tell you is that things have definitely calm down a little bit since the last time we spoke. The big crowd of Trump supporters that were outside of Trump Tower, that crowd is mostly gone now.
There are still some tourists standing outside, taking photos outside of Trump Tower, but really things have really quieted down a good amount. And I wonder if part of this is because Donald Trump himself, as you saw, a little while ago, came out of Trump Tower to personally greet his supporters.
For his supporters, it really doesn't get better than that. The fact that he came out and he wanted to sort of revel in the fact that there were dozens and dozens of supporter camp outside of Trump Tower all day showing their support.
Now, as you know, Trump has been huddling with his closest advisors up in Trump Tower. This is a meeting that has been going really all day, really figuring out how they can move on from this controversy and contain the tremendous fallout that we have seen. The Trump campaign already suffer from Rudy Giuliani, Chris Christie, his campaign manager Kellyanne Conway and even his son, Donald Trump Jr., they were all spotted going inside.
But as you mentioned, Rudy Giuliani has left Trump Tower. We also saw Chris Christie leave the building a little while ago. So some signs that things may be winding down at Trump Tower.
And now, of course, all of the attention is on tomorrow night in St. Louis when Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton will face off for the second time. All of the issues that have been swirling around the Donald Trump campaign for the last 24 hours. Those issues are likely to come up on the debate stage tomorrow. So this is going to be a big night tomorrow. And things are starting to wind down here at Trump Tower.
HARLOW: Yes, a huge night, MJ, because it's also the first time that we will be able to hear from Hillary Clinton. Her camp has made clear on what her response is.
MJ Lee outside Trump Tower. Thank you very much.
HARLOW: Let should take a moment and consider these names. Speaker of the House Paul Ryan; Governor John Kasich, the governor of Ohio, who was one of the last ones in this Republican primary; Arnold Schwarzenegger, former governor of California; Senator John McCain and moments ago Condoleezza Rice.
So they're all big Republican names that are not standing by Trump. They are part of a still growing crowd of established Republicans who are upset and offended by Trump's language and behavior. Some of them saying they will no longer vote for him or support him on Election Day.
My panel is here: David Gergen, Mark Preston, Nia-Malika Henderson. Thank you all for being here.
48 hours ago, I do not think we thought this is what we would be talking about, David Gergen.
Sitting in front of the site of tomorrow night's debate. This is bigger than any one person. This is a moment that you say we haven't seen in modern elections.
[19:10:10] DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Absolutely a remarkable day in American politics. We'll remember this for a long time. Basically, a civil war is starting to break out in the Republican ranks.
You've got an avalanche of top notch Republicans -- Condi Rice, John McCain and others who are saying they can no longer support Trump. They're pulling back and many of them have to withdraw. At the same time, Trump is rallying the people. And, you know, that event that he have outside Trump Tower, that was defiant. They are absolutely defiant.
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HARLOW: Yes, he came out with his hand up.
GERGEN: His fist up, you know. And, basically, what's his -- I mean, he's recasting this as the people versus the elites, and it's a war. And I'm going to fight on. I think he feels his one way out of this is to rally people behind him and force his way through.
HARLOW: Nia, I've been so keen to hear and I don't think we will hear for awhile, perhaps Monday morning on the show, is from Kellyanne Conway. His third campaign manager. A woman.
What will her voice be in this? How does she -- what does she say?
NIA-MALIKA HENDERSON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: You know, we'll have to see. I mean, I think everyone is waiting to see how he does on that debate stage here tomorrow night in that town hall, where we imagine this is going to come up and it's going to be a delicate situation.
And I think everybody is waiting to see -- some established Republicans, what comes out of that. And then we'll see how Kellyanne Conway spins it. As you said, she has been on our air very frequently touting Donald Trump, being you know, sort of the Donald Trump whisperer in some ways, and was very much brought in to massage his image, particularly with women. It hasn't worked, right? It hasn't worked. And it's hard to imagine that she can spin this in a way that makes it go away.
And it's not only with women, right? I mean, if you look at his numbers with our last CNN poll, he is catering support among men just across the board, even with those non-college whites as well.
Hillary Clinton is starting to ease some support among those supporters as well and independents. So it's hard to see what Kellyanne Conway can say to kind of make this better, to make it go away, to explain it.
HARLOW: So she is the one who got him back on script, back on teleprompter.
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HENDERSON: For a while.
HARLOW: For a while. And she was sort of the first 20, 30 minutes of the last debate. Many people thought that was the Kellyanne effect and then the rest a deterioration.
Mark Preston to you, just think about past Republican, past living Republican presidents. You've got four of the five standard bearers who have walked away from this man.
You've got both George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, Mitt Romney and John McCain, candidate for the party walking away. Bob Dole, we haven't heard from yet.
I mean, put this in context for us.
MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR: Well, before we got to it, I think if you just take a quick step back and say why are we here right now.
We're here because of this video that got released and there were some crass words. What we're really here because Donald Trump said that he could sexually assault a woman and get away with it because...
HARLOW: Because of his power.
PRESTON: ...of his power. And I think that -- not that I think -- we all know that that is crass, that is wrong, that is unlawful and if you are a suburban father, if you are any kind of a father, a husband, it doesn't matter. That is inflaming people right now.
When you have all those past presidents or nominees, not backing Donald Trump -- a lot of that came before this, though. We have to acknowledge that they didn't have a personal relationship with him.
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HARLOW: Well, that's Giuliani just said. They didn't like us anyway.
PRESTON: They didn't like us anyway. Although what I will say is that the mayor of New York there, former mayor of New York saying, hey, listen, those who aren't backing us, they were never really there. That's wrong.
There are several of them, a lot of them, that have come out and said that he needs to step down. And there's a lot of them right now that are coming out, who did back him and are withdrawing their endorsement and that is powerful.
GERGEN: There are a lot of people who haven't spoken out, who feel the same way. Do you think they will in the next couple days?
PRESTON: Here is the reason why Democrats are starting to put pressure on them. If you are in a tough race, you are going to face this.
Every host Republican is on the ballot in November. They are going to have to face their constituents, they are going to have to face their opponents on the Democratic side and explain why they are still backing Donald Trump. That is hard. And then, of course, there are senators who are in trouble in some key states.
Not to mention quickly, the man next to Donald Trump on the ticket, Mike Pence refused to go to the event in Wisconsin today, refused to stand next to Paul Ryan.
And according to our Dana Bash, there's reporting on the phone with Trump today, he said, you own this. This is on you. I'm not speaking for you.
HENDERSON: Yes. And the thing is Pence had been speaking for Donald Trump, right? He was -- right, he had been, you know, his conduit to the establishment. Certainly, some evangelicals as well has divulge for his character, called him a good and kind and decent man who likened him to Ronald Reagan.
[19:15:00] So the fact that he is pulling back, I think is significant. But the idea that he would drop out -- I mean, one of the things that's going on is Republicans think -- the Republicans I talked to think there is more to come, right? That there could be something out there that is worse than what we already know and perhaps that will get some others going.
HARLOW: Let me get a break. And, guys, stay with me.
David, Mark, Nia, thank you very much. Stand by. We're just getting started. This is a special edition of CNN NEWSROOM. We are live tonight from Washington University in St. Louis.
Quick break. We're back on the other side.
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HARLOW: Welcome back.
A number of top Republicans tonight calling for the RNC to dump Donald Trump after the surfacing of a 2005 video of Trump making lewd and sexually predatory comments about women.
Take a look at some of the other Republicans tonight disavowing him. They include Senator John McCain of Arizona, John Kasich of Ohio, New York Governor George Pataki and former California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.
That is just a few of the names on that growing list. Pressure is mounting on the RNC also to dump Trump. But with less than 31 days until Election Day, is it possible? Joining me now is Jamie Gangel, a special correspondent.
And, Jamie, I want to dig in to the money, because money and funding is so critical in this election and every election. And you are reporting that some Republican sources are talking about the option of ending something known as the joint funding agreement.
What is that? And what would it look like? What would the implications be?
JAMIE GANGEL, CNN SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT: Right. So this is the legal agreement between the RNC and the campaign to jointly fundraise. And there is so much concern, the word I kept hearing all day was disgusted and frustrated that my Republican sources say one option now under consideration is ending that joint fundraising agreement.
All this victory committees you hear about where a certain percentage of the money they raised goes to Donald Trump and a certain amount goes to the RNC.
[19:20:00] The reason for this is two words, down ballot. This way if they ended it, the RNC could focus its fundraising exclusively on those critical down ballot races and encourage some donors, Poppy, who are no longer writing checks. And after this weekend, maybe even less inclined to write checks.
So it might both give them some leverage with Trump, the RNC, and also might help them financially with down ballot races that they are desperate about.
HARLOW: Also tonight, Jamie, we'll see what happens on that front.
Also tonight, though, just in the last hour, a major development.
We're hearing really for the first time in this race from Condoleezza Rice.
GANGEL: Right. You know, there are some names that you showed up there on the chart that were not a surprise, John McCain. But here's what Condi Rice said.
She said "Donald Trump should not be president. He should withdraw. As a Republican, I hope to support someone who has the dignity and stature to run for the highest office in the greatest democracy on earth."
I can tell you that this was stunning to those of us who know Condi Rice. People have been reaching out to her this entire campaign, and she has said I am not going to get involved. I'm staying out of this. That she would speak out is really a big deal for her to get involved in this.
HARLOW: Yes. And, you know, as you just read that tweet, she begins the tweet with "Enough!," exclamation mark and it goes on to say Donald Trump should not be president.
Again, the first time we have heard from Condoleezza Rice this entire campaign.
Jamie, thank you for the reporting.
GANGEL: Thank you.
HARLOW: We appreciate it. We have much more ahead this hour. Special reporting live here from Washington University in St. Louis. The site of the presidential debate tomorrow night, hosted by our very own Anderson Cooper.
Quick break. We're back on the other side.
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[19:25:45] HARLOW: Welcome back.
Donald Trump insisting tonight he is in this race for good as Rudy Giuliani just said. He is in it to win it. Still the fallout over Trump's lewd and predatory comments about women in a 2005 reporting has led to more and more Republican leaders try to withdraw their support completely from Trump or to distance themselves from him and disavow his comments.
With me now to debate this, CNN political commentator Kayleigh McEnany. She's a Donald Trump supporter and Patti Solis Doyle, she is a Hillary Clinton supporter, formerly ran Clinton 2008 presidential campaign.
Thank you both for being here.
Kayleigh, let me begin with you, because you came out right away last night after this. And you said, yes, I support Donald Trump, but he has to apologize.
Do you feel that we heard any bit of contrition from him in that taped apology last night?
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CNN REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: In the taped apology, yes.
HARLOW: He did.
MCENANY: He said tomorrow I'm going to be a better man. He said that he regrets this moment in his life. He apologizes. I think, however, to convince people who are not supporters, the broader public, I think he needs to have a moment in the town hall where he said from his gut and from his heart what he thinks. And he shows the American people -- like Ted said, show the American people your heart.
HARLOW: Because the thing is that in his statement last night, he didn't once mention any of the women that he not only offended, but talked about sexual assaults.
I mean, he talked about using his power to grab a woman's genitals. I mean, that's just, that's just what it is. And he talk about his own personal journey and how he will be a better man, but he didn't talk about the women.
MCENANY: I don't think he needs to name every woman in America for his apology, but he apologized for the statement.
HARLOW: I mean, he didn't address them at all.
MCENANY: He apologized for the statement. He took it back. He said I'm going to be a better man tomorrow. For me, two apologies is good enough. He did make the statement as well. The written statement. But for some other people, they may need three, four, five, six apologies. That's why I think tomorrow night in this town hall is the moment to connect and to apologize from his gut.
HARLOW: So, Patti, let's say that that happens -- what Kayleigh suggesting happens, I would bet that that would his campaign is telling him to do right now. To know if that that's what he'll do, we'll see, right? He is his own man.
If he does that, you know, Hillary Clinton's mind inside and out, you ran her campaign eight years ago. How does she respond?
PATTI SOLIS DOYLE, FORMER HILLARY CLINTON PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN MANAGER: I think if he does that tomorrow night, I think it's a little to late -- too little too late, frankly.
I mean, his first apology referenced, you know, locker room banter, which to me translates into boys will be boys, which is completely unacceptable. We're talking about sexual assault here.
And then the second apology, he looked like he was being held hostage and he was forced to say those words, you know, say that he was sorry. He was very defiant. And then he brought in attacking his opponent again. Attacking Hillary and her husband.
So I think even if he is remorseful and more contrite tomorrow night, I do think it's a little too late.
HARLOW: Kayleigh, Donald Trump has put out a few tweets. One of them saying, "It's been an interesting 24 hours."
The other one, I don't know guys in the control if we can pull it up, but he said -- he pointed his finger at us, the media and the establishment. And he said, "The media and the establishment want me out of this race. I will never get out."
You know, he is blaming the media. Michelle Baquine (ph) came on CNN earlier and said the media was somehow complicit in these tapes coming out.
Why is he blaming the media? I mean, these are -- no one can argue with the fact that these are his words.
MCENANY: Well, look, the media hasn't ask for Hillary Clinton to withdraw herself from the race when her -- his own FBI director for Obama called her extremely careless.
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HARLOW: So let me just stop you there. The media or at least CNN has never called on Donald Trump to pull out of the race. These are his fellow Republicans.
MCENANY: But it's being reported on several media outlets. Should he withdraw from the race?
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HARLOW: No, we're all confronting what his fellow Republicans are saying.
MCENANY: But the nice thing is it's not up to the media, it's up to the American people. And I think it is really frustrating --
HARLOW: So why are you blaming the media, Kayleigh?
MCENANY: Because I think it's very frustrating all along the way. This is -- let me just back up and say this is a legitimate thing that needed to be discussed. His comments were inexcusable. I want to make that very clear. So it's legitimate to cover this.
However, I think this frustration comes in the fact that every step of the way, it's been Donald Trump is not going to get to 1237. Or if he does, we're going to change the rules. It's been a backlash from the media, but also from the Republican establishment as much as the media.
So I think that's his frustration. That being said, again, he apologized twice. I think tomorrow he needs to take that moment to do it a third time. I think for a lot of American voters that will hit home.
HARLOW: What will we hear from Hillary Clinton tomorrow night? Because her campaign has made it clear tonight she is not going to say a word about this until she takes the debate stage here tomorrow night.
What is she saying to the American people?
PATTI SOLIS DOYLE, FORMER HILLARY CLINTON PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN MANAGER: Well, I don't think she needs to say anything until tomorrow night, frankly.
This story is taking on a life of its own. But I think tomorrow night, she needs to condemn Donald Trump. She needs to stand up for the women of this country. She needs to stand up for Nancy O'Donnell who has yet to receive an apology from Donald Trump. I think she's going to speak for women of the United States and condemn him.
HARLOW: And if Donald Trump brings up Bill Clinton's indiscretions? What does she do?
DOYLE: Bill Clinton is not on the ballot. This is not about Bill Clinton. This is about Donald Trump and his actions. HARLOW: Guys, thank you very much.
I got to get a break in. Kayleigh, Patti, we appreciate it.
Up next, live from St. Louis on this special edition of CNN NEWSROOM. Donald Trump spending the day with his top advisers preparing for the debate here tomorrow night.
Moments ago, we just heard for the first time since this scandal broke from former New York City mayor and a huge surrogate for Donald Trump Rudy Giuliani. He says Trump is in it to win it. You'll hear from him next. Stay with us.
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HARLOW: Welcome back. We're live tonight here in St. Louis. Just 24 hours away from Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton facing off, head-to- head, in this second presidential debate, moderated by our very own Anderson Cooper.
Right now the story, though, very much playing out at Trump Tower in New York. Take a look.
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HARLOW: That was the scene just a short time ago outside of Trump Tower, where Donald Trump emerged and made a surprise appearance tonight. The crowd there chanting, cheering for him despite the release of a video from 2005, which exposes him, making incredibly vulgar and sexually aggressive comments about women, at one point talking about grabbing a woman's genitals.
There is now growing pressure for him and from the G.O.P. to dump Trump, but the Trump campaign is anything, if not defiant.
Rudy Giuliani who has spent the day with Trump there spoke to reporters just moments ago as he left Trump Tower.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Will he stay in the race?
RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: Of course. Of course, he should. He's going to win.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Will you show up at the debate tomorrow? Will he be at the debate tomorrow?
GIULIANI: Of course, he will be at the debate.
[19:35:25] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there anything that can happen now that would convince you he should drop out? GIULIANI: There is nothing that is going to cause his dropping out. That is a wishful thinking of the Clinton campaign and those people who have opposed him for a long time. He is in the race to win and he is going to.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you make of so many fellow Republicans backing out.
GIULIANI: They largely didn't support him in the first place, so it's not much of a surprise. If you look at it, they were all Republicans who opposed him and didn't support him in the past.
And, it's basically, the insiders against the outsiders, anyway. Donald Trump is the populist candidate. Most of the people that have turned on him are members of the establishment. So I receive this as if you want change in Washington, vote for Donald Trump. If you want to keep things the same, you vote for Hillary Clinton.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you very much, mayor.
GIULIANI: Thank you. Thank you.
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HARLOW: There you have it, Rudy Giuliani saying Trump is in it to win it. If you want change, you vote Trump. Trump says he is vowing to stay in the race. You saw him tweeting earlier today about that.
With me now: David Gergen, Nia-Malika Henderson and presidential historian Douglas Brinkley.
Thank you all for being here.
Douglas, to you. Take me back to the election of 1912, an election that's --
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DOUGLAS BRINKLEY, CNN PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN: Well, back in 1912, Theodore Roosevelt were in Bull Moose Party, just split the Republican Party in two. Punished William Howard Taft with conservatives really of that (INAUDIBLE). TR did not win. He came in second and allow Woodrow Wilson, who wasn't all that popular to win. If you had combined the forces of Taft with Theodore Roosevelt, you know, they could have won, but they split the party.
HARLOW: And this is reflective of that in your mind.
BRINKLEY: Very much so in 1912. But, really, to me, this rungs my George Wallace bell of 1968. I mean, the states that Donald Trump is going to win this election are the south, and that's always been that Wallace vote. It doesn't really go away. It appeared again in 1972 with Wallace.
Donald Trump has been running a third party movement. He is a movement politician. He's not a Republican. HARLOW: Right. I think you just heard Rudy Giuliani saying exactly that, David Gergen. I mean, he said this is the insiders versus the outsiders and you call this unprecedented?
DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: It is unprecedented. I think the 1912 with more personalities. You know, Teddy Roosevelt was very, very happy with that split.
But in this case, I really do think that what we saw today in streets of New York was Trump mobilizing the grassroots and turning him against the elites. And he's so clearly -- he's been tweeting about this, that he wants to go after the establishment, the Republican Party and he wants to go after the media. And he is lumping them together as the elite have taken this country down.
HARLOW: But Nia, that works for the voters that already loved him. What that doesn't do is get the undecideds, the new voters on board that he needs to win, to push him over the top.
NIA-MALIKA HENDERSON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: That's right. And that's always been his problem, right? If you look back to the G.O.P. autopsy, right, part of that, the G.O.P. and that stood for growth and opportunity project.
Trump isn't in any way a growth and opportunity project for this Republican Party to expand the core group of people that they are already getting.
And you see him doing poorly with voters that Republicans ordinarily get. Like voters over 65. Hillary Clinton is very competitive with voters over 65.
And you imagine that would began in those minutes after that debate, when most people saw that he lost that debate, and you see that showing up in the polls, some of his support are really starting to falter and this will just continue that.
HARLOW: David Gergen, can Mike Pence save Donald Trump?
GERGEN: You mean, say, Donald Trump is the top of the ticket?
HARLOW: Yes. No, can he save Donald Trump? I mean, the likelihood of Mike Pence getting on the top of the ticket is pretty nil at this point in time.
GERGEN: It's small.
HARLOW: Right. But can he save Trump and somehow help Trump pull through on this?
GERGEN: I don't think so. I think only Donald Trump can do that. And that's why so much hinges on this debate. The second debate has now become as important as the first debate. And it's going to have a huge audience, I think.
But let me just say it. A lot of Republicans feel that's tough. That if Donald Trump remains on the top of the ticket, he's going to take himself down and he's going to take a lot of other people down, that they will lose the House. As they lose the Senate, they might lose the House.
And they think the honorable thing to do, and I happen to agree with this, the honorable thing to do is for him to withdraw. And that is the one way he can save his party.
Does he not feel he owes anything to the Republican Party?
HARLOW: No.
GERGEN: He doesn't.
HARLOW: He clearly said that he is not going to pull out.
Douglas Brinkley, final thought.
A lesson from history tonight, what is it?
[19:40:00] BRINKLEY: That we remember in 1972, we had Watergate. It was all on the news. Walter Cronkite did a whole big deal about Watergate right before the election. It didn't hurt Nixon, but there were no tapes yet. There wasn't this evidence.
Trump has disgraced himself. You see the party fleeing in groves right now. They were getting ever closer to having the historic first women as president. Women first got the right to vote in 1920. It's been a long separatist movement. This is a gift. This tape that we have been watching over and over again, because it shows Donald Trump as a sexual predator.
We're on a campus, Washington University in St. Louis, where they are teaching men in dormitories and athletic teams not to act like Donald Trump did. And this is not 1992 with Bill Clinton anymore. This is an era of women and equality, and so Trump is flunking out, but in the end, Trump's brand is not going to be tarnished, it's the G.O.P. and Republicans. The joint forces.
They are carrying the taint of Trump with them for the rest of their lives.
HARLOW: So many leaning G.O.P. members pulling as far away from him as they can tonight.
Thank you all. Douglas, Nia, David, we appreciate it.
Much more after this live from Washington University, the site of the debate tomorrow night, just about 24 hours away.
A quick break. We're back on the other side.
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HARLOW: Welcome back. Donald Trump caught on a hot mic making vulgar comments about kissing, groping, and trying to have sex with married women. As predacious as his comments were, it is not the first time that Trump has talked about women in a way that has raise more than some eyebrows.
[19:45:12] In fact, CNN dug through old audio clips of Trump's 17-year tenure on Howard Stern's radio show and our team found that he was once out of bash and brazen about his sexually explicit and derogatory words in live radio broadcast.
Trump comments on having sex with women on their menstrual cycles, to talk with threesomes with only thin women.
Here's part of what he said about the apparent perks of running beauty pageant.
This is in a recording from April of 2005.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
HOWARD STERN, RADIO HOST: You own this pageant. You go over, you look -- You are meeting the girls. One of them comes up to you and says Mr. Trump, you're very sexy, man.
DONALD TRUMP, U.S. REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: You're a beautiful man. You have fantastic hair.
STERN: You're a powerful man, right? Right? You're a powerful man?
TRUMP: Right.
STERN: I want to sleep with you. And you're not the type that would say no.
TRUMP: I don't want to hurt their feelings.
STERN: Right. No, I mean, you see a beautiful woman, you want to, you want to have that.
TRUMP: Right.
STERN: You're a guy who likes to have everything.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, couldn't that be construed, however, as a...
STERN: Conflict?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
STERN: I don't. I don't see that as a conflict.
TRUMP: It could be a conflict of interest, but you know, it's a kind of thing you worry about later.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, I see. (LAUGHTER)
TRUMP: You come to think about the conflict a little bit later on.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How could it not be construed?
STERN: No, I mean, some of these foreign girls, you know, Mr. Trump, in my country, we say hello with our vagina.
TRUMP: Well, you could also say as the owner of the pageant, it's your obligation to do that.
STERN: So you have done that.
TRUMP: I will tell you, the funniest is that I will go backstage before a show.
STERN: Yes.
TRUMP: And everyone is getting dressed and ready, and everything else. And you know, no man are anywhere and I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant. And therefore, I'm inspecting it.
You know, I'm inspecting. I want to make sure everything is good.
(CROSSTALK)
STERN: You're like a doctor.
TRUMP: Is everyone, OK? You know, they are standing there with no -- is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HARLOW: CNN reached out to the Trump camp and did not get any comment. But earlier this week, Trump was asked about his lewd comments on Stern and told a Las Vegas news station, the station KSNV that, quote, "A lot of that was done for the purpose of entertainment. There's nobody that has more respect for women than I do."
My new colleague here at CNN Andrew Kaczynski is with me. He broke this story.
Andrew, welcome to CNN. 31 days out from quite an election. In these interviews, you hear more and more of Donald Trump. And in one of these interviews with Howard Stern, he is talking about his own daughter, Ivanka Trump, and her appearance. What did you find?
ANDREW KACZYNSKI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: So these interviews represent about 17 years worth of sort of crude, public sex talk that Donald Trump had with Howard Stern over a period from 1993 to 2010.
In these talks you see him sort of making a lot of comments that were very much in line with that, you know, bombshell 2005 clip that we saw on Friday evening.
He talks about women's appearances. You know, says all sorts of really gross things. And on numerous occasions talked about even his own daughter's appearance. He talked about her saying she had, you know -- if she had breast implants and said she was always been kind of voluptuous.
I think we actually have a clip of one of those.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
STERN: By the way, you daughter.
TRUMP: She's beautiful.
STERN: Can I say this? A piece of ass.
TRUMP: Yes.
For the last couple of years I go out with somebody and she's like 21. And she's talking about, you know, what are you doing? She's studying algebra.
(LAUGHTER)
STERN: So what?
TRUMP: Howard, it's like, it was always embarrassing for me to walk and it's too young. 30 is like a perfect age.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I thought she's 35.
(LAUGHTER)
STERN: Too much life experience.
TRUMP: What is it at 35, Howard? It's called "check-out time."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HARLOW: So, Andrew, he is speaking about his daughter. He, actually, in one of the clips gave Howard Stern, seemingly, permission to use that derogatory language about his own daughter, is that right?
KACZYNSKI: Yes, that's right.
Howard Stern, basically, asked permission if he can call, you know, his daughter a piece of ass and he says yes.
But besides that clip, there is all sorts of other stuff, there is this really gross, nasty conversation about Tiger Woods, which I don't even think we can mention on air.
There is him talking about Paula Jones, who Bill Clinton famously who, you know, accuse Bill Clinton of sexual harassment. And he said, she should have run faster from Bill. In the context of a celebrity boxing match.
There are clips where he talks about -- Stern talks about Trump's -- saying that he was shocked that Trump was face full. So there's really just all sorts of these comments, which, you know, when you look at them in the context of the 2005 clip, you'll find that he is making these public comments that are very much the same as his private comments.
[19:50:00] HARLOW: Andrew, you're an investigative reporter. You've been doing a lot of digging throughout this election cycle.
What has surprised you most from a journalistic stand point in terms of what you found in these tapes? That 17 years' worth, as you said.
KACZYNSKI: You know, what's very shocking that I found was sort of that Donald Trump talked about women in this way for just -- I mean, going back two decades.
So we see Donald Trump, you know, talking the same about women in the 1990s, where he says crude things up until the latest clips in our article were 2010.
And it's interesting to a lot of people because Trump has blamed these comments saying that he was just doing entertainment, but a lot of Trump's comments came, you know, before "The Apprentice," which he has very publicly said, you know, these comments were a part of his persona.
So this playboy persona that he was blaming for these comments, he had way back in the '90s.
HARLOW: Andrew Kaczynski with the "K File," welcome to CNN. Thank you for the reporting. Just point folks to CNNPolitics.com and CNN.com. You can see much more of Andrew's reporting there. Thank you so much.
All right, coming up, I do have some tragic news tonight out of Palm Springs, California. We have just learned that two police officers there have been shot -- two of them who had been shot have died. Three officers shot in total, two dead. Details ahead.
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HARLOW: Breaking news tonight out of Palm Springs, California. That is where three police officers were shot today. And we have just learned that two of those officers have died from the injuries they sustained in that shooting.
Not many details are in yet, but we are told the police were responding to a domestic disturbance in the Palm Springs area. That's when the gunfire broke out. We will, of course, update you when we know more.
Again, two police officers have been shot and killed today in Palm Springs, California. Third officer wounded. Details as soon as they come in to CNN. Thank you for being with us tonight for a special live edition of CNN NEWSROOM from Washington University here in St. Louis.
My thanks to the university for having us.
Up next on CNN, my colleague, Wolf Blitzer, picks up our special live coverage right ahead of the second presidential debate here tomorrow night.
I'm Poppy Harlow. Have a good night.
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WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Happening now, breaking news. Complete chaos.
In a show of defiance, Donald Trump greets supporters while the Republican Party goes into meltdown over his stunningly vulgar and sexually aggressive remarks as G.O.P. lawmakers --
